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Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes.  He is the Unseen Presence. 

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Inventions from the pure mind.
« on: October 31, 2008, 09:58:24 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, As Dr. Raju said, the scientific inventions/
discoveries are the objective experiences, and perhaps may
fatten the egos of the scientists.  I am not sure.  But Dr. Einstein,
after the discovery of general theory of relativity, has said:

"These are all nothing.  I want to know the God's mind.  The rest
are all details!"   

He has also said once the following, which are inscribed in his
room in Syracuse University:

"I believe in God who is very subtle!"

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear Ramanaduli, Thanks, there are also gems in Arunagiri Natha's
poems which talk of pure advaita.

Dear Matthias,  The Upadesa Saram verse that you are referring
is the verse 9.  Arthur Osborne's translation reads like this:

Abidance in Pure Being
Transcending thought through love intense
Is the very essence
Of Supreme devotion.

The Tamil verse starts as:  Bhava balathinanaal....

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: how do you experience yourselfs?
« on: October 31, 2008, 09:44:30 AM »
Dear Matthias,

Your various 'bhavas', or feelings like "inexpressible feeling",
"weightlessness and warmth",  "seeing with every pore of the skin",
horripilation, causeless shedding of tears are all good.  There are
times when I feel choked or weep whenever I hear or tell
Arunachala.  I should only say that these are like  someone
giving you a bottle of lemonade in a long distance running!  Do
accept it and proceed further.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: imprtance of Sat sangha
« on: October 31, 2008, 09:36:33 AM »
Dear srkudai and Matthias,

Your view, I would not say, is incorrect.  But people who have been
benefited have told this about Arunachala.  Matthias felt the power
in the church in Austria.  People going to Vatican may feel higher
power than in a country church.  That is why, Arunachala Mahatmayam
says about two things about Arunachala.

1. Those who see it, or even mentally think of it from afar will become
self realized. 

2. Those who live within three "yojanas" (about 36 miles) around
Arunachala will be self realized even without initiation.

Since Bhagavan Ramana Himself has praised these verses, I am
sure, these are not exaggerations.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: imprtance of Sat sangha
« on: October 30, 2008, 03:53:18 PM »
Dear srkudai,

I agree that the Self or Bhagavan Ramana, is always here and now.
But for seekers, going to Arunachala definitely help, because the
Power of the Presence is more there.  It is like comparing a home
altar and a temple, where in the latter the power is more.  In
Santa Cruz, California, there is one group called SAT, Society for
Abidance in Truth and I think no body can name the Satsangh better
than these people.  This SAT has published the English Ribhu Gita,
composed in free verses, by Mr. Nome and Dr. Ramamoorthy.
May be it will be difficult for people in far off Western countries,
to come to Arunachala in terms of money, health and distance.
But even people who are in Madras, just 190 kms away have not
visited Arunachala in their lifetimes.  Perhaps, it depends upon
one's destiny.

When Annamalai Swami wanted  to go back to Polur, his native
place, for sadhana after 12 years of construction work inside
the Asram, Bhagavan Ramana told him not to leave Arunachala,
since the power is more in Arunachala, to pull the seekers quicker
into the Self than other places.  This is being felt by many devotees
including me.  Maurice Frydman, was going to Arunachala every
week from Bangalore in his jeep, and when Bhagavan asked why,
he said:  I have to charge my battery every now and then!

Arunachala Siva.

T.S. Eliot in his famous poem The Waste Land, has written the

Who is the One who is walking beside you?

The meaning is, Godhead is always with us, in a dualistic sense.
This line is an allegory to Amendson's travel to Antarctica, in
the beginning of 19th century.  All sailors excepting Amendson
and his friend have died on the way, owing to unbearable climate,
or fear, or high sea-fever etc., When the remaining two were
sailing further, they 'had a strong feeling that there is someone
else in the ship' guiding them and encouraging them!

Whenever, I open my comp on a morning, I always think that
whatever I write, should be useful and acceptable to all the
Forum members, I should not make any spelling or typo mistakes
etc., etc,  Then I begin to think, 'Why all these worries and thoughts?
Is not Bhagavan Ramana guiding you.  Is He not the person standing
beside you, in front of the computer?'  He is the One who is always
beside us.

Bhagavan Ramana has also told us in Who am I?

"When everything is done by a Paramesvara Sakti, why should
we go on thinking, that I should do this, I should do that?"

He has also said often:

Nin ishtam; En ishatam, meaning in Tamil, "Your wish is my wish!"

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Karadhala Bhiksha
« on: October 30, 2008, 12:40:05 PM »
During His times in the Hllls, Bhagavan Ramana has been fed
sumptuously on one or two occasions, by devotees who took Him
to their home or Mutt.  He was served a lot of dishes on a large
plate-leaf and fed on those occasions.  However, Bhagavan Ramana,
had usually liked to take alms on His hands and eat them.  When
Pazhaniswami and a few other devotees came live permanently
with Him, alms were collected on a pot and shared equally.

