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General topics / Re: a commentary on "who am I"
« on: November 22, 2008, 10:27:29 AM »
Dear Matthias,

I will not inform Sri Ramanasramam.  As you might have already
experienced through your practices, there is no Neo-Advaita.
Advaita is as old and as beginningless as the Self.  There can only
be neo-Hegelism and Neo-marxism.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Upadesha Saram
« on: November 21, 2008, 04:51:26 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju,

Yes.  I remember the story of Papaji and I think I wrote it under
Reflections of the Golden Eyes, the series which have now been pruned.
Bhagavan Ramana said the same thing, to all dual experiencers. 

Dear srkudai,

The non-ego experience is the Pure Experience, and Bhagavan
Ramana called it as Wakeless Wakefulness, Dreamless Dream and
Sleepless Sleep and flabbergasted the devotees in the Hall.  All
our other experiences that we have in the world, even though the
Self is always within us, are experiences marred by the ego. 

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Upadesha Saram
« on: November 21, 2008, 03:13:53 PM »
Meditating on the Godhead, as I am He, is the best meditation,
since it does not seek separateness as Him outside you.  Keeping
Him outside your own Self is duality and is constrained by time
and space.  As Dr. Raju said, it is the mischief of the ego.  Bhagavan
Ramana uses the Sanskrit words, 'Anya bhava' and 'A-nanya bhava'
in the Tamil verse also.

Once Krishnapremi came to see Bhagavan Ramana and Bhagavan
looked at him intently for some minutes, since the former was already
an advanced soul with visions of Krishna.  But Krishnapremi was not
impressed by Bhagavan Ramana's ways of devotion to the Self within
or surrender to the Self within.  He excused saying that he would go
to the Hills and went there and visited some places and started meditating
on Krishna.  Later he returned to the Asram and proudly informed
Bhagavan Ramana that he was playing with Krishna!  Bhagavan Ramana
said:  "Oh, it is good, but why not you see Krishna within you and instead
of playing around with Krishna outside you in the slopes of the Hills?
You, visishtadvatins are telling that Sarvam Vasudevam mayam Jagat,
but you are seeing Krishna only in front of you.  If you contemplate on
him within, then the whole world, including the Hills and the slopes,
birds and squirrels would appear as Vasudeva!"  Krishnapremi agreed
to this and found that the sentence, Sarvam Vasudevam mayam Jagat,
had been understood by him correctly only on that day."  Why Krishna
should be confined to a form, in front of you only?  Why not within
Heart, whereafter, every living and nonliving being would appear as

Later, Krishnapremi went with Bhagavan and others for a stroll on the
Hills.  He went into deep contemplation on Krishna.  Bhagavan Ramana
left him undisturbed and returned to the Asram.  It was soon lunch time.
Krishnapremi was not to be seen.  Bhagavan Ramana sent Visvantha
Swami. The latter went to Krishnapremi and said:  "You are still sitting
here.  Krishna had gone to Brindavan and is waiting for lunch.  Why don't
you rush with me and join him?  Krishnapremi once again understood
the 'ananya bhava' and returned to the Asram to sit with Bhagavan
Ramana for lunch!

Verse 8, in Tamil reads:

Aniya bhavathin Avan Aham aahum,
Ananiya bhavame Undhi Para,
Anaithinum, Uttamam Undhi Para.

(Aniya - Anya.  Avan Aham aahum - Keeping Him within.
Ananiya - Ananya.  Anaithinum Uttamam - The best of all
meditation, contemplation.)     

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Song for leaving the 'I'
« on: November 21, 2008, 01:07:34 PM »
Tiruvesaravu, the Song for leaving the 'I', by Muruganar comprises
11 verses and is in Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai.  This is modelled on
Tiruvesaravu of Saint Manikkavachagar, in Tiruvachakam.

Verse 1 reads as under:

Do not think that I am always behind the scene, and jumping
   for any talks,
And coming forward with a foolish mind to speak rubbish,
O Venkata, who always remains in Sadha-nishta, you took me,
To your golden feet, and my 'I has left for ever!

Verse 4 reads as under:

This wastrel was looking at women, was looking with other thoughts,
O Venkata, who always remain in Sadha-nishta looking at the Space,
You looked at me and lifted me from the lowly gutters,
Who was never looking within and was about to go rotten!

(Source: Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai, Tamil Verses, Muruganar.
1998 edition, Sri Ramansramam, Tiruvannamalai.  Translation
and prose rendering mine.)

