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General Discussion / Re: Slumdog Millionaire
« on: February 24, 2009, 11:12:44 AM »
I read the raving news description in the Hindu, with a lot of photographs.  Particularly, today, I like the report of Pookutty's,
the Sound Mixing director's, thanksgiving words,  "I am from the
country and the civilization, which found that sound before the
silence, and that sound that remains after silence, OM.  I dedicate
this to my country!"  Everything starts and ends in Om, the word
of Siva, the word before gods.

Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Re: The facts about Kanchipuram
« on: February 24, 2009, 11:07:16 AM »
Dear Dr. Raju,

Excellent.  Siva = Pure Consciousness = eternal vigil.  Fasting =
removing the contamination of the mind.  Thank you, doctor.

Dear Ganesh_b01,

Excellent explanation. Thank you.

I think the Forum, after a long break is really shining.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: O Father where are you
« on: February 24, 2009, 11:02:38 AM »
Dear Ganesh_b01,

Bhagavan Ramana and Jnana Sambandha are avatars of Murugan.
Sankara is an avatara of Siva.  They come down to serve as gurus.
Their cases did not much involve search.   But others, however, have
to 'search' for the Self or the Guru or Siva.  Bhagavan Ramana assures us that He is within.  Not outside.  We are going round and round, only to stay where we are.  The only thing that is required
is removal of the ego's dirt, the halahala poison, as you have correctly mentioned.  Upadesa Saram of Bhagavan Ramana, Verse 10 says the same thing.  All that we have to do is to remain where we are, and this is karma, bhakti, yoga and jnana.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Churning of the Ocean
« on: February 24, 2009, 10:56:55 AM »
Dear Ganesh_b01,

Beautiful interpretation of the story and I thank you.  One or two
additional surmises.  Halahala poison, the ego, who drinks?  It
is Siva, Brahman.  He is the Self, and the Self consumes the ego,
and Amruta, the Self Realization occurs.

In Tirumantiram, Tirumoola sings:  When, everyone rushes to take the amruta, it is He, Siva the Primordial takes the poison.  All gods
want only Amruta, but unless Siva, the Self first consumes the poison, the ego, Self Realization is possible.  He is also the Guru and the Self.

Arunachala Siva.

Mikkaar amudhunna Nanjunda Melavan.....

General topics / The medicine of Vaitheeswara Swami
« on: February 23, 2009, 04:07:12 PM »
Sri Vaitheeswara Swami is Siva of Vaitheeswaran Kovil temple,
which is about 40 kms from Chidambaram.  Oneday Saint Poet
Kalamegam went there.  He went to the food choultery first. 
All travellers had sumptuous food but he had no food since the
stock was over.  He had to stay in the choultery pained in hunger.
The chaps who had eaten were yawning and sleeping joyfully.
He went to the Vaitheeswaran Temple and prayed to Siva.

O Vaitheeswara, people say you have got
Medicine which is nothing but the sand* in the molehill!
What illness would it  cure?
It may cure the indigestion of the fellows who have overeaten.
But will it cure my burning hunger?
Please tell me quickly and give me a pinch of that sand!

(* In Vaitheeswaran Kovil, the temple authorities give the sand
from the molehill inside the temple as a cure for illnesses.  Even
today this practice is there and many people take this sand and
give it to the sick for cure.  The poet says that the medicine might
cure indigestion but how about his my hunger.)
Guhai Namasivaya has sung about Tiruvannamalai, sadhus.

Siva darsanam,
Mata bhojanam,
Vedanta vicharam,
Ananda Sayanam!

(Source: Stray Tamil Verses. K. Subamanya Pillai.)

Arunachala Siva.

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Ninda Stuti on Muruga
« on: February 23, 2009, 03:57:26 PM »
Saint Poet Kalamegam went to one of the Siva temples.  He had darshan of Ganapati, Siva and Sakti and came to Muruga.  He felt
that Muruga looked 'very proud' on that day, with his two consorts.
He sang an extempore song:

O Muruga what is there for you to be proud about?
Your Father is a beggar, begging alms at every house!
Your blue-looking Mother is a mountain bandit queen!
                                         (Malai Neeli)
Your incomparable Uncle Krishna steals butter everyday!
Your Elder Brother is with huge belly and is club footed!

