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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: The best Books
« on: January 29, 2009, 04:26:27 PM »
Dear srkudai,

1. Living by the words of Sri Bhagavan - Annamalai Swami is
out of stock.  A new edition may come in due course. I also
do not have this book.

2. Padamalai, Muruganar.  There is a splendid translation by
David Godman.  He has covered about 1700 verses out of 3000
plus, but arranged subject wise, with cross references to numerous
other books and incidents.  This is available in Sri Ramanasramam,
for Rs 250 plus courier charges.

3. Sri Sadhu Om's books, out of 4, three volumes have been rendered into English, under the title The Path of Sri Ramana.
This is also available in Sri Ramanasramam.  The third volume,
is Tamil poetry, which is not translated.

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles Do Happen
« on: January 29, 2009, 12:04:43 PM »
M.A. Piggot came to Bhagavan Ramana in 1932-33, even though it was not his first visit to India.  Earlier, he had visited Bombay and
Calcutta.  As soon as he entered the Hall, he had unique experiences,
which he writes:

For a while nothing happened.  I tried to concentrate my mind. Suddenly, I became conscious that the Maharshi  eyes were fixed on me. They seemed literally like burning coals of fire piercing through one.  They glittered in the dim light.  Never before had I experienced anything so devastating -- in fact it was almost frightening.  what I went through in that terrible half hour, in a way of self condemnation and scorn for the pettiness of my own life, would be difficult to describe.  Not that he criticized, even in slience -- of that he was incapable -- but in the light of perfection all imperfections are revealed.  To show how little responsible he was for my feelings, he told me later on that doubting, self distrust and self depreciation are some of the greatest hindrances in the realization of Reality.

Before my departure, I asked the Maharshi:

What is the relation of the body to the 'I'. 

He smiled and then said:

"You came from the bungalow this morning in a cart.  Yet you do not say: 'The cart came up.'  You say: 'I came up.'  You did not make the mistake of identifying yourself with the cart.  In the same way, look upon your body as you do the cart.  Treat it well and it will be a good servant and instrument. But do not be deceived into thinking it is 'I'.  Do not look for the results.  Do what is right in the given moment, and leave it behind you."

And I left Tiruvannamalai.  In the dawn of the next morning, I caught a glimpse of Arunachala, the Holy Mountain, on which lives one of the greatest saints of earth.  It was red and glowing in the rising sun.  I wept.

(Source: Fragrant Petals. An anothology. Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai.)

Arunachala Siva.       

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: The best Books
« on: January 29, 2009, 11:39:17 AM »
Dear srkudai,

Yes, these are the best books to know and understand Bhagavan
Ramana's Life and Teachings.  I only add 1) Sri Ramana Gita,
of Kavyakanta Ganapati  Sastri, with the commentary of Kapali
Sastri and 2) Viveka Choodamani, Bhagavan Ramana's Prose Version
(about 70 pages) of Sankara's book of same title.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Details about the Heart
« on: January 29, 2009, 11:24:08 AM »
On 25th April 1937, Sri B.V. Narasimha Swami is in the Asramam to prepare the third editon of his English translation of Sri Bhagavan's
Upadesa Saram, with his own commentary.  He requests the Master to give Him some more details about Heart and its movements.
Sri Bhagavan said:

Heart is the seat of Jnanam as well as of the granthi (the knot of ignorance).  It is represented in the physical body by a hole smaller than pin-point, which is always shut.  When the mind drops down
in Kevala Nirvikalpa, it opens but shuts again after it. When Sahaja is attained, it opens for good.

The granthi is the knot which ties the insentient body to the Consciousness which functions in it.  That is why, when it is loosened temporarily in Kevala Nirvikalpa, there is no body consciouness.

I used to feel the vibrations of the Heart, which resemble those of a dynamo, even in school. * When I developed rigor mortis many years ago in Tiruvannamalai, every object and sensation disappeared, except these vibrations.  It was as if a dark screen before my eyes
and shut the world completely from me, but of course, I was all along conscious of the Self, with a vague feeling that someone was crying near me. This state continued till just before I regained physical consciousness when I felt something rush from the Heart to the left chest and re-established life in the body.

A sudden fear, sudden joy, or a shock makes the Heart vibrate very forcefully,** so that it can be felt by anyone who pays attention to it. Otherwise, it is felt only in Samadhi.

(* This was in the Hills, near Tortoise Rock, when Vasudeva Sastri
was near Bhagavan.  Vasudeva Sastri started crying on seeing Bhagavan's rigor mortis.  ** This has been explained in Who am I?)

(Source: Guru Ramana. S.S. Cohen. Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai)

Arunachala Siva.     

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / What is Nirvana?
« on: January 29, 2009, 11:09:49 AM »
A visitor asked the meaning of Nirvana.

