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The Death is always fearful.  It is called Fearful Death.  Even
the god of death, Yama in Hindu theology is depicted to be
jet black in colour, riding a jet black ox, and carrying a whip.
His eyes are fuming fire.  Everyone is afraid of death. We
weep, cry, we do some action to overcome that impending
death.  But Bhagavan Ramana, when He had the death experience is Madurai house, observed the death.  He treated
the death as a substance and just observed it.  Ok, let me
see what happens.  This body dies.  Then it is taken to
cremation ground and is burnt to ashes.  But am 'I' dying?
No.  I am shining ever, in the Heart Centre and then everywhere,
I am feeling its pulsations, sphurana.  Thus Bhagavan did not
fear death but investigated it and in the process He conquered
death. For people who can observe death nonchalantly and
find the Source, there is no death, no cremation grounds.  There
was no weeping, no action, no rushing to the elders, no rushing
to the doctors.

Death is called MARANAM in Tamil.  By investigating the
death, Bhagavan became RAMANAM.  This He did it by
self enquriy for the Source.   Bhagavan Ramana says in
one of His conversations:  "That Fire within me, consumed
my mind or death."

Others who cannot do this self enquiry, but have MARANAM, they have to seek the SARANAM, the feet of Mahesa, Siva.  For them Siva becomes ARANAM, the fort in which one can safely stay without the fear of death.

Bhagavan Ramana uses all the three words, Maranam and Aranam, Saranam in Sad Darsanam, Verse 2.   He has prescribed Siva's feet as the ARANAM for who can do Saranagati but not Self enquiry.


Arunachala Siva.

Utthara in Mahabharatam is Abhimanyu's wife.  When
Aswathamma wanted to kill her son, Parikshit, she became
totally afraid, because all the sons of Pandavas had been
killed in the war and Parikshit was to be the only grandson
of the lineage.  She rushed to Sri Krishna.  She did not go
to her fathers-in-laws or husbands or any one of the great
Sages like Vidura who lived at that time.  She knew all these
fellows were mutually seeing the shadows of death,  Parasparam
Mrutyu and the only Deathless person was Sri Krishna.  Only
a deathless person can fight and conquer the death.  She asked
Sri Krishna to save her son, Parikshit.  Sri Krishna sent her
disc to revolve around her womb to save the child.  Parikshit
was thus saved.

Nochur Venkataraman says:  Depend on Bhagavan, but do
vyavahara, negotiation with the world.  Do not negotiate
with Bhagavan and depend on the world.  The world is itself
a Mrutyu, it cannot save you from the sure death.  It is only
Bhagavan who has conquered death can save you from death.

Dependence -  Bhagavan
Vyavahara    -  World

Arunachala Siva.

Dear soham3,

Yes.  There are similar stories about Aryabhatta and Bhaskara.
Both are great mathematicians-astrologers. Ratna and Lilavati,
both looked at the hour-glass and the pearl from their nose
rings fell into the hourglass and thus "delayed" the exact
time.  You are correct.

Aryabhatta's book is Ratna Mukta Vali and Bhasakara's
book is Lilavati.  Both their names have been given to
Indian satellites.

Arunachala Siva.

However great one may be, one cannot avoid death.  Death
is the only certainty in one's life, till he attains the Self.

There was one great mathematician in the ancient days in
India.  He had a daughter by name Ratna.  This mathematician
was also an exponent in astrology.  To his shock, he found
that his daughter, Ratna, would become a widow if she gets
married.  He tormented his brain so much with this prospect
and finally chose a time, a particular minute, in which Ratna
should be married off, so that she would not become a widow.

The exact time was chosen.  In those days, there were no
clocks.  There were only hour-glasses, where water or sand
was used with which the time was calculated.  The bride
and bride groom were ready and everything was ready to
tie the sacred thread around the bride's neck at the appointed
time of great good.  Meantime, while coming to the wedding
dais, Ratna looked into the hourglass and a pearl from her nose
ring fell into the hour glass, thus blocking fall of sand or water
from the upper half to the lower half!  Accordingly, time was
'delayed' a bit.  Marriage was performed.  The father-mathematician was very happy that he had conquered death
of his son-in-law. 

Within a week, the son in law died.  Ratna became a widow!

