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13561
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 16, 2015, 01:25:19 PM »
Asambavana consists in the persistence of the doubts that even though the ultimate authority
(Pramana) regarding Vedanta avers that non dual Brahman is the final conclusion of all Vedantic,
still, when we actually perceive the yawning differences between the Jivas, Jagat and Isvara,
how can this non dualism (Advaita) be true?  This is overcome by cogitation consisting in
comparing the experiences of the three states, waking, dream and deep sleep.

Viparita bhavana is the persistence, due to the oppressive influence of beginning-less ignorance
(Anandavidya), of the conviction that this perceived world is real,  in spite of all the teaching heard
and cogitated upon.  That can be destroyed by concentrated meditation (Nididhyasna) taking the form
of a continuous and unbroken flow of thought on Brahman as the only reality.

Unless these three obstacles are overcome, the flame of knowledge, being hindered by these obstacles,
will not be able to burn away ignorance and its products. As an example of this may be cited how fire,
naturally capable of burning everything to ashes, will not be able to destroy even a blade of dry grass,
if it is obstructed by the power of magical gem, or incantations, or certain potent drugs (Mani
Mantra Aushadha).  When the above mentioned obstacles to the dawn of knowledge are eliminated
then, just as fire, freed from the influence of Mani, Mantra and Aushadha, destroys a  heap of grass,
immediately, knowledge destroys ignorance and all its products.

contd.,


Arunachala Siva.           

13562
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 16, 2015, 01:08:14 PM »
Then am I to understand that the Atman will not be responsible at all for the meritorious and sinful
actions of living beings and thus be subject to their fruits?

This does not happen just as the virtuous and sinful deeds of beings and their fruits do not affect
the Sun whose presence makes them possible.  Another illustration can be found in a magnet.
In its presence pieces of iron move, but the magnet is not affected by these movements.  In the
same way the Atman's non contactuality and unchangeableness are not affected in the least.

The conviction regarding this well known nature of the Atman does not arise in our minds in spite
of the instructions of the Guru, because of three obstacles.   These are --- Samsaya bhavana,
Asambhavana and Vipartia bhavana.  Samsaya bhavana consists in the doubt that just as there
are different versions like Upanayana and others prescribed in different branches of Rg Veda,
in the same way there are many different branches of philosophies about the nature of the Atman,
in the doctrines taught by in different branches of Rg Veda.  This doubt can be destroyed by
hearing of all the teachings of Vedanta.


contd.,

Arunachala Siva.

13563
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 16, 2015, 12:57:27 PM »
Then the Atman will derive the fruits of the meritorious and the sinful actions of all beings,
as it is the Atman that makes it possible for them to do those actions.

No.  The Atman will not be deriving the fruits of those actions.  It is true that it is the Sun,
who by his mere presence, makes it possible for all beings to do virtuous and the sinful
acts. Still their actions do not affect the Sun. This is the case with the Atman too.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.     

13564
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 16, 2015, 12:52:40 PM »
Then what is meant by the doctrine that Atman is the Lord of the senses  and the indweller
of everything?

It means that just like the Sun, the Atman is the Lord of the senses and the indweller of
everything?

It means just like the Sun, the Atman, by its mere presence makes every activity possible.
The presence of the Atman makes it possible for all living beings to act.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.   

13565
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 16, 2015, 12:28:17 PM »
How can agency be possible for inert entities like attachment and aversion?
An inert thing like a pot does not act as an agent prompting another pot, which too is
an inert entity?

There is some truth in what you say. But in special contexts inert entities also can  become
prompters.  When that special context is absent, the inert entity cannot become a prompter.
An inert quantity like heat in a context arising by the combination of it with sulphur, carbon
etc., propels shells from cannons and causes the destruction of traditional armies with their
four divisions of infantry, cavalry, elephant regiment and array of chariots with archers.
Take another instance.  A dead body is inert but it prompts the relatives of the man to perform
the obsequies. In the same way though attachment and aversion are inert, they can none
the less the prompters of action.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

13566
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 16, 2015, 12:19:38 PM »
When I was a little girl:

Kitty Osborne:

continues...

Lakshmi the cow came sometimes as Bhagavan was her special friend, but usually he went to visit
her in the cowshed.  A rabbit came once I was told  but I never saw it, neither did I see the visiting
crow but on the way and another we all ... human and non human loved His company and to be
in His presence, and be blessed.  Perhaps even the mosquitoes, spiders and beetles were blessed!

I never learned to meditate properly although I deeply admire people who can do it. My parents
could meditate for hours but I always thought of something I just had to tell Bhagavan. Nowadays
what i tend to do is go and sit and the Hall and silently came tell Bhagavan everything He could care
to know. I tell Him the news of my home and family and ask His advice on various matters where
I need help.  Often the answers pop into my head as I sit there and I am so grateful for His wisdom
and counsel.  Of course, I could be deluding myself but I truly hope and think not.

concluded.

Arunachala Siva.       

13567
The Microcosm:

We look upon the world basically in terms of the matter contained in it.  Matter, as we know,
is composed of atoms and molecules,the molecules themselves being chemical combinations
of two or more atoms.  Elementary science tells that an atom comprises principally three kinds
of particles,viz., protons, neutrons and electrons.

Electrons were thus at first visualized as particles. But in the year 1927, evidence came to light
not merely electrons, exhibits such duality.  Interestingly, where the particle nature of matter shows
forth, its wave nature lies dormant, and where its wave nature lies dormant, and where its wave
nature shows forth, the particle nature lies dormant. It is as though nature is two faced, and is
playing pranks with us showing one face at a time!       

