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Sri Devi Kaalottaram, Jnanachara Vichara Patalam, rendered in Tamizh verses by Bhagavan Ramana,
in 85 verses from Sanskrit Upa-Agama, (auxiliary scripture), is one of the lesser read or known of
Bhagavan's works, like the Atma Sakshatkara Patalam.

Verse 12:

nivritto vishayajnaanaat nishkala jnaanataparah |
anicchanapi medhavee labhate mokshamakshayam ||

Being rid of the worldly knowledge, the great hero who has
acquired pure wisdom, in which there are no sense objects
and which is all pervading and without any form, will attain
immutable moksha without fail, even though he may have no
desire to attain liberation.

(Source: Tr. Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai, 1998)

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Communication and Attention - Vidya Sridhar:
« on: February 10, 2016, 03:42:57 PM »
(The above article appeared in July-Sept. 2015 of Mountain Path.)


In this era of wireless communication the human race seems to be communicating more, with
the advent of iPhones, video conferencing, internet radio, internet television and the increasing
number of TV channels.  Adults and even children carry around an iPad or tablet and play games,
listen to music, chat over internet, Facebook and Google. It is true that the world has become smaller
and people across the globe communicate  many times more than they did two decades ago.  Most
jobs are even taking place over the internet.  Our ancestors communicated face to face of their friends
or family to telephone, they have to walk to the houses of their friends or family to have a chat.  In the
current trend direct face to face communication is gone and people access their phones, talk through
video techniques, send text messages to even people living with them. College going students say
that their iPhone is a part of them and they cannot stay without it even for a minute.  Children also
have adopted to these gadgets, they become addicted at the young age of 5 or 6 and take them to be
part of themselves.


Arunachala Siva.             

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 10, 2016, 12:37:07 PM »
Today Appoothi Adigal's Liberation Day.

Thai (Pushya) month, Sathayam star day.

I have already given the history of Appodhi Adigal, in one of the earlier round of covering the 63 Siva

Arunachala Siva

The philosophic student, however, studies the nature of matter and discovers it to be a manifestation
of Mind.  Through such mentalistic reflection he comes to perceive that all the different evolutionary
explanations of the universal existence are truly only from the relative point of view; that all the elements,
principles, energies, substances, and processes out of which, it is taught, the universe has grown are
themselves mental manifestations;  and that just as water cannot be different in reality from oxygen and
hydrogen of which it is composed, no matter how different  it is from them in appearance, so these images
of earth, water, air and fire, cannot be essentially different from the Mind out of which they came.

In this way, he establishes himself thoroughly in the comprehension of the ultimate mentalness and hence
the ultimate oneness of all things and permits no appearance to dislodge him from this intellectual position.
He is imbued with the fact that with every breath and every thought he is  co-constructing this universe
with the World Mind and that therefore, in the New Testament phrase, 'in Him we live and move and have
our being.'


Arunachala Siva.     

This was an extraordinarily insightful and ground breaking thing to do.  Rowland Hazzard followed
Jung's advice and completely recovered.  Using Jung's advice Hazzard helped Bill Wilson to recover;
Wilson in 1935 went on to co found the first successful self help group programme for recovering
addicts, known today as AA or Alcoholic Anonymous.  Bill Wilson said his conversation with Rowland
Hazzard, his humility and deep perception played a critical role in the founding of the AA Fellowship.

In 1961, just months before Jung's  death, Wilson wrote to thank Jung for his direct help in curing him
of his addiction and his influence in helping to set up the first addiction recovery programme.  Jung
immediately replied informing him that he had taken a great risk at the time in advising Hazzard that
only hope left for him was to lead a spiritually based community.  For a medical doctor and psychiatrist
to suggest a spiritual cure for addiction in 1931, was radically new and is probably why Jung did not
mention it until after he was told about it by Wilson in 1961.


Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: The Heart of Vedanta - John Grimes:
« on: February 10, 2016, 10:19:16 AM »
Thus, for spiritual aspirants, Advaita emphasizes 'not this, not this', which is not so much to say that
appearances are not applicable to the Absolute,  as to indicate the impossibility of attributing any
conceptualization to It. Brahman is too great for words to adequately describe, or for the finite mind
to fathom.  Reality is called 'a-dvaita' to point to the fact that there is nothing with which it can be
compared to.

It is the thesis of Advaita that the Self is ever present and yet, one does not realize it.  The problem
for each individual can be reduced to the simple question of 'knowing' or 'not knowing'. With Vedanta
there is actually nothing to be done.  It is only a matter of understanding, but that understanding has to
be very accurate and refined.

The purpose of Advaita, of the Mahavakyas, of the Guru, of spiritual disciplines, is to kindle an awakening
to this ever-present, already established Self. This it does by utilizing the knowledge that appearances
cannot manifest independent of a reality which enables their manifestation.


Arunachala Siva.           

General topics / Re: Veda Parayanam - Eduardo Linder -
« on: February 10, 2016, 10:08:48 AM »
The vibration which is generated by the holy sounds is spiritual in nature and counters the dark forces
of inert matter in an effort to uplift creation.  The universal mantra AUM, now known throughout
the world, is the essential spiritual vibration of the universe.  Sanskrit, the language of the Vedas,
is said to have been revealed and it is claimed that the sounds of that form in 50 letters and perfect
grammar are unique. Even Western philologists study it as a great revelation in the course of human

There is a school of research today which refutes the notion that Sanskrit originated in Central Asia
or the Caucasus and was transported to India during the 'Aryan Invasion'.  The idea was propounded
in the late nineteenth century by Western philologists, some of whom had never visited India. It is
currently argued that Sanskrit was indigenous and that its texts go  back several thousand years.
European languages quite possibly developed from Sanskrit and not the reverse.


Arunachala Siva.         

General topics / Re: Lessons from the Brahma-Vishnu Tussle: S. Raman.
« on: February 10, 2016, 09:59:22 AM »
Once there was a tussle between the Lord of Creation, Brahma, and the Lord of Protection, Vishnu.
Brahma maintained that since he was the creator, without him there would be nothing to protect,
therefore he was the mightiest.  Vishnu contested this, saying that since nothing created could
remain without his acts of protection, he indeed was the greatest.  This developed into a heated
argument.  As the situation deteriorated, the Lord Supreme (Maheswara) decided to intervene
and he decided to appear before them as an infinite column of light. Bhagavan elsewhere described
this as being accompanied by a thunderous explosion.  Maheswara suggested to the contenders
that they might resolve their argument by taking part in a contest of trying to find either end of the
column of light, and that whosoever succeeded could indeed be declared the winner.  Since both of
them were, in their own minds, superior to all others neither of them could identify the newcomer,
and so agreed to this fair way of settling the issue. Vishnu took the form of a boar and went digging
in the earth to trace the bottom end of the column, and Brahma took the form of a swan and flew up
to seek the top end of the column.  Even after a long time, neither was successful. Vishnu got tired
of the venture and realized that the new entrant was obviously mightier than himself and therefore
he was not in a position to boast of being the mightiest. Having learnt his lesson, he retired from
the contest.


Arunachala Siva.       

Verse  218:

There is a pitcher of water, and there is the reflection of the sun in the water.  Seeing that reflection,
the fool thinks that that is the sun. So in the upadhis (ego), the reflection of the Atman is ignorance.
The fool thinks that that is the Atman.

Verse  219:

By giving up the reflection in the water, one sees the real sun in the sky. So one should give up these
three states - jagrat, svapna, and sushupti -- and see that anvil-like Atman, which is the cause of all
manifestations and is self effulgent.

Verse 220 & 221:

Giving up this body, intellect, and the reflection of consciousness in the intellect,  and resting in
the cave of the heart, the seer -- the Atman, indivisible consciousness, the manifester of all,
separated from the manifested and unmanifested, ever existent, and beyond all, all permeating,
very minute, with neither inside nor outside, the One without a second -- knowing Him, the real
Self of all, the individual becomes free from birth and death.


