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General Discussion / Re: Rise of thought-Attention
« on: October 07, 2008, 11:02:14 AM »
Dear Ramanduli,  The one thought, "Who am I?" causes,
as Raju said, apramada, the cleaning up of all the other thoughts.
This thought takes one to the merger of the Self and that thought
also burns up eventually, like the stick that is used in stirring the
funeral pyre.  (Who am I?)

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: WHO IS MASTER?
« on: October 07, 2008, 10:56:03 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, I used the word Master, to indicate the Adi-Guru,
Sri Dakshinamoorthy.  The word can also be used for a Guru who
is a Brahma-Jnani.  As you rightly said, teachers give scriptural knowledege only, the Jnana Guru confers liberation, with or without scriptural knowledge.  In Ramanasramam, the Guru-paramapra is chanted as:  Sri Dakshinamoorthy prarambe, Sankaracharya madhyame,
Sri Ramana Guru.  Skanda, the son of Siva, is called Parama Guru,
the one who taught the pravana mantra purport to Siva Himself!
In Sri Ramana Gita, Bhagvan says to Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni:
The Guru is one in whose Presence you get immense peace.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Animals who got attainment
« on: October 07, 2008, 10:48:47 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

In Arunachala Sthala Mahtmaym,  there is a story of a dry thorn
bush, cactus, getting liberation, after Siva treaded on it!  The
spider and the elephant getting mukti is nararated in the Sthala
Purana of Tiru Anaikka, a Siva temple, about 4 kms from

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: What is not Meditation
« on: October 06, 2008, 08:30:01 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Baraneedharan's Arunachala Mahimai, two volumes
(?) is a good starting point.  So also Suddhananda Bharati's Sri
Ramana Vijayam, Tamil, which was published much earlier.
These are the guidelines for Ramana Way.  Ra. Ganapati has also
written about Bhagavan Ramana.  Sri Sadhu Om's books give
an absolutely breathtaking new insights for Bhagavan.  His
Tamil book, Ramana Vazhi (4 volumes) is a little tough to understand,
but on reading twice or thrice, one can understand Bhagavan's
teachings.  The third part of Ramana Vazhi is poems.  You may
keep it at the end.

Arunachala Siva.   

Uma is three in one.  She is Durga, Lakshmi and Sarasvati.  She
gives food, first, as Annapurani.  Because one cannot do anything
in life, in an empty stomach, leave alone self enquiry!   She gives then knowledge, the Self knowledge for the soul, as Sarasvati.   She then gives
wealth and riches, adequate enough for living.

Mother Azhagmma and later His aunt gave food for Bhagavan.
On Self realization, He came to Tiruvannamalai.  He started at
the noon time on 29.8.1886, Saturday to Tiruvannamalai.  He
just took a country apple in the train.  He reached Vilupuram,
on the morning of 30.8.1886, Sunday.  He was given food at
noon time, by a hotel owner, who refused to take money from Him!

He travelled to Mambazhapattu.  He had no money.  Again He
walked upto Araiyani Nallu, later in the evening.  In the temple,
the cook refused to give Him food, the prasad of the temple.
He further walked upto Kilur, where in the Siva temple, He was
again refused food, prasad, by the priest, but the drummer in
the temple offered his share!  He lied down on the street.

On 31.8.1886, Monday, in the same town of Kilur, He pawned His ear
studs!  Smt Muthu Krishna Bhagavatar,wife of the pawn broker,
gave Him food and snacks in a pocket, because it was the day
of Krishna Janmashatami festival! Late night, on 31.8.1886,
He took a train and reached Tiruvannamalai, on the morning
of 1.9.1886, Tuesday, He reached His Father's Abode, Tiruvannamalai.

In Tiruvannamalai, He had food only after another one or two days.
He begged on the streets of Tiruvannamalai and several mothers
gave Him food.  Then came Echammal, Mudaliar Patti and others.

So, Uma as Durga or Annapurani, fed Him at various places on the way and during His early days arrival.  Sarasvati, had already fed Him
full with self knowledge in Madurai, at his uncle's house in Chokkappa
Naicken Street.  He never bothered much about Lakshmi.  She came
on Her own accord in due course, for construction of the Asram,
publication of books, feeding visitors everyday etc.,

On this Durga Pooja Celebrations, let us think of all those
mothers who fed Him food, gave Him self knowledge and
gave Him, money consruction of the Asram, feeding and publication
of books.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli and Raju,  The Spiritual Heart is not the blood
bumping heart, which is on the left side of the chest.  Even here
the location of the Spiritual Heart, on the right side of the chest,
two digits to the right of the mid point, is spoken as a location for
the seekers to do dhyana.  In fact, as Raju has said, It is all
pervading.  For seekers, Bhagavan made a concession and said,
Okay, you meditate on the right side of your chest.  He quoted
a verse from Ashtanga Hrudayam, a Malayalam Ayurvedic book.
The centres mentioned in Sri Soundarya Lahari and Sri Lalita
Sahasranamam, are for the yogic practice of the raja yogis.
These are different.  In fact, the Spritual Heart is not Ajna chakra,
as Bhagavan has clarified.

