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General Discussion / Re: Difficulties
« on: October 21, 2008, 11:01:15 AM »
Dear laith,  You are in your student life.  Attend to the work
of reading well and passing the exams.  If you place full
faith in Bhagavan Ramana, He is sure to help you.  Whenever
you are free during holidays, please read books on Bhagavan and
books by Him.  You will understand His philosphy, which will go
a long way in your worldly life and also in your pursuit of Truth.
If you can afford to spend some money, please visit Tiruvannamalai.
That will be an added strength to you.

Stay with Ramana.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Guru Ramana Vachana Mala
« on: October 21, 2008, 10:57:14 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Mr. Graham Boyd, is the Administrator of this Forum. There are
copyright laws and there are his instructions.  I have to abide by
them, once I know my mistakes.  I am not in a position to continue
any full text or a large of part of any of Sri  Ramansramam publications.
Please read the book if available or get it from Sri Ramansramam.

Arunachala Siva.

Arunachala / Re: Meditation on Mt. Arunachala
« on: October 20, 2008, 08:09:37 PM »
Welcome, S. Subramanian.

Yes.  Arunachala is the mountain which is Siva Himself.  It is
primordial.  Several poets and Bhagavan Ramana have sung
Its glory.  Geologists have concluded that the Hills is as old
as the earth.   It is prayed as a Great Medicine, a Great Waterfall
of Bliss.  If you meditate on the Hills, it will root out your ego,
says the first verse of Aksharamanamalai.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Bhagavan ramana and Ramalinga adigalar
« on: October 20, 2008, 05:55:58 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  All  roads lead to Tiruvannamalai!  In qualified
non dualism, (Sri Ramanuja( Sri Vaishanvism)) they say that
the devotees would be in Vaikunta and seeing and being in the
presence of Vishnu, they will spend quita a lot of time and
eventually go to Moksha.  Saiva Siddanta is also a qualified
non dualism, here it is Siva and Kailasa.  Dualsim of Madhva says
that hari-bhaktas will always remain in the presence of Narayana.
It is like someone always tasting sugar candy, some one else
tasting sugar candy for a long time and then becoming sugar candy
at last, and someone being sugar candy right in this world!

Sankara says in Advaita, that there is no Siva, Vishnu business.
You are Brahman, You are Siva and you are Vishnu, because
there is none outside the Self.

Arunachala Siva.

One day, Annamalai Swami asked Bhagavan, "How to do Bhakti,
while in worldly duties?"

Bhagavan Ramana did not reply anything.  Within ten minutes,
some young girls came to Bhagavan and started dancing 'Kummi',
singing the song:  " We shall churn the curds, without forgetting
Krishna, We shall churn the curds, without forgetting Krishna.."

Bhagavan after the dance, looked at Annamalai Swami and said:
"Oh!  The answer for your question lies in this song.  This is called
Karma Yoga."

(Source:  Sri Ramana Reminscences - Tamil - Annamalai Swami.)

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Tirut Dasangam
« on: October 20, 2008, 02:43:57 PM »
Tirut Dasangam means Ten Characteristics of God or Guru.
These ten are usually sung in poems of devotion.  Saint
Manikkavachagar speaks of these ten characteristics of
Siva, in Tiruvachakam.  Muruganar must also have sung like this.

One day, when Annamalai Swami was strolling on the Hills,
he found a paper, with Bhagavan Ramana's photograph and
ten verses called Sri Ramana Rishi Tirut Dasangam.  This was
composed by one K.V.Ramachandra Iyer.  These ten verses are
in the form of a girl asking the parrot, what are the ten characteristics
of Bhagavan Ramana and the parrot or the girl herself, replying to
this by describing each characteristic.  These are usually as applicable
to kings, their names,  their country, their town, their river, their mountain, their weapon, their war-drum, their defence forces etc., etc.,

The composition of Ramachandra Iyer says:

1. What is the name of this Arunagiri Guru?
     - Whatever name we  use to call Him, with,  is His name !

2. What is the country of Guru of Arunagiri?
     -  What could be His country?  There is no country for Him,
         excepting His country of Grace!

3. What is the town of the king of Tiruchuzhi, Bhagavan Ramana?
     - Oh!  His town is the Heart of all the gods of heaven and the
        people on the earth!

4. What is the river of this Arunagiri Guru?
     -  It is the river of Bliss!

5.  O green parrot!  What is the mountain of this Arunagiri Guru?
      - His mountain, is the Hill of Upasantam!

6. What is the horse of this king of Arunagiri?
      - The horse of Pure Space!

7. What is the weapon of this Sadguru, who takes away the lives
      of others?
      - It is the weapon of Jnana, which kills the karmas!