Arunachala Siva.       

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Sivananda Lahari - 3
« on: November 21, 2008, 12:54:33 PM »
We shall take up the first two verses, viz., Verse No. 61 and Verse No. 76,
of Sivananda Lahari, in the order suggested by Bhagavan Ramana.

Verse 61 reads as under:

Like Angolam seeds are attracted by their own tree and get
   fixed on the tree,
Like the needles are attracted by the magnetic stone,
   like the chaste woman is charmed by her husband,
Like the creeper winds around the tree, and the rivers
   merge in the ocean,
The contemplative mind merges in your lotus feet, and
   that is the bhakti, I want to have, O Siva!

Verse 76 reads as under:-

O Siva, the destroyer of Manmatha!  The Lord of the world!
     the god who mounts on the bull!
This is full of virtues, this has got a variety of stylish stances,
     this has got a fast run,
This knows all the wishes of the Master, this has no deficiency
     and defects,
This has got all steady characters, this horse of my mind,
    please take this and travel everywhere!     

(Sivananda Lahari, Sankrit Verses, and Tamil meanings. Sri Sankara.
Sri Ramakrishna Math, Chennai.  Prose rendering mine.)

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Kalahasti Tiruppugazh
« on: November 21, 2008, 12:23:57 PM »
Kalahasti or Kalatti in Tamil, is a town of Siva temple, and is one
of the five temples, representing five elements.  This is the temple
of air, Vayu.  It is here, the famous Hunter Kannappa, one of the
63 Siva Saints got liberation in 6 days!

On this world, brought about by the lotus-seated Brahma,
   I got a birth in my mother's womb, and this body is made
    up of five elements,
With all the delusions, desires and greed, I went around women,
    lost my character and indulged in sex, got all the sufferings,
And lost my strength, contacted diseases that engulfed me,
    please give me a reformed mind and save me from this life,
You are the son of Sankari, on the left side of Sankara, with
     nice-sounding anklets, and you are also having golden
     ankelts and a rooster flag, you are Muruga!
He has got matted locks, where the moon walks, he is wearing
     angry poisonous serpents on his chest, and he is having a
     trident on his hand,  stuck on the Himalayas.
And he consumed the poison that rose from the milky ocean,
     He is the Effulgence, and you are sitting on his shoulders!
He came as a Lion, and he killed Hiranyakashyap, but continued
     to roam with uncontrollable anger, he is Vishnu and he was
     struck by the great bird Sarabha*, your Father's form!**
O, come and save me, to vanquish all the bad karmas that are
     burning me like a hot sun, you are the son of South Kailash***
     residing in Kalahasti, where Sarabha did penance for his deeds.****

(* Sarabha is a huge bird, with lion-like face and six feathers.  This
bird is said to have struck Narasimha, to quell his anger.  ** The
Sarabha is the form of Siva, called Veerabhadra, known for his
anger. *** South Kailash is another name for Kalahasti. ****
Veerabhadra did penance in Kalahasti, to wash his sins of striking

(Source:  Tiruppugazh, Arunagrinatha. Tamil Verses. Tiruppugazh
Devotees' Group, New Delhi.  Prose rendering my own.)

Arunachala Siva.       

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Skandar Andati
« on: November 21, 2008, 12:01:30 PM »
Skandar Andati of Arunagiri Natha has got  beautiful verses,
full and through.  Verse 56, which describes the love pangs
of the maiden, reads as under:

Thennavanam, The coconut groves, and flower gardens abound
     in Tiruttani, Tiruparankundram and Tiruchengode, where
     you reside with your Spear.  (Thenna-vanam, Coconut groves.)

Thennavan-am, the god of the South, Yama, when he came to
     pull Markandeya with his whip, he was kicked by Siva and
     you are his valourous sun. (Thennavan-am, the god of south, Yama)

Thennavan-anga, the king of South Madurai, Nedumaran, who was
    a hunchback, was suffering from incurable fever, and you* cured
    him with your holy ashes. (Thennavan-anga. the body of the king
    of South Madurai.)

Thenna-anagan, the god without body, Anangan, Manmatha is shooting
    flower arrows on me, with his sugarcane bow, please cure me
    with your marital garland.  (Thanna-anangan, the bodiless god

(* The Pandya King, Nedumaran who was hunch back, and who
was the supporter of Jainas, once suffered from high incurable
fever and that could not be cured by Jainas, with their peacock
feathers.  Jnana Sambandha, who is an avatara of Skanda went
to the king and with his holy ashes, not only cured his high incurable
fever, but also set right his hunchback.  Then, he debated with Jainas
and won them, with Saiva Siddhanta philosophy.)