Bhagavan: Nirvana is that state wherein the sense of separateness does not exist and where the ego is sunk in its Source, the Heart.

Cohen had read a book called Nirvana, written by a prominent Theosophist, in which the author claimed to have exprienced Nirvana, after going to sleep, in which he 'saw the Masters' as vivd centres of light in the ocean of Light which is Nirvana, which Cohen
could not reconcile with Sri Bhagavan's teachings. So he asked the Master about it.

Bhagavan:  Nirvana is the Perfect State.  There is neither seeing, hearing, nor expeiencing in it.  There is nothing but the pure 'I am'
Awareness.  The Nirvana you describe from your reading is sheer
imagination.... Well, this and other similar movements are good,
in as much as, they make man unselfish and prepare him for the highest Truth.  Service also leads to the same goal -- Self Realizatioon, -- it is selfless.

Cohen: But after how long and why, should one who is ready for the Absolute Knowledge go in for the relative?

Bhagavan:  Everything happnes in its own time.  One who is ready for the Absolute will be made somehow to hear of it and then start the practice.  He will immediately recognize the value of Atma Vidya, and will follow it up with determination.

(Source: Guru Ramana. S.S. Cohen. Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles Do Happen
« on: January 29, 2009, 11:00:27 AM »
Viswanatha Swami who came to Bhagavan Ramana first in 1921,
at Skandasramam writes:

At the first darshan of Bhagavan Ramana, I saw in Him something
quite arresting which clearly distinguished Him from all others
I had seen.  He seemed to live apart from the physical frame,
quite detached from it.  His look and smile had a remarkable spiritual charm. When He spoke, words seemed to come out of an abyss. One could see immaculate purity and non attachment in Him and His
movements.  In His vincinity the mind's distractions were overpowered by an austere and potent calmsness.  In His Presence the unique bliss of peace was directly exprienced.  This, I could call Ramana Lahari.

When I first saw Bhagavan, He was standing on the open space in front of the ashram building.  The very sight of Him thrilled me.  Something very subtle, seemingly with its centre in that body, shone forth, without limitation, engulfing everything else. Needless to say that I felt swallowed up by it.

Finding that I knew a little Sanskrit, Bhagavan asked me to take a copy of Sri Ramana Gita and give it to my father.  However it was only at the end of 1922, that I myself happened to go through the thrilling verses in praise of Bhagavan Ramana that comprise the eighteenth chapter of Sri Ramana Gita.... It was the reading of Sri
Ramana Gita, at this critical juncture of my life, that made me decide that my spritual future lay with Bhagavan.

I returned to Bhagavan for good on the evening of January 2nd

(Source: The Power of the Presence. David Godman. Volume 2.)

Arunachala Siva.     

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles Do Happen
« on: January 29, 2009, 10:38:54 AM »
G. Ramaswamy Pillai writes:

In the presence of Sri Bhagavan, actions took place spontaneously of their own accord.  Now when we think of them after a lapse of years we find them to be 'natural miracles'.  It was as if Bhagavan Himself unmoving held us as captives and allowed us all to play, as if He were the screen and we figure on it.

Once Sri S. Doraiswami Iyer, Dr. Srinivasa Rao and others were going by car from Bangalore to Pondicherry and they stopped at
Sri Ramanasramam to have darshan of Bhagavan. They were to stay only for a few hours, their car had some minor repairs to be done and it was sent to the town. When Doraiswami Iyer was talking to
Bhagavan, I was present in the Hall.  He was recounting how when they passed through Chengam (20 miles from Tiruvannamalai), their car had grazed an old woman who then fell down, and this had caused some delay. Immediately, Bhagavan Ramana asked with some concern: "What is her condition now? Has she been attended to?"   I who was merely a silent listener, immediately felt that I should go to Chengam.  Without telling anyone, (not that I did not want to tell, but the thought never occurred), I took my cycle went to Chengam and on enquiry at the hospital there, found out that there was no injury to the old woman and that she was attended to, and sent home. I was satisfied.  I returned cycling, came to the Asramam and reported everything to Bhagavan.

The party, who could not have their car repaired, had meanwhile gone to the Railway Station to catch a train for Pondicherry. Presuming that they would go only after the car came back, Sri
Niranjananada Swami had prepared dosais for them to eat and he was expressing disappointment that they had left without eating them. I volunteered with joy to take the eatlbles to the station. I had just then returned after cycling nearly 45 miles. I took the dosais
and eatables, gave them to the party and after telling them about the satisfactory condition of the woman, who was injured in Chengam, and returned to the Asramam.

The point to note here is:  Bhagavan did not ask me to do anything, but He impelled me from within to do all this.  This is the miracle.
To cycle nearly 50 miles without anyone's prompting, and without any urgent need for it and even without any personal satisfaction,
(the party was not close to me) to do all this without thinking why
means that it was done in the Presence (Sannidhi) of the Master!
His concern for the old woman and solicitude for His devotees made me do all this with no strain and no thought of myself.

