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Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Radha madhavam
« on: November 01, 2008, 10:35:14 AM »
In Vaishnavism, the consort of Vishnu, Lakshmi, is always
considered as a thread between the devotee and the Godhead.
In Srimad Bhagavatam, there is no mention about the concept
of Radha, the eternal lover.  Only in Jayadeva's Ashtapadhi
and later works like Sri Narayaneeyam, the character of Radha
has got a place.  In fact, while Krishna married 16000 wives,
Radha is no one among them.  She remains as the eternal lover.
She is depicted both as a spinster and also as a married woman.

Radha is considered as Siva Swarupa.  It is again the union of
Siva and Maya, the Maya, here being Krishna, who is none else
than Uma, who is called as Narayani.  In Srimad Ramayanam
also, while Rama is considered as Maya, Sita is considered as
Siva.  It appears, that Siva wanted to spend some time with
Ravana who is a Siva-worshipper and hence Ravana's abduction
of Sita to Lanka!

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Sri Ramana Panchakam
« on: November 01, 2008, 10:27:53 AM »
Kavyakanta Ganapati Sastri first met Bhagavan Ramana in 1903.
Again he met Him in 1907, when Bhagavan Ramana looked at him,
for about 15 minutes and transmitted the turth and thebliss of vichara marga.He also said:  Where the sounds of mantra, spring from and to where the sound withdraws back, that is the Heart-Centre, the place of the Self for vichara marga.  Sastri who is a famous Sanskrit extempore
poet, immediately composed five verses, called Sri Ramana Panchakam.
To our misfortune, the first composition of Sastri, is not available now.

(Source: Arunachala's Ramana - Ocean of Boundless Grace Vol.1)

Again, it was arranged that Kavyakanta Ganapati Sastri, would
read the 1000 verses of Uma Sahasram, a composition on Uma,
at the Arunachalesvarar Temple, at Tiruvannamalai.  Till the previous
night, only 700 verses were ready.  At around 8 pm, Sastri sat
in the Mango Tree Cave, and started composing the last 300 verses,
with four of his disciples sitting in front of him to write them out.
Sastri requested Bhagavan Ramana, to be with him in the Cave.
Bhagavan Ramana sat a little away in the Cave and was intently
'looking at' Sastri.  Between 8 pm and 12 midnight, the three hundred
verses were completed!  After completion, Bhagavan Ramana looked
at Sastri, and asked him, "Have you taken down all that I said?"
Sastri said, "Yes".

When Sastri made a number of changes in the verses of Uma Sahasram,
later, he made no alterations in the last 300 verses!   Sastri always
was telling that those verses were composed by Bhagavan Ramana

Arunachala Siva.

Once, when He was in the Hills, Bhagavan Ramana's bathing towel,
became so tattered that He had to hide in a hole in a tree without
anyone observing it!  Sesha Iyer, a devotee happened to see it
and feeling very bad about the sacrilege committed to Brahmana Swami,
he immediately brought some newones, about six, and Bhagavan
Ramana just took one!  Describing the bathing towel as one with
1000 holes, Poet Muruganar sung a composition in Sri Ramana 
Sannidhi Murai, Homage to the Presence of Sri Ramana, that "He
was wearing Indra, as his garment, because Indra is said to have
a thousand eyes.   The same was the position of his codpiece.  It
contained a lot of stitches to mend the holes.  Pazhaniswami on seeing that,  brought a new one to Bhagavan Ramana.

(Source:  Arunachala's Ramana - Ocean of Boundless Grace - Vol 1)

Once, when the famous Chengalvarya Pillai, a Muruga bhakta and
compiler of various songs of Tiruppugazh and a great Saivite Tamil
scholar, came to see Bhagavan Ramana and when Muruganar asked
him, what Bhagavan Ramana was wearing, Pillai saw Bhagavan,
and exclaimed that "the Self is wearing the Self as his codpiece!"
This is in line with a famous Tiruvachakam Song, in Tiruc Chazhal,
verse 2.  The verse reads as:

Oh my Father, my God, the god of all the gods,
Why is wearing a coupina, with a lot of holes and stitches?
Oh, He,the Self,  is wearing the four Vedas as the threads,
And a codpiece of the Self, with those threads, please see!

(Tiruc Chazhal, the Song of Scolding)

Arunachala Siva.

