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General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 22, 2015, 05:56:19 PM »
How will this misery be effaced?

When the body ceases to be, misery will be effaced; when the Karmas are exhausted, the body
will be effaced.  Karma ceases to exist, when the passion, anger, and the like are overcome; when
the I-sense is annihilated, there will be no more passion and anger.  When in-discrimination ceases,
the I-sense also will cease; when ignorance is overcome, in-discrimination also will disappear. The
only way to efface ignorance is the firm establishment in the conviction, regarding the non dual Brahman,
which means the conviction, aham brahmasmi, I am Brahman or Tat tvam asi,  Brahman is myself.
Through the hearing and cogitation of these Mahavakyas, of the Upanishads, knowledge dawns
and ignorance disappears, just as darkness disappears spontaneously with the dawning of the Sun.
There is no other way to overcome ignorance.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.               

12767
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 22, 2015, 04:51:49 PM »
The answer continues....

So ignorance cannot be non different, i.e.it will have to be accepted as identical with Atman.
As it would be contradictory to say that ignorance is both identified and different from the Atman,
such a concept also cannot be adopted.  For all these reasons, ignorance cannot be described
in any way. It is Anirvachaniya - indescribable by any word or concept.

From this beginning-less ignorance have come successively, indiscrimination, I-sense, and passions;
from these, action; from action, the body; and from the body, misery of the cycles of birth and deaths
attributed to the Atman springs from the above described chain and effects.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.           

12768
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 22, 2015, 04:42:55 PM »
How and why is it so?

It is not real because it is destroyed by the knowledge of Truth.  It is at the same time not untrue
like objects by expressions like a hare's horn, a man's horn, sky flower, etc., Still all men feel
that they are not ignorant. As these two apprehensions, non knowledge and knowledge, are
contradictory, you cannot call it a combination of both these.

The gross sky is subtle (invisible); subtler still is the sky not five folded (Apanchikara Akasa); yet
subtler are the three Gunas of Prakriti; still more subtle is ignorance.  As it is the cause of the
most subtle entity (i.e three Gunas), ignorance cannot be conceived as having parts. But you
cannot say it is part-less, as it evolves into this gross universe with innumerable forms of objects.
As part-less-ness, subtlety and gross objectivity are contradictory of imperceivable subtlety and
gross objectivity.

If you say that ignorance is different from the Atman, such a statement would contradict the Sruti,
which sets forth non duality.  As there can be no existence-consciousness apart from the Atman,
who covers all existence, ignorance cannot be different from the Atman. But if it is stated that
ignorance is not different but one with Atman, it will contradict Srutis, para asya saktir vividhaiva
sruyate, Its supreme power is varied. If ignorance is considered as not different from Brahman,
i.e.characteristics of Brahman, and sentiency of Maya.  You will have to say that terms like
Avidya denote the Atman and Atman which is generally accepted as Existence Knowledge Bliss,
will become the seat of untruth, inertness and misery.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.                       

12769
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 22, 2015, 04:26:01 PM »
What is the inherent nature (Swarupa Lakshana) of the ignorance?

This cannot be determined exactly.  For it is not real nor unreal, nor a combination of reality
and unreality.  It is not with parts, nor without parts, nor a combination of part and part-less-ness.
It is not different, nor non different, nor a combination of differences and non difference.  It is
indeterminate (Anirvachaniya), something that cannot be defined in any way.

Contd.,

Arunachala Siva.   
   

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General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 22, 2015, 03:58:21 PM »
How can this be so?  It seems illogical>

No. There are examples to prove this. Antecedent non existence (Prag-abhava) of an entity,
though beginning-less, can end when that entity comes into existence. For example, a pot
did not exist from beginning-less time but its non existence ends when the pot comes into existence.
When it is destroyed as an entity it is destroyed for ever and is never seen.  This is called  eternal
non existence after destruction, (Pradhvamsaaabhavaa)  as distinguished from antecedent non existence.
Of these entities, the first can have no beginning, but ends in eternal non existence. Besides, there are
many diseases whose real cause is not known, but are cured by proper treatment.  In the same way,
even if we do not know the root cause of ignorance, experience proves that it can be effaced by the
illumination that is gained through the teachings of Vedanta.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.             