When some seekers wanted to "test" this, they touched Bhagavan's
right side of the chest, in His abundant Grace, Bhagavan made them
to feel the lab-dub, three times in a minute!  This is again to
'satisfy' them only!

Arunachala Siva.       

Dear Ramanaduli,  Your post.  Not only you, but many others
e.g. nonduel, have been raising the point, whether one's Guru
should be in physical frame, whether one can pray to a Guru,
who has already shed his body etc.,  You are putting it in a different
way, saying that a Guru should give you 'darshan' and that is
possible only when he has got a physical body.  I am the one,
who believes, that a Guru need not be in a physical frame, to
guide you to the path of self enquiry.  Take David Godman, for
example.  He came to Tiruvannamalai, in 1970s and he is still
living there. He attained self realization, in about 3 years after
he came to Tiruvannamalai.  There could be several examples.

Again, why do you need a guru to give you darshan, to be in
a physical body.  What is 'darshan'.  It is not 'seeing'.  It is
guru's grace for you.  Arunachala Purana says that even one
who contemplates Arunachala will be conferred with self-
realization, without being phyiscally there in Tiruvannamalai
and 'seeing the Hills every day.  If it is for Lord Annamalai,
why not for Bhagavan Ramana, who is none other than Arunachala?

Plese contemplate on these lines.

Arunachala Siva.   

The poet and Sakta, Sri Abhirami Bhattar was working as a priest
in Tirukkadaiyur Siva temple, where Abhirami was the goddess.
He was always in the Bliss of Mother, without caring for anything
in life.  He had no wants.  But in his beautiful poem, Abhirami
Ammai Padigam and Abhirami Andati, he wants all sorts of things,
good things, for the sake of devotees.  In one of the songs of
Padigam, he lists out 16 things for the bhakta.

1.  Unflinching Knowledge
2.  Non diminising age
3.  Friendship with people who do not have mistrust
4.  Non reducing wealth and fertility
5.  Non ageing youth
6.  Body without any diseases
7.  Steady mind
8.  Wife with never leaving love
9.  Children who will not fail in their duties
10. Non diminshing Glory
11. Non changing words of Truth
12. Non hindered gifts to others
13. Never diminshing Wealth
14. Non oscillating judgements in life
15. Misery-less Life
16. A pure love for your feet (Abhirami)

With all these, please see that I am always in the company
of your devotees.  O Abhirami, the sister of Vishnu who does
yoga nidra in the ocean, the Queen of Tirukkadaiyur, ever
being on the left half of Siva, Amrithakadesvarar, the Siva
of Tirukkadaiyur.  O bless me, O bless me!

On this Durga Pooja Celebrations, let us pray to the Mother,
who can confer all these to pursue Ramana Way.

As Ramanaduli said, Avan arulale avan thall vanangi, we can
pray to Him only when we get His grace and the Grace is
nothing but Mother's grace!

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear Ramanaduli,

Welcome to the Forum. 

1. Titiksha, persevrence or endurance is necessary not only for
Self knowledge but also for everyday life.  It is like digging a
pit in the same place, deeper and deeper, without boredom,
to get water.

2. Consciousness, Awareness and Witness also mean the Self.

3. Do not feel sad that you were not born during Bhagavan's
time.  He is timeless.  I was also thinking often why I was not
born during Bhagavan's period and was like another Ramanatha
Brahmachari, aboslutely innocent and guileless to merge with Him.
But, perhaps, we were all there in and around the Hills seeing
Ramana.  But our tapas might  not have been adequate and that
is why, we are born now.  Your 28 years of study of Ramana is
not easy joke.  You are continuing your tapas.

4. Bhagavan says that work is not a hindrance to atma vichara.
You can work with keeping Bhagavan in your mind, and the
thoughts that occur to do you work excellently, will be guided
by him.  These thoughts are not bad because they are pure thoughts
like burnt ropes.  They do not harm anyone.

5.  You continue to see everyone as Brahma Swarupam.  There is
nothing wrong.  They will appear to you as Brahma Swarupam,
because they are not other than the Self..  Their trivialities will
not be noticed by you, and these  will disappear, once you continue
this bhavana.

Arunachala Siva.

