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General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 22, 2008, 05:11:23 PM »
Dear nonduel, Thanks for your immediate response.  The story
mentioned by you has also been read from somewhere sometime
back.  Upanishads mention two preconditions for a Guru, one,
he should be a through scholar in "sastras", that is, scriptures
and injunctions; second he must be a Bramha Nishta, that is
he should abiding in Brhaman or the Self.  The phrase goes:
"Stotriam Brahma-nishtam."  In today's world, we have scholars
aplenty and what is rare is brahma-nishta, gurus abiding in the
Self.  The King in the story is having both qualifications, he is
able to order and also he has got authority to do so.  Whereas
the other is giving only an order, but has no authority.  Hence
the order of the second was not obeyed.  If one could find a
living guru who has order and authority, there is nothing like
that.  But it is very very rare, and it is like finding the footprints
of the bird on the sky!

You are correct.  I checked up with David Godman's blog. Sri
Lakshmana Swami has in fact, suggested the need for a living
Guru.  But he had Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi but do we have one?

Arunachala Siva.   

Devi-aparaadha-kshamaapana-Stotram is a 12-verse
composition of Sankara, seeking forgiveness of Devi.
A sample:

Verse 2: "Ignorant of the commands of scriptures,
Utterly devoid of wealth, shiftless indolent am I,
Unable to do as I ought to do, numerous therefore are my offences,
I have committed at Thy feet. Mother! Saviour of all mankind 
Auspicious One!  Forgive my sins,
A wicked son is sometimes born,
But the unkind mother there cannot be."

Verse 11: "Mother of all the universe!
If Thou shouldst show Thy fullest mercy,
Would even then a a cause of wonder?
A mother cannot refuse her son,
Though he has done a million wrongs."

If Sankara could wail like that, what avail be of we?

Arunachala Siva.       

General Discussion / Re: KEY TO SELF REALISATION
« on: July 22, 2008, 02:08:38 PM »
Dear Sankar, yes genuine crying is one way to in our run-up to
the Self realization.  Bhagavan had chided mother Azhagamma, when
she had asked Akhilandamma to procure greens from the Hill.  Mother
Azahagamma cried.  Bhagavan said:  Cry Cry, it is good for you. 
Likewise, when I read several incidents in Bhagavan's life, I have
cried.  He told Annamalai Swami, the kitchen worker, one early morning,
to taste the chutney He has grinded.  Annamalai Swami hesitated saying
that he was not a brahmin (and non-brahmins should not take anything
before brahmins had eaten!) and that he had not by then brushed his
teeth.  Bhagavan said:  It does not matter, you may taste a little and
tell he how it is.  "Go for brushing the teeth afterwards.  Do not tell
anyone!" When Echammal brought her new born grandson, who had
become destitute, since his parents had died, and shed tears,  Bhagavan
also cried irresistably!  Bhagavan was like a mirror, refelecting the joys and sorrows of His devotees.  If one could cry reading such incidents, it is
a sure way to cleanse one's mind and ego.

Arunachala Siva. 

General Discussion / Re: SILENCE IS THE SELF
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:52:54 PM »
Dear Sankar, yes, Silence is the Self.  Here again it is very difficult
to practise.  Bhagavan said that silence does not simply mean not
mouthing words, but it is stillness of the mind.  The so called mouna-
yogis who abound today, are silent without words, but write answers
on a slate to the seeker's questions.  Is it silence.  The silence is the
halting of the ever grinding machine, that is mind!  It is the stillness
of the mind.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: SEEK THE TRUTH IN REALITY
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:48:30 PM »
Dear Sankar,  Bhagavan says in Who am I?  Atma-swrupa is the one
and only Reality.  Everything is imagination!  This world, the jiva i.e
the individual, and God are all imaginations!  But it is very difficult to
shake off the world, ego (the individual mind) and god.  Many of
us are still doing worship of god in some form or other, be it Siva,
be it Rama or Krishna or Devi.  I told you in the other posts, there are
several steps given as aids to self realization, in Who am I?  Each one
is difficult.  But Bhagavan says in the case of god-worship, do not
shake it off forcibly.  Even a dislike to continue the god-worship in the
home-altar, is a desire!  These things will drop off when the appropriate
time comes.

