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There was one gentleman by name Thinnai Swami.  He came to see Bhagavan Ramana with his
family.  When he was taking leave of Bhagavan, Bhagavan merely said, "Iru".  "Be."  He continued
in Tiruvannamalai for another 25 years, and the family left him and visiting him occasionally.
He was living in a Thinnai, the front portal of a large house.  No bath.  No change of dress.  Food, only
when someone offers.  Such is the magnetic spell of Bhagavan Ramana.

Arunachala Siva.


Bhagavan Ramana has said to some new visitors asking about His biography to read the
Sri Ramana Ashottaram of Sri Viswanatha Swami.  It covers His place of birth, His gothra,
His father's name, His living in Madurai, His Atma Jnana Udayam in Chokkappa Naicken Street,
His reaching Arunachala, His stay in Virupaksha Cave, Skandasramam, His works like
Upadesa Saram, Sad Darsanam, Arunachala Stuti Panchakam, Sri Ramana Gita etc.,
It also speaks about Matrumukti and finally ends as Om Sri Purushottamaya Namah. 
There are implicit references about His avatara of Skanda.

Arunachala Siva.

This too may be misleading when we remember that its highest stage is entirely thought free.  Therefore
it may be less likely to lead to misunderstanding if we here use 'self absorption'  as an equivalent and
refrain henceforth from using the term 'trance' altogether.  What is meant is a rapt absorption of the thoughts 
in the essence of oneself and a profound immersion of the feelings in the indescribable felicity.  If used at all
for yogic experiences the word 'trance' ought to be reserved for those cataleptic states which consummate
the efforts of practicants in the final phases of the yoga of body control, with which we are not here concerned
for such a path can never directly lead to that realization of the Overself which is the proper goal set out in
these writings.  The unconscious state attained by this system is not regarded as desirable or necessary on
the path unfolded here.  It would indeed be useless.  The trances of the hatha yogis, of the faqueers who
permit themselves to be buried alive for a few hours or days, render the man unconscious as the 'I' thought
falls back into its source within the heart. When it returns, he has had no more spiritual benefit than he
has had from ordinary sleep, whereas in the higher self absorption of mystical meditation the ego merges
back into the heart while fully conscious.

Nobody need be frightened away from the practice of meditation therefore by the belief that it is beyond
the reach of all but a select few or that it will be necessary for them to fall into a trance in the sense of a
fainting away into unconsciousness.  On the contrary, the practice itself is not only within the capacity             
of all but seeks a state of fuller consciousness, a psychological condition of expanded awareness.


Arunachala Siva. 

General topics / Re: A Sense of Peace -- K.C. Mohan:
« on: January 30, 2016, 11:35:23 AM »
Bhagavan had a great sense of humor.   There was once incident which illustrated this, when a nephew
of mine saw the monkeys in the courtyard outside the Hall, and being a mischievous boy, began to chase
them.  Bhagavan, who saw this joked, 'They are all monkeys.'  It may not sound so funny now, but when
He spoke with such affection, one could not but laugh with Him at the comical sight of those scampering

Altogether, visiting Sri Ramanasramam was a great experience and affected the course of my future life.
When I remember that time, it is with a feeling of overwhelming peace; more so even than when I
visited holy temples such as Guruvayur.  The peace was something you automatically took with you
when the time came for departure.  It lingered on for days and even now, so many years after these events
of my childhood, there is deep down a prevailing sense of peace which has kept me safe and secure when
times were rough and uncertain.

In 1949, we first heard about Bhagavan's illness that eventually proved fatal.  My mother was shocked
at the possibility that Bhagavan would no longer be physically present in this world.  She had a dream
about Him and saw His body, which gave her some solace.


Arunachala Siva.                 

General Discussion / Re: The Man on the Golden Horse:
« on: January 30, 2016, 10:21:41 AM »
History, he added, is not limited by the ignorance and prejudice that would demean the other nations
and enshrine one 'grand idea'  as the well spring of every worthy quest and every flowering man.
Civilizations were distinct and unique but they also overlapped, provoked, stimulated, and challenged
one another. History, he maintained, does not follow one immutable path, become petrified in one mold,
comprise one linear trajectory.  History was like the tale of a 'thousand rising suns', none of which fails
to 'become a setting sun' sooner or later.  He added that we ourselves were living in a land that had
'slumbered for centuries' but insisted that it was awake and ever advancing.  And man, he assured us,
'can flower in endless ways that our illustrious leaders neither knew nor care about.'

