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46651
Dear Ramanaduli,  You will be surprised to know that people
like Annamalai Swami, Lakshmana Swami, Wolter Keers, Papaji
and a few others have 'felt' the pulsation on their right sides of
their chest.

Arunachala Siva.

46652
Dear Ramanaduli,  Pasam is catch the mind that falters.  Angusam
is to punish to teach a lesson.  In Natraja idol, every thing that he
wears, be it snakes, be it Ganga, be it Brahma's skull,  be it moon,
all these have esoteric meanings.  So also the the fire, the hand-
drum and the apasmara or the demon under his right leg, all these
have inner meanings.  These are explained in a book called The
Dance of Siva, by David Smith, in his book and also in a poem
called Kunjithangri Stavvam by Umapathi Sivam, a great poet
who lived in Chidambaram.  He was doing in poojas in the Nataraja
Temple in Chidambaram and later became a Siva Yogi, an exponent
in Siva Yogam under his guru, Arul Nandi Sivam.

Arunachala Siva. 

46653
General Discussion / Re: Vichara and bodily diseases
« on: October 10, 2008, 05:50:55 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Your question is very relevant.  The killing of
the mind is itself a difficult task, because we are so much used
to mind and ego and we always get a feeling that a killed mind
is a broken mind that is insane.  It is not.  The killing of mind is
not contaminating the mind, causing mental break-down that
we become schizophrenic or madcaps.  The killing of mind is the
state where one eternally lives in the Self, happy and blissful. 
This problem was raised earlier in the Forum and I have given
similar answers.

The question therefore remains as to how the Self realized Jnanis,
live and express emotions like human beings.  The answer is,
they live in a state of Supermind (Aurobindo) or Overmind (Zen Master
Bosho) or Pure Mind. (Bhagavan Ramana).  This mind will do all
the activities, more skillfully and display emotions, in times of need.

Bhagavan was a beautiful cook.  He can cut vegetables and stitch
leaf plates (the old type), with great dexterity.  He cried with
joy in times of joy and shed tears towards other people's sorrow.
He never shed tears for his pain and misery, that is during his
terminal cancer. He cried when Echammal came with her grandson,
crying for the demise of her daughter.  He expressed happiness,
when ganji and aviayal were served in the Asram!

This Pure Mind displays all emotions. It does not harm others,
it is like a burnt rope.
   
Arunachala Siva.

46654
Dear srkudai, Very much Yes.  If we look constantly at Siva,
with full surrender, then the ajnanam leaves us.  Then we become
vehicle for Siva. we carry Brahma Jnanam.  For the ignorant, the
world is real; during self enquiry, the world is looked upon as
unreal, like a dream.  After Self Knowledge, the world again is
real, this time, it is Brahma Swarupa.  Sri Ramakrishna's pillow
case example is quite approrpriate, let us be the cover in which
Self is always there, real, shining and blisssful.

Arunachala Siva.

46655
Dear Ramanaduli, all these 'acharams' are mental fabrications.
Certain essential codes of conduct are essential in a worldy life.
E.g. Taking bath or cleaning up the body, eating moderate sattvic
food, sleeping as many hours less as possible and the like.  Cerain
acharams are caste-dependent, like chanting gayatri, not taking
the old food of the previous day, fasting on Ekasdasi, visiting temples
on Dwadasi or Prodhasham days etc.,  But for a Jnani who has gone
beyond his mind, such rules do not apply.  For others they do apply.
One need not forcefully stop them.  They will go away, as Bhagavan
said, when the approrpriate time comes.  If you like the Agraharam
or a Brahmin's street, it is because they were clean and neat in those
days.  No smell of fish or meat, neatly dressed people, the temple
bells ringing three times near by three times a day, etc.,etc.,

Arunachala Siva.     

46656
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:49:51 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli and srkudai,  When we touch the items mentioned
by you, we are not doing anything.  Only the feeling of the touch
is there.  In case of Bhagavan too, we have to only feel Him in
our Heart, after stopping touching of other things which are worldly
and empirical.

