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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 23, 2015, 09:18:22 AM »

பூதம் யாவையின் உள்ளலர் போதென
வேத மூலம் வெளிப்படு மேதினிக்
காதல் மங்கை இதய கமலமாம்
மாதொர் பாகனார் ஆருர் மலர்ந்ததால் .

?In every embodied soul, the heart burgeons
Even as a bud blossoms; from the lotus-heart
Of the lovely Mother-Earth
Whence efflorvesces the seed of the Vedas
Aroor of Ardhanariswara has blossomed.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 23, 2015, 09:16:02 AM »
Verse 42:

அத்தி ருப்பதி யில்நமை ஆளுடை
மெய்த்த வக்கொடி காண விருப்புடன்
நித்தன் நீடிய அம்பலத் தாடும்மற்று
இத்தி றம்பெற லாந்திசை எத்திசை.

?In that holy realm, the eternal Lord dances willingly
In the great Ambalam, for ever, in the presence
Of our Mother, the divine liana of true tapas.
Which other direction can rival the South in its glory?

Arunachala Siva,

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 23, 2015, 08:47:38 AM »
Verse 41:

பொருவ ருந்தவத் தான்புலிக் காலனாம்
அருமு னியெந்தை அர்ச்சித்து முள்ளது
பெருமை சேர்பெரும் பற்றப் புலியூரென்று
ஒருமை யாளர்வைப் பாம்பதி ஓங்குமால் .

The great tapaswi then replied thus:
?Perumpatra-p-Puliyur is here situate, adored by
My father Vyagrapada, the great saint of peerless tapas;
It flourishes as the treasure of those
Who adore the Lord with single-minded devotion.   

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: December 23, 2015, 07:25:32 AM »

Prabhavati Devi got married not long ago.  It must have been a year back. For about two years
before her marriage, she was staying in the Asramam.  She was a girl from Maharashtra,good looking
and cultured.  She wanted to be a great bhakta like Saint Meerabhai and so used to sing
and dance and say that she would never marry, and she would don ochre robe. She behaved like a
naughty child before Bhagavan.  Bhagavan knew that her naughtiness would not leave her until
she got married.  As last, somehow, she did get married.  Immediately after the wedding,
the bride and the bridegroom came in the wedding attire to the Asramam, with their relatives and
offerings of fruits and flowers, and  bowed down before Bhagavan Ramana.

After a stay for two or three days, she came to Bhagavan one morning at 8'O clock with her
husband seeking Bhagavan's blessings before leaving to set up home in her husband's
place.  Squirrels were playing about Bhagavan's sofa and peacocks were wandering outside the Hall.
There were not many people.  It was calm and quiet in the Hall.  The young man bowed down to
Bhagavan with awe and respect, took leave of Him and stood waiting on the side of the doorway.
With downcast looks and bubbling shyness and tearful eyes,the child of the Asramam while waiting there for Bhagavan's permission, looked like Shakuntala trying to tear away from the Kanva Maharshi's Ashram.  Bhagavan nodded His head in token of approval and then she bowed down to Him. No
sooner had she crossed the threshold, Bhagavan remaked looking at Suri Nagamma, "It was only
yesterday, she had the chapter of Krishnavatar in Bhagavatam, copied out by Sundaresa Iyer."
I said with delight, "She will come with a child in her arms, when she comes here next year."

Meanwhile, she began to sing in a full throated song full of devotion and voice as sweet as a nightingale
while going round the Hall in Pradakshina.  Bhagavan Ramana was so evidently moved and like Kanva Maharshi himself, He said: "Do you hear the hymn from Mukundamala?"  My eyes
were filled with tears.

(Source: Suri Nagamma, Letters from Sri Ramanasramam,
24th November 1945.)

Arunachala Siva.       


Bhagavan Ramana says in Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai:

I came to You and I  saw You.  But how can I say I saw you.  I cannot say I did not see You either.
Because You are only there?  [I cannot distinguish I and You]!

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Sleep and Recuperation -
« on: December 22, 2015, 02:29:38 PM »
Sleep deprivation has a wide range of negative effects that go way beyond day time drowsiness.
Lack of sleep affects your judgement, coordination and reaction times. In fact, sleep deprivation
can affect you just like the use of alcohol.  Some people tend to think that they can make up
for lost sleep during the week by sleeping more on the week ends.  This sleeping pattern will not
completely make up for the lack of sleep. Furthermore, sleeping more on the week ends can affect
your sleep cycle so that it is much harder to go to sleep at the right time on Sunday nights and get
up early on Monday mornings.


Arunachala Siva.   

General Discussion / Re: Bhagavan, Now and to Come
« on: December 22, 2015, 11:40:43 AM »
One can just as well say that Bhagavan creates 'himself' in our consciousness.  This is the way of
the kitten (maarajala-nyaya) where without any efforts on our side Bhagavan enters and becomes
one with our consciousness.  How does this occur?