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The farther a galaxy is from us, the faster it moves away from us.  Some of the galaxies farthest
from us, have already exceeded the speed  of light.  They are said to have crossed the 'particle horizon'
in that no signal from them can never reach us, and so we can never know anything whatever of
their present or future existence.  They may be said to belong to a 'world' of their own, practically
non existent to us.  Logically, it would seem possible, that the universe consists of many such disconnected
'worlds'. 

Matter that we normally encounter emits radiation, a small part of which is in the form of visible light.
The rest can be detected by instruments.  Such matter is called 'luminous' matter.  This matter by itself
is unable to account for the levels of gravitation and certain other effects observed in the universe.  Hence
another kind of matter is hypothesized to exist to account for these discrepancies.  We have no direct
knowledge of it, as we do not find any measurable radiation from it.  It is therefore called 'dark matter'.

Gravitational forces exerted by matter, luminous and dark, are normally expected to effect a steady
slowing down of the expansion of the universe.  But actual observation shows the opposite.  It leads
us to suspect the presence of some other influence like an 'anti gravity'  that more than offsets the
effect of gravity.  This unseen influence is thought to be a property of space itself, and the energy
associated with it is called 'dark energy'. 

Einstein's theory considers matter as condensed energy.  If we take the energy so associated with the
entire luminous and dark matter contained in the universe, and add to it the dark energy, we get
the total energy present in the universe.  Estimates show that of the total energy, luminous matter
contributes about 5%, dark matter 27% and dark energy 68%.   Thus, of the total energy in the
universe, an overwhelming proportion, as much as 95%  comes from parts that are out of bounds
to our normal experience.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.
             

12772
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 22, 2015, 11:01:48 AM »
The Best of Friends:

continues...

Several months had by then passed since he had read Paul Brunton's A Search in Secret India,
whose descriptions of Bhagavan and His life were illustrated  by a couple of photographs.  So,
although mere words and pictures could never prepare you for the impact of seeing the Maharshi
in the flesh,  Chadwick did arrive that first morning with some idea of what to expect.  On His side,
Bhagavan would have known that an Englishman was due to appear that day, eager to make spiritual
progress under His guidance; for Chadwick had written in advance to make the arrangements, and his
letters may even have revealed some details of his religious background and development.  If so,
they would have made fascinating reading.

Chadwick had become spiritually inclined at the age of 16, whilst attending St. Edward's, a highly
religious public school in Oxford.  By the time he moved down to the road to The Queen's College
at the age of 19,  he had made up his mind to become a priest.  In this he would be following
not only in the footsteps of his father, but of both grandfathers as well. If he had been born in their
era, the devout young man would surely have gone ahead and been ordained, but the time Chadwick
started university in 1909. the intellectual and spiritual landscape had changed beyond all recognition.
As science raced into the future, so the figure of Jesus Christ receded into history. The more we learnt,
the less omniscient and godly Our Lord appeared.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva. 
                         

12773
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 09:09:20 AM »
29.  Sarva Vyapaham:


Verse 1:


ஏயும் சிவபோகம் ஈதன்றி ஓர் ஒளி
ஆயும் அறிவையும் மாயா உபாதியால்
ஏய பரிய புரியுந் தனைஎய்தும்
சாயும் தனது வியாபகந் தானே. (1)


When Jiva Unites in Siva

Siva Bhoga there will be;
Like it will be added a Light
That suffuses sentient knowledge;
The body by Mayaic experience harassed,
Will yours be, controlled full;
The Jiva`s pervasiveness
Will everywhere spread.


(the 9th part completed.)

Tiru Mantram of Tirumoolar concluded.)

Arunachala Siva.

12774
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:55:57 AM »
28. Sthothram:


Verse 1:


மாயனை நாடி மனநெடுந் தேர்ஏறிப்
போயின நாடறி யாதே புலம்புவர்
தேயமும் நாடும் திரிந்தெங்கள் நாதனைக்
காயமின் நாட்டிடைக் கண்டுகொண் டேனே. (1)



Lord is in Body Land

Mounting the Chariot of Mind
They seek the Divine Juggler;
Knowing not whither He went,
They bewail;
Wandering in lands kingdoms far and near,
I saw Him in this fleeting Body-Land.