(Source: Stray Tamil Verses. K. Subramanya Pillai.)

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: The facts about Kanchipuram
« on: February 23, 2009, 03:33:05 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju,

I shall write whatever I know.  Thrayodasi is the auspicious day
for Siva like Ekadasi for Vishnu and Sashti for Muruga.  In the kumbha  month, after the Thrayodasi, on Chaturdasi day, Vishnu
and Brahma prayed to Siva, who stood as emerald mountain.  The
holy effulgence on this day, condensed into a emerald mountain.
This is the night of vigil for devotees since Siva is always vigilant,
never closing any one of His two eyes, the third eye being never opened excepting for destruction.  This vigil was disturbed by Uma by playfully closing His eyes once and she had to come to Kanchipuram for penance and reunion later at Arunachala.  On this day of the year, the devotees keep awake at night and pray to Siva.  This again is a sort of penance, just as fasting on Ekadasi, Sashti etc.,  This is of course, subject to one's health and other worldly duties.  Jagran is symblic of our wakefulness to attain godhead.

In another folklore, one hunter who was chased by a tiger; he climbed over a tree and the tiger was waiting even at night for him to fall down in sleep so that it could devour him.  He, with great difficulty suffered sleeplessness and kept vigil.  In order to while away the time, he plucked the leaves and dropping them.  It so happened, there was a Siva linga, at the foot of the tree. The leaves were bhilva leaves and it was a Sivaratri night.  The story ends that he got liberation.

In Karnataka, where Veera Saivas are in large numbers, Sivaratri
is an important day.  It is a day of solemnity and not celebration.
They fast, go to Siva temple and keep vigil at night.

In my experience, I find keeping awake is more difficult than fasting and I have never succeeded in both.  I go to bed at my usual time chanting Arunachala Siva for sometime till I get my sleep.  This morning, I submitted jasmine and bhilva leaves to the Nataraja metal icon that I have got in the home altar, Unnamulai-Annamalai photo with Hill at the backdrop and to Bhagavan Ramana.  I listened in the afternoon Arunachala Pancharatnam and Arunachala Padigam from the tape.         

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Slumdog Millionaire
« on: February 23, 2009, 03:08:20 PM »
Dear Disciple,

I did not see the News Channels today.  However, the news from
you is quite satisfying.  A.R. Rahman deserves the coveted Oscar,
the first Indian to receive Oscar.  Even the great Satyajit Ray could
not get it.  You know there are a lot of politics there too.  There are
two great choreographers in Indian music today, perhaps after old geniuses like Burman and a few others.  One is ILaya Raja, who trusted his own music wisdom than the modern instruments.  He is basically a violinist. He knows Tami classics too.  He is the devotee of Bhagavan Ramana. He has got some of his own songs in praise of Bhagavan Ramana sold as CDs and audios.  The other is A.R. Rahman.  He was born a Hindu and his father was a Hindu.  He perhaps changed over to Islam, because of the treatement meted out to him by the film industry people in the beginning.  Now they are after him.  He wanted some solace from the hate that he had experienced and Islam was found suitable by him.  But he has learnt to love people and that is the most important thing.  He is the one who trusted the musical instruments along with his own innate genius.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Miracles Do Happen
« on: February 23, 2009, 11:55:08 AM »
K. Vithoba Kamath is from Thirthalli, a small town in Nothern Karnataka. He was born in 1924.  While he was studying in Central
College, Bangalore, he was attracted by Mahatma Gandhi and he wrote a letter to him, asking whether he could join Sevagram. Gandhi replied to him to complete his studies and then think about other things. Before he proceeded to join Gandhi's ashram, in 1946,
he wanted to see Bhagavan Ramana, as he had read about him in
M.V. Kamath's book. 

