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Dear Matthias,

Yes.  You said it.  Practise both the types and continue what is
more suited to you.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear David,

I am happy to note your responses.  The mind is the mirror, how to
clean it?  To remove the dirt, the unwanted objective thoughts have
to be controlled and finally annihilated. If you see a mirror, you
see a two-day old beard and you shave it.  This is the process.

Do not worry about killing the mind.  This will happen at the
appropriate time.  Killing of mind per se, need not be feared.
We are so used to the mind-body consciousness and we are
afraid of losing it.  It may in the beginning, give you a feeling
of emptiness and unmanageable fear that you may start feeling
that you are going mad!  This is again the mind's mischief.

Arunachala Siva.     

General topics / Re: Miracles
« on: October 22, 2008, 06:44:50 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

I always like T.S. Eliot.  He said:

I shall not cease from exploration,
And at the end of all exploring
To know the place for the first time!

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: what is Ananda
« on: October 22, 2008, 05:34:55 PM »
As srkudai said, Bliss is our real nature.  The problem is that we
think all unreal bliss is our bliss.  The entire sadhana is to remove
this idea that the bliss is outside and we have to seek it in the

Arunachala Siva.

Someone asked Annamalai Swami:

Is the ability to remember "I am the Self" part of one's own destiny?

Annamalai Swami replied:

If you are the Self, no destiny will affect you.  If you tear off your
shirt, does that mean that you are also torn?  No.  Something has
happened to something and that is not you.   Similarly, the body
and the mind will experience pleasure, happiness, misery and so on,
all according to the karma that has been brought into hhis life.
But the Self has not attachment, no detachment, no happiness or
unhappiness, and no karma.  The body is not the Self, the mind is
not the Self.  The real "I" is the Self and nothing ever happens to the
Self.  Thoughts will come as long as the potential for them is inside you.
Good thoughts, bad thoughts, they will all keep coming.  There is
nothing you can do about them.  But at the same time, this flow of thoughts need not be a problem. Be the Self, be t he peace that is
your real nature, and it will not matter that what comes up. Walk,
eat, drink, sleep, meditate, but never think that you are the one who
is doing these things.  The thought that you are doing something is
is the thought that is poisoning your life. .......... You don't have to do
anything to experience the nectar of the Self. All that you need to do
is to drop the idea that you are doing anything at all.

(Source:  Annamalai Swami - Final Talks - Ed. David Godman.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Grace of a Guru
« on: October 22, 2008, 05:17:04 PM »
Bhagavan Ramana while answering questions about Guru Krupa,
or Guru's Grace has said:

"Guru is Atma.  In certain cases people get dissatisfaction in worldly
life and perform poojas etc., Even though these poojas are for a
selfish wish, the person continues to do such poojas and meditation
and eventually wants to know the God.  At that time a human Guru
comes to him to give upadesa.  This makes him calm and he does
dhyana to quieten the mind further.  The peaceful, non vacillating
Space is Atma.  Guru is both outside and within.  The outside Guru
pushes his mind into the Self. The Self pulls him from outside to inside.
God, Guru and Atma is one and the same.  ......

So long as you consider your body real, an outside Guru may become
necessary.  When this falsity drops off, the Guru from inside operates
more and he will not be different from Atma, or the Self within.

(Source:  Maharshi Voi Mozhi - Tamil.)

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes.  Jnanis had the will to leave the body at any place and at
anytime.  Viveka Choodmani says, Jnanis do not care whether
the body is left behind in a forest or in a temple precincts or on
a river.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Ramanaduli,

American photographers and pressmen did not anticipate anything
in the sky.  They were only anxious about whether Bhagavan would
leave the body.  They all saw the star rising and perching on the Hills.
As far as I know, they DID NOT TAKE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS, because
no such photo is available even in Sri Ramansramam publications.
No one India or elsewhere took photographs.  Very many people
saw the star.  Some devotees 'felt' the happening.  That is all.
If your people could have seen the star, they should be lucky.

Arunachala Siva.

M. Sodousky writes:

There are two states of samadhi.  One is temporary samadhi.  It is
a spiritual ecstasy appearing spontaneously, sporadically, or even
as a result of deliberate efforts, but lasting only for a brief time.
But for someone, who is made perfect, who appear like meteor on
the spiritual firmament of humanity, this may lead to the lasting
and absolute samadhi.  Yet, as we know nothing about this supreme
state, called by Sri Ramana Maharshi, a 'natural state' or Sahaja
Samadhi, we are quite unable to discuss. somce ot would be useless
as to try to solve an equation with too many unknowns! I think
its relation to the waking styate is just the same as the waking to
the sleeping one.

