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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / The glory of Madurai - 2
« on: February 13, 2009, 12:25:27 PM »
Vaigai is the river in Madurai.  It becomes full or partly filled only
during monsoon.  Otherwise it is near dry and marshy.  Bhagavan
Ramana used to go for swimming with His friends to river Vaigai,
when He was in Madurai.  Of course, this was before the great day
in August 1896.

There is one holy name in Sri Ramana Ashottaram of Viswanatha Swami.  This is No. 15. Om Sri Dwadhasandha Mahastala Labda
Vidyodaya Namah.  Salutations to One who got the Vidya in Dwadhasandham, that is Madurai.  It denotes 12 centres, that is,
six centres still above Sahasrara, where Sakti dances.   

Vaigai had been the scene of many actions.  When Kundodhara,
Siva's friend who attended Siva's wedding with Meenakshi and ate
all the food and cried for waters to drink, Siva is said to have to created this river, by asking Kundodhara to keep his hand on the ground.

Vaigai is also mentioned by Manikkavachagar.  When  sudden floods came in Vaigai, the king asked everyone to place a headload of
sands on the banks of the river to stop the flooding.  One old lady who was selling sweet rice pudding, could not do her job.  Siva appeared before her as a boy and asked for the pudding, promising to do her portion of work in carrying headload of sands to the river bed.  She did feed him but  the boy  did not do the work but was sleeping on the banks of river.  When the king came and checked, the old pudding seller pointed fingers at the boy who is her proxy for the work.  The king went to the sleeping boy, woke him up and beat him for his error of omission!  The beating with king's stick was felt by everyone in the city including the king.  The king understood the holy play and sought Siva's forgiveness.

Saint Manikkavavchagar sings:

O you made the foxes into horses,
And made all the world to know your glory,
You made the great king go mad with your jugglery,
O the Floods of Pandya kingdom! King of Tiruperundurai!
O the Rare One, I pray to you!

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / The glory of Madurai
« on: February 13, 2009, 11:19:03 AM »
Madurai has got many glorious past history.  It was primarily ruled by Pandya Kings and this was their capital.  This is where the Third
Tamil Sangam was established and Nakkirar was the Head.  Nakkirar
the celebrated poet fought with Siva over a literary point and Siva has to punish him for finding fault with His poetry.  He suffered burns in the body, went to Pazhamudir Cholai and performed tapas.
During his meditation, he was tricked by a demon and imprisoned.
Muruga saved him, by killing the demon.  Nakkirar sang here the famous Tiru Murugatru Padai.

Somasundara, Siva of Madurai is famous for his 64 holy plays in
Madurai. He made Nedumaran, the Pandya King, to get cured from the burning sickness, through Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.  Nedurmaran who had embraced Jainism also returned to Saivism thereafter.

Later during Manikkavachagar's time, around 6th C.AD. Siva made a lot of plays here.  He helped Manikkavachagar from the wrath of the king for having misused the money given by the king to Manikkavachagar for buying horses, with which the saint constructed
Tiru Perundurai temple! Siva made foxes into horses and 'sold' them to king.  The horses at nightfall became foxes and created hell. When the king wanted to punish the saint Manikkavachagar, Siva intervened and saved the saint.

In another interesting play, a girl married a boy, in secrecy, without parents' approval with one Vanni Tree, a well and Siva as witnesses.
When the boy disowned her later, she called the witnesses inside the temple, before the King and these three appeared inside the temple.
Even today, there is a well, a Siva Linga and a Vanni tree inside the temple.  There are 64 such plays, sung in Tiru Vilaiyadal Puranam, by Sage Paranjoti in Tamil.  This work was composed around 11th century.

Regardless of Siva's plays and tricks, it is Meenakshi, the Princess
and the daughter of Malayadvaja Pandya, who steals the show.  She is more famous in Madurai, than Siva, Sri Somasundara.  Unlike Chidambaram, where Siva, Nataraja,  takes all the glory, and Sivakami, the goddess is a mute consort.

In Tiruvannamalai, they carry equal importance, with Siva and
Sakti, concorporate.

