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General Discussion / Re: What is the heart center like?
« on: October 28, 2008, 10:09:29 AM »
Dear kde,

Heart Centre, has been prescribed by Bhagavan Ramana, so the
sake of seekers, even though the Self or the Heart is all pervading.
This Heart Centre is within the chest of a person, two digits right
to the midchest.  It is described in 'sastras' as in the form of
inverted lotus, with six colours.  Kindly see the Reality in Forty
Verses of Bhagavan and the Supplement. 

The Self is not an emptiness.  It is Existence-Knowledge-Bliss.  Buddhists
called it Sunya or emptiness, or Void.

Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: imprtance of Sat sangha
« on: October 28, 2008, 10:04:20 AM »
Dear ushanpri,

I have mentioned, what Bhagavan Ramana said about Sat-Sangh
on some occasions.  But sat-sangh can also mean what you are
saying, that is, the meeting of  people, who are eager to realize
the Self, by removing the non-self.

Arunachala Siva.

Your kind post.  The instructions have been noted for strict
adherence.  I was myself feeling that my posts are more than
50% of all the rest and that I should reduce my number of posts.
Hence, I consider this as Bhagavan's advices to me. 

Thank you,

R. Subramanian   

Dear Ramanaduli,

I appreciate your new insight.  It is really good.  Tiruchuzhi draws
its name from a story.  When there was pralayam, the great floods,
all places were immersed and it came to Tiruchuzhi also.  Siva
wanted to give protection to people, so He made a chuzhi or a
hole, in that place and and all the waters got into that hole and
people in and around were saved from the deluge.  This is called
Avartha Puri in Sanskrit.  Siva is called Avartha Purisvarar or
Tirumeni Nathar.

Arunachala Siva.   

The next of the twin compositions is Kovil Tirup Padigam,
Decad on Kovil, Chidambaram, (the younger one!).This was
also composed in Chidambram.

Verse 7:-

You graced me today, like the Sun
 which drives the darkness, and rises on the Eastern Sky
I thought about your effulgence, without any thoughts!
I know now, only you alone are!
Approaching, approaching, like an atom I dwindled
And United with you, the King of Tirup Perundurai!
You are the Only One, One without a second! Where am I?
  I am in You!  Who can understand you and still stand away from you?

Verse 10:-

O, you have given you to me and then taken me from me!
   Who is wiser than the two?
I got the limitless Bliss, what have you got from me, this lowly dog!
You have taken my Heart as your Temple, O my Master,
   the King of Tirup-Perundurai!
O my father, you have occupied my body as your abode,
     what gratitude  can I give to you?

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Dr. Raju,

Thanks for your post.  Annamacharya's songs, a few of them,
I have heard in M.S. Subbalakshmi's melodious, matchess voice.
Some old audio cassttes are still with me.  Any nayaki nayaka
bhava, which ends in union with godhead, must be Advaita,
because, there is no two in union of a man and a woman.  In
fact some of Nammazhwar's songs, in nayaki nayaka bhava,
in Tiru Voi Muzhi (The Great songs) are pure Advaita, even though
he again, belongs to Sri Vaishanvism.  Bhagavan Ramana used to
say that Nammazhwar is an Advaitin!

You should read to believe such sentiments in Manikkavachagar's
another great composition of 400 verses called, Tiru Chitrambala
Kovaiyar, entirely on Thillai, Chidambram, Nataraja. Vatsayana's
Kama Sutra and Arabian Nights should hang their heads in shame!

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear Ramanaduli,

Thanks for enjoying the post.  I should check up with Sri
Sankara Vijayam, which tells about the parrot speaking the

Arunachala Siva.

The Saint then moves to Thillai, Chidambaram, the Goal.  Here,
he sings two songs, the first is called Kovil Mootha Tirup-Padigam,
the Elder Decad on Kovil.  This is easily one of the best pieces of
entire Tiruvachakam.

The Siva Sakti Concorporateness:

Verse 1:-

You keep your wife within you.  Your are within your wife!
But both of you are within me*!
O you bless me to be within the company of your ardent devotees!
O Lord of Golden Court,**  Please you fulfil my union with you,
   the primordial and endless!