No one can reach this lofty state through curiosity or the so called
"passion for knowledge."  It is your motive, the purpose you want
to achieve, that alone is the factor deciding the success.  Only
intuition can guide you.  If you are ripe for the wholehearted desire
to exchange all that is transitory in yourself for the permanent and
eternal, when the eternal becomes more important for you than all
the seeming 'reality' of the visible world, you will be capable and
ready for the great effort, then only will the neceesary assistance
is given to you.

We can find much light on the subject of higher states of consciousness
in the following books:

1. Varieties of Religious Experiences - a classic by Prof. William James.
2. A Search in Secret India and other works by Paul Brunton.
3. The incomparable Maha Yoga, by Lakshmana Sarma, 'Who'.

One should also read the very valuable book Ramana Maharshi and
the Path of Self Knowledge, by Arthur Osborne.

The Path is always open.

(Source: In Days of Great Peace - M. Sodouksy - Mouni Sadhu.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / The Glory of Arunachala
« on: October 22, 2008, 02:30:29 PM »
The Maharshi once said: " Arunachala destroys attachment to worldly
things, that is, to the objects of physical illusion."

M. Sodousky says:

" This I proved later, when I found that every time Arunachala
was mentioned or described by those who regarded it as their
beacon, I felt this worldly illusion disappearing from my thoughts,
falling into shadows of ureality, which is their true source."

"The peak of Arunachala points the way upwards, a way always
the same and unchangeable throughout the ages. It speaks to
us in the language of Silence, as Maharshi does."

"Whoever has reached the state of an uninturrupted union with,
or merging in truth, is a master, a superman.  He is one for ever
with the Source of his inspiration, the mysterious Arunachala.
At the feet of such a great one, I now have the privilege to abide."

"Nothing can happen without a purpose, or in vain.  The light
of Arunachala, will show me further steps upwards, as it has
already revealed the meaning of the most enigmatic of all truth:
'To live, one must lose oneself,' that is our transient 'I'. As the
Maharshi points out:* ' Here on eartrh there exists a rare remedy
which helps those who have recognized the illusory character
of htier personality, to discard and even destroy it, without destroying
themselves physically.  Know it to be none other than this Great
Arunachala.' "   

(* Arunachala Stuti Panchakam - Bhagavan Ramana.)

All is silence and peace.  The fresh eastern breeze is now blowing!

(Source:  In Days of Great Peace - M. Sodousky - Mouni Sadhu.)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / M. Sodousky's thoughts
« on: October 22, 2008, 02:05:03 PM »
M. Sodousky, Mouni Sadhu, quotes one or two golden utterances
of Bhagavan, which he kept with him for constant meditation
and contemplation.

Why should a man seek light when he is facing its very Source?

The light permeates our being thorugh and through to give us an
insight into all the mistakes and imperfections of our 'ego', our
little insignificant personality.  The presene of the Source makes it
possible for the rays to penetrate our being naturally and most
infallibly from within, as it were, and not from without. So, there
is no fear of an imposition, or suggestion of anything from outside.
Then begins the slow process of purification, arising out of the
contemplation of the living example.

What is salvation?

The thought of 'salvation', so often dimming the sight of those
who seeks a selfish 'heaven', now seems ridiculous.   The real
'salvation' will come when the very object seeking salvation

Once the Maharshi, when asked, "What is the primordial sin"
spoken of by one of the great religions of the world, answered:
"It is the illusion of a separate personal existence."  This is
indeed the source and root of all blunders and sufferings.  In
truth, what can be expected from withdrawing into a narrow
circle of selfish personal life?  Only an unavoidable destruction
of the man who, is himself putting a sword into the hands of death,
whose duty is to annihilate that which really never been more that
to nothingness.

(Source:  M. Sodousky, Mouni Sadhu's  "In Days of Great Peace."

Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Re: what is Ananda
« on: October 22, 2008, 01:50:05 PM »
Dear matthias,

We have to use the mind to kill the mind.  It is a peculiar situation,
something like asking a thief to catch the thief.  But this cannot
be avoided.  When you ask the mind, "Am I the mind?" the mind
will run away.  It is, as Bhagavan Ramana said, like that "on being
identified that he is a thief, the thief will run away."