Ashrams / Re: Living in tent in/near the ashram?
« on: November 01, 2008, 09:43:23 AM »
Dear friend,

The local sadhus and beggars sleep on the road and sidewalks,
constantly being disturbed by policmen and street dogs.  This
is the scene in many towns in India.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Death and birth
« on: November 01, 2008, 09:40:23 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes, Jnanis like Bhishma decided their date of leaving the body,
for the commencement of Uttararayna.  But dying on Ekadasi
day and getting cremated on Dwadasi day, could be an extension
of these ideas, perpetrated by Vaishnavites.  Chanting God's
name, while dying, is the idea of having a noble thought at the
time of death, so that the mind and pranana would go with that
thought for a better state.  Chanting God's name will not come to
one suddenly, at the time of death, unless he is chanting the names
at all times in his life.

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear Ramanaduli,

Only one elaboration, on the last part of your post.  When the death
takes place, the mind takes the prana with it and goes away to take
a new "house" that is the body.  The Self is always there.  This is
explained in Who am I? by Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  The only
state where the breath continues, despite the mind being quiscent,
is sleep.  We can add swooning state and kevala samadhi state  also to this.  This is also mentioned in Who am I?

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: I want to become......
« on: November 01, 2008, 09:27:44 AM »
Dear Gangajal,

Thanks for elucidation on Brahma-bhutam state.  Saiva Siiddanta,
Sakta tantra and Vaishnavism also state one state called KAIVALYAM,
which is said to be very close to Moksham.  Advaitins use KAIVALYAM
and MOKSHAM, interchangeably without any difference. Sri Lalita
Sahasranamam says in one name of Lalita as "Kaivalya Pada dayini."
Kaivalyam, according to Vaishnavism is the state where Lakshmi,
Narayana's consort is supposed to stay.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

The Self is "experiential"  and It is not 'a feeling'.   When you
sleep well at night, you tell about the sound sleep only next
morning, when your mind operates!  You do not tell that you
are sleeping well, during sleep.  Hence you have to only 'experience'
the Bliss of the Self and it cannot be described in words or felt. I have
already written in some post, it is like the experience of union
that the newly wed bride has got with her husband.  She does
not 'tell' others, even to her mother who anxiously wait for the
bride to come out of the nuptial room, she only "smiles" and her
mother!  That is why, the Upanishads say:

Where the words go and come back failing!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

There is no day time Seer and night time Seer, there is no shift
work here, there is only one Seer, the Self.  Bhagavan Ramana
calls it:  Andham Ilak Kan, the deathless or endless eye!

What sees in the waking state is the mind.  What sees in the
dream state is also the mind.  What mind does not see, is deep sleep.
So, the mind is not permanent because the mind is not there in
deep sleep.  What is permanent is the Seer, the Self.

How mind sees in the waking state? For example, you know a
buxom young woman next door.  The door is closed.  You do not
see her with your eyes.   The bell rings.  The mind sees first.  Hence,
even before the door is opened, you see the girl.  Similarly, your wife
goes out to supermarket and comes back and tells you that she
has procured Rasagulla.  The pocket is not yet opened.  But your
mind is already seeing it and even before your taste it, saliva springs
from the mouth!  So is the case with music, a nice jasmine garland,
Intimate perfume, etc., etc.,

Arunachala Siva.   

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / I want to become......
« on: October 31, 2008, 12:52:20 PM »
Most of us in this world sometimes think,

" I am poor.  I should be born a rich person in my next life!"

"  I am sick.  I want to be born a healthy fellow in my next life!"

"  I have done a lot of good deeds in this life.  I have to go heavan
     and enjoy the company of Ramba, Urvasi and Menaka!"

Why only very few people think:  "I want to be liberated.  or, I
want to attain the Self.  or, I want to be self-realized!"

This is perhaps, most of consider 'liberation' as something "not-
tangible"   No scriptures describe the state of self realization,
excepting to say, that it is Existence, Knowledge and Bliss, no
tangible things like heavans and riches and health.

Or perhaps, what WE ARE ALWAYS cannot be described, only what we
are not can only be described.

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Sri Lalita Sahasranamam
« on: October 31, 2008, 12:31:38 PM »
Sri Lalita Sahasranamam, is a composition of 1000 Holy Names
of Sri Lalita, the Goddess.  This is chanted by many women folk
in India everyday or atleast on Fridays.  This is from a Purana, and
Bhaskara Raya, a Brahmin who lived in Tiruvidaimaruthur, a village
in Tamil Nadu has written a commentary on that.  This commentary
is followed by all devi worshippers.

