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Dear Ramanaduli,

Only one elaboration, on the last part of your post.  When the death
takes place, the mind takes the prana with it and goes away to take
a new "house" that is the body.  The Self is always there.  This is
explained in Who am I? by Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  The only
state where the breath continues, despite the mind being quiscent,
is sleep.  We can add swooning state and kevala samadhi state  also to this.  This is also mentioned in Who am I?

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: I want to become......
« on: November 01, 2008, 09:27:44 AM »
Dear Gangajal,

Thanks for elucidation on Brahma-bhutam state.  Saiva Siiddanta,
Sakta tantra and Vaishnavism also state one state called KAIVALYAM,
which is said to be very close to Moksham.  Advaitins use KAIVALYAM
and MOKSHAM, interchangeably without any difference. Sri Lalita
Sahasranamam says in one name of Lalita as "Kaivalya Pada dayini."
Kaivalyam, according to Vaishnavism is the state where Lakshmi,
Narayana's consort is supposed to stay.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

The Self is "experiential"  and It is not 'a feeling'.   When you
sleep well at night, you tell about the sound sleep only next
morning, when your mind operates!  You do not tell that you
are sleeping well, during sleep.  Hence you have to only 'experience'
the Bliss of the Self and it cannot be described in words or felt. I have
already written in some post, it is like the experience of union
that the newly wed bride has got with her husband.  She does
not 'tell' others, even to her mother who anxiously wait for the
bride to come out of the nuptial room, she only "smiles" and her
mother!  That is why, the Upanishads say:

Where the words go and come back failing!

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

There is no day time Seer and night time Seer, there is no shift
work here, there is only one Seer, the Self.  Bhagavan Ramana
calls it:  Andham Ilak Kan, the deathless or endless eye!

What sees in the waking state is the mind.  What sees in the
dream state is also the mind.  What mind does not see, is deep sleep.
So, the mind is not permanent because the mind is not there in
deep sleep.  What is permanent is the Seer, the Self.

How mind sees in the waking state? For example, you know a
buxom young woman next door.  The door is closed.  You do not
see her with your eyes.   The bell rings.  The mind sees first.  Hence,
even before the door is opened, you see the girl.  Similarly, your wife
goes out to supermarket and comes back and tells you that she
has procured Rasagulla.  The pocket is not yet opened.  But your
mind is already seeing it and even before your taste it, saliva springs
from the mouth!  So is the case with music, a nice jasmine garland,
Intimate perfume, etc., etc.,

Arunachala Siva.   

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / I want to become......
« on: October 31, 2008, 12:52:20 PM »
Most of us in this world sometimes think,

" I am poor.  I should be born a rich person in my next life!"

"  I am sick.  I want to be born a healthy fellow in my next life!"

"  I have done a lot of good deeds in this life.  I have to go heavan
     and enjoy the company of Ramba, Urvasi and Menaka!"

Why only very few people think:  "I want to be liberated.  or, I
want to attain the Self.  or, I want to be self-realized!"

This is perhaps, most of consider 'liberation' as something "not-
tangible"   No scriptures describe the state of self realization,
excepting to say, that it is Existence, Knowledge and Bliss, no
tangible things like heavans and riches and health.

Or perhaps, what WE ARE ALWAYS cannot be described, only what we
are not can only be described.

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Sri Lalita Sahasranamam
« on: October 31, 2008, 12:31:38 PM »
Sri Lalita Sahasranamam, is a composition of 1000 Holy Names
of Sri Lalita, the Goddess.  This is chanted by many women folk
in India everyday or atleast on Fridays.  This is from a Purana, and
Bhaskara Raya, a Brahmin who lived in Tiruvidaimaruthur, a village
in Tamil Nadu has written a commentary on that.  This commentary
is followed by all devi worshippers.

The first three names attributed to Sri Lalita are quite significant.

1. Sri Mata -  The Mother - Goddess, the Godhead or the Self.

2. Sri Maha rajni - The Great Ruler, the Guru.

3. Srimad Simhasensvari -  One who sits on a lion-carved
    throne or one who rides on a ferocious lion.  This is the Self
    within, riding on your ferocious lion of mind!  Or even vice versa!

Arunachala Siva.

Someone came to Bhagavan Ramana, (many have done like that),
and asked, "Whether I can take up Sannyasa?"  Bhagavan Ramana,
as usual forbade them saying that the way of life is not a hindrance
to self enquiry.  The man persisted:  "Give your permission."
Bhagavan Ramana did not reply. Then the man picked up courage
and said:  "How come, you took up Sannyasa and now say that
I should not!"

Bhagavan Ramana said:  "But I did not ask anybody.  I definitely
did not seek permission from any one nor wait  for their permission,
like you do."   

(This clearly shows that the man wanted Bhagavan Ramana's
seal of approval, so that others can blame Him at a later date!)

Arunachala Siva.

All of us have felt sometime or other, "Why these births and deaths?"
One Americal hippie has sung:  "Please stop the world! I want to
get out!"  These feelings are expressed one way or other.

Saint Arunagiri Natha, who sang thousands of songs in praise of
Skanda, Muruga in Tamil, has got a song which runs like this:

I do not want births and deaths because,

The vultures, crows, and the jackals have become
    tired of eating my flesh in the burial ground! 

Brahma is tired of taking his pot* and making births
    for me endlessly!

Yama is tired of coming on his ox and taking me  to
    death again and again!