Arunachala Siva.         

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Pilgrimage to Madurai
« on: February 13, 2009, 11:02:23 AM »
My Madurai trip was sudden and without preplanning.  My wife's relative was having his 80th birthday and we decided to go.  We took my wife's sister also.  The car trip was tedious with about
10 hours running time.

We saw Sri Meenakshi temple.  This temple is getting spruced up
for 12 year maha kumbabhisheka, which is going to take place
in a few months.  We also visited Tiruparangundram, the First
Abode of Muruga, where He married Deivanayaki, Indra's daughter.
We also saw Pazhamudir Cholai, the Sixth Abode of Muruga. Both these places are near Madurai on either side of the city.  Both are
classical temples sung by Nakkirar in Tiru Murugatrupadai, a Sangam work of 3rd Century AD.

The most important visit was to Sri Ramana Mandiram, the house
where Bhagavan Ramana attained Self Realization at the age of 16 in 1896. The house is a small one, in the narrow street called Chokkanatha Street near Southern Towers.  The area is busy with many shops and activities.  As one enters the house, there is a ground floor, which can accommodate about 30 people for meditation. There is a photograph of Bhagavan Ramana with Arunachala backdrop.  The incense sticks are burning. There is total silence, with some meditating there all the time.  A few books of the Asramam are sold.  When you negotiate the winding staircase and go to the first floor, you find the small room, where Bhagavan Ramana had the death experience in 1896 and attained the Self Realization.
There is a photograph of Bhagavan taken in Virupaksha Cave, when He was 21.  Incense sticks are burning. About 5 or 6 can meditate at a time.  This room is brimming with vibrations!  I looked at Him and sat a few minutes, shedding tears at Siva Kumara, the son of Siva.
If you look at Him, He looks at you, with boundless grace!

I am told that Vedaparayna takes place daily in the morning around 6 am.  In the evening, there are discourses or book reading by a group of people.  All festivals like Kartigai, Aruna Vijayam Day, Birthday,
Maha Nirvana Day, Amma's Maha Nirvana Day are celebrated in simple style.  One Mr. Kondal Raju is the Secretary of the Mandiram. I could not of course see him. I telephoned to him at his tour place,

Sri Ramana Mandiram is a place to see for Ramana devotees, whenever they are in Southern Tamil Nadu.  Tiruchuzhi the birthplace of Bhagavan Ramana is about 40 km from here, but I could not make it.

Arunachala Siva. 

Ashrams / Re: Invoking Arunachala
« on: February 13, 2009, 10:33:41 AM »
Dear vinita,

Excellent.  Arunachala Siva is a Maha mantra.  It has helped me
and many others. And Bhagavan has said it. So, it should help
you too.  A Runa means the Effulgence which burns up all runa,
debts (of birth, karma, and miseries due to adi bhoudika and adi daivika).     

Arunachala Siva.

Ashrams / Re: Guide me...
« on: February 13, 2009, 10:29:34 AM »
Dear vinita,

Yes. Bhagavan Ramana only said to enquire, Who am I? and not
Who are We? or Who are You?  Each one, according to his inclination.
But He said not to change the Guru, unless there is a strong inner
call.  The Guru need not be a living Guru, since the Guru is the Self
and the self has no beginning, no end, ever present, beyond death and birth.  For example, David Godman came to Tiruvannamalai many years after Bhagavan Ramana's Maha Nirvana.

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: I AM meditation
« on: February 13, 2009, 10:22:48 AM »
Dear disciple, soham3, munagala and others,

1. For spiritual seekers, Bhagavan Ramana recommended only the Heart Centre.  The feelings of 'effulgence', 'effervescence' (as
the Israeli lady Shian told me in Tiruvannamalai) are felt here.

2.  Heat in crown centre is in the yogic practice.  Bhagavan Ramana
did not recommend this, and said concentrate on the Heart Centre,
by bringing the focus to Heart Centre. 

3. Jerks, insurmountable fear,heat -- all these are the mischief of
ego, which wants supremacy.  One has to put with them or ignore them and proceed further.  I had fear many many times and I used to chant Aruanchala Siva, to arrest the fear.