The mystery of matter does not end there.  Any wave is normally understood as an oscillation
of something physical in space and time.  When we drop a stone in the pond, the waves created
in it are due to oscillations of he water particles.  Similarly sound waves reach from oscillations
of pressure, and light waves from oscillations of electric and magnetic fields. 

contd.,

Arunachala Siva. 

13568
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 16, 2015, 10:04:55 AM »
10. AruL OLi:  The grace of Siva:


Verse 1:


அருளில் தலைநின் றறிந்தழுந் தாதார்
அருளில் தலைநில்லார் ஐம்பாசம் நீங்கார்
அருளின் பெருமை அறியார் செறியார்
அருளின் பிறந்திட்(டு) அறிந்தறி வாரே. (1)



Be Born in Grace and Receive Grace

Those who do not take their firm stand on Grace
And in conscious determination steep in it not,
Will never Grace receive;
Nor be freed of Pasas Five*
They will not know greatness that Grace gives;
They will not resolute be;
They alone know Grace who to Grace are born.


Arunachala Siva.

13569
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 16, 2015, 10:01:24 AM »
9. Tiru AruL Vaippu:  The method of Siva out of His Grace:

Verse 1:


இருபத மாவ திரவும் பகலும்
உருவது வாவ துயிரும் உடலும்
அருளது வாவ தறமும் தவமும்
பொருளது வுள்நின்ற போகம தாமே. (1)


Truth is Indivisible

Darkness (ignorance) and Light (knowledge)
Are the states two;
Life and body are the forms two;
Dharma and penance are the graces two;
Truth is but the blessing within.


Arunachala Siva.
 

13570
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:58:08 AM »
8. Sampradayam - The Method:

Verse 1:

உடல்பொருள் ஆவி உதகத்தால் கொண்டு
படர்வினைப் பற்றறப் பார்த்துக் கைவைத்து
நொடியின் அடிவைத்து நுண்ணுணர் வாங்கிக்
கடிய பிறப்பறக் காட்டினன் நந்தியே.  (1)


Lord appears as Siva Guru and gives initiation

My body, wealth and life,
He took from me as sacrificial offering,
Through ritual appropriate;
He directed his spiritual glance at me
And dispelled my Karma`s network to destruction;
And then He laid His hands on me
And planting His Feet on my head
In a trice imparted Spiritual Awareness
And thus my birth`s cycle He ended
He, the Nandi,
Through these acts of Diksha, successive.


Arunachala Siva.

13571
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:54:59 AM »
7.  Siva Lingam:


Verse 1:


குரைக்கின்ற வாரிக் குவலயம் நீரும்
பரக்கின்ற காற்றும் பயில்கின்ற தீயும்
நிரைக்கின்ற வானிவை நீண்டகன் றானை
வரைத்து வலம்செயு மாறறி யேனே. (1)


Siva is Immanent and Transcendent

He pervades the roaring waters of the seas
He permeates the spreading winds and flaming fire
Thus is He immanent in all Nature
Yet I know Him not, adore Him not.

Arunachala Siva.

13572
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:51:29 AM »
6.  Jnana Lingam:


Verse 1:


உருவும் அருவும் உருவோ டருவும்
மருவும் பரசிவன் மன்பல் லுயிர்க்கும்
குருவும் எனநிற்கும் கொள்கைய னாகும்
தருவென நல்கும் சதாசிவன் தானே. (1)

Lord is Bounteous

As Form, the Formless and Form-Formless
Thus is Parasiva in all life immanent;
As Guru, too, He stands;
Unto the Kalpaka tree He bounties bestows
He, the Sadasiva.

Arunachala Siva.

13573
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:48:27 AM »
5. Atma Lingam:

Verse 1:


அகார முதலாய் அனைத்துமாய் நிற்கும்
உகார முதலாய் உயிர்ப்பெய்து நிற்கும்
அகார உகாரம் இரண்டும் அறியில்
அகார உகாரம் இலிங்கம தாமே. (1)

In the Beginning was Aum

Akaram (A) as beginning, all exist
Ukaram (U) as beginning, all life exists
If Akaram Ukaram are together known
Akaram Ukaram is but Linga divine.

Arunachala Siva.


13574
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:45:46 AM »
4. Sadasiva Lingam:

Verse 1:


கூடிய பாதம் இரண்டும் படிமிசை
பாடிய கையிரண் டெட்டும் பரந்தெழும்
தேடும் முகம்ஐந்தும் செங்கயல் மூவைந்தும்
நாடும் சதாசிவ நல்லொளி முத்தே. (1)


Sadasiva form with Five Faces

His twin Feet are planted on earth below;
The ten hands, the holy in praise sing,
In directions all spread;
Five His Faces that are sought,
Five times three his eyes fiery;
Thus is Sadasiva that you seek
The Pearl that is lustrous, beyond, beyond compare.

Arunachala Siva.

13575
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 16, 2015, 09:42:33 AM »
3. Pinda Lingam -  The human form is Siva Linga:


Verse 1:


மானுடர் ஆக்கை வடிவு சிவலிங்கம்
மானுடர் ஆக்கை வடிவு சிதம்பரம்
மானுடர் ஆக்கை வடிவு சதாசிவம்
மானுடர் ஆக்கை வடிவு திருக்கூத்தே. (1)


Human form is Siva Linga

The Human Form is like Siva Lingam
The Human Form is like Chidambaram
The Human Form is like Sadasivam
The Human Form is like the Holy Dance, forsooth.

Arunachala Siva.

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