Arunachala Siva.   

12775
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:35:37 AM »
27. Anainthor Thanmai: Possessions of realized Soul:

Verse 1:


மலமில்லைமாசில்லை மானாபி மானம்
குலமில்லை கொள்ளும் குணங்களு மில்லை
நலமில்லை நந்தியை ஞானத்தி னாலே
பலம்மன்னி அன்பில் பதித்துவைப் பார்க்கே. (1)


The Realized Souls Have No Possessions

Mala none; impurity none; pride and prejudice none;
Family none, excellence none; affluence none;
For them who in wisdom
Plant themselves in Nandi
?Firm in His love.

Arunachala Siva.

12776
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:32:42 AM »
27. The State of Realized Souls:


Verse 1:


மலமில்லைமாசில்லை மானாபி மானம்
குலமில்லை கொள்ளும் குணங்களு மில்லை
நலமில்லை நந்தியை ஞானத்தி னாலே
பலம்மன்னி அன்பில் பதித்துவைப் பார்க்கே. (1)

The Realized Souls Have No Possessions

Mala none; impurity none; pride and prejudice none;
Family none, excellence none; affluence none;
For them who in wisdom
Plant themselves in Nandi
?Firm in His love.

Arunachala Siva.


12777
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:30:04 AM »
26. State of oneness with God:


Verse 1:


தான்வரை வற்றபின் ஆரை வரைவது
தான்அவன் ஆனபின் ஆரை நினைவது
காமனை வென்றகண் ஆரை உகப்பது
தூமொழி வாசகம் சொல்லுமின் நீரே. (1)


State of Oneness in God

When you have, yourself, limitless become,
Who, in limit, are you to see?
When you have, yourself, He become,
Who are you to think of?
The Eyes that vanquished the God of Love,
Whom are they in longing to look for?
?Tell me, yourself, the real Truth?

Arunachala Siva.

12778
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:27:25 AM »
25.  Mouna Samadhi:


Verse 1:


ஏழு வளைகடல் எட்டுக் குலவரை
ஆழும் விசும்பினில் அங்கி மழை வளி
தாழும் இருநிலத் தன்மை யதுகண்டு
வாழ நினைக்கில் அஃ(து) ஆலயம் ஆமே. (1)


Reach the Holy Temple of Sahasrara

Seven the circling Seas, eight the Mountain ranges
In the depths of Space is Fire, Rain and Wind
And the Land expansive;
Visioning it, if you dwell in it
That verily a Holy Temple is.

Arunachala Siva.



12779
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:24:29 AM »
24. Soonya Sambhashanai:


Verse 1:



காயம் பலகை கவறைந்து கண்மூன்று
ஆயம் பொருவ(து)ஓர் ஐம்பத்தோ ரக்கரம்
ஏய பெருமான் இருந்து பொருகின்ற
மாயக் கவற்றின் மறைப்பறி யேனே. (1)



Mystery of Lord`s Play

Body the gambling board;
Five the dice;
Three the channels
Fifty-one the squares
Thus the Jivas play the game;
He who thus leads them to it,
The mystery of His play I know not.


Arunachala Siva.

12780
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 22, 2015, 08:21:26 AM »
23.  Mukti Bhedam Karma Nirvanam:

Verse  1:



ஓதிய முத்தி அடைவே உயிர்ப்பர
பேதமி லாச் சிவம் எய்தும் துரியம்அ
நாதி சொரூபம் சொரூபத்த தாகவே
ஏத மிலாநிரு வாணம் பிறந்தததே. (1)



Progression of Soul`s Journey to Five Muktis

Jiva reaches to (Jiva) Mukti first;
Then passes on to Param State;
And thence to Siva State;
In the Turiya practiced therein,
Is the Primal Self-illumined Manifestation,
And having attained Svarupa,
Is reached the State of Nirvana,
(In Ariya Turiyatita State.)

Arunachala Siva.

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