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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:32:42 AM »
27. The State of Realized Souls:


Verse 1:


மலமில்லைமாசில்லை மானாபி மானம்
குலமில்லை கொள்ளும் குணங்களு மில்லை
நலமில்லை நந்தியை ஞானத்தி னாலே
பலம்மன்னி அன்பில் பதித்துவைப் பார்க்கே. (1)

The Realized Souls Have No Possessions

Mala none; impurity none; pride and prejudice none;
Family none, excellence none; affluence none;
For them who in wisdom
Plant themselves in Nandi
?Firm in His love.

Arunachala Siva.


13112
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:30:04 AM »
26. State of oneness with God:


Verse 1:


தான்வரை வற்றபின் ஆரை வரைவது
தான்அவன் ஆனபின் ஆரை நினைவது
காமனை வென்றகண் ஆரை உகப்பது
தூமொழி வாசகம் சொல்லுமின் நீரே. (1)


State of Oneness in God

When you have, yourself, limitless become,
Who, in limit, are you to see?
When you have, yourself, He become,
Who are you to think of?
The Eyes that vanquished the God of Love,
Whom are they in longing to look for?
?Tell me, yourself, the real Truth?

Arunachala Siva.

13113
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:27:25 AM »
25.  Mouna Samadhi:


Verse 1:


ஏழு வளைகடல் எட்டுக் குலவரை
ஆழும் விசும்பினில் அங்கி மழை வளி
தாழும் இருநிலத் தன்மை யதுகண்டு
வாழ நினைக்கில் அஃ(து) ஆலயம் ஆமே. (1)


Reach the Holy Temple of Sahasrara

Seven the circling Seas, eight the Mountain ranges
In the depths of Space is Fire, Rain and Wind
And the Land expansive;
Visioning it, if you dwell in it
That verily a Holy Temple is.

Arunachala Siva.



13114
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:24:29 AM »
24. Soonya Sambhashanai:


Verse 1:



காயம் பலகை கவறைந்து கண்மூன்று
ஆயம் பொருவ(து)ஓர் ஐம்பத்தோ ரக்கரம்
ஏய பெருமான் இருந்து பொருகின்ற
மாயக் கவற்றின் மறைப்பறி யேனே. (1)



Mystery of Lord`s Play

Body the gambling board;
Five the dice;
Three the channels
Fifty-one the squares
Thus the Jivas play the game;
He who thus leads them to it,
The mystery of His play I know not.


Arunachala Siva.

13115
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:21:26 AM »
23.  Mukti Bhedam Karma Nirvanam:

Verse  1:



ஓதிய முத்தி அடைவே உயிர்ப்பர
பேதமி லாச் சிவம் எய்தும் துரியம்அ
நாதி சொரூபம் சொரூபத்த தாகவே
ஏத மிலாநிரு வாணம் பிறந்தததே. (1)



Progression of Soul`s Journey to Five Muktis

Jiva reaches to (Jiva) Mukti first;
Then passes on to Param State;
And thence to Siva State;
In the Turiya practiced therein,
Is the Primal Self-illumined Manifestation,
And having attained Svarupa,
Is reached the State of Nirvana,
(In Ariya Turiyatita State.)

Arunachala Siva.

13116
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:18:52 AM »
22.  Siva Darsanam:


Verse 1:


ஓதின் மயிர்க்கால் தொறும்அமு தூறிய
பேதம் அபேதம் பிறழாத ஆனந்தம்
ஆதி சொரூபங்கள் மூன்றகன் றப்பாலை
வேதம தோதும் சொரூபிதன் மேன்மையே. (1)



Supreme Svarupa Bliss

Beyond Difference and Non-Difference
Is that inviolate Bliss;
In every hair root its ambrosial sweetness floods;
Beyond the initial Manifestness Three it is;
There indeed is the greatness vast of that Supreme Manifestness
That Vedas praise so high.

Arunachala Siva.

13117
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 22, 2015, 06:53:16 AM »



I wrote about how to do without thinking etc., in some other context.  I also said it is like the
Dance of the Unmoving, Achala Rachitam from Viswanatha Swami's commentary.