My children are tired of checking my bank balance
    every time I die!

My wife is tired of removing her mangala-sutra**

(* Brahma is supposed to create all living beings from a pot,
   which contains primordial seeds.
** This is a yellow thread with a gold pendant that women wear at the time of marriage and remove when their husbands die.)

See the poetic imagination.   

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: how do you experience yourselfs?
« on: October 31, 2008, 12:06:45 PM »
Dear Matthias,

I am fine, by Bhagavan Ramana's Grace.  All these external 'bhavas'
still continue.  Sometimes fear, sometimes bad feelings, sometimes
extraordinarily good feelings.  I do not know. 

One simple example.  When I knew from the Forum that the
Administrator has pruned 783 of my posts, because they are
infringing the copyright laws and for other reasons, this came as
a Diwali gift, you know, I felt bad for a full day.  Several thoughts
came up.  Why all this?  It is like a child building sand houses on
the beach and suddenly a wave coming and removing everything.
But I remembered Chadwick's life.  He had done the entire complete
works of Sri Ramana and wanted to show them to Bhagavan Ramana
and publish them.  Meantime, the news came that Arthur Osborne's
English translation is going to come out.  Then Chadwick quietly
placed the entire manuscripts in front of Bhagavan Ramana and left.
Nothing will be done or undone, without the knowledge of Bhagavan
Ramana, because He is everywhere, all pervading, in and out, vertical
and horizonal, at all times.

Arunachala Siva.

Once Bhagavan Ramana, while He was on the Hills, when He was
called Brahmana Swami, wanted to fast and become a Pranava body.
He was going into the jungle, Vasudeva Sastri, who was a young boy,
studying in Veda Patasala came to Him running and send: "You have
come all alone, let us return to Virupaksha Cave."  Bhagavan Ramana
said: "I shall spend two days in the jungle and come back, you go."
Vasudeva Sastri started weeping.  However, Bhagavan Ramana pacified
him and walked further.  Suddenly, Satthappaswami, Head of Esanya
Math, came in a cart and on seeing Bhagavan took Him to his Math
for feeding!

There were two more such occasions, when Bhagavan wanted to
become a Pranava body.  On the second occasion, He wanted to
avoid Jadaswami who was giving troubles to Him and proceed.
But this time, Yogananda Swami frustrated the attempt!

Thirdly, afer Mother Azhagamma's Samadhi, Bhagavan Ramana wanted
to leave Skandasramam for ever and disintegrate.  But it so happened,
a new Asram was created at the foot hills and He had to remain upto

After reading this, one can wonder, why then Bhagavan Ramana did
not want to disintegrate into Pranava body, particularly at the time
of the terminal cancer.  In my view, He wanted to leave the body
in 'death', and on His samadhi,  a temple would be constructed to make the people understand the power of His presence.

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Creation and dissolution
« on: October 31, 2008, 10:45:05 AM »
I have already posted under Maandukya Upanishad - Gaudapada
Karika, about Ajata Vada, the theory of no creation and no dissolution,
by Gaudapada, Sankara and Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.

Sri Lakshmana Sarma, "WHO" has said a new explanation to
this creation and dissolution and this must also be Bhagavan
Ramana's view, since this is seen Sri Ramana Para Vidya Upanishad,
a work of 701 Sanskrit verses.

The verse reads:

The mind creates the world subject to a power (Avidya Maya)
and therefore is unable to create it to its own liking.  The mind
believing the world to be real is deluded and suffers the woes
of Samsara.  (Verse 145)

(Source:  Samvid's translation of Sri Ramana Paravidya Upanishad.)

Arunachala Siva.


Ashrams / Samdahi of Seshadri Swami and Ram Surat Kumar
« on: October 31, 2008, 10:20:44 AM »
Dear SDBC,

The "Samadhi" means a state of liberation and also a place where
the body of the liberated Jnani is interred and a small temple or tomb
is erected with Siva Lingam.  There are such temples for two other
great men in Tiruvannamalai, one for Seshadri Swami, who was
with Bhagavan Ramana and who got liberated earlier.  For the
functions connected with the internment of Seshadri Swami,
Bhagavan Ramana was present.  Another one is that of Ram Surat
Kumar, who got liberated after 2000 AD.  He was a good friend
of Asram people and he had come to Asram many times during his
lifetime.  These two Samadhis are very near to Sri Ramansramam.

Arunachala Siva.   

Ashrams / Re: Living in tent in/near the ashram?
« on: October 31, 2008, 10:05:23 AM »
Dear friend,

You can stay in the Asram guest houses for a maximum period of
three days.  Perhaps for visitors, who are coming from far off places,
the Asram authorities may permit more time.  Sleeping in a tent
is impossible in front of the Asram or nearby because the town is
quite crowded and the Asram is right in a national highway.  The
best thing is to find a cheap accommodation, one room with bathing
and toiler facilities, as a paying guest in someone's house.

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes.  He is the Unseen Presence. 

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Inventions from the pure mind.
« on: October 31, 2008, 09:58:24 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli, As Dr. Raju said, the scientific inventions/
discoveries are the objective experiences, and perhaps may
fatten the egos of the scientists.  I am not sure.  But Dr. Einstein,
after the discovery of general theory of relativity, has said:

"These are all nothing.  I want to know the God's mind.  The rest
are all details!"   

He has also said once the following, which are inscribed in his
room in Syracuse University:

"I believe in God who is very subtle!"

Arunachala Siva.