He got down in Villupuram to proceed to Tiruvannamalai.  He enquired about the town to the station master.  That guy gave him all unpalatable misinformation about Bhagavan and Asramam.  However, he proceeded to Tiruvannamalai.  When he saw Bhagavan in the Hall, he found Him radiating splendour to devotees with sublime grace.  He used to sit at the last row in the hall.  Oneday, he
wanted to see Krishna, and intently looked at Bhagavan, he saw a dark clud engulfing Him and from within emerged Lord Krishna.  He was at his wit's end.  He first thought it was a hallucination and so he wanted to see Gandhi.  He looked at the couch.  Suddenly, Bhagavan Ramana was nowhere and in His place, there was Gandhi.
In a few minutes, Bhagavan Ramana started gazing at him with a benign smile in His face.    He felt immensely pleased.

Oneday Kamath was discussing something with Devaraja Mudaliar and suddenly Bhagavan asked him:  "Who is asking this question?
Is it you or your mind?  He replied: "It is my mind."  Bhagavan then said to him:  Mind is a bundle of thoughts. So who you are, then these oscillations of mind cease to exist."  Then, Kamath took courage and asked Bhagavan:  "Is God realization possible through Karma Yoga?"  Bhagavan said: What is Karma Yoga? It is the eradication of ego.  When ego is gone, there is realization!"   

After the Mahanirvana, with years passed, he visited Sri Ramanasramam regularly.  One one occasion, the Asram devotees
asked Vithoba Kamath about his life and whereabouts.  He gave them details without knowing the reasons for the enquiry.  He was surprised to see in Mountain Path, July 1987 issue, an article about him, titled Introducing Vithoba Kamath!

In December 2005, when he had become very old, he went to Sri Ramanasramam, and did giri pradakshina with his wife, daughter and grandson. When he was about to depart, he saw the then President and introduced himself.  When the President was told that he had seen Bhagavan Ramana in his physical form, he suddenly rose from his chair and took Vithoba's hands in veneration!

(Source: Mountain Path, Deepam, 2007)

Arunachala Siva.

Mr. Upahar has written a poem, titled Mahadeepam - The Inner Path,
in the Aradhana issue of Mountain Path, 2007.  It reads:

In a moment unknown to time
between the setting and rising of the worlds,
the Lord of all hearts,
has crowned Himself
with His single unthinkable Fire.

He lets fall His cloak of night,
raises up the flowring moon
and unrolls beneath these ever-willing feet
the naked path of adoration

Auspicious on igh the dancing constellation
by ancient silent-most rocks
and mirrored in rare, enchanted waters
the pilgrim dreams the way


Formeless You shine,
for who is here apart from You
to trace your beloved outline?

All being now is honoured and illumined,
all things prosper and delight;
Creation wonders and wonders,
every atom sings Your glory

You stand forever still,
You burn for Pure Joy,
You burn at the core of all,
You burn at the core.

(Source:  Mountain Path, Aradhana, 2007)

Arunachala Siva.

Robert Butler and other quote many such incidents.

4. Devaraja Mudaliar in his Recollections say that Bhagavan Ramana would frequently refer to the seventh stanza in Kovil Tirupadhigam, especially the last half about getting reduced into an atom and merging with the Absolute.  It reads:

There You stood, Your nature manifest,
granting me this day Your grace,
rising like a sun within my heart,
driving out the darkness of ignorance.
My thoughts upon that nature dwelt,
till thoughts there were no more.
There is nothing else other than You.
Approaching and approaching,
I became worn down to an atom,
then worn away till I was one with Him.
Hail Siva, dwelling in Holy Perundurai!
There is nothing that You are,
yet without You nothing is!
Who indeed can know You?

In Tamil, Kovil Tirupadhigam verse 7 starts as:

InRu enakku aruLi iruL katinthu ULLatthu,
Ezhukinra Jnayire ponru....
                            - Kovil Tiruvachakam, 22.7

Devaraja Mudaliar also describes this song in his Day by Day, entry dated 27th June 1946, where Bhagavan described Nammazhwar's experience who is non dual and not qualified dualism.  B

Ramana also quoted Tiruvaimozhi 8.8.3 and 8.8.5.

Bhagavan Ramana also used to appreciate the tenth verse of
Kovil Tiruadhigam,

You gave You to me and You took me for You,
Sankara, who is cleverer amongst the two?
I got me endless bliss,
What have You got from me?
O my Lord who is having my Heart as your temple,
Siva, the one staying in Tiru Perundhurai,
O Father!  Isa! You have taken my body as Your place!
What in exchange can I pay to You.