He concluded that the failure of a nation, a people, a culture was an impoverishment of all mankind,
since every people, when it ripens well and attains its own unique destiny, enhances the common
heritage of the human race.


Arunachala Siva.     

General Discussion / Re: Atyashrama - John Grimes:
« on: January 30, 2016, 10:12:38 AM »
Q:  Are there any restrictions or disciplines for that state?

B:  There are characteristics of it mentioned.

Q:  There are Gurus for each ashrama.  Is there a Guru for atyashrama?

B: Yes.

Q:  But you do not admit a Guru.

B:  There is a Guru for everyone.  I admit a Guru for me also.

Q:  Who is your Guru?

B:  The Self.

Q:  For whom?

B:  For myself. The Guru may be internal or external.  He may reveal himself internally or externally.

Q:  Can the atyahrami own property?

B: There is no restriction for them. They may do what they please.  Their conduct is not regulated according
to the rules or codes. (Talks $ 291)

For the people who belong to castes, elaborate ashrama dharmas or codes of behavior for each stages of
life have been laid down by eminent persons well versed in the sastras.  These rules are always compulsory
for those people who have caste and an ashrama.  However, the caste and ashrama dharma do not bind
those, either male or female, who have attained clear knowledge of Brahman.


Arunachala Siva.     

General topics / Re: A Sense of Peace -- K.C. Mohan:
« on: January 30, 2016, 10:01:48 AM »
Being young I did not sit for very long in the small hall where Bhagavan gave darshan. After about ten
minutes my cousin and I left to climb the nearby Arunachala.  But the short time I did sit on the cool
floor in Bhagavan's presence made an indelible impression.  There was a sense of quiet. Bhagavan mostly
looked at people in a serene manner.  When he looked at me I felt very happy and pleased.There was a
sense of elation.  I did not feel fear, anxiety or any other type of negativity in his presence.  He was
friendly and approachable.

My visits to Sri Ramanasramam were exhilarating though brief. I would sit with folded hands, along with
my mother in the hall, as near to Bhagavan possible. My mother would tell me about how her worries
disappeared while sitting in the hall in Bhagavan's presence, and quite often she would clear her doubts
by seeking clarifications from him, which were always forthcoming.  In spite of the large number of devotees
present, the calm and peace that pervaded the place had a powerful effect on us.  I would also spend
considerable time walking on the Hill and enjoying the tranquility of the surroundings.


Arunachala Siva.         

General topics / Re: Guru Ramana Prasadam - (II)
« on: January 30, 2016, 09:49:19 AM »
Verse 193:

In the divine silence, the holy feet of the Guru caused the realm of grace to blossom within my heart,
and through the experience of their deeply peaceful nature, I gained them for myself in the form of a
life lived, as it were, on a cool mountainside (tan paruppata vazhvu).  Within my own heart I attained the
state of the real, the pure space of bliss for which my longing never ends.

Verse 194:

The state in which one attains and becomes permanently established in limitless peace, the pure state of
grace, the exquisite supreme bliss whose nature is delight, is none other than the holy feet of the Guru,
the tender flame of true knowledge that ever watches over those devotees whose love is true.

Verse 195:

When I became united with the feet of the Sadguru, my worldly ties were cut away through the practice
of absorption in his abiding Selfhood, with no longer any need to acquire empirical knowledge, and the
lofty knowledge of Sivam ripened within me as the vast Supreme.

Verse 196:

A column of pure light, sweet nectar to our minds, holy Mount Annamalai towers on high.  And there,
enthroned in holy majesty, filling my eyes with his blissful sight dwells my divine guru. Dwelling without
thought upon my Master's holy feet, I have merged with the open sky of bliss.

Verse 197:

Sipping the sweet nectar of Lord Siva's bliss from the bright lotuses of his feet that flourished within
my understanding, dispelling my deep sorrow, I was filled with the light of my own inner realization,
that blessed ocean of divine silence, so long desired.


Arunachala Siva.               

The mental sheath:

Verse 167:

The organs of feeling and the mind  - these make the third or 'mental sheath' (Manomaya Kosa).
This mind thinks of its separation from others and fills the other two sheaths.

