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44161
General topics / Re: Panduranga Idol in Pandaripuram
« on: May 24, 2009, 03:37:17 PM »
The phrase "belly bottom" is a voluptuous mistake!  Please
read the phrase as "belly-button" wherefrom a lotus appeared
and Brhma found him there, as per Bhagavatam.

Arunachala Siva.

44162
General topics / Re: Finding God
« on: May 24, 2009, 03:19:08 PM »
Dear paul, matthias and others,

When I quoted Who am I?, I have left an important covenant
given by Bhagavan Ramana.  "The Atmaswarupa or the Self
alone is Real and eternal, the world, the jiva, and the god
are all imaginations....."  Here, one should add the important
covenant, "like silver in the oyster shell".  Silver is 
imagination only for a while, that is, till one sees the oyster
shell.  Hence even the "silver" is not a pure imagination,
but that one which stems from the oyster shell, which alone,
is Real, through false understanding.  Silver is also seen, but when oyster shell is seen, the silver disappears.  The same is
the case with snake and the rope.  The rope alone is real, the snake appears for a while, because of false understanding.
The silver and the snake have got a cause which is non-form, non-name god or Brahman. 

The snake example is more useful to understand the 'fear'
or the samsara or the travails of worldly life.  The snake
which is itself false, gives a fear of samsara.  The rope,
when seen, the fear goes away once for all.

Arunachala Siva.

44163
General topics / Panduranga Idol in Pandaripuram
« on: May 24, 2009, 02:14:52 PM »
Panduranga, as many of us are aware, is a form of Vishnu,
as he appeared before Pundalikan, who made him wait to
complete his service to aged parents.  Vishnu who came as
a boy, waited patiently, on a brick ["seat" as given by
Pundalika].  The boy remained as god, in Pandaripuram,
he is called Vittal because he stood on the brick, vit = in
Marathi.  He came to be called as Pandurnga.  From this
Pandaripur, many great lives of nama-sankirtan marga
[the path of chanting Vishnu's names] sprang up.   The
movement started with Jnaneswar and his siblings. The
great children are Nivrutti Natha, Jnaneswar, Sophan Nath (?),
and their only sister Muktabai.  While Nivrutti Natha is
considered as Siva, Jnaneswar, Vishnu, Sophan Nath, Brahma
and Muktai Bai as Uma.  Jnaneswar was for pure bhakti [devotion through nama sankirtan], and Jnana.  Many of
us know only his Jnaeswari, the commentary on Srimad
Bhagavad Gita, but he has also written a pure advaita work,
called Amritanubhava.  Both are available in print.  He has
also written some poems as replies to one Changdev Vatiswar,
a great Raja Yogi, describing Jnana. 

Panduranga, a discourser said, is a combination of all these
four divine forms.  One can see in his idol, on the skull,
a small cavity, where there is a Siva linga, with the base called
avadai, which represents Uma. He is said to have Brahma
on the belly bottom, and Saraswati in his tongue and Lakshmi
in his heart.  He does not have chakra and sangh [conch shell]
which are marks of Vishnu, on his hands.  On the other hand,
he is keeping his two hands on his waist, as if to show that his devotees, have to cross the ocean of samsara which would only be waist-deep and they need not be afraid to be drowned by the ocean of worldly life.  Sri Mahabhakta Vijayam, originally in Marathi, now available in all Indian languages, is the stories
of devotees, who had experienced different types of miracles done in their lives by Panduranga.

The followers of nama-sankirtan marga, say Hari Ramakrishna Hari, as the chanting name but they are not Vaishnavites.  The devotees wear the marks of an advaiti [vibhuti], or Sri Churanam [Vaishanavites]  or simply sandal paste like dvaitis, but without the homa paste in black colour.  In fact, the disourser, Sri Venkatakrishna Bhagavatar who is telling stories from Bhagavatam, profusely quote Bhagavan Ramana's words and conversations and miracles.

(Source: From a discourse in Sri Sankara TV) 

Arunachala Siva.         

44164
Varatunga Rama Pandyan, was a later period chieftain,
with the suffix name of Pandyan.  While he was in his
death bed, his wife asked him whether he was afraid of
death.  The poet-king replied:

Why should I be afraid, my dear wife?
I am seeing Siva's abhaya hand.
I am seeing his bracelets with wreathed serpents.
I am seeing his waist cloth made of tiger's skin.
I am seeing his red matted locks with crescent moon.
I am seeing his golden feet with nicely sounding anklets.
I am seeing his grace-emitting divine face.
I am seeing his three starry eyes.
I am seeing his neck with the dark poison mark.
I am seeing his sacred thread, which are again snakes!
I am seeing his forehead with vibhuti in three lines.
I am seeing his pick axe and the fire on his hands
I am seeing the slender-waisted Uma on his left.
I am seeing the white total form of Siva, Pal Vannan.
Where is the fear for me?
Why should I be afraid?

