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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:16:36 AM »
12. Kevala, Sakala, and Suddha Avastha:

Verse 1:

கேவலந் தன்னில் கலவு சகலத்தின்
மேவும் செலவு விடாவிருள் நீக்கத்துப்
பாவும் தனைக்காண்டல் மூன்றும் படர்வற்ற
தீதறு சாக்கிரா தீதத்தில் சுத்தமே. (1)

Beyond Kevala, Sakala and Self-Realization States is Suddha Avasta

The Jiva in its primal condition
Is in the Kevala State;
When it mixes with Tattvas
It departs and enters the Sakala State;
Released from there,
It realizes the Self,
When it transcends all the states three,
It enters the Jagratatita State;
There it is Pure (Suddha).

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:11:34 AM »
11. 11th Place is also an avastha:

அஞ்சில் அமுதம் ஓர் ஏழின்கண் ஆனந்தம்
முஞ்சில் ஓங்காரம்ஓர் ஒன்பான் பதினொன்றில்
வஞ்சக மேநின்று வைத்திடில் காயம் ஆம்
சிஞ்சுகச் செவ்வாய்க் கிளிமொழி கேளே.  (11)

Attainments in Higher Experience (Para Avasta)

In the Fifth State (Jiva Turiyatita) is Ambrosia;
In the Seventh State (Para Turiya-Jagrat) is Bliss;
Above in Ninth State (Para Turiya-Sushupti) is Aum;
In the Eleventh State (Siva Turiya)
Illumined the Jiva standeth;
Abiding there He the (Divine) Body, attains;
Listen damsel that is red-mouthed as parrot!
?These the attainments of the Higher States (of Jiva) are.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 20, 2015, 07:14:38 AM »

Bhakti gives birth to Jnana.  Bhakti is Jnana Matha.  All paths should end up in self inquiry Atma
Vichara, to merge in Atma.

Bhagavan Himself has not read much before He came to Arunachala.  This is again for helping
others and not for His sake.  He has said in Who am I?:  When the Self is within Panchakosa,
what is the use of trying to find it outside?  All scriptures say that control of  mind is the final key.
If that be so, what is the use of reading books endlessly.  One has to unlearn everything at one
point of time."  He has not discouraged devotees from reading.  He has Himself rendered in Tamizh
 prose, Viveka Choodamani. He has rendered in Tamizh verse, Sri Dakshinamoorthy Stotram.
He has also written a few original works.  He only discouraged unlimited reading.  Once Kunju
Swami wanted to go to Kovilur Math for reading the sixteen books of Vedanta, in Tamil.
Bhagavan Ramana said:  "Why should you read all those books, when you have already understood
the self inquiry which is the final key." Kunju Swami cancelled his plan.

Arunachala Siva.   

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 20, 2015, 07:09:30 AM »

On 2nd Jan 1946, a visitor asked whether Jnanis retire generally from active life and do not
engage in any worldly activities.

Bhagavan replied:

They may or may not.  Some, even after realizing, carry on trade and business, or rule over
a kingdom, [like Janaka]. Some retire into forest and abstain from all acts except those
absolutely necessay to keep life in the body. So, we cannot say all Jnanis give up activity and
retire from life.

Visitor further asked: I want to know if Bhagavan can give concrete examples , like the butcher Dharmavyadha  mentioned in our books, of Jnanis now living and doing their ordinary daily
work in life.

Bhagavan did not answer. {Readers can guess the purpose
of this question from the visitor}

Visitor:  Is renunciation necessary for Self Realization?

Bhagavan:  Renunciation and realization are the same. They are different aspects of the same state.
Giving up the non-self is renunciation.  Inhering in the Self is Jnana or Self Realization.  One is the
negative and the other the positive aspect of the same single truth.  Bhakti, Jnana, Yoga -- are
names for Self Realization or mukti which is our real nature.

(Source: Day by Day, Devaraja Mudaliar)

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 19, 2015, 02:04:40 PM »
The Best of Friends:

Bhagavan and Chadwick:

by Louis Bose.