Who am I? is not a thinking process in the real sense.  It is not
a mantra to meditate or chant.  It is the final question.  Like the
stick that is used to stir the burning a funeral pyre, it is used to strir
and and burn all the thoughts.  But this stick is not carried home.
It also burns at the end.  The mind goes to its Source, the Source
of everything and the Self, the Source,  reveals itself.

(Courtesy:  Who am I? - Bhagavan Ramana - 1901-1902.)

Arunachala Siva.   

Regarding Bhagavan Ramana's Maha Nirvana and about the
star or meteor rising at 8.47 PM on that night, there are
several views.  The only fact is that a meteor or a star
swiftly rose up at that exact time, went past the northern
side of the Hills and perched itself on the top of the Hills.

Several American photographers and pressmen who were waiting
for the event were standing about half a mile from the nirvana
room and no one excepting the doctors and attendants were nearby.
Someone suddenly saw the star or a meteor rising.  This was seen
in many parts of the town and India and Papaji is also reported to
have seen this in Lucknow.  Lakshmanaswmi saw it in the Hills.
Wolter Kiers "felt the happening" in a far off place.

Major Chadwick says the fact remains that many many people
saw this happening and it coincided with Bhagavan Ramana's
Maha Nirvana.  He says that he cannot say anything beyond that.
He is neither able to take it as miraculous happening nor as a
natrual event.

(Source: Sadhuvin Ninaivugal - Major Chadwick - Sadhu Arunachala.)

Arunachala Siva.       

Once when Major Chadwick asked Bhagavan Ramana:  "How
come that people do not want simple ways and solutions?"
Bhagavan Ramana replied: "Yes, that is the nature of the people.
They want elaborate and secret ways and solutions."  For example,
Christians like if some one says that God is somewhere in Heaven,
and he can be reached only through dioceses.  Only Jesus knows
the God. They are not satisfied if some one says: "The Kingdom
of God is within you."  Excepting the advanced seekers, others
want complicated methods to satisfy them.

One day Bhagavan Ramana said: "Saint Manikkavachagar dissolved
his body in a large effulgence."  I asked Him:  "How is it possible?"
Bhagavan answered:  "The body is a compressed mind.  When mind
is dissolved in Jnana, the body also gets dissolved.  Saint Nandanar,
is also an example for this."  I pursued saying: " Yes.  In Bible it
is said that Eliza left for heavens in a chariot of fire.  Since it is
said in a poetic form, many do not understand this.  Perhaps, Jesus
disappearing from the tomb may also mean this."  Bhagavan intervened
and said: "No. It is different. Jesus lived for some more time after
crucifixion."  Jnanis can live in subtle bodies in the firm of light
and sound vibrations.

Bhagavan when questioned by a commission which came for
enquiring about the Asram ownership, whether He is an avatara
of Subrahmanya,"  Bhagavan did not give any reply.  (Here
Annamalai Swami says that Bhagavan answered: "I am Subrahmanya.
I am every one!")

Bhagavan also said:  "An avatara is a small part of Godhead. But
a Jnani is God Himself."

Bhagavan has also said that a Jnani can leave his body, at his will,
in any manner that he likes.  This idea is also said in Kaivalya Navaneetam
and Viveka Choodamani.

Arunachala Siva.

Bhagavan Ramana always advised His devotees that no one
should take the highly responsible work of a Guru-ship.  It
might make them to learn siddhis to please their devotees in turn
and it shall prevent them from reaching their goals.

When Bhagavan Ramana was very ill during the last months,
Narayana Rao, the doctor asked Him to live longer to help the
devotees.  Bhagavan replied him with all the kindness:

"Guru's paramount duty is to ensure His Permanent Presence
to the devotees.  After this is done, He should have no difficulty
to leave His body."

This clearly shows that Bhagavan has ensured His Permanent
Presence to all His devotees.  He did  not prescribe any qualification
for His devotees excepting taking Moderate Sattvic food and maintaining
a Sat Sangh. Since the food makes up the body and since the mind
is only a compressed body, He insisted on the Sattvic food.

(Source:  Sadhuvin Ninaivugal - Major Chadwick - Sadhu Arunachala.)

Arunachala Siva.