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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles do happen
« on: November 08, 2008, 11:08:06 AM »
Once an old man who was also a lame, and walking with crutches,
was being illtreated by his son and daughter in law in Tiruvannamalai,
and he decided to leave the town and commit suicide.  He wanted to
go round the Hills once and possibly he thought he would drown himself
into one of the springs in the Hills.  When he was going round the Hill,
suddenly an old Brahmin appeared before him and told:  "For your
status, why all this?"  So saying, the old brahmin took away the
crutches and threw into the valley.  The old man fell down, cried,
and when he got up, he found that he was no longer lame!  He
went back home, fully fit, and the son and the daughter in law
were surprised about the news and began to respect him because
God had helped the old man.  His like naturally improved thereafter.

Devaraja Mudaliar quotes this in his Day by Day.  The devotees as usual
attributed this to Bhagavan Ramana and He was enthusiastically
hearing the story but disclaimed any ownership.  This was His
usual practice.

Such miracles do happen even today, in Tiruvannamalai.

Arunachala Siva.     

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Miracles do happen
« on: November 08, 2008, 10:58:46 AM »
Dear srkudai,

How does any one know?

Everyone present at that time knew that the miracles did happen.
Even Ramana knew it.  But whether it is by Ramana or Arunachala,
was the question even during that time.  Ramana Himself refused
ownership for such events.  He said:  Such things happen here
often but Arunachala does it.  The devotees attributed these things
to Bhagavan Ramana.

Why does it not happen everywhere?

It is like home altar and a temple.  In a home altar we at best
place one flower garland to the God.  In a temple, 100 garlands
are being placed on the deity on a single day.  More than 1 lakh
people visit Tirupati everyday.  But to my home altar, very rarely
people come.  Hence there is the power of the presence.

Arunachala Siva. 

Ashrams / Re: How To Get To Tiruvanamalai From Trichy Airport
« on: November 08, 2008, 10:30:49 AM »
Dear Janet,

From Tiruchirappalli airport, Sri Ramanasram, is about 200 to
250 kms and it would take a cab about five hours, taking into
account the conditions of Indian roads.  If you know Tamil,
talk to the cab driver in Tamil and he will cheat you less. The
cabs should be available from the airport itself.  Or come out of the
airport thorugh a local cab and reach the cab stations which are
lining up in different parts of the city.  It will cost you about
Indian Rupees 1500 to reach Tiruvannamalai.

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Jnani's Sublime State
« on: November 08, 2008, 10:25:09 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

You must have read this also.  When Bhagavan Ramana entered
the Arunachalesvara Temple around 11 am on that Tuesday,
He went straight inside the sanctum sanctorum.  There were
providentially no one in the temple, not even priests.  He hugged
the Siva Linga and said:  "Father!  In accordance with Your command,
I have come to You!"  There was effulgence everywhere in the
temple, which drowned both Ramana and the Siva Linga!  It lasted
for a few minutes and then He came out.  He had a tonsure, threw
away all His belongings, wore only a cod piece, and did not want
even to take a bath.  The showers came and bathed Him!  This is
the red letter Tuesday, the coming of Siva Kumara (for whom Tuesday
is the favourite day), to Siva.  Kavyakanta Ganapati Sastri calls
Him, an avatra of Skanda.

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Saint Poet Tayumanavar
« on: November 08, 2008, 10:19:41 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Chidambara Rahasyam, is the Secret of Chid-Ambaram.
The Secret of the Self, the Space,  which is the dress of
the Self.  The Self does not have anything to dress, Its
ten directions are the Space.  It is Ahara Bhuvanam, that
which consumes or contains the whole universe!  The universe
is within the Self and there is nothing outside the Self. 

In Chidambaram, the priests unfold a screen and show the
blue linen within which is having some bhilva leaves made
of gold.  This represents the Space, which is colourless, but
appears blue to us.  This is contained in the Self, the Heart Centre,
as Bhagavan used to call it.

The Heart, Chidambaram, the Self, "I-I", Atma --- all are one and
the same.

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: mahamudra meditation
« on: November 08, 2008, 10:08:26 AM »
Dear Matthias,

I agree with you.  All loads lead to Tiruvannamalai, which is Bodh Gaya.
The Pure Land school accepts the state of bliss, and hence many
other Buddhists thought it is not buddhistic.  Bhagavan Ramana also
said that each one should continue in their own path and find out the
Truth and even forbade Christians from changing their faith.  What
He taught was only philosphy of Atma and that was beyond all
religions.  The only rule, He "suggested" was sattvic food in
moderate quantities, which is an aid to self enquiry.

Incidentally, Sankara adopted the Buddhist method and taught
Advaita.  Only calling the goal as Void or Bliss was the difference.
Hence Sankara is called Pracheena Buddha, the hidden Buddha.