If every devotee could see such god's divine form, without
any thought of dying, such vision alone should take him to
the god's abode, without fail.

(Source: Tamil Stray Verses.  K. Subramania Pillai,
Santha Publishing House, Chennai.)

Arunachala Siva. 

44165
I shall continue with stray Tamil verses.  Most of us know
Guru Namasivaya who was the disciple of Guhai Namasivaya.
Both Guru Namasivaya and Guhai Namasivaya were living in
Arunachala and has sung many songs on Arunachaleswarar.
These have been published by Sri Ramanasramam.

Guru Namasivaya has also sung some stray verses.  He once
went to Chidambaram to have darshan of the Dancing God
of Golden Court, Nataraja in Chidambaram.  Upon seeing Nataraja he sang:

O Siva who gives boons to devotees everyday without fail,
I shall make one request to you.  You are ever dancing keeping your gunchitapatam, raised.  While your left foot is ever raised, to protect the devotees, your right foot is ever stamping on
Apasmara, Muyalakan, the demon.  Are you not getting tired like this, for ever keeping one raised foot and keeping the other foot stamping on the demon?  Why not you stop and take rest for some time?

The perennial dance, Anavarata Tandavam can never stop.
If it stops, the universe will cease to exist, with everything
becoming a cosmic dust.  And a new kalpa has to start.  Even
though the illustrious poet knows this, he sang out of compassion for the restless Siva.  The ever dancing Siva, is
Achala in Tiruvannamalai and the Mother who was watching His dance in Chidambaram, has merged into Him, as Ardhanari, in Tiruvannamalai.  See Bhagavan Ramana's Navamani Malai
verse 1.

"The Non-moving Siva dances [moves] in Chidambaram in his
cosmic dance, while Achala, the Mother, Sivakamavalli is watching. He is Achalan, the Non moving with Mother, Achalai. merging into Him and that is Arunachala, please understand!" 

Arunachala Siva.
       

44166
Siruthondar [meaning, a small devotee] comes next.  He
was a commander in the Pallava King's army apart from
being a great Siva devotee.  He went to war and his army
defeated Pulikesi - II, a king who was ruling the present
northern Karnataka, and conquered Vatapi, its capital.
There in Vatapi, he found a Ganesa image and brought
it back to Kanchipuram.  When the king asked for boons
for winning the war, Siruthondar said, "I do not want
anything, excepting your permission to take this Ganesa
idol."  He took that and went to a place called Tiru Chengattangudi and installed the image there.  That is why,
this town came to be called as Ganapathiswaram.  This
particular episode and the Ganapati have been sung by
Tiru Jnana Sambandhar in his poems.

After the war, Siruthondar retired from army and was wholetime engaged in Siva meditation.  He used to feed a number of pilgrims and ascetics everyday. He and his wife used to take
food only after serving ascetics.  One day, it so happened, that
no one turned up to his house.  It became noon and still
no one came.  In the noon, Siruthondar told his wife that he would go and search for an ascetic for feeding.  After he
left, one bairagi called on his house.  Only Siruthondar's
wife was there.  When she said that her husband had gone
for search of an ascetic for feeding, the bairagi waited for a
while and then said: "Allright.  Your husband has not yet come.  I shall go to the Siva temple and rest.  In case your husband wants to feed me, let him come and see me there."  He left.
Siruthondar returned after sometime and said that no one could be found.  His wife told him about the bairagi.  He then rushed to the temple.  The bairagi was there, obviously quite tired without food.  He asked bairagi to come and have food.  But bairagi said:  "You cannot give me the food that would suit me.  I want human flesh of a freshly killed young boy!"  Siruthondar did not hesitate even for a moment.  He agreed and brought him and told his wife.  His wife too was not disturbed.  Now, where he would go for a young boy?  Who will accept to give his son for making food?  The couple decided to kill their own young son, SeeraLan.  The boy too did not hesitate for a moment.  The bairagi was waiting at the front hall.  The mother killed her son, made a nice roasted human flesh and along with suitable rice and curries, the couple placed the food in front of the bairagi.  The son's head alone was kept in the kitchen.  Then the bairagi said: Have you cooked the flesh of the head?  It is more tasty!"  The bereaved mother readily agreed and cooked the head also and brought!