(* Both are within me, Brahman and maya!
** Chidambaram, is called Ponnambalam in Tamil, the Golden
      Court, because the sanctum sanctorum is roofed with golden
      tiles, by King Anabhaya Kulothungan in 3rd Century A.D.)

Verse 5:

O King, the Lord of the Golden Court, I always seek Your Grace!
I am waiting like a stark waiting at the bank of the river to
   pick a fish to pick you!
You had come and shown your effulgent form to all devotees,
But to me, you are silent like the butter in the set curds and milk!*

(* Look at the imagery.  Brahman is a silent Witness, like the
 butter inside the setting curds.  He reveals only when He chooses
 to reveal to you!)

No doubt Bhagavan used to shed profuse tears whenever
Tiruvachakam was sung in melodious music, with all words
properly pronounced!

Arunachala Siva.

After the Decad of Cuckoo, Kuil Pathu, we have to presume
that Manikkavachagar's union with Siva is complete.  He is from
20th compsition, sings about her husband, Siva.  Tirup Palli Ezhuchi,
is the Decad of Waking up Siva, in the early morning.  This is
also sung in houses and temples during Margazhi month, Dec-Jan.
Muruganar has also sung such poems on Bhagavan Ramana.  This
has been composed in Tirup Perundurai.  Now this, waking up,
what is this waking up?  Is Siva sleeping to wake Him up?  No, it
is only Jivas, we are sleeping and Siva is waking us upto the Self!

Verse 1:-

Glory to you, the first principle of my life!
The day is breaking.  I am seeing you two flowers like feet,
  with my flower like eyes!
We adore you, you may please show your face which is like lotus!
We shall pray to your feet, with a smile on our faces!
This is the town, where the lotuses bloom from out of the muddy ponds,
 as if greeting you from the cold paddy fields!
O the King of Tirup-Perunthurai! O Siva!
O you are having a flag of the Bull, you are having us!
O my Master, please wake up and bless us!

Verse 3:-

The cuckoos are cooing, the cocks are croacking!
The starks are singing and the conch shells are blowing!
The stars are fading and the Sun is rising!
This is the time when we are quite happy!
O god of gods, please show us your anklet wearing feet!
O the King of Tirup-Perunthurai! O Siva!
You are not known by gods, but you are so easy to us!
O my Master, please wake up and bless us!

(Here the allegory is metaphysical.  Very few authors have mentioned
this.  The cuckoo is totally black in colour like our ignorance and tamas.  The cocks are black and red in colour.  There is an improvement
towards tamas-rajas combination.  Then, there are starks, red
and white, rajas-sattva combination.  Then there are conch shells,
totally white, pure sattva.  Then the stars fade, and there is effulgence of the Self, total illumination of the Sun!)

Arunachala Siva.           

The next composition is Tirut-Dasangam, that is Ten Characteristics
of Siva.  I have already posted you one such composition, by
one K.V. Ramachandra Iyer, in 1930s on Bhagavan Ramana.
The ten characteristics are usually those that are attributed to
a king, like his name, his town, his country, his river, his mountain,
his weapon, his army etc.,  Muruganar has also composed one such
Tirut-Dasangam, on Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.

I shall give the summing up of the entire composition, since
I cannot leave one characteristic and take up another.

1. Siva's name - He is the Red, he is not seen by the god who
    sits on white, (Brahma, on lotus), or by the god who lies
    on Milky Ocean, He is the god of gods.
2. His country is Pandya kingdom.
3. His town, Uttara Kosa Mangai.
4. His river, the river of Bliss.
5. His mountain, the mountain of Liberation.
6. His animal to travel.  It is the horse called the  Space.
7. His weapon.  The trident that dries up the three karmas
    and three defects, namely, ego, karma and maya.
8. His war drum. The drum of Pranava.
9. His garland.  The garland of konrai flowers.
10.His flag.  The flag of Nandi, the Bull.

Arunachala Siva.