(Source: Skandar Andati, Tiruppugazh, Tamil Verses.  Tiruppugah
Devotees' Group, New Delhi.  Prose rendering, my own.)

Arunachala Siva.       

Eripattha Nayanar was born in warrior class, and he was a local
chieftain of a town called Karur, near Tiruchirappalli, on the banks
of Kaveri.  He was having a sword on his hand and was punishing the
enemies of Siva devotees, and so he is called 'Eripattha' Sword Wielding
Chieftain.  He was himself a great Siva devotee.  One day, the elephant
of Chozha King was walking on the streets, suddenly grew beserk and
was hitting at people on the road.  People ran for safety. One brahmin
was coming from the opposite direction with a basket full of flowers,
for Siva worship, and the elephant snatched the basket, threw the
flowers on the road and also injured the brahmin who fell down crying.
On hearing the sound, Eriptthar came running, saw the mad elephant,
and with anger, he cut its trunk into several pieces.  The elephant fell
on the ground in a pool of blood. 

The Chozha King on coming to know the incident, came with a group
of warriors to the town, to punish the person, who had killed the elephant.  He met the brahmin and also Eripatthar.  On knowing that
his elephant had committed the sin of throwing away the flowers for
the Siva pooja and also injured the brahmin, he drew his sword out
to commit suicide.  Eripatthar saw this and told the king:  O king,
I have punished the elephant.  Why should you commit suicide? For
killing the royal elephant, I should only be punished!  He swiftly took
the king's sword to kill himself.  Suddenly, Siva appeared before them,
and blessed all the three. He raised the dead elephant and gave a new
basket of flowers to the brahmin.  He then told Eripatthar, 'O my
servant,  I appreciate your Siva bhakti. Do service to the king, the
citizens of Karur and me in the Temple and come to me as you wish.'

Eripatthar lived upto a ripe age, did all the services for Siva and his
devotees in Karur and then disappeared as an effulgence into the
Siva temple.

(Source:  Periya Puranam, Sekkizhar. Tamil Verses. Prose rendering
my own.)

Arunachala Siva.     

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Song for leaving the 'I'
« on: November 21, 2008, 10:34:01 AM »
Tiru Vesaravu, or the Song of leaving the 'I' is a composition in
Tiruvachakam, of Manikkavachagar.  Muruganar has also got
a compositon with the same name, modelled on Manikkavachagar's
in Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai.

Verse 4 reads as under:

Keeping the poisonous snakes all around you, O the god of
   matted locks,
You showed me your lotus-feet and saved me, this servant,
I do not want to pray to other small gods, Oh, Oh,
How can I explain your wisdom which has cleansed my heart?

Verse 10 reads as under:

What penances have I done?  I only chant Sivaya Namah,
Siva came on his own and entered my Heart
And graced as honey and nectar, this lowly servant, Oh! how sweet!
I hate this body, this life and this individual soul, I want to punish these!

(Source: Tiruvachakam, Tamil Verses, Saiva Siddhanta Book Publishing
House, Chennai. Prose rendering, my own.)

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: a commentary on "who am I"
« on: November 21, 2008, 10:24:58 AM »
Dear Matthias,

Dr. Raju has answered your point succinctly.  As there are bogus
ascetics, there are bogus Who am I? also.  I would like to inform
Sri Ramanasramam, about it.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles Do Happen
« on: November 21, 2008, 10:22:22 AM »
Desur Akhilandamma, also referred to as, Desuramma, was a young
widow and was from a lower caste.  She used to bring food to Bhagavan
Ramana both in Virupakshi Cave and in Skandasramam.  She used to
bring food in a small pot, adequate enough to feed Bhagavan Ramana,
Pazhaniswami and herself.  She ate at the end, on Bhagavan Ramana's
leaf-plate and Bhagavan Ramana allowed this practice, for her, as a
very special case.

One day, she took food and went to the Cave, as usual.  To her suprise,
about 5 or 6 heads of Saiva Siddhanta Mutts in and around Tiruvannamalai were talking to Him.  At the time of food, Pazhaniswami asked Bhagavan,
whether they could adjourn for food.  Desuramma was worried that the
food might not be sufficient for all of them.  She grew nervous and restless.  Bhagavan Ramana replied:  Let us wait for some more time. 