Whatever else Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi and Major Alan Wentworth Chadwick may have been,
they were friends, and their friendship stood British India on its head. Far from taking a superior
position, Alan  obeyed Bhagavan's every command without an instant's hesitation. Indeed, the
Englishman's servitude was so complete that he would suffer a tooth ache rather than visit the dentist
without explicit permission from his Indian master.While other Englishmen were busy arresting
political agitators seeking political agitators seeking political freedom and locking them in prison,
our Alan, confined himself for years in a small cottage with basic amenities far from what they
would have called civilization. Though he did have a servant, he was dependent, like most people at
that time, on buckets of water brought to his room, hurricane lamps at night and appalling heat during
the summer,that his English body was not prepared for.And all this for the sake of his guru and friend,
Sri Ramana. At the Asaramam he broke all the accepted British rules of behavior and bowed down at
Bhagavan's Feet, deliberately and formally stretching himself, all 6' 4'' of him, out on the floor,whenever
he came into the hallowed presence of the Master.


Arunachala Siva.     

So, while we may determine the location of the electron a little closely, we will greatly err in
measuring its 'speed'.  If, on the other hand, we choose a large wavelength photon, i.e.
one with low energy, we can measure of the electron's 'speed'  with fair accuracy , but not
its position, as stated above.  There is no way we can ensure accurate measurements of both
position and motion at the same time.

We face the same predicament with other sub atomic particles as well.  Particle physics
has an interesting law that links the uncertainty in position with the uncertainty in 'speed'.
It says that the arithmetic product of two uncertainties cannot be less than a certain value,
which is the same for all particles over the entire universe.  This is known as the Heisenberg
uncertainty principle,  It shows that these uncertainties are fundamental and intrinsic. They
cannot be circumvented even in principle by any experimental technique, no matter how

The true face of nature thus seems forever veiled from our prying eyes for unfathomable


Arunachala Siva.     

General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 19, 2015, 11:07:31 AM »
Can it not be said that one feels 'I am a Brahmina'  because he wears a sacred thread and a
ceremonial tuft, and a Sannyasin feels 'I am a Sannyasin' because he wears an ochre cloth
and has a waterpot?

Sacred thread is worn by Vaisyas and some artisans.  Some ascetics belonging to the Sudra
caste are also found with ochre cloth and the ceremonial water pot. If your presumption is right,
then the latter, (i.e.  the Vaisyas and Sudras described) should also have the feeling that they
are Brahmanas or Sannyasins.  If you say that the difference in their 'I-sense'  is due to difference
in the formation of the body as is the case with man and woman, we say that all the above mentioned
persons have no such difference in the formation of their bodies.  Next, you say that the difference
between them is based on their heredity from parents of great character that also will not be correct,
because there must then be difference of Brahmana, Sudra etc., in respect of the hair, teeth, nails,
excretion, etc., These should also then reflect their caste and also class differences. This is not the
case.  So even the creator Brahma cannot find any other reason than lack of discrimination as the
cause for the sense of 'I' of which we have been speaking.


Arunachala Siva.             

General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 19, 2015, 10:50:17 AM »
In that case, how do we come to have this feeling of identification or sense of 'I' with regard to
the mental modes mentioned above?

It is because of the lack of discriminative power.  Though the Jiva is by nature quite different from
the body, because of the lack of discrimination the Jiva thinks, 'I am a Brahmana', 'I am a Kshatriya',
'I am a Vaisya', 'I am a Sudra', 'I am a brahmachari', 'I am a householder', 'I am a Sannuasin',
'I am a man', 'I am a woman' and so on and so forth.  Except the sense of identification with them,
there is no other cause for these feelings.  This sense of identification arises from lack of discrimination.
If you say that it is only due to the possession of a body and not due to want of discrimination, then
a woman can feel she is a man, a Brahmacharin can feel he is a householder, etc., Such feelings and
behavior are not seen.  So identification through the sense of 'I' is not merely on account of the body.
It is due to the lack of discrimination.


Arunachala Siva.             

General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 19, 2015, 10:38:25 AM »
How do you know this?

In the waking state and dream states, a person has identification with his class and state in life,
and so the sixteen modes of the mind are present there and actions ensue.  In deep sleep and
complete relaxation such identification is not there, and as a consequence there are none of the
sixteen mental modes in those days. Due to their absence, there is no action in deep sleep.