Devaraja Mudaliar writes in his entry of 25th Jan 1946, in his Day by Day.

Today Lokammal sang the songs of Manikkavachagar's Tiru Kazhu Kundra Padigam.  In verse 4
of that Padigam, it is said, " being ashamed without being ashamed" "NaNoNathathor
NaNameyidi...."  Bhagavan Ramana said that it might be one of those poetic expressions, like
Nadaamal Naadi and Ninaiyamal Ninainthu.... "Seeking without seeking and thinking without
thinking..." How to seek without seeking, how to think without thinking?  These are all the
ways of saying [by poets].  There is no other way of saying."

I checked up with my copy of Tiruvachakam by K. Subramania Pillai.  There was no light at all.
Muruganar thereupon said that Manikkavachagar writes such allusive poems.  In
Neethal Vinnappam written in Uttara Kosa Mangai, he talks about sixty four yakshas getting
the eight-fold gunas from Siva.  This story of Uttarakosa Mangai does not seem to have
been published. It appears that many things in Saint Manikkavachagar's life and many saying or
songs would be better elucidated if one could get a book of Tiru ViLaiyadal Puranam which can
explain all these.

Bhagavan got the book of Tiru ViLaiyadal Puranam, but the story was not there.

(Source: As indicated above)

Arunachala Siva.

13118
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 22, 2015, 06:48:27 AM »



Fear is due to the mind.  For the one who has controlled the mind, there is no fear.  If one like
Bhagavan Ramana could kill the mind, he becomes the boldest human being in the world.  We are
the Third Eye of Siva, from where Skanda came out to kill the demons with whom even Brahma,
Vishnu and Indra feared.  June 20th is the 40th anniversary of man's landing on the moon.  On that
day Neil Armstrong and Col. Collins landed on the moon. Edward Aldrin was in the mother-craft,
still circling the moon for his friends to join him after the mission.  Normal Mailer has written a
non-fiction called Fire on the Moon, about the psychology of astronauts.  He interviewed them in detail
before the mission.  The one question that was the most important was:  How will you manage the worst situations?
The worst situation could me many.  The failure of the craft, loss of oxygen, sudden death due
to some unknown problems, re-entry problem, [in which Kalpana Chawla and others died]. All
problems revolve around death.  Death is the most primordial fear.  Neil Armstrong, [who later
became a Jesuit Father!]  said:  Problem of liquidation?  Why we should fear that?  We are always
with God.  It is God who runs the show!"

Saint Tiruvukkarasar sang:  What is there to fear about? What things will erupt which can give fear
to us?  We have got the Panchaksharam. 

Panchaksharam is called Anju-Ezhutthu in Tamil.  Five letters.  Anju also means 'to fear'. 
The saint-poet has made pun on this word!

Arunachala Siva.

13119
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 20, 2015, 01:41:04 PM »
The Best of Friends:

Bhagavan and Chadwick:

continues...

This unusual couple first met on 1st November 1935. Coming from a devout Christian background,
Chadwick cannot have been unaware of the symbolism when he fixed the date of his arrival in
Tiruvannamalai: for he traveled towards the Asramam on the night of Halloween (Holy Evening),
and it was on the morning of All Saints' Day that he first beheld Bhagavan.  In the liturgical calendar
Chadwick knew so well, many of the famous saints have a special day for their worship.  But on
1st November, we remember all those saints who do not have a particular day of their own, thus
ensuring that all the saints are duly honored.  It could therefore be described as the day when
we celebrate the saints in general, or the notion of sainthood as an ideal.  And it was in the hope
of joining this great communion that Chadwick traveled to Tiruvannamalai in 1935.


contd.,

Arunachala Siva.
       