Suddenly, a group of two or three persons came to the Cave.  They were carrying a large vessel full of cooked rice, dhal, and vegetable curries!
Bhagavan Ramana looked at Desuramma and smiled.  The food was
more than adequate for all the people on that day!

(Source:  The Power of the Presence.  3-volumes. David Godman,
Sold by Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai.)
Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

There is nothing wrong in praying to God for good results.  It is the
natural human behaviour.  The only thing that we should learn is
that we should accept even the bad results as God's prize to us,
since even in such bad results there could be something good within,
but without being known through our empirical knowledge.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: a commentary on "who am I"
« on: November 21, 2008, 10:09:09 AM »
Dear Matthias,

Regarding Who am I?, it is a simple 8-page teaching which can be
easily understood by anyone who has been brought up under Hindu
traditions.  In case, you find that there is any shocking in the text
that you are referrring from that web.text, please let me know.  I
shall clarify the correct position, as far as I know, to you.  I do not
want to read that full text myself.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Upadesha Saram
« on: November 20, 2008, 03:37:59 PM »
Dear srkudai,

This was heatedly discussed in the blog of David Godman.  He agreed
that there could be Visions which are different from feverish imaginations.
Sankara "seeing" the Chandala, as Siva in Kasi (the famous Manisha
Panchakam), many Siva saints "seeing" Siva on the bull with Uma,
Tyagaraja "seeing" Sri Rama, after 960 million Rama Japa and Sankarananda Bharati "seeing" Skanda as Ramana, are Visions.  My
grandfather in his death bed,  "saw" Yama sitting on the alarm clock was definitely a feverish imagination.  Kavyakanta Ganapati Sastri had vision of Bhagavan Ramana as Skanda.  But David does not agree that Bhagavan Ramana as the avatara of Kumarila Bhatta and Jnana Sambandha.  He
said that both Sankara and Kumarila Bhatta and Jnana Sambandha lived
as contemporaries, with a few years' of age difference, and hence Bhagavan Ramana could not be an avatara of both Kumarila Bhatta
and Jnana Sambandha.  The ages of these saints have not been conclusively proved, so this is an open debate.  But  I agreed
to both the Visions and the avatara conclusions.  When Sankara
went to Tiruvidaimaruthur, a small town near Swamimalai, the Saiva
Siddhantis said that only Siva is Brahman and the Saiva Siddhanta alone
is the correct philosophy.  Sankara said that he did not have any quarrel
in calling Siva as Brahman, but Advaita is the only Truth.  They all
went to the Siva temple in that town, where Siva is called Madharjuna,
the Lord of the jasmine flowers.  Sankara recited Vivekachoodamani
and finally proclaimed:  Advaitam Paramam Satyam, three times. A hand
appeared from Siva Linga, and said, : Yes. Advaitam  Paramam Satyam.

Even this story for that matter, could be a feverish imgaination.  But
one has to accept both the views.  But Visions and feverish imaginations
both happen to the person concerned , and not to others.  I do not know whether the Saiva Siddhantis could "see" Siva's hand, but they heard the
reverbrations: Advaitam Paramam Satyam.  But again, as in any Indian
classical stories, there is no proof of records fixing the age of such happenings.  That is why, there is such a big fight on Ramar Sethu,
the Adam's Bridge issue.  Who can say that Kalidasa saw Ujjain
Mahakali?  We have only his Shyamala Dhandakam.  Both the views
have to be accepted till one of the two things or both are proved.

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Upadesha Saram
« on: November 20, 2008, 01:46:20 PM »
Dear Matthias,

I am glad to know about japa and the effects and the peace that
passeth understanding.  Please continue to do this.  This is a case
of energy solidifying into matter.  This is not Siddhi.  It is much more
sublime, because you only see the energy getting transformed into
matter and it is not for outsider's wonderment.  Saint Tyagraja who
was a great Rama devotee, is said to have chanted Rama japa,
960 million times and Lord Rama appeared before him?  How come?
The vibrations, which are magnetic energy solidified into a Form, matter.
This is simply Einstein's relativity, and it is true and nothing but true.
Keep it up and make it everyday.  If thoughts disturb you, it does not
matter.  Pursue the mantra.

The Namasivaya becomes a continual monotone behind your activity.  I chant Arunachala Siva, during the day and a  number of times, in bed, before falling asleep.  Whenever I get up after midnight for drinking water,
the mantra continues, from within.  When I get up again in the morning,
it continues.  It is like flow of an oil.

Arunachala Siva.