Bhagavan used to perform many such miracles and play with His
devotees, especially those close to Him!

(Source: Fragrant Petals. An anthology.  Sri Ramanasramam,

Arunachala Siva.         

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles Do Happen
« on: January 29, 2009, 10:18:03 AM »
G. Ramaswami Pillai says:

After coming to Bhagavan Ramana, I never missed the Mahadeepam
(lighting of the Beacon on top of Arunachala), even once.  Once in
1930s, I was held up in Chidambaram just before Mahadeepam. I
tried to reach Tiruvannamalai either by train or by bus, but owning to heavy rains and floods, none of them were being run.  My anxiety to reach Arunachala was such that I decided to walk the whole distance.  But lo, when I cam to a bridge over a river on the way,
I found it had been washed away.

I returned disappointed and spent the night cyring.  Then I had a vivid vision, which was definitely not a dream, for I had not slept.
I saw the Holy Hill clearly and the bright tongues of flame leaping up from the kindled beacon.  I was thrilled. It was the very night of
Mahadeepam. Arunachala Ramana had showered His grace on His
devotee who was miles away from Arunachala at the time!  Such is the glory of Arunachala Ramana!

(Source: Fragrant Petals. An anthology. Sri Ramanasramam,

Arunachala Siva.

Dear srkudai,

Yes. God, Brahman, Siva, Narayana, Allah, Buddham, Arhat are all
names given for the sake of the convenience of reglionists and
philosophers.  The Self is beyond name and form and IS JUST IS.
To deny its existence, is to deny one's own self.

When some one asked Bhagavan Ramana, whether God is having
five faces and three eyes, fully naked and having two wives, Uma and Ganga (Siva), He replied:  "Why not?  When you can have two eyes, one nose and a body with two hands and two legs, why not
God?  Everything is bhavana.  All bhavana ceases when one can
experience Sad bhavana within. 

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Miracles Do Happen
« on: January 29, 2009, 09:57:56 AM »
Dear srkudai,

Yes, Bhagavan Ramana had pain.  When asked, "is it paining?"
Bhagavan Ramana replied: "The body is paining!"  He groaned
and grimaced during that period, particularly at night.  Bhagavan
Ramana has said in one of His conversations: "Yes, a Jnani would
also have pain, but it would be as if in a dream."  Saiva Siddhantis say that prarabdha will have to be gone through by Sivajnanis but
the prarabdha will be "thinned" by Siva.  Kindly read the book
Guru Ramana of S.S. Cohen, particularly the last 30 pages, where
Cohen writes about Bhagavan Ramana's life from Jan 1949 to
Apr 1950.

Arunachala Siva.       

General Discussion / Re: Disturbing News
« on: January 29, 2009, 09:50:31 AM »
Dear Disciple,

I also saw a TV programme on the issue of iron ore mining in
Vediappan Malai.  Jindal is trying to get approval from Government.
Fortunately, for the present, after obtaining the public opinion of
the villagers in and around, about 20000 people, the Government
has postponed the decision to give approval to Jindal.  The proposed
iron ore mining, will affect the eco system of the villages and the villagers' lives.  It will cause break in the girivalam route to an
extent of 1.5. kms and government will have to lay new road,
a diversion route, for this stretch.  We can only hope and pray that
this project should not come through.  Bhagavan Ramana will
take care.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Extreme Responses
« on: January 28, 2009, 04:42:07 PM »
It is said that extremeity of emotions or lack of emotions on extreme
situations, extreme actions or total inaction or extreme reaction to events or total passiveness -- all these are displayed by devotees
for merging with the Godhead.  Srimad Bhagavadam says about nine types of bhakti.  Even extreme fear towards Krishna, made Kamsa
merge with Him.  We know Sri Ramakrishna.  With extreme passion to see Kali,he took upon the sword to kill himself and he had a darshan.  Appoothi Adigal, in the stories of 63 Saints, kept quiet to
complete feeding of Saint Tirunavukkarasar, even when he knew that son had died due to snake biting, in the backyard.  Saint
Manikkavachagar says in Tiruvachakam:  Can I not get you by weeping?  This display of extreme emotions in a devotee makes him
see God.  Saint Tyagaraja chanted Rama nama, 96 crores times to have a vision of Sri Rama.  Saint Poet Vemana and Leela Sukar
were passionate womanizers, before they realized the Godhead.

Even though such things are not  pre requisite for vision of God,
some saints who had the vision, were displaying such extreme emotions. 

