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12946
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 07, 2015, 10:50:08 AM »
What  is the nature of the mutual superimposition between the Atman and the gross physical body?

All of us feel:  'I am a celestial, I am  a man, I am a woman, I am born, I live, I am growing, I am
weak, I am changing, I am old, I shall die, I am a child, a youth, an old man.   I belong to this
caste, community, or country.  I am a Brahmachari , Grihastha, or Sannyasin.  I am Rama or
Krishna.  I take food -- all these feelings appertain to the gross body and they are superimposed on
the Atman.  The Atman's characteristics - existence, self consciousness, and bliss are superimposed
on the physical body.  This is the nature of the mutual superimposition between the gross body and the
Atman.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.       

12947
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 07, 2015, 10:42:40 AM »
Then what kind of relation exists between the Atman and the Kosas, without which we cannot understand
how we feel them as one?


The relation between the Atman and the Kosas is what is called Adhyasa or superimposition, falsely
imposing some relation between two percepts.  As examples of this kind of superimposed relation
can be given that which exists between a snake and a rope on which the former is perceived,
the nacre and silver with which it is wrongly identified, between the stump of a tree and a man
which are mistakenly identified.  The relation between the Atman and the Kosas, is of this kind.
It is Adhyasa.  If it is asked whether it is mutual superimposition i.e. superimposition between two
existing things, the reply is that it is a mutual superimposition: for we feel no separate identities
of the 'I'  sense and the Atman.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.           

12948
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 07, 2015, 09:44:15 AM »
In regard to the Atman, and the Kosas, which are ordinarily described as one, there must be some
relation between them and the Atman.  But it is also said that the Atman is not related to anything.
The Atman.  But it is also said that the Atman is not related to anything.  The Atman is for this reason
described as unattached and unstained. How are both these possible at the same time?

Listen.  Relation is of many kinds. In the science of logic there are two kinds of relations described,
known as Samavaya and Samyoga.  The Samavaya relation is integral,i.e. a relation that cannot
be separated - as for example, that between an organ and organism, between attributes and the
substance in which they inhere, between movements and that which causes them (Kriya and Kriyavat)
between species and individuals forming it and between eternal substances and their qualifications.
The relation between the Atman and the five sheaths does not come under any of these.   So there
is no Samavya relation between them.   Then there is a temporary relation, as for example, a drum
and the stick with which it is sounded.  For this, the Atman must be dravya, something having
dimensions.  The Atman  is not a dravya, and so there cannot be this kind of relation also in regard
to the Atman.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.     
 

12949
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:59:24 AM »
80.


பூச லயில்தென்ன னார்க்கன
    லாகப் பொறாமையினால்
வாச மலர்க்குழல் பாண்டிமா
    தேவியாம் மானிகண்டீர்
தேசம் விளங்கத் தமிழா
    கரர்க்கறி வித்தவரால்
நாசம் விளைத்தா ளருகந்
    தருக்குத்தென் னாட்டகத்தே. (80)



Mangaiyarkkarasiyaar*:

Lance ? weaponry rich Pandya was
Down with febrile fits. Samanas tried
To cure him; failed. Fragrant locked
Queen informed this to Tamizh ? Jnana ?
Sambandhar who to Madurai went, argued
The Samanas out. Retorted they, but the queen won, turned the land Saivaite.

(*The queen of Pandian who was cured by Jnana Sambandhar.)

Arunachala Siva.

12950
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:56:43 AM »
79.


பதுமநற் போதன்ன பாதத்
    தரற்கொரு கோயிலையான்
கதுமெனச் செய்குவ தென்றுகொலா
    லாமென்று கண்துயிலா
ததுமனத் தேயெல்லி தோறும்
    நினைந்தருள் பெற்றதென்பர்
புதுமணத் தென்றல் உலாநின்ற
    வூர்தனிற் பூசலையே.  (79)


Poosalaar Nayanar:


Poosalaar of Tirunindravoor, in thought
Raised a temple for the lotus ? feet ? lord
With the weal within, not any from without,
Sagging never. On the site of Manam
Day & night blue ? printed and built
The precincts to their zenithal finish.


Arunachala Siva.

12951
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:54:27 AM »
78.