Verse 168:

This mind knows everything by the five senses -- making them the givers of oblations, the objects
of senses form the butter, and desire the fuel.     

Verse 169:

I have told you about avidya.  Know that there is no avidya other than this mind.  It is the cause of all
bondage.  By its death, everything is destroyed but when it is manifested, everything (the phenomenal
universe) is there.

Verse 170:

In the dream state where there is no object, this mind, by its own power, creates everything; and so
also it has created all we see in jagrat (waking state).   There is no difference between svapna (dream)
and jagrat (waking state).  Everything we see is the creation of the mind.

Verse 171:

In the time of sushupti (dreamless sleep), when the mind is absorbed in Maya, - when there is no mind --
there is nothing.  Therefore, everything is created by the mind.


Arunachala Siva.       

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 30, 2016, 08:29:36 AM »
Verse 12:

மாது கூறுவள் மற்றொன்றும் காண்கிலேன்
ஏதி லாரும் இனித்தரு வாரில்லை
போதும் வைகிற்றுப் போமிடம் வேறிலை
தீது செய்வினை யேற்கென் செயலென்று.

His wife replied him thus: "I see no other way.
There are none to give us aught;
It's late in the night; there's no other place to go;
What is there for this sinner to do?" Thus she.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 30, 2016, 08:27:20 AM »
Verse 11:

நமக்கு முன்பிங் குணவிலை யாயினும்
இமக்கு லக்கொடி பாகர்க் கினியவர்
தமக்கு நாம்இன் னடிசில் தகவுற
அமைக்கு மாறெங்ங னேஅணங் கேயென.

"Even though we have no food for ourselves
We must yet fittingly feed him who is a devotee
Of the Lord whose Consort is the daughter of Himavant.
In what way do we, this achieve?" Thus he.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 30, 2016, 08:25:21 AM »
Verse  10:

ஈர மேனியை நீக்கி இடங்கொடுத்
தார வின்னமு தூட்டுதற் காசையால்
தார மாதரை நோக்கித் தபோதனர்
தீர வேபசித் தார்செய்வ தென்னென்று.

He dried His dripping person and then
Offered to Him duly a seat;
He desired to feed his guest;
He addressed his wife thus: "Great is the hunger
Of this tapaswi; what shall we do?"   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 30, 2016, 08:23:45 AM »
Verse 9:

மாரிக் காலத் திரவினில் வைகியோர்
தாரிப் பின்றிப் பசிதலைக் கொள்வது
பாரித் தில்லம் அடைத்தபின் பண்புற
வேரித் தாரான் விருந்தெதிர் கொண்டனன்.

On a night when it rained Maranar remained
Behind latched doors wallowing in soaring hunger
With nothing to relieve him.
It was thus, even thus, he welcomed his guest.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 30, 2016, 08:22:14 AM »
Verse 8:

மற்ற வர்செய லின்ன தன்மைய
   தாக மாலய னானஅக்
கொற்ற ஏனமும் அன்ன முந்தெரி
   யாத கொள்கைய ராயினார்
பெற்ற மூர்வதும் இன்றி நீடிய
   பேதை யாளுடன் இன்றியோர்
நற்ற வத்தவர் வேட மேகொடு
   ஞால முய்ந்திட நண்ணினார்.

While thus flourished his service, the Lord
Unknown to Vishnu -- the triumphant Boar,
And Brahma -- the Swan, stepped down on earth
To bless it, in the guise of a great tapaswi
Unaccompanied by His Consort, and His mount, the Bull.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 30, 2016, 08:20:22 AM »
Verse 7:

இன்ன வாறுவ ளஞ்சு ருங்கவும்
   எம்பி ரான்இளை யான்குடி
மன்னன் மாறன்ம னஞ்சு ருங்குத
   லின்றி யுள்ளன மாறியுந்
தன்னை மாறியி றுக்க உள்ளக
   டன்கள் தக்கன கொண்டுபின்
முன்னை மாறில்தி ருப்ப ணிக்கண்மு
   திர்ந்த கொள்கைய ராயினார்.

His wealth wilted; but the mind of our deity
--Maran, the Lord of Ilayankudi --, did not wilt;
By barter, pledge and mortgage he came by
The wherewithal to do as before his service divine
To the devotees, in which he grew mellow.

Arunachala Siva.

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