This mathematician-father is Arya Bhatta, the famous astrologer
of ancient times!  His name is even today used for Indian
satellites.  This man wrote a detailed treatise on astrology
and time calculations and his famous book is called Ratna
Mukta Vali,  The Book of Ratna's Pearl!  He ended this treatise,
by a statement or verse, stating that all this [what he wrote]
might or might not happen, only with Mrutyanjaya's Grace.
Mrutyanjaya is Siva, who conquered death.  He is the Deathless, the master of death, who kicked Yama, the god of death, when
the latter came to take away his devotee Markandeya.

Marana bhayam mikkuLa am makkaL araNaga...... Verse 2
of Sad Darsanam.

Arunachala Siva. 


On this Guru Purnima day, one should remember the Guru
and also the fuitlity of life and definiteness of death that
is staring us all the time.  Nochur Venkataraman told one

There is a patient admitted after heart attack, in the hospital
for a bypass surgery.  All relatives are weeping.  They all
go to the Chief Cardiac Surgeon and tell him:  "You are God
for us.  Please save this patient.  Money does not matter.
Please do the necessary surgery immediately."

The proud Surgeon comes and looks at the patient, his ECG,
etc., and tells his assistants:  "Please arrange for everything
for a bypass surgery and I shall start the work at 10 am tomorrow.  He then comes out and beamingly tells the relatives:
"Look, I am here and there is nothing to worry.  I shall finish
the surgery tomorrow. Please bring Rs 8 lakhs tomorrow,
preferably cash and come to the hospital by 9 am.

The relatives were quite relieved and they all came to the hospital well prepared in the morning.  It is 10 am, it is
10.30 am, the doctor did not turn up.  Around 11 am, a call
came from his residence, saying that the doctor had passed
away due to a cardiac attack the previous night!

This is exactly what is said in Verse 2 of Sad Darsnam.  We
are living in Paraspara Mrutyu, the mutual definiteness of
death!  For people who are living in constant shadow of death,
it is Siva's feet that is our refuge.  This is Saranagati.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Roshan,

Only a few Jnanis who have attained the Self, can throw the
world out and live without the world.  Even in their cases,
the world comes on their own and feeds him. 

But for most of us, we have to be in the world and pursue
bhakti, saranagati, [surrender], and self enquiry along with
our work [karma] for our bread and butter.  This cannot be
avoided.  One can even marry and beget children.  The Self
Realization does not depend on these qualifications or non-
qualifications.  Only thing we have to remember is that the
world is, anityam, impermanent.  Bhagavan Ramana says
that this anityam is also duhkam, sorrow.  But one has to
experience this sorrow amidst some happiness and should
realize the Nityam, the Permanent, the Bliss of the Self.
Fear of death and futility of life is to be constantly remembered, but we cannot shake off the world so easily.

Bhagavan Ramana tells one story.  There is a frog.  It sees
a fly within some centimetres of its tongue and it wants
to jump and gulp the fly.  BUT AT THE SAME IT DOES NOT
amidst the impending death, it looks for its prey.  We are all
like that.  There are only two things as the first two invocatory
verses of Sad Darsnam of Bhagavan says:

1.  Remember the only permanent, eternal thing.  The Self.
2.  Have the fear of death and then seek the feet of God or
Siva, to conquer death.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Thoughts on Guru Poornima Day - 2
« on: July 07, 2009, 11:59:54 AM »
Once there was a visitor who explained his practice to Bhagavan
Ramana.  He said:  "Bhagavan!  We chant guru mantras hundreds and thousands of times on any day and before going
to bed, we submit the merits of these mantras to our Guru
and sleep!"

Bhagavan laughed and then told Muruganar who was sitting
nearby:  "Oye!  Look at these people.  They chant mantras
for the whole day and then give the punya to the Guru!  They
in other words, give the interest to the Guru and retain only
the Principal!"

Muruganar heard this, thought for a while and told Bhagavan
Ramana and others in the Hall:  "Bhagavan!  That Guru is much
better.  He takes only the interest from disciples and allow them
to retain the Principal.  But here, the Guru takes away the
Principal too!"

The Principal is the mind/ego of the devotees!

Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Thoughts on Guru Poornima Day - 1
« on: July 07, 2009, 11:54:34 AM »
I have these anecdotes about Bhagavan Ramana, for this
Guru Poornima Day.