Arunachala Siva.


General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:38:52 PM »
Dear nonduel,  I am thankful to you for your extrace of David
Godman's interview with Sri Lakshmanaswami.  Both David and
Sri Lakshmanaswami agree about three types of gurus, Siva within,
Siva appearing in the name of a guru for a while and the living gurus,
who are Siva's devotees who are designed to be teachers.  In fact,
in the case of Saint Manikkavachagar, Siva appeared as a Guru for
a while, in the place called Tirukkazhukundram, and disappeared later.
Manikkavachagar's life is a wonder.  First Siva appeared before him as
an Effulgent light in a place called Tirupperundurai in Southern Tamil Nadu. The Siva appeared as a brahmin guru in Tirukkazhukundram and Manikka-
vachagar became Self-realized, sang songs in a number of places, and
finally merged in Siva, again as a light merging with light in Chidambaram.

Coming to your point, from your posts I guess you need a living guru
to clarify your doubts about Ramana Way.  If this so, there are several
elders inside  Ramanasramam, and David Godman through his website.
Finding a living guru firstly it may be difficult and secondly you are not
sure whether they are genuine, in these days of bogus and self-styled

Arunachala Siva.  

Dear Paul, you are correct.  Bhagavan says if you enquire Who am I?
and keep meditating on "I", "I", it will lead you to "I-I".  This "I-I"
is the Self or Brahman or Paramatman or Siva.  In Tamil, Bhagavan
writes 'Naan' and 'thaan'  Naan is I and than is I-I.  The same usage
is also seen is Upadesa Undiyar,  Upadesa Saram in Sanskrit and
Telugu.  Who am I? defines the Self and prescribes many steps as
aids to self-realization.  I was just now writing to Sankar, that each
step is important and is diffcult to practise.  Bhagavan also says,
"you simply repeat you own name.  It will take you to the Heart or
the Self.  Astounding.  The poet Tennyson, without any intention,
was repeating his name, and he found extraordinary bliss.  Since
every one who is a Brahman in this world, cannot be called 'I',
elders have given different names to different people.  Hence one's
own name like 'I' is quite potent to merge in the 'I-I' or the Self.

Arunachala Siva.   

« on: July 22, 2008, 12:08:58 PM »
Dear Sankar, I agree with you.  As aids to self-realization, I
am looking deeply into the words of Who am I? and see how
many steps that Bhagavan has prescribed, we are able to follow.
For example, He says, that both likes and dislikes should be
eschewed.  This is extremely difficult.  If the autorickshaw driver
demands five rupees more than the actual fare, we yell at him.
This five rupees may give him happiness and he likes it, but since
it is dislike for us, we do not like it.  There are various such prescriptions
from Bhagavan in Who am I?.  I shall write separately about each
step, at a later date.

Arunachala Siva.   

Veda-Sara-Siva Stotram of Sankara, described the primordial
aspect of Siva, as the essence of Vedas, in 11 verses.  A sample,

Verse 5:-  "How do I worship the Paramatman, One and without
a second,
Who is the Cause of the Universe,
The Primal Being, Spirit formless and actionless, who is
attained through the syllable OM?
Him do I worship Siva, of whom the universe is born,
by whom it is sustained, in whom it merges."

Verse 6:- "How do worship who is neither earth, nor water,
who is neither fire, nor air nor ether,
Who is unvisited by sleep, yet evermore unwearied,
Beyond both heat and cold, without a country and without a home,
Him do I worship Siva, the Formless One, the Trimurti?"

Arunachala Siva.

Ganga-Ashtakam, an eight verse composition of Sankara is a hymn
on the glories of Ganges.  A sample,

Verse 2:  "Rippling Thou flowest from the feet of Hari,
Whiter than frost or diamonds, or the moon,
O Mother Ganga, take away the burden,
of wicked deeds that weigh upon me,
Bear me across the ocean of the world,
He who has drunk Thy refreshing waters,
He, Thy worshipper, O Mother Ganga,
Never will be seized by the king of death."