செழுநீர் வயல்முது குன்றினில்
    செந்தமிழ் பாடிவெய்ய
மழுநீள் தடக்கைய னீந்தபொன்
    னாங்குக்கொள் ளாதுவந்தப்
பொழில்நீ டருதிரு வாரூரில்
    வாசியும் பொன்னுங்கொண்டோன்
கெழுநீள் புகழ்த்திரு வாரூர
    னென்றுநாம் கேட்பதுவே. (78)


Sundaramoorthy Naayanaar:


May we listen to the famed Sundarar
That sang the lord of Tiru Mutukundrur
Of fertile fields water?d rich and got
From the All ? Praise ? worthy lord twelve
Thousand auric bezants he offered
To the manimuttaaru and made to Kamalalayam of Tiru Aaroor.

Arunachala Siva.

12952
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:50:01 AM »
77.


வருக்க மடைத்துநன் னாவலூர்
    மன்னவன் வண்டமிழால்
பெருக்கு மதுரத் தொகையிற்
    பிறைசூடி பெய்கழற்கே
ஒருக்கு மனத்தொடப் பாலடிச்
    சார்ந்தவ ரென்றுலகில்
தெரிக்கு மவர்சிவன் பல்கணத்
    தோர்நஞ் செழுந்தவரே. (77)



Appaalum Aticharntaar*:

Sundarar sang in order, in fecund Tamizh
The servitors hailing Siva ? lord?s holy feet.
They, though not born in Aaroor,
If are poised in focused thought on
The holy auric Kazhaled feet of Lord
Are servitors indeed, be it known.


(*Those who have reached the feet of Siva, in other places.)

Arunachala Siva.

12953
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:46:51 AM »
76.


உலகு கலங்கினும் மூழி திரியினு முள்ளொருகால்
விலகுத லில்லா விதியது
பெற்றநல வித்தகர்காண்
அலகில் பெருங்குணத் தாரூ
ரமர்ந்த வரனடிக்கீழ்
இலகுவெண் ணீறுதம் மேனிக்
கணியு மிறைவர்களே. (76)

Muzhuneeru Poosia Munivar*:
Were the worlds to wobble, deluge to occur,
They with true Gnostic bent, with endless good,
Shall wear the holy ash at the feet of lord Tyagesa
Of Tiru Aaroor. They are the lords indeed
Firmly poised in holy ash, determined
In mind; the ash of charnel ? Dancer upon the crematoria.

(* Those bhaktas who apply Vibhuti on  their bodies.)

Arunachala Siva.

12954
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:42:24 AM »
75.


நெறிவார் சடையரைத் தீண்டிமுப்
    போதும்நீ டாகமத்தின்
அறிவால் வணங்கியர்ச் சிப்பவர்
    நம்மையு மாண்டமரர்க்
கிறையாய்முக் கண்ணுமெண் தோளும்
    தரித்தீறில் செல்வத்தொடும்
உறைவார் சிவபெரு மாற்குறை
    வாய வுலகினிலே(75)


Muppptum Tirumeni Teenduvaar:

Feeling every inch the mien of Siva Lord
With dense matted locks all three times
In the scatological scale, worshipping
Aagamically, shall abide ever long reigning
Us and Devas as presiders, in proximity
To the Trine- eyed, eight shouldered, unabatedly opulent Sivam.

(*Those who touch and pray to Siva during three times in the day, morning, noon and evening.)

Arunachala Siva.
 

12955
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:38:49 AM »
74.


செல்வம் திகழ்திரு வாரூர்
    மதில்வட்டத் துட்பிறந்தார்
செல்வன் திருக்கணத் துள்ளவ
    ரேயத னால்திகழச்
செல்வம் பெருகுதென் னாரூர்ப்
    பிறந்தவர் சேவடியே
செல்வ நெறியுறு வார்க்கணித்
    தாய செழுநெறியே. (74)


Tiru Aaroor - - Pirantaarkal*:

Born in well fortified opulent Aaroor
Circle, belong to the holy set of Siva?s
By this virtue born, their weal manifold
Increase. The righteous path of the holy
Opulent ones are but the ruddy feet of
They that are born in South Tiru Aaroor.


(*Those who are born in Tiruvarur.)


Arunachala Siva.

12956
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:34:46 AM »
73.