Bhagavan Ramana says in Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai:

1. You melted me like a snow flake that melts in water.

2. You tonsured me and made me dance in you, naked.

3. Were you not there, when the five thieves came to my house to
rob me?  I think, this is also your game!

4. I am like a ripe fruit. Please consume me, lest it becomes over-ripe and rotten.

5. Please take my garland and give me your garland. 

Arunachala Siva.     

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Viswanatha Swami
« on: January 28, 2009, 04:02:08 PM »
Viswanatha Swami who was related to Bhagavan Ramana, his father
was a cousin of Bhagavan Ramana, came to Him when He was in
Skandasramam.  He was a Gandhian, a learned man in Tamil and
Sanskrit.  In fact, when he asked some doubts on Taittriya Upanisad,
Bhagavan Ramana directed him to Kavyakanta Ganapati Sastri.

He came to Bhagavan Ramana, for good in Jan 1923.  He stayed with Him throughout, left politics and was a brahmachari.  He says:
The power of the Presence was so great, that I did not even need any Sadhana.  He spent sometime with Kavyakanta Ganapati Sastri
in Sirsi.

He has not written any large books, excepting the 108 Holy Names of
Sri Bhagavan, which is sung even today in the Asramam.  He has,
of course, written a moving account of the last days before Maha Nirvana of Bhagavan Ramana.  His account and the accounts of Arthur Osborne and S.S. Cohen are the most moving acounts on
that last days of Bhagavan on the earth.  He has also rendered English translations of Upadesa Saram and Five Hymns.  He has
written brief translations on Bhagavad Gita Saram and Sri Ramana Gita and Ashtavakra Gita.

Arunachala Siva.         

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Miracles Do Happen
« on: January 28, 2009, 03:51:11 PM »
Dear srkudai,

I observe that the following aspects are very special to Bhagavan

1. His Self realization was sudden.  He has Himself said that there
was no element of time in that.  Biographers have written that it
took about 15 to 20 minutes for Him.

2.  He had never gone through any scriptures.  Whatever little
He had read before Self Realization, were devotional poems and stories, and not on advaita per se.

3.  He never knew the word  Brahman, at the time when He realized
the Self.

4. He kept mum and avoided eating, not as a "tapas".  He just dwelt in the bliss of Self, with the result He had no liking to speak or eat!
Even after nature  calls, in the early years,  He had, on many occasions no washing!

5. All that He read later in Tiruvannamalai, was for the sake of others, for clarifying certain points or as in the case of Pazhaniswami, He read them because Pazhaniswami could not read Tamil!

6. All that He wrote, perhaps with the exception of Arunachala Patigam and Arunachala Ashtakam, was for the sake of others.

7. He never wore ochre robes.

8. His teaching, if at all you call it as teaching, was consistently on self enquiry.  For a few people who could not go to self enquiry directly, He advised them simple mantras like Siva..Siva...Rama..Rama.

9.  He died a death after an incurable disease, with all the tribulations, as anyone else.   He only expresssed a very little pain at the final period,  say, one month.   

10. He gave liberation to His mother, which even Sankara did not do.

Arunachala Siva.         

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles Do Happen
« on: January 28, 2009, 10:02:12 AM »
N.V. Gunaji writes:

When there is a sincere desire on the part of the a devotee to
see Bhagavan Ramana and a determination to do so, Bhagavan
helps him miraculously and meets him half way.  From the moment,
I decided to see Bhagavan Ramana, everything helped me.

I wanted to know about the Asramam and also about Bhagavan.
I went to Madhavpur near Belgaum for purchasing books of the
Asramam and enquired about a man called Mr. Sukhdev. The man who was tending to cattle and to whom I enquired was Mr. Sukhdev!
He gave me all information and books and told me to meet Messrs
Karuguppi and Navkot who had seen Bhagavan Ramana to get an
introduction.    When I went to them, they told me that there was
no need for an introduction at all but I could meet one Sundaresa
Iyer, who was a local school teacher.   When I entered  the Asramam around 6 PM on 3rd January 1935, in the Hall where everyone was
meditating, one man told me:  Bhagavan Ramana has gone up to the Hills for a stroll.  He further asked me:  Are you Gunaji?  After seeing Bhagavan Ramana, I asked him who he was.  He said: I am Sundaresa Iyer, the local school teacher!

I later told Bhagavan Ramana after quoting a song of Saint Sairoba, " O Bhagavan Ramana!  If you are going to give us anything, please give us this.  our ego should vanish, our vision should be focussed
on the Self, thought should stop and the world should be no more!

Hearing this, Bhagavan Ramana was mightily pleased. He stretched Himself up and in a loud voice proclaimed: "Take take as much as you like. Get in, get in."    The features of Bhagavan Ramana at that moment were a sight for the gods to see!

(Source: Fragrant Petals. An anthology. Sri Ramanasramam,

Arunachala Siva.