Verse 7: "If by Thy grace, one bathes in Thy waters,
Never again one need to enter a mother's womb,
The sins of a liftetime for all annulling,
Jahnavi! Ganga! the world accord Thee
Honour and renown for the glory that is Thine"

Arunachala Siva.   

Annapoorna Ashtakam, is an eight-verse composition of
Sankara, euologizing Annapoorna the goddess and consort
of Siva in Kasi.  A sample,

Verse 1, " O benign Mother, who pourest out upon us,
everlasting bliss,
Thou, the Ocean of Beauty!  Bestower of boonss and of fearlessness,
O Supreme Purifier, who washes away all sins,
Thou the visible Ruler of the world, the sanctifier of King
Himalaya's lineage,
O Thou the Queen Empress of holy Kasi, Divine Annapoorna!
Be gracious unto me and grant me alms."

Verse 4, " O Gauri, O Uma, O Sankari, O Kaumari,
Thou who hast thy dwelling in the cave of sacred Mount Kailas,
Thou who dost reveal the meaning of the holy Vedas,
Who art very embodiment of the mystic syllable Om,
Who openest the gates of liberation!
O Thou the Queen Empress of holy Kasi, Divine Annapoorna!
Be gracious unto me and grant me alms."

The 'alms' symbolizes self-realization. 

Arunachala Siva.     

General Discussion / Re: WHOIS SATGURU?
« on: July 21, 2008, 01:07:39 PM »
Dear Sankar, I am happy that Bhagavan is appearing in your dream.
I had that fortune only on one or two occasions.  But kindly do not
wait for the dream, sleep etc.,  Please visualize Him in the wakeful
state, either mentally or through a photograph of Him.  The Guru
will push you inside from the out and the Guru inside your Heart will
also pull you from inside into the Heart.  That is the starting point for
self-attention or self-enquiry. 

Arunachala Siva.


Bhavani Ashtakam of Sankara, is a eight verse composition of
Sankara, praying to Bhavani the concorporate of Siva.  A sample,

Verse 1, "No father have I, no mother, no comrade,
No son, no daughter, no wife and no grandchild,
No servant or master, no wisdom, no calling,
In Thee is my only haven of refuge,
In Thee, my help and my strength, O Bhavani !"

Verse 4, "O mother!  Of pilgrimage or of merit,
Of mental control or the soul's liberation,
Of rigorous vows or devotion, I know not,
In Thee is my only haven of refuge,
In Thee is my help and strength, O Bhavani!"

This is exactly our plight and Bhagavan is only our
help and strength, haven of refuge.

Arunachala Siva.     

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Buddha's works
« on: July 20, 2008, 05:55:44 PM »
Dear mandy, you have sent an e mail directly to me.  Place it in
the Forum, so that everyone can read and contribute.  I am happy
you are reading the Buddha.  Read Prajna Parimita and Brahma Sutram
and then Who am I? by Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.  You will find
that Who am I? is the essence of everything.  I have already written
in some old post, that, Who am I? is adequate for the entire civilization
and all the scriptures and treatises of Hindu and all other faiths are
only details.

Arunachala Siva.   

Gurv-ashtakam, as the name implies, is the eight-verse composition
of Sankara in praise of the Guru.  It describes the greatness of  the Guru's in nice words.

A sample,

Verse 1, "Though your body be comely and ever remain in perfect
health, Though your name be unsullied and mountain-high you
hoarded gold, Yet if the mind be not absorbed in the Guru's
lotus feet, What will it all avail you?  What indeed, will it all avail?"

Verse 2, "Though the lore of the Vedas take up its dwelling on
your tongue, Though be learned in scriptures, gifted in writing
prose and verse, Yet if the mind be not absorbed in the Guru's
lotus feet, What will it all avail you?  What indeed will it all avail?"

Verse 8, "Though if you be ready to dwell in the forest as at home,
No more attached to work, untrammelled by an ugly form,
Yet if the mind be not absorbed in the Guru's lotus feet,
What will it all avail you? What indeed, will it all avail?"

The verses remind us of Murugnar's RAMANA PADA MALAI.  We
also think about Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni, Maharajah of Mysore
and Sankarananda Bharati, who came to Bhagavan with various
feats to their credit but could not absorb in the Self, till they reach the feet of Bhagavan.

Arunachala Siva.