13120
Origin and Nature of the Universe:

Science traces the evolution of the universe to about 13.7 billion years in the past.  The Universe was
then supposed to be extremely small, and so it nominally taken to be the time of its 'birth.' Since
small, and so it is nominally taken to be the time of its 'birth'.  Since the entire mass and energy of the
universe were concentrated in a very small space, the universe was unimaginably dense and hot at the
time -- so hot that no ordinary matter could have been present in it.  For some inexplicable reason, the
universe, then underwent a catastrophic explosion, called the 'big bang' and its matter started flying
out at enormous speeds, in all directions.

As the universe expanded, its density and temperature progressively decreased. It took about 380,000
years for ordinary matter, as atoms to evolve in it.  Initially the matter was in the form of clouds of gas,
which slowly condensed into individual galaxies. A galaxy is a gigantic cluster of stars and their planets,
along with any interstellar dust, debris etc., The expansion is expected to go on indefinitely.

Viewed from any galaxy, all the other galaxies would be seen receding away from it in all directions
at ever increasing speeds

contd.,

Arunachala Siva. .             

13121
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:57:53 PM »
That which is without a beginning  must be without an end.  So if ignorance is without a beginning,
it will surely have no end i.e.it will persist endlessly.  Then alas!  the Jiva can never get release from
ignorance!

It is not so. Though ignorance has no beginning, it has an end.  There are examples of entities
that have no beginning but have an end and there are others with a beginning but no end.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.

13122
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:51:12 PM »
How does this ignorance come about?   And what causes it?

This ignorance is without beginning. It is clearly mentioned in the Vedas, and other scriptures.
You cannot know the cause of it.  That is, you have to accept its existence on the authority of
the scriptures. 

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.   

13123
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:48:22 PM »
But is it not a fact that there are learned scholars who consider the Atman to be distinct from their
bodies and the body itself an unconscious entity like a wall or a pot? Then how do you say that
no one knows the Atman?

Even such learned men  do not know the metaphysically real Atman. What they denote as the
Atman  is the jivatman who is only a reflection of the metaphysically real Atman and who is relevant
only in the practical world.  It is only this Jivatman that considers himself finite and as the doer
and enjoyer of actions and for this reason transmigrates in this cycle of births and deaths. 
But the metaphysically true Atman  is without any limitation of Upadhis, and is not an actor or an
enjoyer, is changeless and is of the nature of pure Sat, Chit, and Ananda.  None of these scholars
you have in mind know this metaphysically real Atman.

contd.,


Arunachala Siva. 

13124
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:40:30 PM »
Why does this discrimination overpower us?

Ignorance has, from time without beginning, hidden the Atman, whose nature is not pure
Consciousness. Only the realization of the Atman can remove this covering caused by this
covering power by ignorance.  Indiscrimination, is caused by this covering power of ignorance.
It is this ignorance that makes one say, 'I do not know 'myself'.  You may object: Who, except
a deluded person, would say this, that he does not know 'himself'? But the truth is that everybody
in this world, is deluded in this way.  It is by this false delusion, that people of the world speak
of themselves as, 'I am a Brahmana' 'I am a Kshatriya', 'I am a Vaisya', 'I am a Sudra', 'I am a
Brahmacharin', ' I am a householder', etc., having in their mind only their body-mind complex.
None of these know that the Atman is distinct from the body.  It is for this reason, that we say
that everyone in this world is under delusion.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

13125
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:30:24 PM »
Answer continues....


If we think deeply and systematically about this question, we can find a solution in the following fact;
In this world combinations of various individuals into single units are treated together and these
combinations are known by single terms as in the case of army, marriage party, festival party,
assembly, etc.,  In the same way, in this world of Maya, which cannot be categorized as real or
unreal, we find combination of organs to form bodies.  We give these bodies varying names such
as Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaisya, Sudra, men, woman, eunuch, Keralite, Tamizhian, Andhra,
Dikshita, Saiva, Vaishnava, servant, master, king, minister, Guru, Sishya, etc., Though this device
may serve worldly purposes, it cannot be applied to the Atman, who is without any name, and form
in the past, present or future. The incapacity to analyze and think in this way is what is called lack of
discrimination. It is because of this lack of discrimination that people attribute to the Atman,  the 'I' -sense
regarding Varna, Ashrama etc.,

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.     
 

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