(Translation, mine.)

The verse 10 starts in Tamil:

Thanthathu un thannai, kondathu en thannai,
Sankara, yar kolo, chaturar?.......  Tiruvachakam. 22.10 

(Source: Mountain Path, Aradhana 2006).

Arunachala Siva.       

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Oruganti Ramachandraiah
« on: February 23, 2009, 10:36:31 AM »
Dear Dr. Raju and munagala,

I am very much delighted to know more and more information from
our friends in the Forum, about such noble devotees like Oruganti
Ramachandraiah.  His was a family of Ramana devotees.  Husband,
wife, spiritual daughter,brother, father in law...  I think they were all
Siva ganas who took birth to serve Siva-Ramana.

I am quite happy.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / The facts about Kanchipuram
« on: February 23, 2009, 10:30:42 AM »
Kanchipuram about 80 kms from Chennai, is famous for its various
temples.  Puranas say that among the towns, it is the best. It was
the capital of Pallava Kingdom and particularly Mahendra Varman.
Like Tiruvarur, it is also said that one who is born in Kanchipuram
attains mukti.  Kanchipuram is also famous for Kanchi Kama Koti Peetam, where Sankara after establishing 4 maths in India, finally stayed in Kanchipuram and ascended the throne of All-Knowledge,
Saravajna Pitam.  Tamil poets praise Kanchipuram in their works.
All the three Tevaram saints have visited Kanchi and sang decads.
Manikkavachagar, though there is no record about his visiting Kanchi, had mentioned it in his Tiru Por Chunnam, the Song of Pounding bathing powder.  Sekkizhar who hails from Kanchi has sung
its glories in 110 verses while narrating the story of Tiru Kurippu Thondar Nayanar.  There is also a Sthala Puranam on Kanchi in Tamil verses by Chidambara Swamigal. 

When Uma playfully held her hands and closed Siva's eyes, the worlds stopped functioning.  For this picadillo, Uma wanted to perform tapas and dhana in Kanchipuram, as per advice of Siva.
She went there, stood on a needle's end and performed severe penance, in front of a fire.  She was eating only dry leaves.  She made a linga from the river sand and did poojas.  When flash floods came in Kamba river and the sand Linga was about to be dissolved,
she embraced the Sivalinga with her breasts and hands.  Even today, in Kanchi Ekambaranatha Swami temple, the Siva linga made of sand, is having the niche of breasts and bangles!  Since the Siva Lingam is made of sand, there is no abulations with water and millk.
There is only application of punugu, sandal, camphor and kasturi.  The abulations is only for the base, the avadai, the femal symbol.  Flowers are adorned.  Kamakshi on completion of her penance, did a lot of dhana.  Arunagiri Natha says that she performed 32 types of dharmas, right from feeding the poor and hungry, conducting marriage of young girls, giving medicine for the sick, giving clothes for the needy, feeding animals, running pata salas for children, sponsoring Vedic sacrifices etc., After tapas and dharmas, she is asked by Siva to come to Arunachala for her reunion with Him.

Kamakshi Amma Temple has got only one shrine for Kamakshi.  There is no Siva shrine.  Siva is in Kanchi Ekambranatha Swami temple.  Skanda temple, called Kumara Kottam, is in the midway between the temples.  It is therefore said that Kanchi is a place of worship for family people, for family prosperity and health, because Siva family is there in different temples in the same town.  There is a large Vishnu temple also called Varadharaja Swami Temple. It is sung by Azhwars.  There are more than 20 temples, small and big in Kanchipuram.  In and around there are 70 Siva and Vishnu temples.

A famous Sri Vaishnava scholar and poet Prativati Bhaynagaram Annaranga Chariar lived in Kanchipuram recently.  He lived upto 100 years.  He would defeat anyone in religious debate.  He was not prostrating anyone in life excepting Kanchi Varadharaja and Kanchi Chandrasekhara Saraswati Swami, the pontiff of Kanchi Kamakoti Math.