Arunachala Siva.       

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 19, 2015, 09:40:01 AM »
10.  Andati Pedham:  The Cosmic  Space is also Siva in a different form:

Verse 1:

பெறுவ பகிரண்டம் பேதித்த அண்டம்
எறிகடல் ஏழின் மணலள வாகப்
பொறியொளி பொன்னணி யென்ன விளங்கிச்
செறியும்அண் டாசனத் தேவர் பிரானே.(1)

Cosmic Space is God`s Seat of Throne

In the vast spaces of Cosmos
Are universes numberless
That evolved and separated;
Countless are they
Like the sands that are
On the shores of seven seas;
Sparkling as a jewel of gold
That dazzles
They form His Seat of Throne
?For Him, the Lord of Celestial beings.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 19, 2015, 09:37:26 AM »
9.  Muk Guna and Nir Guna:

Verse 1:

சாத்திகம் எய்தும் நனவென்ப சாற்றுங்கால்
வாய்த்த இராசதம் மன்னும் கனவென்ப
ஓய்த்திடும் தாமதம் உற்ற சுழுத்தியாம்
மாய்த்திடும் நிற்குணம் மாசில் துரியமே.(1)

Gunas experiences in States of Consciousness

Sattvic is Guna in the Waking State,
Rajas in Dream State,
Tamas in Deep Sleep State,
Nirguna, that other three Gunas destroys,
Is attribute of Turiya State Pure.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 19, 2015, 09:34:21 AM »
8.  Para Avasthai:

Verse 1:

அஞ்சும் கடந்த அனாதிபரம் தெய்வம்
நெஞ்சமுந் தாய நிமலன் பிறப்பிலி
விஞ்சும் உடலுயிர் வேறு படுத்திட
வஞ்சத் திருந்த வகையறிந் தேனே. (1)

Mystery of Parting Life From Body

The Lord is the Para;
He is beginning-less;
He is beyond five states of experience,
He is the Pure One,
Seated within the heart;
He is birth-less;
Why this lovely body and life
He parts?
That mystery, I knew.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 19, 2015, 09:11:10 AM »
7. Kevala Sakala Suddham:

Verse 1:

தன்னை யறிசுத்தன் தற்கே வலன்றானும்
பின்ன முறநின்ற பேத சகலனும்
மன்னிய சத்தசத் துச்சத சத்துடன்
துன்னுவர் தத்தம் தொழிலள வாகவே. (1)

Sat, Asat and Sat-Asat Nature of Suddha, Kevala, Sakala States

He who cognizes the Self
Is in Suddha State;
He who not
Is in Kevala;
He who cognizes in distracting differences
Is in Sakala;
In Sat (Real), Asat (Unreal) and Sat-Asat (Real-Unreal)
They respective conjoin;
Each, according to his cognizing state.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 19, 2015, 09:08:18 AM »
6.  Suddha Nanavu State:

Verse 1:

நனவாதி தூலமே சூக்கப் பகுதி
அனவான ஐயைந்தும் விந்துவின் சத்தி
தனதாம் உயிர்விந்து தான்நின்று போந்து
கனவாம் நனவில் கலந்ததிவ் வாறே. (1)

Bindu Power Permeates Tattvas

The gross body of Waking State,
The subtle body of Dream State,
Together with Tattvas five and twenty
Are of Bindu`s Power verily;
That Power permeating Jiva
Penetrates the Waking and Dream States.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 19, 2015, 09:05:10 AM »
5.  AthuvakkaL - Athvas:

Verse 1:

தத்துவம் ஆறாறு தன்மனு ஆறைந்து
மெய்த்தகு வன்னம்ஐம் மானொன்று மேதினி
ஒத்திரு நூற்றிரு பான்நான்(கு) எண்பானொன்று
வைத்த பதம்கலை ஓரைந்தும் வந்தவே. (1)

The Six Higher Steps

Six times six are the Tattvas;
Seven Crores are the Mantras;
Fifty and one are the Varnas (letter-sounds);
Two hundred and twenty four are the Bhuvanas; global constellations;
Eighty and one are the Padas Primal,
Five, the Kalas rare.

Arunachala Siva.

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