Arunachala Siva.           

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 10, 2016, 08:31:59 AM »
Verse  22:

இங்கது பிழைப்ப தெங்கே
   இனியென எரிவாய் சிந்தும்
அங்கையின் மழுவுந் தாமும்
   அனலும்வெங் காலு மென்னப்
பொங்கிய விசையிற் சென்று
   பொருகரி தொடர்ந்து பற்றும்
செங்கண்வாள் அரியிற் கூடிக்
   கிடைத்தனர் சீற்ற மிக்கார்.

"It cannot survive hereafter!" said he and held
In his palm the fire-breathing battle-axe.
He with the axe looked like fire attended by wind;
He leaped on with terrible speed, resembling
A fiery-eyed lion of cruel claws;
In spiraling wrath he encountered the tusker.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 10, 2016, 08:29:20 AM »
Verse 21:

வந்தவ ரழைத்த தொண்டர்
   தமைக்கண்டு வணங்கி உம்மை
இந்தவல் லிடும்பை செய்த
   யானைஎங் குற்ற தென்ன
எந்தையார் சாத்தும் பூவை
   என்கையில் பறித்து மண்மேல்
சிந்திமுன் பிழைத்துப் போகா
   நின்றதித் தெருவே யென்றார்.

He approached the summoning devotee and bowed;
He questioned him thus: "Where did it go,
The tusker that involved you in distress deep?"
Unto him he replied thus: "This is the street
Through which it passed, the sinful one --,
After plucking from my hand the flowers
-- Meet for my Father --, and scattering them on earth."   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 10, 2016, 08:26:30 AM »
Verse 20:

என்றவ ருரைத்த மாற்றம்
   எறிபத்தர் எதிரே வாரா
நின்றவர் கேளா மூளும்
   நெருப்புயிர்த் தழன்று பொங்கி
மன்றவ ரடியார்க் கென்றும்
   வழிப்பகை களிறே யன்றோ
கொன்றது வீழ்ப்ப னென்று
   கொடுமழு எடுத்து வந்தார்.

Eri-Patthar who came thither, heard these words;
He blazed aloft like spiraling flame;
In overflowing wrath he thundered thus:
"Is not the elephant the traditional enemy
Of the devotees of the Lord of the Ambalam?
I'll smite it to death." Thus he spake
And held aloft his battle-axe.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 10, 2016, 08:23:34 AM »
Verse  19:

நெடியோன் அறியா நெறியா ரறியும்
படியால் அடிமைப் பணிசெய் தொழுகும்
அடியார் களில்யான் ஆரா அணைவாய்
முடியா முதலாய் எனவே மொழிய.

"Established in the way unknown even to Vishnu,
The devotees as servitors serve the Lord;
What is my worth in this holy company
Meriting Your advent for my rescue? O Endless Ens!"
Thus he cried, and even thus he lamented.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 10, 2016, 08:21:11 AM »
Verse 18:

தஞ்சே சரணம் புகுதுந் தமியோர்
நெஞ்சேய் துயரங் கெடநேர் தொடரும்
மஞ்சே யெனவீழ் மறலிக் கிறைநீள்
செஞ்சே வடியாய் சிவதா சிவதா.

"He took refuge in Your feet;
You resolved to rid him of his grief;
So when dark Yama came chasing him
You smote him with Your roseate foot, Sivata!"   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 10, 2016, 08:18:24 AM »
Verse  17:

ஆறும் மதியும் அணியுஞ் சடைமேல்
ஏறும் மலரைக் கரிசிந் துவதே
வேறுள் நினைவார் புரம்வெந் தவியச்
சீறுஞ் சிலையாய் சிவதா சிவதா.

"Should an elephant spill away the blooms fit to
Deck the matted hair where abide the crescent and the Ganga.
O wielder of angry bow who burnt the cities
Of Asuras that harbored hostility, Sivata, Sivata!"   

Arunachala Siva.

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