4. Eventually, the Heart-Centre, also is left and you feel you are
everywhere, fully satisfied, ever vigilant and happy.

Arunachala Siva. 

Dear srkudai,

If our prarabdha decides we may have to read some books.  Bhagavan Ramana has said that "limitless reading has no use."
(Who am I?). 

I have now confined myself to reading books on/about/by
Bhagavan Ramana, advaita texts, and the twelve book on
Siva Canon, in Saiva Siddhantam.

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: An aid to self-enquiry
« on: February 13, 2009, 10:08:29 AM »
Dear silentgreen,

Welcome to Forum.

Bhagavan's ardent devotees have said many things to focus the
attention for quelling the mind from other thoughts.  I would
suggest the following:

1.  Bhagavan Ramana's photograph, particularly the one taken in
Virupaksha Cave at the age of 21.  Look at His eyes.  Whereever
you stand in front of Him, His eyes will look at you!  This is the

2. Any holy names prescribed by Bhagavan with full contemplation
on Him.  Siva, Siva or Arunachala Siva...

3. Reading WHO AM I? a few times, contemplating on Him. Reading
every sentence slowly.

4. Thinking of Arunachala Hill.

5. Thinking of Arunachaleswara, the Siva Linga, short and majestic.  My wife used to call him The Little Father!

Arunachala Siva.       

General topics / Re: Prophecy by muruganar
« on: February 13, 2009, 09:52:53 AM »
Dear munagala,

I am not sure.  Amongst Muruganar's copious writings, I have to
search for that prophecy of Muruganar.  It could be in Guru Vachaka
Kovai.  I shall let you know.  I returned from Madurai after four days
only today.

Arunachala Siva.

In May 1937, one day some one asked Bhagavan Ramana whether He had read Kamba Ramayana.

Bhagavan said: No. I have not read anything.  All my learning is limited to what I learnt before my 14th year. Since then I have had no inclination to read anything or learn.  People wonder how I speak of Bhagavad Gita, etc., It is due to heresay.  I have not read Gita nor waded through its commentaries for its meaning.  When I hear a sloka I think that its meaning is clear and I say it.  That is all and nothing more.  Similarly with my other quotations.  They come out naturally.  I realize that the Truth is beyond speech and intellect.  Why then should I project the mind to read, understand and repeat stanzas etc.?  The purpose is to know the Truth.  The purpose having been gained, there is no use engaging in studies. 

Someone remarked if Bhagavan had been inclined to study, there would not be a saint today!

Bhagavan: Probably all my studies were finished in past births and I was surfeit.  Therefore, no samskara operating now in that direction.

(Source: Talks, Munagala Venkatramaiah.)

Arunachala Siva.         

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Happiness and Misery
« on: February 08, 2009, 12:36:05 PM »
On 4th May 1937, a book was being read in which a question occurs
whether the world was created for happiness or misery.  All eyes
turned to Bhagavan Ramana for the answer.

Bhagavan:  Creation is neither good nor bad.  It is as it is.  It is the human mind, which puts all sorts of constrictions on it, as it sees things from its own angle and as it suits its own interests.  A woman is just a woman, but one mind calls her 'mother', another 'sister' and stll another 'aunt' and so on.  Men love women, hate snakes, and are indifferent to the grass and stones on the roadside.  These connections are the causes of all misery in the world.  Creation is like a peepul tree. Birds come to eat its fruit, or take shelter under its branches, men cool themselves in its shade, but some may hang themselves on it.  Yet the tree continues to lead its quiet life, unconcerened with, and unaware of, all uses it is put to.  It is the human mind that creates its own difficulties and then cries for help.  Is God so partial to give peace to one person and sorrow to another?... Whose fault is it? Is it God's or man's?

(Source: Talks, Munagala Venkatramaiah.)

Arunachala Siva.       

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Sri Chakra
« on: February 08, 2009, 12:25:36 PM »
A respectable and orthodox gentleman asked about Sri Chakra on
19th April 1937.

Bhagavan Ramana was kind enough to reply.