Arunachala Siva. 

46657
General Discussion / Re: SELF REALISATION
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:46:03 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, Thanks for the post.  The thread was started
by Sankar asking for the life stories of saints.  I told him that these
stories can be read from suitable books.  We can only discuss
certain aspects of such stories.  The srkudai, started about Sri
Ramakrishna.  I have no problem in narrating the strories. But
these, as you have said, will be a long serial.  Let us see what  Bhagavan
wills.

Arunachala Siva.
 
 

46658
General Discussion / Re: Vichara and bodily diseases
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:41:43 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Bhagavan did cure diseases of His devotees
in a few cases and in a few other cases, He got them cured through
some other devotess.  He cured the pain in the finger and the elbow
of His devotee, as you might have read in one of the Golden eyes
post.  He cured the blindness of another through a surgery by another
doctor devotee.  But He said  that He had not done anything, so
that many ill devotees would not throng Him, with problems.  He
did not bring the dead child back to life, in one case, because that
was that child's prarabdha.  As regards His own terminal cancer,
he bore it lightly without pain and misery because He had no mind!

Arunachala Siva.

46659
Dear Dr. Raju,  Yes.  We are ever thankful to Mother Azhagamma
for starting the cooking in the Asram.  While she was glad to feed
anyone, she had some orthodox views of a brahmin, which were 
not unexpected those days.  She wanted to feed coolies and wood
cutters of the Hill, only after her eating. Bhagavan condemned the
practice with subtle humour.  Once when some woodcutter came
hungry, Bhagavan asked Amma to feed him.  She said she had not
eaten still.  Bhagavan said, "What if?  You feed him and you can
eat later."  Amma agreed but was weeping thereafter and she
did not eat on that day.  Anyhow her false dharmas left her in
due course.  She was against onion and garlic, which brahmins
particularly widowed brahmins kept up those days.  Bhagavan showed
His disinclination for this practice and told her:  What! these small
bulbous things, are they going to stand at the entrance of Heavans
and prevent you from entering there?  Needless to say that she
left this prohibition in due course.  Once Bhagavan said about her
'acharam', "Look!  Kunju has touched your drying up clothes, by
mistake.  Go, wash it once again and you also take bath!"  This
acharam had also left her and she became ready for self knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.     

46660
Today is Vijaya Dasami.  I want to write about Mother Azhagamma.
She first came to look for her son, after Bhagavan's  running way
to Tiruvannamalai, only in December 1898, about 28 months' later.
Bhagavan gave her a note and she had to leave.  Again she came
after 15 years, in 1913.  She came with her daughter in law,
Smt. Mangalam, wife of Nagasundaram, who later became Chinnaswami.
Again for the third time, she came in 1914.  Finally she came in 1916,
and stayed with Bhagavan till her mahasamadhi, in 1922, six
years later.

What was Mother Azhagamma's contribution?  Giving food to others!
She was the Annapurani!  She started cooking in Virupaksha Cave
and later in Skandasramam, where only Bhagavan, Kunju Swami
and a few others were eating.  Later these aditis became ten,
twenty and so on.  Swami Suddandha Bharati, who wrote Tamil
bliography says:  She virtually started a Vaisvanara Yagnam, opening
fire to cook and give food to others.  This sacrifice continues unabated, the fire started by her is still burning in Sri Ramansramam!  Today,
for both the sessions, as many as 200 devotees and visitors and
about equal number of sadhus and beggars are taking food in
Sri Ramanasramam.

On this day of Durga Pooja Celebrations,  Vijaya Dasami,
let us pray to that Annapurani, the conferer of food, which is
the foremost need for any person, without which no philosphy,
arts and sciences would enter one's mind.

Arunachala Siva.         

