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Origin and Nature of the Universe:

Science traces the evolution of the universe to about 13.7 billion years in the past.  The Universe was
then supposed to be extremely small, and so it nominally taken to be the time of its 'birth.' Since
small, and so it is nominally taken to be the time of its 'birth'.  Since the entire mass and energy of the
universe were concentrated in a very small space, the universe was unimaginably dense and hot at the
time -- so hot that no ordinary matter could have been present in it.  For some inexplicable reason, the
universe, then underwent a catastrophic explosion, called the 'big bang' and its matter started flying
out at enormous speeds, in all directions.

As the universe expanded, its density and temperature progressively decreased. It took about 380,000
years for ordinary matter, as atoms to evolve in it.  Initially the matter was in the form of clouds of gas,
which slowly condensed into individual galaxies. A galaxy is a gigantic cluster of stars and their planets,
along with any interstellar dust, debris etc., The expansion is expected to go on indefinitely.

Viewed from any galaxy, all the other galaxies would be seen receding away from it in all directions
at ever increasing speeds

contd.,

Arunachala Siva. .             

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General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:57:53 PM »
That which is without a beginning  must be without an end.  So if ignorance is without a beginning,
it will surely have no end i.e.it will persist endlessly.  Then alas!  the Jiva can never get release from
ignorance!

It is not so. Though ignorance has no beginning, it has an end.  There are examples of entities
that have no beginning but have an end and there are others with a beginning but no end.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.

13323
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:51:12 PM »
How does this ignorance come about?   And what causes it?

This ignorance is without beginning. It is clearly mentioned in the Vedas, and other scriptures.
You cannot know the cause of it.  That is, you have to accept its existence on the authority of
the scriptures. 

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.   

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General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:48:22 PM »
But is it not a fact that there are learned scholars who consider the Atman to be distinct from their
bodies and the body itself an unconscious entity like a wall or a pot? Then how do you say that
no one knows the Atman?

Even such learned men  do not know the metaphysically real Atman. What they denote as the
Atman  is the jivatman who is only a reflection of the metaphysically real Atman and who is relevant
only in the practical world.  It is only this Jivatman that considers himself finite and as the doer
and enjoyer of actions and for this reason transmigrates in this cycle of births and deaths. 
But the metaphysically true Atman  is without any limitation of Upadhis, and is not an actor or an
enjoyer, is changeless and is of the nature of pure Sat, Chit, and Ananda.  None of these scholars
you have in mind know this metaphysically real Atman.

contd.,


Arunachala Siva. 

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General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:40:30 PM »
Why does this discrimination overpower us?

Ignorance has, from time without beginning, hidden the Atman, whose nature is not pure
Consciousness. Only the realization of the Atman can remove this covering caused by this
covering power by ignorance.  Indiscrimination, is caused by this covering power of ignorance.
It is this ignorance that makes one say, 'I do not know 'myself'.  You may object: Who, except
a deluded person, would say this, that he does not know 'himself'? But the truth is that everybody
in this world, is deluded in this way.  It is by this false delusion, that people of the world speak
of themselves as, 'I am a Brahmana' 'I am a Kshatriya', 'I am a Vaisya', 'I am a Sudra', 'I am a
Brahmacharin', ' I am a householder', etc., having in their mind only their body-mind complex.
None of these know that the Atman is distinct from the body.  It is for this reason, that we say
that everyone in this world is under delusion.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

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General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:30:24 PM »
Answer continues....


If we think deeply and systematically about this question, we can find a solution in the following fact;
In this world combinations of various individuals into single units are treated together and these
combinations are known by single terms as in the case of army, marriage party, festival party,
assembly, etc.,  In the same way, in this world of Maya, which cannot be categorized as real or
unreal, we find combination of organs to form bodies.  We give these bodies varying names such
as Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaisya, Sudra, men, woman, eunuch, Keralite, Tamizhian, Andhra,
Dikshita, Saiva, Vaishnava, servant, master, king, minister, Guru, Sishya, etc., Though this device
may serve worldly purposes, it cannot be applied to the Atman, who is without any name, and form
in the past, present or future. The incapacity to analyze and think in this way is what is called lack of
discrimination. It is because of this lack of discrimination that people attribute to the Atman,  the 'I' -sense
regarding Varna, Ashrama etc.,

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.     
 

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:44:09 AM »
21.  Para Lakshanam:


Verse 1:


அதீதத்து ளாகி அகன்றவன் நந்தி
அதீதத்து ளாகி அறிவிலன் ஆன்மா
மதிபெற் றிருள் விட்ட மன்னுயிர் ஒன்றாம்
பதியிற் பதியும் பரவுயிர் தானே. (1)


Para Jiva that Had Become Tat-Para, Jiva, Now Merges in Siva Himself

He, Nandi, is within Atita
And Beyond it;
He, Jiva that had Para-Jiva become
Is within Atita
Yet Jnana (Full) without;
The Para Jiva attaining Jnana
And rid of dark Ignorance
Will with God (Pati) One be.

Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:40:45 AM »
20.  Mup Param:  The three ways:

Verse 1:



தோன்றிஎன் னுள்ளே சுழன்றெழு கின்றதோர்
மூன்று படிமண் டலத்து முதல்வனை
ஏன்றெய்தி இன்புற் றிருந்த இளங்கொடி
நான்று நலஞ்செய் நலஞ்செயு மாறே.  (1)


Parallel Yoga Way

In the encircling Spheres Three within me,
The Primal Lord appears;
I reached Him and was in bliss immersed;
I clung to the tender vine of Kundalini Sakti
That she, Her Grace may shower.

Arunachala Siva.


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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:37:46 AM »
19.  Mup Padam -  The three States:

Verse 1:


தோன்றிய தொம்பதம் தற்பதம் சூழ்தர
ஏன்ற அசிபதம் இம்மூன்றோ டெய்தினோன்
ஆன்ற பராபரம் ஆகும் பிறப்பற
ஏன்றன மாறச் சிவாமாய் இருக்குமே. (1)



The Three States Lead to Siva-Becoming

Tvam-Padam, Tat-Padam and Asi-Padam
He who has these three states of liberation attained,
Has verily become Para-Para Himself;
No more birth shall be for him;
And when he departs
He shall indeed Siva be.

Arunachala Siva.


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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:34:54 AM »
18.  Muk KuRRam:  Three Blemishes:

Verse 1:


மூன்றுள குற்றம் முழுதும் நலிவன
மான்றிருள் தூங்கி மயங்கிக் கிடந்தன
மூன்றினை நீங்கினர் நீக்கினர் நீங்காதார்
மூன்றினுட் பட்டு முடிகின்ற வாறே.  (1)


The Truly Liberated

Three the blemishes
That harass Jiva alike,
And in darkness enveloped
He lies in stupor;
They who are from them liberated
Are the truly liberated;
Others, entangled in them,
Surely perish.

Arunachala Siva.


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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:32:23 AM »
17.   How to know the Feet and the Head:

Verse 1:


காலும் தலையும் அறியார் கலதிகள்
கால்அந்தச் சத்தி அருள்என்பர் காரணம்
பால்ஒன்று ஞானமே பண்பார் தலைஉயிர்
கால்அந்த ஞானத்தைக் காட்டவீ டாகுமே. (1)


Feet are Grace; Head is Jnana

Neither head nor foot they know
Miscreants they are;
The Feet the Holy say
Are the Grace of Sakti;
The Head the Holy say
Is Jnana
That with First Cause unites;
When to Jiva the Feet of Grace
Shows the Head of Jnana
Then shall Liberation be.


Arunachala Siva.


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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:29:21 AM »
16.  There is no difference between Pati, Pasu and Pasam:

Verse 1:


அறிவறி வென்ற அறிவும் அனாதி
அறிவுக் கறிவாம் பதியும் அனாதி
அறிவினைக் கட்டிய பாசம் அனாதி
அறிவு பதியின் பிறப்பறுந் தானே.  (1)



Pati, Pasu, and Pasam?All Three Eternal

Beginning-less is Jiva that of Knowledge speak
Beginning-less is Lord, the source of all Knowledge,
Beginning-less is Pasam, that binds knowledge
When God-Knowledge dawns,
No more will birth be.

Arunachala Siva.



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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:24:51 AM »
15. ARivu Udhayam -  The dawn of wisdom:

Verse 1:


தன்னை அறியத் தனக்கொரு கேடில்லை
தன்னை அறியாமல் தானே கெடுகின்றான்
தன்னை அறியும் அறிவை அறிந்தபின்
தன்னையே அற்சிக்கத் தானிருந் தானே. (1)


Importance of Self-Knowledge

With knowledge of Self
No harm there be;
Without knowledge of Self
Himself His (Jiva) harm be;
When knowledge
That knows the Self dawns,
Yourself Siva become,
Worshipped high.


Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:21:39 AM »
13. Nirmala Avastha:


Verse 1:


ஊமைக் கிணற்றகத் துள்ளே உறைவதோர்
ஆமையின் உள்ளே அழுவைகள் ஐந்துள
வாய்மையி னுள்ளே வழுவா தொடுங்குமேல்
ஆமைமென் மேலும்ஓர் ஆயிரத் தாண்டே. (1)



Merge in Silence, Senses Withdrawn

Deep in the Well of Silence (Mouna)
Is a turtle?Jiva?(with Malas Five withdrawn)
If from Truth you deviate not,
And in (It) merge entire,
You shall indeed live
A thousand years beyond the turtle.


Arunachala Siva.


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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:16:36 AM »
12. Kevala, Sakala, and Suddha Avastha:


Verse 1:


கேவலந் தன்னில் கலவு சகலத்தின்
மேவும் செலவு விடாவிருள் நீக்கத்துப்
பாவும் தனைக்காண்டல் மூன்றும் படர்வற்ற
தீதறு சாக்கிரா தீதத்தில் சுத்தமே. (1)



Beyond Kevala, Sakala and Self-Realization States is Suddha Avasta

The Jiva in its primal condition
Is in the Kevala State;
When it mixes with Tattvas
It departs and enters the Sakala State;
Released from there,
It realizes the Self,
When it transcends all the states three,
It enters the Jagratatita State;
There it is Pure (Suddha).


Arunachala Siva.

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