When Bhagavan was a young boy in Tiruchuzhi, whenever some
one got angry with Him or scloded Him, He used to run to the
Siva temple, Shri Bhoominathesvara, and sit in the precints of
Uma's shrine and overcome his sadness.  Uma, here, is called
Sahaayavalli,  The Mother who is the embodiment of mercy
had always been with Bhagavan Ramana, in times of distress.
In Sri Ramana Ashottaram, there is a name, which says:
Sahaayama Sahaayvan Namah:  I pray to the One who has got
the support of Sahayamba. 

Again, when He came to Tiruvannamalai after self realization,
his merger into the Self, is said to have happened only with
grace of Uma, and hence He is called, Sakti nipathane prabuddaya,
that is, One who got awakened by the touch of Godhead or Sakti,
her grace.  I pray to the One who had the touch of Sakti, Sakti nipatham.

During the early months, when He was staying in the Arunachalesvara
Temple precints, the priest served Him milk, which was used for
her abhishekam.  He got this milk collected, after the abhishekam,
and served it to Bhagavan.  For this purpose, unlike the usual proceedure,
in which milk is added with turmeric, rose water etc., the priest used
the plain milk, did the abhishekam and collected the outflowing milk
and gave it to Bhagavan.

Hence we can remember on this Durga Pooja Celebrations, how
Bhagavan, who is an avatara of Skanda, got His mother's support
for all His needs, be it consoling His sad state in Tiruchuzhi, or
to attain Self realization, or to quench his hunger and thirst during
the days in Tiruvannamalai Temple.

Arunachala Siva.


When Bhagavan was in the Hills, one day, his stomach was not
alright and He wanted to fast for the whole day.  While He was
strolling on the Hills, suddenly seven women, who were having
baskets for picking dry leaves and twigs, came to Him and asked
for water to drink.  Bhagavan gave them water and after drinking,
they invited Him to take some food also.  Bhagavan was never
refusing any offering, and He was given some gruel and other items.
He continued the stroll.  Again these seven women appeared before
Him around 3 p.m., asked for water and after drinking water and
washing their faces, they started eating and again invited Him for
taking food.  Bhagavan again had to consent and He took a share
of some more gruel and other food.  Bhagavan casually looked at
their baskets and they were empty without any dry leaves and twigs!
Then for what purpose had they come?  He was wondering!

Mother Unnamulai had sent her seven maidens (Sapta Kanya) to
feed Her son!  For Her son, Skanda, had to eat more food to cure
His stomach upset!  What a Grace!  Mother Uma is the personification
of Grace and it is She, who feeds the whole universe, with the two
measures of rice given by Her husband, Siva!   Siva is a madcap
because, after giving His wife, two measures of rice, for feeding the
entire universe, He went out for begging!  I believe this is a fit
thought on this day of Durga Pooja Celebrations.

Saint Manikkavachagar sings in Tiruvachakam:

I see Thillai, Chidambaram, full of nice palaces and flourishing wealth,
Where everybody is fed stomach-full, on every day!

Arunachala Siva.   

Dear srkudai,  Yes.  The first 6 chapters of Gita speak about Thou,
the second 6 chapters speak about That and the last six, the union
: Tat Tvam Asi.  I have also read Gambhirananda's book.  It is
wonderful.  It is also said:  The second chapter, Sankhya Yoga,
is the essence of the entire Gita.  The other chapters are all

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 02, 2008, 05:00:12 PM »
Dear Raju, Yes.  Bhagavan demonstrated what is Nishkamya
Karma or Naishkarmya Karma or Akarma, to the questioner.
Bhagavan used to prepare nice curries, sambhar and rice by
toiling for a couple of hours with kitchen workers.  But at
the lunch, He used to mix everything and took them as one
lump, without bothering about taste!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Raju,  Very much true!  Only the humble and guileless
people, who have abhorred everything, all attractions of  this
transitory world can attain the Self.  Saint Manikkavachagar,in
Potri Tiu Ahaval, The Poem on Holy Praise of Siva, says:

I should escape all the miseries that I have in my mother's womb;
I should escape all the ills of childhood;
I should escape from the nice two closely formed breasts of women  between which even a needle cannot enter!
I should escape the mad elephant of desires;
I should escape the big ocean of sciptures;
I should escape the great misery of wealth;
I should escape poisonous snake of kith and kin;
I should escape the six crores of gods, who display maya;
I should melt like wax, towards you, WHO IS WITHIN ME.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Raju,  Thank you.  Being in Bangalore, which is a multi-
lingual IT city, I know a little of spoken Kannada, but still less
of Telugu.  I used to watch the Siva Karnamrutham discourse
of one scholar in ETV at 6.15 AM everyday.  I have great respect
for this gentleman, who also discoursed on Sri Soundarya Lahari,
earlier.  I can read your English books, of course.  I am available
at C.10 Garadi Apartments, K.R. Road, Basvangudi,Bangalore 560 004.
In case any of you come down to Bangalore, they are all welcome.

Arunachala Siva.