Once a Saiva devotee came to see Bhagavan Ramana in the
Asramam.  He went around the place, had food, looked into
the books and also Matrubhuteswara Temple, where there
was only a brief pooja.  He found no chanting, no bhajans,
no morning and evening arti, no distribution of prasad etc.,!

He was a little confused.  He asked Bhagavan Ramana in a
low tone, with all hesitation:  Bhagavan!  I have been here
for the whole day.  You are a great Guru, there was good food
for us to eat.  But, excepting for occasional conversations, there was only silence.  There were no formal pujas, bhajans,arti
etc., What is your Guru Parampara Sampradaya?"

Bhagavan Ramana kept quiet without answering and had a smile.  He then said:  I am not a guru.

Meantime, one of the devotees, intervened and told the visitor
"Sir, to be without any Sampradaya is our Sampradaya!"

Everyone was amused.

Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Guru Poornima Day - 2009
« on: July 07, 2009, 11:49:23 AM »
Today the Guru Poornima is celebrated as per lunar calendar.
It is the Ashada Pournami Day.  As per Tamil solar calendar,
it is celebrated on 5th August 2009. {Sri Ramanasramam
celebrates on this day}.

This is also called Vyasa Poornima.  Vyasaya Vishnu roopaya...
Vyasa is also Vishnu, Narayana and Narayana is the first
guru.  Sri Dakshinamoorthy is the primordial guru from whom
the Sanaka rishis, four of them took teachings in total silence.
But in practice, the Guru is taken as Vyasa, who took lessons
from Sanaka and others.  Of course, Suka, Narada are also there.
But starting from Vyasa, all gurus are prayed today and given
our thanks and gratitude.

Now, how to give our thanks to Guru?

1. By physically serving him, if you are with him.
2. Or praying to him and contemplating on his form particularly
     his feet on this day.
3.  Placing flowers or flower garlands on his picture or
4.  Or, chanting the mantra given by him, Arunachala Siva.....
5.  Or reading his life history, his books etc.,

Arunachala Siva. 

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Eswara Gita - 2
« on: July 06, 2009, 02:38:09 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Eswara Gita is a wonderful work.  But I am reading the Tamil
poem /prose commentary version of Sri J. Jayaraman.  Original
from Kurma Puranam, with a possible English translation can
be more helpful.  I am finding it difficult to translate even the
Tamil prose.  Sri J. Jayaraman says, that Bhagavan Ramana's
Upadesa Saram is a brief exposition of what is told in Eswara
Gita, even though Bhagavan Ramana did not know anything
about Eswara Gita at that point of time!  All Brahma Jnanis
write the same thing about their experiences!  Only words

Nochur Venkataraman said in Tiruvannamalai that Bhagavan
Ramana's ULLadu Narpadu, Sad Darsanam is again a brief
exposition of Srimad Bhagavatam rid of all its story contents!
Srimad Bhagavatam starts as: Satyam Param Vedam and ends
as Satyam Param deemahi.  There is only Truth and nothing
but Truth.  ULLadu, Truth is the only thing, and all else is Maya!

Arunachala Siva.


General topics / Re: Rudram
« on: July 06, 2009, 02:29:32 PM »
Dear I,

Depending upon the area in which you stay in Bangalore,
you may go to one of the following centres:

1.  Sri Sringeri Sarada Temple, Shankarapuram.  You have
to approach one of the Purohits there and fix a programme
of learning.  There is a Vedapatasala, but you cannot join
there, because they teach there all the Vedas, and only very young brahmin boys who have completed their sacred thread ceremony, can join there.  Purohits also will not agree quite
easily and they will ask for your background, including your
caste and whether you are doing Gayatri sandhya etc.,  Be
truthful and tell them the correct information.

2.  Sri Kanchi Kamakoti Math, 15th cross, Malleswaram.  The
same situation will prevail there.  You have to be truthful
to them.

There are certain pre-requisites:

1. You should know good Sanskrit, its letters, words and
pronounciations.  Even the best Sanskrit pandits falter
and fumble in Sri Rudram.  It is like walking on a razor's edge. Any wrong chanting will cause harm than benefits.

2. It needs at least a total period of about 200 hours. If one
spends a period of say 1 hour per day, you may need  200 days.  Memorizing the whole Sri Rudram, with all the waxing and waning singing [called Ganam and Patam] needs a lot of efforts.  It is not a child's play.  Normally, they will not give audio cassettes for practising.