உத்தமத் தானத் தறம்பொரு
    ளின்ப மொடியெறிந்து
வித்தகத் தானத் தொருவழிக்
    கொண்டு விளங்கச்சென்னி
மத்தம்வைத் தான்திருப் பாத
    கமல மலரிணைக்கீழ்ச்
சித்தம்வைத் தாரென்பர் வீடுபே
    றெய்திய செல்வர்களே. (73)


Sittattai Sivan Paale Vaittaar*:
Renouncing all the best of virtue, weal and joy
Seeking the more sublime Release - as - weal,
Who ever sing the lord that wears
Oomatta flower, with Manam poised
At His lotus feet are the attainers
Of the grant of Release ? relish.

(*Those who ever kept their mind/heart on Siva.)

Arunachala Siva.

12957
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:32:07 AM »
72;

தொகுத்த வடமொழி தென்மொழி
    யாதொன்று தோன்றியதே
மிகுத்த வியலிசை வல்ல
    வகையில்விண் தோயுநெற்றி
வகுத்த மதில்தில்லை யம்பலத்
    தான்மலர்ப் பாதங்கள்மேல்
உகுத்த மனத்தொடும் பாடவல்
    லோரென்ப ருத்தமரே. (72)

Paramanaiye Paatuvaar:*
All that can sing the supremo alone
Of Thillai spatium with tall forts,
That sing the Dancer of Dancers
With valiance in Tamizh or Sanskrit
A northern tongue with poetic prosody
And music sky ? high are sublime servitors.

(* All those who sang about Siva.)

Arunachala Siva.

12958
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:28:20 AM »
71.



அரசினை யாரூ ரமரர்
    பிரானை அடிபணிந்திட்
டுரைசெய்த வாய்தடு மாறி
    யுரோம புளகம்வந்து
கரசர ணாதி யவயவங்
    கம்பித்துக் கண்ணருவி
சொரிதரு மங்கத்தி னோர்பத்த
    ரென்று தொகுத்தவரே. (71)



Bhaktaraai Panivargal:*

Non pareil servitors are they
That bow unto Aaroor Lord
And Holy Navukkarasu, with
Horripillation all over, moist eyes
And worship with folded
Hands in pious trepidation.

(*This is about all Siva Bhaktas)


Arunachala Siva.

12959
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 07, 2015, 06:57:45 AM »


The whole world is either Maya or Divine.  It is Maya till you arrive and it is all Divine, once you have
arrived. Each place is holy but some are holier than the rest.  Take for example, God appears before
you and say that you have to sacrifice one component of the body.  Now I shall take both your eyes?
Would you agree?  You will say instead, "You told me to sacrifice only one component.  I shall
sacrifice my whole hair or whole of my teeth." At best, you will agree to sacrifice your two legs but
definitely not the eyes.  The whole body is important, but the eyes are the more important of them.

There is a story in the Bible, which is told in a different context.  A shepherd was herding 100 sheep,
one was lost in the jungle.  He was more worried about the lost sheep [Bible says it is lost lamb, any way], than the remaining 99 sheep.  Now tell me, is the lost sheep more important than the remaining 99 or
not?

For me Tiruvannamalai is the holiest.  I do not in fact, like to visit any other place.  For some other
it could be Sri Rangam.  For some more, it could be Velankanni, or Tirupati.  For my son, he says he
would like visit only Angkor Vat, in Cambodia again and again.  Why one is holier or more important
for some one and not for some one else?

Arunachala Siva.

12960
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 07, 2015, 06:52:37 AM »


The Hill within me is not leaving me today without writing to you.  Now take holy names.
There are innumerable names for Siva and Vishnu and Devi in Hindu pantheon.  Each
god has got 1008 great names for him or her.  What is the holiest?  It depends on your faith.
For Saivites and Advaitis they prefer Om Nama Sivaya, which is Sthula Panchakshara,
which has to be told to you by a guru.  Vaishnavites have got Om Namo Narayanaya.  You can choose anything that appeals to you.  A simple name does not need any initiation. Bhagavan Ramana has said: 
Even if you say your own name or I,I, I, it will take you to quelling of the mind.  He said Siva Siva
to Annamalai Swami and Muruganar and to a Harijan who came to Him and asked Him to say something
to do!  He told His devotees not to change to any other name from what is already appealing to one or
initiated by a guru.  When someone said 'Can I shift from Rama, Rama to Ramana Ramana,' He asked:
"Why? Are Rama and Ramana different?"

Arunachala Siva.     

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