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: emptiness
« on: November 08, 2008, 10:00:58 AM »
Dear matthias,

Only one addition to your wonderful description of Kamala Sutra.
This gets completed in Prajna Parimita, the blooming of the lotus of Awareness.  What Buddha called as Void or Emptiness, Sankara
called it as Bliss.  Becuase it was Sankara's experience.  Further
the Godhead cannot be an empty stuff.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Gita upadesh
« on: November 08, 2008, 09:56:23 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Sanjay was given only a binocular to watch the war front and
report the position to a blind king.  He was like a cricket commentator
in TV or radio.  The cricket commentator does not scrore century.
Only the batsman playing on the crease, scores the century!

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: how do you experience yourselfs?
« on: November 08, 2008, 09:51:43 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Mind sunk in the Heart acts thorugh the Heart, the Self.  Here
there is no doership.

Mind in company of brain acts through brain, with a lot of doership
and egoity.

Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: imprtance of Sat sangha
« on: November 08, 2008, 09:49:44 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, Dr. Raju, srkudai and others,

Some one wrote in another website quoting a Chinmayananda
disciple that "Ramana did not attain the Self realization, as he
was not having Vedanta knowledge."  This gave rise to a series
of comments.  There are a few things about this.  The Hindus unlike
certain other Western religions do not believe in one-birth concept.
There are several births for a living being and it acquires knowledge
of the Self through them.  Hence to say Bhagavan Ramana did not
have Vedanta knowledge is absolute foolishness.  Tiru Jnana
Sambandha sang about Siva at the age of three.  Hence Bhagavan
was a Brahma Jnani and there was no need for Him to read Vedanta
during His birth.  To say He is an avatara is another matter.  We
shall not discuss it now.

Then, about devotees.  Poeple do come to Him with different
carry bags of vasanas.  Some with great Vedanta knowledge.
Some Western devotees too could have attained Vedanta knowledge
during their previous births.  One does not know.  But the point is
Bhagavan Ramana's Asram and Arunachala by themselves have got
the power to impart self knowledge because the power of the presence
there is abundant.

Again teaching part.  Some devotees do not need any teaching.  His
mere looks were sufficient.  Some others, by a mere touch of His
feet attained the state of bliss.  There are incidents on these.

Sri Sadhu Om was once asked by another:  How come, you are
giving so many new insights into Bhagavan Ramana's teachings, when
you had spent only less than 5 years with Him, though many had
spent decades with Him?"  Sri Sadhu Om answered:  "Even five years
is a concession given to this poor me.  A fit recipient would have
attained His state, even with a mere look!"

I think, this sums the position.

Arunachala Siva.     

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles do happen
« on: November 07, 2008, 04:31:39 PM »
Miracles did happen in Tiruvannamalai and even now miracles are
happening.  Nobody can logically explain these things, because
these are beyond logic and worldly reasoning.  This can be attributed
to the power of Siva or the power of the Presence of Bhagavan Ramana.

Once in the town of Tiruvannamalai, a lonely lady got down from
the railway station and engaged a horse-cart to go to her house.
She was new to Tiruvannamalai.  The driver was a scoundrel and
he wanted to rob her jewels and so he took her to a far way road,
diverting his route.  He got down and threatened her.  Just then,
some policemen arrived and he took to his heels.  The policemen
safely placed the lady in her house.  The lady took down their numbers,
to reward her next morning.  On the next morning, on enquiry she
was told that there are no such policemen with such number plates!

When the devotees reported this to Bhagavan Ramana, He took
great interest and heard the story.  When some devotees asked Him,
whether He had only "done" that miracle, He coolly said:  "How
do I know?  Miracles do take place often in this place!"

(Sources:  Arunachala's Ramana, Boundless Ocean of Grace, Volume 1,
Sri Ramansramam.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Tirup Pallandu
« on: November 07, 2008, 03:58:37 PM »
Tirup Pallandu, as posted earlier, was composed around the same
time as that of Sarana Tiru Ahaval.  It contains many songs, with
a refrain ending Pallandu...Pallandu, meaning, Long live for several
years, Long live for several years.

Verse 581 reads as under:

Excepting the feet of Siva, the feet of Hari
And those of others, I leave,
Since they are all the feet of the conception of the mind!
The feet of the Sublime, the feet of Suddha Meinjanana,
The feet of the Space, that is the feet of our Guru, Long
   live for several years, Long live for several years.

Verse 676 reads like this:

Long live for several years, long live for several years,
  Long live for several thousands of years,
Long live for several years, the Pure Space of Silence,
   Who kept me in His feet,
Long live for several years, his lotus feet,
    For the good devotees, who pray to Him,
Long live those devotees, chanting His feet and live
    For several years.

(Sri Ramana Anbhuti, Muruganar, Tamil, Sri Ramansramam.
  Translation my own.)