Then the bairagi said:  Please call your son!  Let him also sit with me and eat!  The couple had to break the news at this point.  They said: "He will not be useful at this juncture.  He has been cut and served as food!"  The bairagi said:  "No. No.  I shall call him now. "  Then the bariagi called in high voice: "Seerala! Seerala!  Please come and eat."  The boy came from the backyard and sat for food!   The bairagi disappeared and only the boy was there!  Siva and Uma appeared before the couple and said:  "Siruthondar!  We appreciate your intense love and devotion. Please come with us."  The divine couple took the devotees-couple and their son and went to their Abode.

Arunachala Siva. 
           

44167
General topics / Re: Anybody other than King Janaka?
« on: May 24, 2009, 10:51:34 AM »
For that matter, even Sri Ramakrishna was a householder,
but he and his wife Saradamani lived like two sannyasis
in the same temple.

Arunachala Siva.

44168
General topics / Re: Finding God
« on: May 24, 2009, 10:49:21 AM »
Dear silentgreen and Paul,

Bhagavan Ramana said about the pure advaita when He
said:  "What is Real is the Self within, Atma Swarupa only.
The world, the jiva, the god are all imaginations."  Who am I?
This is the quinteseence of Ajata Vada, Advaita.  In sleep,
when the world is absent, the Self alone is there within.
When one wakes up from sleep, the world appears and so
the gods.  Even personal god has an end.  The Atma Swarupa,
Brahman or the Self is alone eternal.

But for the majority of people, for whom this high level is
unreachable, to start with, then bhakti is advised. Bhakti
or devotion becomes dual.  It needs a devotee and a devoted
object.  Hereis where the god comes.  We have Narayana,
Siva, Christ, Allah and others.  But Brahman alone is eternal
and everpresent, without beginning and end.

Arunachala Siva. 

44169
General topics / Re: Death/deep sleep/coma/unconsiousness
« on: May 23, 2009, 05:32:28 PM »
Dear ramanaduli,

Do not worry.  We are all in the same boat.  Bhagavan
Ramana is an exceptional case.  He asked the question,
once, on the upstairs of his uncle's house in Chokkappa
Naicker Street, and got the answer.  He has said in one
conversation,  that the entire death experience, might have taken about 20 minutes.  He has infact, addeed that there
was no element of time at all.  He got the answer i.e merged
in the Self never to come out of it.  But it does not happen
to everyone because of prarabdha.  We may ask the question
a number of times.  That is why, as a matter of concession,
He said: You keep one thought and stick to it, instead of
several swarming thoughts, that makes a person and his
mind weak.  Arunachala Siva is one such great thought which
has helped me in life.  This is the Mahamantra for me.  Namasivaya and other mantras need an initiation from a guru.
This mantra, Ramana Guru has told me and everyone, in His
Akshara Mana Malai.  It is a mantra said by Him standing on
the summit of the Hill.  It is for everyone who can hear.

Arunachala Siva.

44170
General topics / Re: Death/deep sleep/coma/unconsiousness
« on: May 23, 2009, 01:41:32 PM »
Dear shadak,

Yes, you are correct.  Self enquiry is not an intellectual
process.  Bhagavan Ramana says,: Ask Who am I?  This
question is the only thought, which can be asked to oneself
either one single time or a few times, whereafter, one should
know His Self within and dive deep and merge with the Self.
There is no point in asking Who am I? everyday for the
whole life time, without comprehending that there is no
answer for the question.  Bhagavan Ramana says it should
be used as a stick that stirs the funeral pyre.  It is an
instrument to burn the corpse in the fire fully and finally
it is also thrown into the fire for its own destruction.

Arunachala Siva.

44171
There is another Siva devotee called Sakkiya Nayanar.
He was born Saiva but joined Buddhist monastery and
became a follower of the Buddha.  After some years, he
became dis-satisfied and found inner peace only in the
Saiva Siddhantam.  One day, he was going near a garden
and found a Siva Linga there.  Since he was already in a
Buddhist monastery, he could not do anything, even though
he desired to do puja.  He simply threw a small stone at
the Siva Linga, meditating Siva to treat it as a flower. He
continued to do this, for some more time, and everyday
he threw a stone at the Siva Linga.  Siva was pleased about
his devotion with conviction, and He did not mind this different
puja to Him.  In due course, Siva called him to His Abode!

Arunachala Siva.

44172
General topics / Re: gunangudi Masthan
« on: May 23, 2009, 12:01:51 PM »
Dear ramanaduli,

Gunangudi Mastan Swami is different.  Mastan Swami whom
I also referred to was from Desur, near Tiruvannamalai, about
40 kms.  There was one Desur Akhilandammma who became
Bhagavan Ramana's devotee first.  She only introduced Mastan
Swami of Desur to Bhagavan Ramana.  This Mastan Swami got the glimpse of the Self in his first meeting with Bhagavan Ramana on the Hill.  He stood 7 hours standing with that
exhilaration.  He met Bhagavan Ramana a few times after that
and attained samadhi after some years.  It is he, who has
written a few poems on Bhagavan Ramana.