I remember my younger days when I was fed by my grandmother,
along with other grandchildren.  The old lady used to bring curd
bath or sambhar bath in a vessel, and used to give each one handful.
As Bhagavan Ramana said, this food taken on hands has got
some advantages.  Firstly, each one takes what is adequate for him,
and finishes the meal, as soon as he is adequately fed.  Secondly,
as a corallary, there is no danger of being overserved and wasting
food.  Thirdly, it reduces the work both for the server and the
consumer of food.  There is no throwing out the leaf plate or
washing the plates.  All are simultaneously fed and everyone is happy!

Arunachala Siva.

There was one  M.V. Ramaswami Iyer.  He was a religious person
and used to chant Gayatri mantra, many times on a day.  He came
to Bhagavan in 1900, and again a number of times, upto 1927.  This
conversation took place in 1927.

He asked Bhagavan Ramana:  "How long will it take, to come?"

Bhagavan Ramana replied:  "The play should end.  When it is
over, you can come!"

For most of us, play takes months, years, decades to end.  The
play can end only with Guru's Grace!

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Drinking water
« on: October 30, 2008, 11:04:22 AM »
Drinking water is a natural activity for all living beings.  But for
human beings, there are some prescriptions.  This is more towards
maintaining good health and not from any moral or spiritual point of

Bhagavan Ramana has quoted the sayings of ancients on some occasion.

Drinking water before commencement of meal is a poison.
Drinking water after completion of meal is nectar.
Drinking water at any time is a tonic!

This is for ordinary human beings.  There could be exceptions,
like, diabetics, I am told, are hyperthirstry and drinks water
and urinates frequently.  Even a high-fever person may not
drink water at all. 

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Prarabdha feeds you
« on: October 30, 2008, 09:55:01 AM »
When Prahlada joined Gurukul, he was chanting Om Namo Narayana,
instead of changing king Hiranya Kashayp's name.  The teacher
warned him.  But he continued and the other students also chanted
Narayana's name.  At some stage, the students grew cold feet and
said:  "O Prahlada, you are king's son, whereas we are all poor
Brahmins.  If we chant Narayana, we shall lose our jobs as teachers
tomorrow, and we have to starve.

Prahlada said: 'O you are thinking that king is feeding you.  No.
only our prarabdhas' are feeding us.  This has been decided by
God, even before our births.  Hence chant Narayana's name and
he will take care of your food and he can even change your prarabdha,
if he wants!

Bhagavan Ramana has also told this story to someone in the Hall.

Arunachala Siva.   

We have all adored our bosses in our organizations, to please them
or get good reports for our promotion.  I have done that in my office
life.  But adoring God is the best, because God is not be to pleased because you adore him and he is not giving you anything just because
you adore him.

Saint Arunagiri Natha has sung in one Tiruppugazh, on the Skanda
of Nagapttinam.  The song runs like this:

In the town of Naagapattinam, encircled by the roaring oceans
on all three sides,
I was calling certain persons of the town, as Rain Clouds and Fruits
  laden Trees!
I was calling the dumb as persons of great oratory, I was calling
   the fools as men of great wisdom, I was calling the lame as
   men of great handsomeness!
I sung crores of various Tamil songs, in Kovai, Kalambagam, Malai
    and other metres!
Till I was given a 'No' by them and I came back in shame!
O God of Nagapattinam, I pray to you, not for money, food, women
   and shelter!
I pray to you only to kill my desires and anger and seek your feet
   only for union with you!
O Son of Bala, Durga, Amba, Sakti and Uma
The Consort of Siva,
O the dear nephew of Vishnu, who sleeps in the milky ocean,
I pray to you, give me Peace and Liberation!

Most of us are Arunagiri Nathas in our life, and we learn only
after experiencing the futility of such adorations to people in the

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Dr. Raju,

Yes.  I agree.  It is helpful many a times.  Bhagavan says Akshara
Mana Malai, "If you do not take me, O Arunachala, the five thieves
that is my five senses, will rob me!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Matthias,

I also remember one small verse from a Dale Carnagie's book,
perhpas this is also from the Bible.

I was sulking that I had no shoes,
Till I saw a man who had no legs!

Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: Difficulties
« on: October 29, 2008, 01:42:46 PM »
Dear Laith,

Being spiritual in life is not abandoning the duties expected of you.
Very rarely Jnanis like Sankaa and Bhagavan Ramana left their kith
and kin to pursue the sadhana or tapas.  But that should not be the
case of all of us.  Krishna advised the same thing to Arjuna.  The
same Jnanis that I mentioned above did the work with astute
abilities, because for them it is the Self which they have already
realized,was doing, without any doership.   Sankara stitched old
chappals better than a regular cobbler.  Bhagavan did
cooking in the Asram better than a trained cook.  But these cases
are rare.  For most of us, we should not abandon our worldly work
and at the same time,  simultaneously pursue the prayers, meditation
and self enquiry.

Arunachala Siva.