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Sarana Thiru Ahaval
« on: November 07, 2008, 03:45:12 PM »
Sarana Thiru Ahaval -- is a long poem running into 1622 lines,
on the lines of Manikkavachagar's Siva Puranam, Keerthi Thiru
Ahaval, Tiru Andap Pahuthi, Potrit Tiru Ahaval, which are the first
four poems of Tiruvachakam.  This poem and Saranap Pallandu,
are later works of Muruganar, after Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai and
Guru Vachaka Kovai.  This did not become popular during Bhagavan
Ramana's stay in Tiruvannamalai, in His body, but was recited in
the Hall sometimes.  Later Prof. K. Swaminathan, included this
in his 9 volume, Sri Ramana Jnana Bodham.  A part of Saranap
Pallandu is available in Sri Ramana Anubhuti of Sri Ramansramam.

Saranap Pallandu ends with 'Sarnam...Saranam', after every 2 or
4 or 6 lines.  This poem was at the behest of Devaraja Mudaliar,
about which he has mentioned in his Recollections.

A few passages read like this:

A cool moon rose from the ocean of Silence,
Your eyes project the nectar, for the devotees, Saranam..
Your bright eyes with sword like sharpness,
Break the knot of the heart, Saranam..Saranam...

When the mind is killed in meditation and contemplation,
You dance in that burial ground, and be happy, Saranam...Saranam...
When the Heart reveals the Self,
You dance in the Heart, Saranam...Saranam....
When there is no 'upadhi' in the ego,
You remain as the Space, where there is no argument, Saranam,

You held your looks as the diksha,
And saved me, O Master, Saranam.. Saranam...
Even with eyes fully open, I fall into the pit,
Don't treat me like a mud and remember me, Saranam...Saranam...

Unless you grace me to pray to you,
How can this dog prey to you, who am I? Saranam....Saranam...
You raised Vani* from me
O great poet, the Truth, Saranam....Saranam....

(* Vani -Sarasvati, the poetic talents.)

With great interest Devarayan*
Made me to sing this, He is happy, Saranam....Saranam...

(* Devarayan, Sri A. Devaraja Mudaliar.)

(Source: Sri Ramana Jnana Bodham, Volume 9, Tamil.
  Sri Ramana Kendra New Delhi. Translation, my own.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Sona Saila Malai
« on: November 07, 2008, 02:14:22 PM »
Sona Saila Malai, is a compositon of 100 Verses by Guhai Namasivaya,
who lived on the Hills in Tiruvannamalai.  In the book published by
Sri Ramanasramam, which have with great research compiled the
complete works of Guhai Namasivaya, with old manuscripts and
Bhagavan Ramana's handwriten copies, these songs are not there,
and they have also mentioned in the Foreword, that this could not
be searched.  However one song is now available, as given by
Bhagavan Ramana in His handwriting, to Devaraja Mudaliar.

This beautiful song reads as under:

Even when great poets like Vadvauran* and others sing
  that they have no love for you and seek your grace for it,
It is all falsity** where as when I cry that I have no love for you,
  it is truth.  Please grace me.
The dark elephants with large trunks and ears, shout in panic
  upon hearing the thunders,   
And then the dark  clouds will burst into heavy rain falls
  and fill up the Hills and the oceans away, O King of Kailas,
  and the Ruler of Arunachala!

* Vadavuran is classical name for Manikkavachagar.
** Those poet-saints are having abundant love and your
    abundant grace and if they say these, it is for poetic style
    and is a falsity, whereas Guhai Namasivaya says his lack
    of love for Arunachala was a truth!

(Story Source:  Devaraja Mudaliar, Thaayum Niyee, Thanthaiyum
   Niyee, Tamil, Sri Ramansramam.  Poem translation, my own.) 

Arunachala Siva. 

Tiru Jnana Sambandhar one of the four major Saiva saints among
the 63 saints, has always considered Arunachala as his father,
as Bhagavan Ramana had considered.  To Jnana Sambandha,
Arunachala was ever at his help, in times of need and worldly
obstacles and difficulties.  Bhagavan Ramana also told that
Jnana Sambandha was Siva Kumara, an avatara of Skanda.

Once he had to debate with Jainas in Madurai and the queen
of Pandya Kingdom, who was herself a Siva devotee, was afraid
that the Jainas might harm him with their tricks.

He sang a song to Mangayarkarasi, the queen, which reads
like this:

O Mother, the consort of Pandya King, a lady with deer like eyes,
Do not consider me a small boy* who has got milk at his mouth!**
And pity me for my being alone, Annamalai, the Primordial Father,
Who dwells in many temples, He shall take care of the obstacles,
That come to me and other helpless people,  He always stands
   in Tiru Alavay* as a great treasure!

*  Jnana Sambandha was only 7 years old, when he went to Madurai.
** The milk oozing from the mouth, denotes that he was given
     breast milk by his mother Uma in Sirkazhi, when he was 3 years old.
***  Tiru Alavay is the classical name for Madurai, the capital
     of Pandya Kingdom.  The god and goddess are Sundaresvara and

(Source: Story: Devaraja Mudaliar's Thaayum Niyee, Thanthaiyum
   Niyee.  Sri Ramansramam, Tamil.  The song from Tevaram,
   Tamil, Saiva Siddhanta Book Publishing House, Chennai.) 

Arunachala Siva.