When Ravana attempted to pull Kailash and was punished by Siva in Kailash, he was asked to go to Kanchipuram and pay his retribution.

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Oruganti Ramachandraiah
« on: February 23, 2009, 09:10:46 AM »
Sri Oruganti Ramachandraiah, was the son of Oruganti Venkata Subbaiah, of Kavali, Andhra Pradesh.  Subbaiah and his wife were
great freedom fighters and they had gone to jail many times.  As a young boy Ramachandraiah shouted anti-British slogans on the streets and was kept in minor's jail!  He was studying B.A. Hons. in
Andhra University and at that time he was falsely implicated in the famous Kakinada Bomb was and he was running between courts and jails for three years, after which he was acquitted.  However, he pursued his B.A. Hons and came first in the University.  After education, he could not find a job, since no one was eager to take him because of his past history.  At last he joined Birla Trust School in Pilani as a teacher of history.  However, things turned well afterwards and he was a lecturer and later the Head of Dept. of History and Archeology in Andhra University.  He has contributed in the team of investigators of Harappan civilization.

The marriage was another turning point in his life.  He was married to Kamakshi, the daughter of the famous compiler of Talks, Munagala Venkatramaiah with Bhagavan Ramana's consent.  The couple moved to Tiruvannamalai after Ramachandraiah's retirement, in 1972.  Throoughout their lives, they stood closely devoted to Ramana and Ramana devotees.  Kamakshi was given the mantra Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya Namah. by Bhagavan Himself in a piece of paper, in 1940s.

Kamakshi's health later deteriorated and she was diagonized to have bone cancer.  On seeing her condition Sri V. Sundara Ramanan of the Asramam said with flowing tears: "O Auntie!  why has Bhagavan let you down like this?"  Eyes flashing and with sudden energy flowing Kamakshi responded:  "How dare you say Bhagavan has at any time failed to take care of me?"  She passed away after sometime.

Ramachandraiah continued to live in Tiruvannamalai.  Mr. Dwarakanatha Reddy's daughter Sandhya, who was herself a child-friend of Bhagavan became his spiritual daughter and she was taking care of him, when Ramachandraiah took ill.  In 1994, he was admitted to Rangammal Hospital in Tiruvannamalai.  While opening the door of the room,  Sandhya on seeing the Hill, said: "Ayya, Arunachala is behind you!"  Ramachandraiah said in tender voice,
"Amma, Arunachala has always been behind me!"  He passed away later.

Ramachandraiah has done a pure Telugu translation of Talks.  He has also rendered in Telugu, Sri Ramana Stuti Panchakam, Maha Yoga and Guru Ramana Vachana Mala.  Incidentally Oruganti Krishnayya author of Telugu Sri Ramana Leela, is his brother!

(Source: Mountain Path, Advent, 2007)

Arunachala Siva.       

Muruganar says in Guru Vachaka Kovai, verse 459:

Through the destruction of the doltish ego, the triputis, that are based on it fade awasy and end, along with Sakala (the waking and the dream states).  The Pure (suddha) state of daylight that (then)
shines forever is Sivaratri (the night of Siva).

Sakala also implies states to which manifestation occurs.  The Pure
state was explained in the first sentence of GVK, Verse 265.

The Pure state, (Suddha Nilai) exists and shine as unceasing pure being in the Heart (ULLam) after other thoughts that arise from oneself (vikshepa) and the Self-forgetfulness (avarana) that is
the basis for their rising are fully destroyed.

Sakala, which comprises the waking and dream states, alternates
with Kevala, sleep.  However, the three are actually states of the mind or ego not of the Self.  In Sakala, the mind creates the states of waking and dream.  Kevala is its state of dormancy in which it remains unaware of the body or the world.  When the ego dies, Sakala and Kevala both disappear, leaving the state of illumination
that is referred to in the verse.

The daylight that shines in the night of Siva, is a metaphor that indicates waking sleep, the state in which there is luminous and continuous Self-awareneness even in the apparent darkness of physical sleep.

(Saint Tayumanavar sings:  "When can I reach the state, where without sleep I could sleep and enjoy the Bliss?")

(Source: David Godman - GVK. Eng. Translation.)

Arunachala Siva.