We can meditate upon His form or engage in the practice of Atma Vichara until it becomes effortless,
much like breathing. We can read His teachings, we can read and listen to stories about His life
and how he responded to the inevitable challenges of our daily life.  It is here that it is important
to be clear and direct in our approach.  At a certain level, Bhagavan is a wish-fulfiller, though not
necessarily the way we might suppose.  More often the desire is seen for what it is worth in the
greater scheme of things as paltry and not worthy of consideration; just as our insistent questions
will die in the face of a greater reality.  We learn, or rather, we become quiet, seemingly through
no effort of our own.  Until we do that we cannot hear what Bhagavan has to teach us.


Arunachala Siva.     

General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:52:59 AM »
How can we know that Brahman who is said to be identical with this Pratyagatman is without
the above mentioned limitations?

The pot is real, the cloth is real, the wall is real, the earth is real, water is real, fire is real, air
is real, sky is real.  All these varied objects which are elements and made of elements are
considered by us as real.  From this itself the reality (Sattamikatva) and all pervasiveness
(Vibhutva) of the Atman become clear. Such all pervading Atman cannot be limited by space.
For the same reason the Atman is eternal (Anadi).

What is eternal cannot have the limitations of time, of which we think in terms of past, present
and future.  It means that the Atman is beyond time. In the same way, that it is beyond Space.
This is the meaning of being Anadi.


Arunachala Siva.       

General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:46:32 AM »
The intention of this questioner is not to win through specious arguments.  The intention is only
the clearing of a doubt.

Then understand what is said hereafter.  The three limitations of time, space and individuality
are present only in the body and not in the Atman.  The all inclusiveness and unlimitedness of
the Atman who is all pervading has none of these limitations. 


Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:43:04 AM »
If the Atman alone is indivisible and unitary, one must be able to see all these characteristics
together in a single apprehension.  But one does not see so.  I feel that I am standing in this
place and not in that place.  So the Atman cannot be said to have no limitation of space.  So
the Atman cannot be said to have no limitation of space.  The perception I have got that I was
born ten years ago and I shall be dying ten years after now, proves that the Atman has limitation
of time. When I have the feeling that I am a Brahmana and not a Kshatriya how can you deny
that limitation of individuality in the Atman?  Since all these differences are there how can I accept
that the Atman is without limitation?

In the 11th chapter the characteristics of Atman and non Atman have been stated as follows:

Atman is without any internal or external limitations while Anatman has got all kinds of limitations.
It was also said there whatever is seen in the Atman is not actually there but only superimposed
on it.  What is superimposed on anything has no actuality even when the superimposition is perceived
during any period during any period of time.  In spite of this knowledge, you are again asking the
characteristic of Atman to be described.  This befits only an opponent determined to defeat another
in argument by fair means or foul and not honest inquirer whose intention is to learn.


Arunachala Siva.             

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:26:47 AM »
Verse 40:

அந்த ணாளரும் ஆங்கது கேட்டவர்
பந்த மானுடப் பாற்படு தென்றிசை
இந்த வான்றிசை எட்டினும் மேற்பட
வந்த புண்ணியம் யாதென மாதவன்.

he saints of loving kindness,
Who were listening to him said:
?All the eight directions are realms where souls
Get embodied befitting their karma; what especial piety
Has indeed been wrought by the South
To merit in its realm, his incarnation??   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:24:57 AM »
Verse 39:

அங்க ணாளன் அதற்கருள் செய்தபின்
நங்கை மாருடன் நம்பிமற் றத்திசை
தங்கு தோற்றத்தில் இன்புற்றுச் சாருமென்று
அங்க வன்செயல் எல்லாம் அறைந்தனன்.

The Lord of great compassion said: ?Let it be so.?
Then he and the damsel-pair, as gracious mortals
Took birth in the South and lived in connubial joy.
They have now hither returned.?
To his holy audience Upamanyu fully narrated their lives.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:23:13 AM »
Verse 38:

கைக ளஞ்சலி கூப்பிக் கலங்கினான்
செய்ய சேவடி நீங்குஞ் சிறுமையேன்
மையல் மானுட மாய்மயங் கும்வழி
ஐய னேதடுத் தாண்டருள் செய்என.

?Hearing this he was dismayed;
Folding his hands in worship, he addressed Him thus:
?O Lord, if in my confounding human state
I stand bewildered, do redeem me
By Your gracious intercession.?   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:21:23 AM »
Verse  37:

ஆதி மூர்த்தி அவன்திறம் நோக்கியே
மாதர் மேல்மனம் வைத்தனை தென்புவி
மீது தோன்றிஅம் மெல்லிய லாருடன்
காதல் இன்பம் கலந்தணை வாயென.

?The Primal Lord beheld him and said:
?You set your mind on the damsel-pair;
Be born in the southern realm;
Be linked with them in loving joy, and then return.?   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:19:21 AM »
Verse 36:

முன்னம் ஆங்கவன் மொய்ம்முகை நாண்மலர்
என்னை யாட்கொண்ட ஈசனுக் கேய்வன
பன்ம லர்கொய்து செல்லப் பனிமலர்
அன்னம் அன்னவ ருங்கொண் டகன்றபின்.

?He gathered many many flowers -- fit for the Lord,
That were about to bloom and sought by bees,
And went away; like him the pen-like lasses
Also gathered cool flowers and hied away.   

Arunachala Siva.

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