The next one was composed in Chidambaram, Thillai and it
is called Kuil Pathu, A Decad on the Cuckoo, the messenger to Siva.
The maiden, that is Manikkavachagar sends the cuckoo, to go to
Siva and tell him about her pangs of love.

Verse 5 is like this:

O the beautiful and happy Cuckoo, Please make a song or whistle
to Siva.
He is like the Sun shining from the Space and removing the
 darkness of desires in duties.
He is not known to the three, he is the beginning, the middle
  and the end.
He is having a feet red like chintoor, please whistle and call my

Verse 10 is like this:

O Cuckoo, who whistles in the garden with humming bees and
   beat, please listen,
He came as a Brahmin and showed his handsome feet
And then told everyone, "He is my man," and took charge of me!
He is Siva, with a form of red hot effulgence, he is the god of gods,
   please call Him, my Master!

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear srkudai,

Yes. I now remember the story.  But this is perhaps only to highlight
his Cosmic Consciousness, that he "feels" all the living beings within
him.  Perhaps the fish eating is causing some trouble, yes.

Arunachala Siva.

Vishnu while doing pooja with lotus flowers, found one lotus short,
and he plucked his eye which is kamala netra, pundarika aksha, and
he finished his pooja.  Siva did not ask for his eye.  Vishnu offered
his in liue of one lotus.  Siva commended his bhakti and gave him
the Chakra.  This is the story.  This comes also in Tiruvachakam.
Siva in that temple, is called Netra Arpana Isvarar.  On another
occasion, Siva had a curse, because he killed several fellows in
Daksha Yagna.  So Siva was asked to do penance to Vishnu and
he did and it was in a Vishnu temple and Vishnu in that temple
is called Hara Sabha Vimochakar.  Both the temples are in
Thanjavur District, in Tamil Nadu.

Kannappa's case was different.  Siva 'acted' as if He has got
bleeding eyes to test Kannappa.  Kannappa's bhakti became well
known through his sacrfice of both the eyes. Manikkavachagar
is never tired of praising Hunter Kannappa.

There is a Ninda Stuti about Siva's three eyes.  I think I have
written about this already.  One saint poet asks Siva:  What is
great about you?  You have got 3 eyes of which one and a half
eyes belong to my Mother Unnamulai.  The rest is only one a half
eyes.  Even in that, one eye has been given by Kannappa.  You have
in reality only one half of an eye which you can call as your own!
I think this is from Guhai Namasivaya of Tiruvannamalai! 

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Great Brahma Jnanis were quite humourous.  The only difference
is that they were not digging at anyone else but to them only.
Once Sankara went to Kasi to meet Mandana Misra, an authority
on Vedic Karmas.  He was so great that even parrots at his doorstep
used to chant Vedic mantras.  He did not like Sannyasis, who leave
all karmas and do self enquiry.  So the door was purposely closed
when Sankara was coming.  Sankara, who is fully tonsured,
mottai in Tamil, used his powers and the coconut tree in front of the
house bent down and he climbed and alighted inside the house of
Manadana Misra.  The karma yogi became surprised and asked
Sankara,  "Wherefrom this tonsure head comes?  Mottai Enkiruntu

Sankara cooly replied:  "The tonsure head comes from the tree
of Anna, food."  

Food causes growth, all growth including the hairs.  Even if you
tonsure your  head, the hairs will grow only to be cut again.
But here, the tonsure head came from the Tree, meaning the
Coconut tree,  with the help of which Sankara descended into
Mandana Misra's house!

Arunachala Siva.  

Dear srkudai,  Your post.  Sometimes, yes, the overzealous devotees
interpose a lot of stories about their Gurus.  But the fact remains,
that Sri RK abhorred money as Bhagavan Ramana did.  About the
man walking on the water, I posted it soemetime back.  Someone
used all his raja yoga fruits just to learn how to walk on water.
Sri RK quipped:  " O, he wasted ten years of his sadhana for
one pica.  (the old pica, 1/192 of a Rupee).  Because the boat
man can ferry anyone across Ganga for that money.  Why learn
walking on the water?

Arunachala Siva.