The first three names attributed to Sri Lalita are quite significant.

1. Sri Mata -  The Mother - Goddess, the Godhead or the Self.

2. Sri Maha rajni - The Great Ruler, the Guru.

3. Srimad Simhasensvari -  One who sits on a lion-carved
    throne or one who rides on a ferocious lion.  This is the Self
    within, riding on your ferocious lion of mind!  Or even vice versa!

Arunachala Siva.

Someone came to Bhagavan Ramana, (many have done like that),
and asked, "Whether I can take up Sannyasa?"  Bhagavan Ramana,
as usual forbade them saying that the way of life is not a hindrance
to self enquiry.  The man persisted:  "Give your permission."
Bhagavan Ramana did not reply. Then the man picked up courage
and said:  "How come, you took up Sannyasa and now say that
I should not!"

Bhagavan Ramana said:  "But I did not ask anybody.  I definitely
did not seek permission from any one nor wait  for their permission,
like you do."   

(This clearly shows that the man wanted Bhagavan Ramana's
seal of approval, so that others can blame Him at a later date!)

Arunachala Siva.

All of us have felt sometime or other, "Why these births and deaths?"
One Americal hippie has sung:  "Please stop the world! I want to
get out!"  These feelings are expressed one way or other.

Saint Arunagiri Natha, who sang thousands of songs in praise of
Skanda, Muruga in Tamil, has got a song which runs like this:

I do not want births and deaths because,

The vultures, crows, and the jackals have become
    tired of eating my flesh in the burial ground! 

Brahma is tired of taking his pot* and making births
    for me endlessly!

Yama is tired of coming on his ox and taking me  to
    death again and again!

My children are tired of checking my bank balance
    every time I die!

My wife is tired of removing her mangala-sutra**

(* Brahma is supposed to create all living beings from a pot,
   which contains primordial seeds.
** This is a yellow thread with a gold pendant that women wear at the time of marriage and remove when their husbands die.)

See the poetic imagination.   

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: how do you experience yourselfs?
« on: October 31, 2008, 12:06:45 PM »
Dear Matthias,

I am fine, by Bhagavan Ramana's Grace.  All these external 'bhavas'
still continue.  Sometimes fear, sometimes bad feelings, sometimes
extraordinarily good feelings.  I do not know. 

One simple example.  When I knew from the Forum that the
Administrator has pruned 783 of my posts, because they are
infringing the copyright laws and for other reasons, this came as
a Diwali gift, you know, I felt bad for a full day.  Several thoughts
came up.  Why all this?  It is like a child building sand houses on
the beach and suddenly a wave coming and removing everything.
But I remembered Chadwick's life.  He had done the entire complete
works of Sri Ramana and wanted to show them to Bhagavan Ramana
and publish them.  Meantime, the news came that Arthur Osborne's
English translation is going to come out.  Then Chadwick quietly
placed the entire manuscripts in front of Bhagavan Ramana and left.
Nothing will be done or undone, without the knowledge of Bhagavan
Ramana, because He is everywhere, all pervading, in and out, vertical
and horizonal, at all times.

Arunachala Siva.

Once Bhagavan Ramana, while He was on the Hills, when He was
called Brahmana Swami, wanted to fast and become a Pranava body.
He was going into the jungle, Vasudeva Sastri, who was a young boy,
studying in Veda Patasala came to Him running and send: "You have
come all alone, let us return to Virupaksha Cave."  Bhagavan Ramana
said: "I shall spend two days in the jungle and come back, you go."
Vasudeva Sastri started weeping.  However, Bhagavan Ramana pacified
him and walked further.  Suddenly, Satthappaswami, Head of Esanya
Math, came in a cart and on seeing Bhagavan took Him to his Math
for feeding!

There were two more such occasions, when Bhagavan wanted to
become a Pranava body.  On the second occasion, He wanted to
avoid Jadaswami who was giving troubles to Him and proceed.
But this time, Yogananda Swami frustrated the attempt!

Thirdly, afer Mother Azhagamma's Samadhi, Bhagavan Ramana wanted
to leave Skandasramam for ever and disintegrate.  But it so happened,
a new Asram was created at the foot hills and He had to remain upto

After reading this, one can wonder, why then Bhagavan Ramana did
not want to disintegrate into Pranava body, particularly at the time
of the terminal cancer.  In my view, He wanted to leave the body
in 'death', and on His samadhi,  a temple would be constructed to make the people understand the power of His presence.

Arunachala Siva.