It has a deep significance.  There are 43 corners with sacred syllables in them.  Its worship is a method for concentration of mind.  The mind is wont to move externally.  It must be checked and turned within. Its habit is to dwell on names and forms, for all external objects possess names and forms.  Such names and forms are made symbolic mental conceptions in order to divert the mind from external objects and make it dwell within itself.  The idols, mantras, yantras are all meant to give food to the mind in its introvert state, so that it may later become capable of being concentrated, after which the superb state is reached automatically.

(Source: Talks, 19th April 1937)

Arunachala Siva.       

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Bhagavan on Heart-Centre
« on: February 08, 2009, 12:18:02 PM »
Once on 17th April 1937, some devotees asked whether it was true
that some disciples have had the privilege of feeling Bhagavan's
Heart Centre to be on the right by placing their hands on Bhagavan's
chest.  Bhagavan Ramana said: "Yes."

(Mr. Viswanatha Iyer, Narayana Reddi and others have said they felt
Bhagavan's Heart-Centre to be on the right by placing their hands on His chest.

A devotee then observed that if hands could feel and locate the Heart-Centre, delicate scientific instruments should certainly do it.

Devotee: The Heart Centre  is said to be on the right, on the left or in the centre.  With such differences of opinion, how are we to meditate on Hridaya. 

Bhagavan:  You are and it is a fact. Dhyana is by you, of you and in you.  It must go on where you are.  It cannot be outside you. So you are the centre of dhyana and that is the Heart.

A location is however given to it with reference to the body.  You know that you are.  Where are you?  You are in the body and not out of it. Yet not the whole body.  Though you pervade the whole body, still you admit a centre wherefrom all thoughts start and where they subside.  Even when the limbs are amputated, you are there with defective senses.  So a centre must be admitted.  That is called the Heart.  The Heart is not merely the centre but the Self.  Heart is only another name for the Self.

(Bhagavan Ramana says in Arunachala Pancharatnam, Verse 2
the same idea.  You dance as I-I-I and You are Heart.)

(Source. Talks, Munagala Venkatramaiah.)

Arunachala Siva.


Bhagavan Ramana, on 14th April 1937, said the following to the
devotees and visitors in the Hall:

The books say that there are so many kinds of dikshas, initiations,
hasta diksha, sparsa diksha, chakshu diksha, mano diksha etc.,  They also say that the Guru makes some rites with fire, water, japa, mantras, as if the disciple becomes ripe only after scuh processes are gone through by the Guru.

If the individual is sought, he is nowhere to be found. Such is the Guru. Such is Dakshinamoorthy.  What did he do?  He was silent.
The disciples appeared before him. He maintained silence. The doubts of the disciples were dispelled, which meant that they lost their individual identities. That is Jnana and not the verbiage usually associated with it.

Silence is the most potent form of work.  However vastand emphatic the sastras may be, they fail in their effect.   The Guru is quiet and peace prevails in all.  His silence is vaster and more emphatic than all the sastras put together. These questions arise because of the feeling that have been here so long, heard so much, exerted so hard, one has not gained anything. The work proceeding within is not apparent.  In fact the Guru is always within you.

(Source: Talks, Munagala Venkatramaiah.)

Arunachala Siva. 

On 6th April 1937, an Andhra gentleman, in the course of his conversation, asked Bhagavan about the state of a Jnani and Bhagavan told him as follows:

"Until you gain Jnana, you cannot understand the state of a Jnani.
There is no asking about the work of Iswara and the rest. Some
ask why Siva went naked in Daruka forest and spoiled the chastity of wives of the rishis.  The Puranas, which record this incident have also said that Siva previously saved the devas and the universe by consuming the poison, halahala, at the time of churning the ocean of milk.  He, who could save the world from the deadly poison and lead the sages to emancipation had also wandered nude amongst their
women.  Their actions are incomprehensible to ordinary intellects. One must be a Jnani to understand a Jnani or Iswara.

Devotee: Should we not learn the Jnani's ways and imitate them?

Bhagavan Ramana: It is no use!

(Source: Talks, Munagala Venkatramaiah.)

Arunachala Siva.