8.  O beautiful parrot!  What is the war-drum of this Arunagiri Guru?   
      - It is the drum of great liberation, which will dry up the
         the body and the mind of devotees!

9.  O parrot which speaks nice words!  What is the garland
      of this Arunagiri Guru?
      - It is all the garland of poems of the devotees!

10. O parrot of sweet  harmless words!  What is the flag of this
        Arunagiri Guru?
       - It is the flag of Silence!

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Brahman and Para brahman
« on: October 20, 2008, 02:21:11 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Brahman is one without a second.  To call It, as Para Brahman,
is in our own eagerness to highlight Its position,  like calling
a Judge as Honourable or Most Honourable, or calling Siva,
as Parama Siva, or Vishnu as Maha Vishnu.

But regarding Gurus, there are said to be seven stages, according
to their knowledge.  This again, is from the standpoint of others.
These are Brahma Vid, Brahma Varishta, etc., These are called
Seven Jnana Bhoomis or Seven Grounds of Knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Guru Ramana Vachana Mala
« on: October 20, 2008, 01:39:05 PM »
Dear everyone,

I read the caution post on copyright laws from the Administrator,
Mr. Graham Boyd.  When  I asked for his clarification, he explained
in a post that writing the full details in a book of Sri Ramansramam,
is infringing the copy rights.  I told him, "Sorry!"  Hence, I shall not
be able to continue, Guru Ramana Vachana Mala or from any other
book of Asram, in full or in a large part.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Gangajal, srkudai and others, Yes. Self shall help us in
the cleaning, but as Bhagavan Ramana said in Who am I?
"God and Guru shall help us in self realization and shall not
confer self liberation.  One should listen to Guru's words,
and act as per His words."  So, helping in Self realization is
helping in cleaning process.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes.  Bhagavan Ramana, once was suffering from non stopping
hiccups and all the available medicines were of no avail.  The
devotees could not bear the sight.  One day, one devotee, had
a dream in which Bhagavan was telling him to pluck the 'Seeni
kodi leaves' from the compound of his house and bring them duly
crushed and mixed with ginger and jaggery.  He woke up from
the dream and he and his wife looked for the leaves, which had
grown in between some cement plastering in the compound of
his house.  He made the preparation and took it to Bhagavan.
Bhagavan Ramana,  who was looking at the entrance of the Old
Hall, as if He was waiting for the receipe, took it and had it.
The hiccups stopped thereafter.  Who taught Him, this native
cure?  Excepting the Self within.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: saranagathi and samarpanam
« on: October 20, 2008, 12:35:02 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Sarangati and Atma Samarpanam are the same.  Samarpanam,
merely means "offering".

Arunachaka Siva.

Dear srkudai,  Exactly.  Play your role.  If you have to give
anger, give it without vengence, just to correct the other person.
Bhagavan Ramana very occasionally displayed mild anger.  Even
that was only to correct the other person but not to score a point
over him.  When someone in the Hall kept on arguing, inspite
of patient clarifications from Bhagavan, Bhagavan said, "All
right, do you want to me give you in writing that  I lost in debate?
I shall do it.  Please bring Naryana Iyer and he shall register the
stamp paper on which I would write and this man can take it
and go."

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: The 16 shakti
« on: October 20, 2008, 12:26:56 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli and Dr. Raju,

This reminds me one Nindha-sthuthi, Praying as if Scolding,
in Tamil.  One poet told Siva,

"They say that you have three eyes!  O Siva. It is all bluff.
One and a half eyes belong to my mother, Unnamulai, who
is on the left side of you.  The balance is only one and a half
eyes.  Even in this, one eye was given to you by Kannappar.
So, you have only one half of an eye!  They say you are having
a moon, which represents bliss.  But this is a three digit moon,
without any light.  All light comes to you, from my mother,
Unnamulai, please remember!"

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: The 16 shakti
« on: October 20, 2008, 12:21:24 PM »
Dear mikroth, Thank you.

Dear Dr. Raju and Ramanaduli, in Saiva panteon, all the three,
Siva, Uma and Ganesa wear the moon.  All the three have three

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Poorna saranagathi
« on: October 20, 2008, 12:18:08 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju, Yes.  I think, (whether it is in the same story or
some other story), someone came to drop cactus milk into His
eyes, to make Him blind.  He did not move.  Then they left without
doing that evil thing.

Arunachala Siva.