46661
General topics / Re: Chetharai pol thiri
« on: October 09, 2008, 10:31:45 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, As Dr. Raju said, Bhagavan was the moving
Brahman.  He was the Brahman who came as sugar candy,
for others to taste.  Chetharai pol tiri, means live like a dead
man and move around the world.   We are all doing that when
we are asleep.  Once we get up in the morning, we starting thinking
of so many things.  Today is Vijaya dasami, I should complete the
pooja and then read a few books like Annamalai Swami - Final talks,
etc., etc., All this happens because of the ego.  An ego less person
can live and move around like a dead man.  Without doership and
yet doing a lot of things in life.  They also say in Tamil, live like
a shadow.  The shadow of a man does not feel joy or sorrow,
pain or pleasure, but still it moves about with the man.

Arunachala Siva.   

46662
General topics / Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 09, 2008, 10:25:26 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Yes.  Tirumoolar said:  You cut the desires
all the desires, even your desire with the Self or God.  He has
advocated desisrelessness towards the Self also.  But let us hear
the others.  And then work out the final answer.  Once Visvanathaswami's brother who was a Gandhian and a freedom
fighter came to the Asram.  He had no faith in castes etc., Despite
being a Brahmin, he deliberately sat in a non brahmin's row for
meals.  Bhagavan said that even the desirelessness to sit in
a brahmin's row for meals is also a desire!  The Self is beyond
the desires and non desires!  What do you say for this?

Arunachala Siva. 

46663
Dear Ramanaduli,  As srkudai, said if someone does not listen to
you, do not get upset.  Dwell in the satisfaction that you have told
them what they or you should do.  Non listening to our words is
the way for them.  Your way is to tell them at the proper time and
leave it at that.  You can say your son or grandson to study well
because exams are nearing.  If he does not listen and keep watching
TV, it is his prarabdha.  You have given the cautiion and that is all.
So in the office and other places.  You have to derive the satisfaction
that you have told them what should be done at the appropriate time.
Things will take place according to individual's prarabdha.  Like
the apple falling from tree, at the appropriate time, regardless
of your wish.

Arunachala Siva.   

46664
General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: October 08, 2008, 06:56:09 PM »
Dear Ramanduli,  Bhagavan Ramana's life was the personification
of silence and Sri Dakshinamoorthy.  He taught as was done by
the Adi Guru, in silence.  Mouna vaakya...  The sincere seekers
understood the Self, Para Brahma Tattvam....  They had all their
doubts cleared without asking for any clarification.  Sishyashtu
Chinna samsaya.....Dakshina also means in Sanskrit, the right side.
Bhagavan always sat with His chin turned slightly towards right.
If one stays in the South, and sees the Guru, who is the Spiritual
North Pole, who is seeing the Southern direction, (dakshinam), and looks
at Him and then on one's right, one will see the East.  The East is where the Sun rises. The Sun of Knowledge can be experienced if you turn towards the north and then look at your rigtht side. 

One of the 108 Holy Names of Bhagavan, one is:

Sri Dakshinabhi mukayai Namah:

Arunachala Siva.
   

46665
General Discussion / Re: Does the self realised person sleep.
« on: October 08, 2008, 03:51:23 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli, Jnani's emotions are towards the whole universe
and its inhabitants.   This is called Cosmic Consciousness, by Swami
Vivekananda.  He once woke up from sleep suddenly and when
people around him asked him what was the matter, he replied,
"There is something wrong somewhere."  Next morning, news
papers flashed news about an earthquake in a far off place and
several people had died.  Bhagavan also displayed such emotions.

Regarding sleep and wakefulness, Bhagavan once flabbergasted
the devotees saying that it is sleepless sleep, wakeful sleep,
wakeless wakefulness and sleeping wakefulness!  Saint Tayumanavar
asked Siva:

"Thoongamal thoongi sugam peruvathu ekkalam?

O Siva. when shall I get the bliss of sleepless sleep?

This may perhaps be called Turiya or Turiuyateetham.

Arunachala Siva.