Arunachala Siva.     

44173
Like Sankara, many devotees of Siva also did Siva puja
but somewhat differently, though totally not through mind
picture.  They did pujas of a very rare type but their devotion
and conviction were high that earned them liberation.  Ribhu
Gita says:  "Do not merely think you are Brahman, but think
with conviction, bhavana."  This is what they all did.

Hunter Kannappa is a classical case.  He was unlettered
hunting animals in the jungle near Kalahasti.  But Sekkizhar
says that he had attained enough spiritual knowledge in his
previous birth and the knowledge was deep in his mind.  He
found a Siva Linga, Kudumi Thevar or Kalahastisvarar in a
dilapidated temple one day.  Immediately, devotion sprang up from within, and he found that Siva was lying here uncared,
without proper bathing, food and adornment with flowers.
He came down from the temple, took roasted pigflesh, wild
flowers and mouthful of water.  The pigflesh was on one hand, the bow and arrow in another, flowers on his tuft of hair and water in his mouth.  He did puja.  He did like this for five days.  Sivakosari, a brahmin priest, who used to come early morning for a simple puja to Siva, became aghast about the sacrilege, with meat lying here and there.  Siva said, "Please hide yourself behind me and watch today.  It is all done by my bhakta Kannappa." 

On the sixth day, Kannappa came and did the puja.  He suddenly found blood gushing forth from Siva's left eye.  He gauged his eye and applied it.  Tooth for tooth and eye for eye principle!  The blood stopped. But soon the blood started oozing out from Siva's right eye.  Now what will he do?  Here lies the acid test.  How can he give his other eye?  Even after gauging the eye from the socket, how to place it on Siva's face, after becoming blind?  So he placed his sandal wearing foot on Siva and was about to gauge his remaining eye. Siva said: "Stop Kannappa! Stop Kannappa! Stop Kannappa!"  He said three times, because now God is anxious about the devotee.  He gave him His abode!  Thus Kannappa got liberation in six days.

Saint Ramalingaswamigal says about three people.

VaLal magavu arinthu oota vallen, allen.
Madhu uraitha sooLal iLaimai thurakka vallen, allen,
Nalinrandu NaLil kan puthiathu kodukka vallen, allen....

The first is about Siruthondar.  He cut his son's body and
fed Siva, who came as a flesh eating bairagi.  I cannot
cut my son and give you as bhiksha. 

The second is Tiruneela Kantar, the potter.  Just because, his wife told him, In the name of Siva, do not touch me, [she felt that her husband went to a harlot and became impure].  The devotee did not touch his wife thereafter and the couple lost all their youth over the years.  They were continuing Siva mediation only.  In their old age, Siva comes and gives them liberation.

The third is Kannappa, who attained mukti in 4 + 2 days, by giving his eye to Siva.

Devotion with conviction is the key.

Arunachala Siva.                 

44174
General topics / Re: gunangudi Masthan
« on: May 23, 2009, 10:58:36 AM »
Dear ramanaduli,

Gunangudi Mastan Swami is one of the famous Siddha
Purushas, who lived much later than the famous 18 Siddhas
of Tamil, who lived several centuries before today.  Gunangudi
Mastan is also known for his nice songs that speak of Siva as
his (her?) husband.  There is one yogi who attained Samadhi,
in Bangalore and his shrine is in Ulsoor.  He is called Odukathoor Swami.  He was from Vellore, but was brought to Bangalore in
early 19th century by a lady, who took pity on him, because he
was very ill.  He is also said to have composed songs in Tamil,
but they are not available. For that matter Mastan Swami who
took Bhagavan Ramana as his Guru is also a Siddha and he has composed a few songs on Bhagavan Ramana.

Arunachala Siva.     

44175
General topics / Re: Anybody other than King Janaka?
« on: May 23, 2009, 10:49:17 AM »
Dear Nagaraj, ramanaduli,

King Janaka is always the standard example to show how
a person can attain Jnana and also RULE the kingdom.  He
was not merely a householder but a ruler who ruled a big
country called Mithila.  But if you take householders, there
are many who attained Jnana despite being in a house,
doing all the householder's duties.  Some of the 63 Siva
Saints were married and and were running a family, raised
children but continued their intense devotion to Siva and
attained Jnana.  Thyagraja is another example.  If you want
a king as an example, we can say Koch Chengot Chozhan who
finds a place under 63 Saints.  He was also ruling Chozha kingdom, built 40 large temples for Siva, went for wars etc.,

Arunachala Siva.