4. Practising at home should be done with a lot of mental
and body purity, say, bath, applying holy ashes, not wearing
upper cloth and wearing only a dhoti.  It is not like reading
upanishads or Mountain Path.

3. Payment part of it, you can discuss with the teacher.

Arunachala Siva.       

On 24th July 1946, Mr. Bhargava asked:  What is awareness
and how can one obtain and cultivate it?

Bhagavan:  You are awareness.  Awareness is another name
for you.  Since you are awareness there is no need to attain
it or cultivate it.

and he was wondering how it was an answer to his question.
But Bhagavan came to his help by adding: 

All that you have to do is to give up being aware of other
things, that is of the not-Self.  If one gives up being aware
of them then pure awareness alone remains and that is the

On 11th August 1946, at a visitor's request, Bhagavan explained further about concentration.  He said:

Concentrating one's thoughts solely on the Self will lead to
happiness or bliss.  Drawing in the thoughts, restraining them and preventing them from going outwards is called Vairagya.
Fixing them in the Self  is Sadhana or Abhyasa.  Concentrating
on the Heart is the same as the concentrating on the Self.
The Heart is another name for the Self.

(Source:  Day by Day, Devaraja Mudaliar)

Arunachala Siva.       

On 22nd July 1946 [afternoon]  Mr. K.M. Jivarajani asked:

Can one concentrate at one time on one centre and at another
time on another or should one concentrate always consistently
on the same centre?

Bhagavan Ramana: As I have just said, there cane be no harm
wherever you concentrate, because concentration is only giving
up thoughts.  Whatever the centre or object on which you
concentrate , he who concentrates is always the same.

(Source:  Day by Day, Devaraja Mudaliar)

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Eswara Gita - 2
« on: July 06, 2009, 01:31:11 PM »
Verse 41: 

Just as the total darkness is never in association with bright
sunshine, the Jnani never associates himself with the wordly
activities, even though he may be inside the world, eating,
drinking, attending nature calls and sleeping.  It is like
Parameswara being in Prapancha and Maya.

Verse 43:

There is no liberation for anyone, if he remains in ignorance
which is 'tamas'.  But even in such a person, the Self is always
within, but unknown and unattained.

Verse 44:

The sages who have realized the light of Paramasive, [the Self] always see him as total brightness, as Purna Prakasa Swarupa
without taint, without change, beyond happiness and misery,
eternal and with no dissolution.

Verse 45:

When one says, 'I am doing, I am the karta, I am happy or
I am miserable, I am ageing, I am diseased, I am dying'
he is not realized.  Only when he knows that it is his ego,
which is telling all these, he will make efforts to overcome this ego and and begin his Jnana Vichara.

Arunachala Siva. 

One small visit to a house on the last day, that is, 3rd July 2009
has to be mentioned.  On that morning, one of the bookstall
employees told me that we have to visit one house, very close
and opposite to Asramam inside the street called Sivan Street.,
There the various articles used by Yogi Ram Surat Kumar have
been kept as a small museum in the house named Sudhama.
This is the house owned by a lady-devotee of Ram Surat Kumar.
The Yogi had stayed here for about 3 to 4 years without stirring
out!  The Yogi was given bath and food and cigarettes and he
stayed there and slept at nights too. 

We had been to that nice house.  There are hundreds of clothes,
dhotis, head gears , shirts towels, used by him, nicely washed and ironed and kept in a glass cupboard.  There is again one more glass cupboard, with his various coconut shells which he used for his bhiksha.  Then there is a small tower made out
of the Charminar Cigarette Packets [about 5000 nos!]  used by
him, with ash trays, matchboxes etc.,   There are kitchen utensils, a swing, a bed and some sofas.  There is also one   
amla tree planted by him and which has grown big and amla
fruits were given as prasad to visiting devotees.

There is a small book shelf with Bhagavatam and other such
books.   The museum is well maintained.

Yogi Ram Surat Kumar's mammoth Ashram was constructed
over his Samadhi by this same devotee.

I am told, that Ram Surat Kumar used to visit Sri Ramanasramam occasionally and take food, with invitation
by Mr. Ganesan.

Arunachala Siva.