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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: February 15, 2016, 05:50:34 AM »

Suri Nagamma's life is one great wonder.  Even for writing Letters from Sri Ramanasramam, she
had some opposition.  Sarvadhikari did not want her to write anything, after some time.
Bhagavan Ramana kept as usual mum.  But later Sarvadhikari relented and today we have got
2 volumes of her letters which are simple (and not pedantic like those of Munagala and others)
but very revealing in regard to Bhagavan Ramana's teachings.

Arunachala Siva.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: February 15, 2016, 05:48:43 AM »

The Hill story is like this:  Seeing Bhagavan Ramana, (He was very young then) roaming all
around the Hill, the an cooly lady remarked:  "Fie, You be put in pyre.  summa sivanenu
irrukkapadatha?  "Will not you be still, as Siva, why are you moving
here and there?" 

This, Bhagavan Ramana said was the highest advice for Him.

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Communication and Attention - Vidya Sridhar:
« on: February 14, 2016, 02:38:56 PM »
There is another proverb in Tamizh that says, 'Thottil pazhakkam sudukadu mattum', which says,
'What habits are formed in the cradle stay till the cremation ground.'  Can one expect the TV and computer
to give positive guidance and experiences that will stay with children throughout their lives?  Hence today's
generation has much at stake and it is important that it raises the children with positive attitudes and tendencies. Positive reactions and habits can be inculcated by paying full attention through the eye to eye contact. Children will grow up feeling secure, contended and peaceful when given the attention they need.

In the modern world, people have found no limit to their desire to acquire gadgets from the ever increasing
temptations that the world market puts forth.  Although there is an increase in the number of tools, appliances
and goods that have outwardly raised the standard of living, this has only caused physical health and mental
peace to deteriorate. Hence more and more people in this world suffer from depression, and anxiety
and have to take to medication.


Arunachala Siva.   

For it is now an illumined activity.  Thus the ultimate aim is not to suppress thinking and sit in a prolonged
solitary trances.  It is not even to keep the mind free from thoughts but from their tyranny, to bring it to
understand the true significance of their characteristic manifestations as 'I' and the world, and to make the
man effortlessly ever conscious of his innermost essence into the fourth state of sage is never able to escape
from it again.  Whether awake or sleep, in repose or at labor, he is held abidingly by its enigmatic transcedence. The fourth state if fully attained is continuous throughout the other three.  It does not vanish with the oncoming of either bodily sleep or bodily wakefulness.  It is effortlessly retained in the sense that a man in the wakeful state retains his personal identity.

There is no desire here to underrate the great worth of even the mystic's achievement but it may be said
that whereas he attains a partially true insight the philosopher attains a perfectly true one. Nature wants the
mystic to rise from a merely emotional understanding to a calmly intelligent one which will never be
contradicted by its own lapse or recoil into a lower condition.  Both the imperceptibly changing thoughts
of thoughts of objects, that is, both things and imaginations, take their original birth and find their eventual
death in this essence of Mind, which itself persists formless, changeless and uncontradicted by anything else,
which has ever arisen or could ever arise.  In spite of the innumerable forms under which it manifests itself
Mind-essence never gives up in its own eternal identity.


Arunachala Siva.                   

General topics / Re: Veda Parayanam - Eduardo Linder -
« on: February 14, 2016, 01:19:53 PM »
Teaching techniques differ according to the tradition of the teacher.  The following remarks will shed some
light on the process.  First, of course, the alphabet must be learned and here there is a difference between
South India and North India.  In the South grantha script is used, while in the North, it is the devanagari,
the usual Sanskrit alphabet.  The Brahmanas are usually learned first since these mantras are simpler and
easier for grasp.  The teacher recites one Vakya, (line) and the student repeats it twice.  For a normal student
10 to 30 lines may be given, but for an outstanding student up to 500 lines.  This will continue for 9 days,'
during which a student is expected to repeat the lesson at least 100 times per day.  Once the Samhitas
are taken up, they are taught 50 padas (words) at a time. This is called a panchashati.  There are 2195
panchshatis in the 7 kandas of the Samhita of the Krishna Yajur Veda.  There is no doubt that very strong
samskaras play an important part concerning the innate ability of the student.  At the level of ghanam
(the most advanced chant form), one can almost be assured that samskaras from a previous life are at
work, since this very exacting mode of chanting cannot be taken up by most students.

At Sri Ramanasramam the Krishna Yajur Veda was chanted twice a day when Bhagavan was in the body.
This tradition is carried on at His Samadhi to this day. Before the Veda Patasala was founded at Sri
Ramanasramam, pundits from town would come to chant in front of Bhagavan and all accounts of His life
mention that at the 5 p.m. session of the Veda Parayanam, Bhagavan would sit rock-like and the silence
and grace that were present would be apparent to even casual visitors.  He commented that listening to the
Vedas had a calming effect on His mind, which is a precondition for any meditation practice, as well as
Atma vichara,  His most well known method.


Arunachala Siva.                     

General topics / Re: Lessons from the Brahma-Vishnu Tussle: S. Raman.
« on: February 14, 2016, 01:02:28 PM »
Vishnu persisted with his efforts, and at  some point he realized the futility of his work.  He was able
to see clearly that there was a greater power than  his.  He returned and surrendered as a loser ti
the Infinite.  Is not surrender what is expected of anyone who is able to see clearly the finiteness of
oneself.  What is the general experience of any person who is very wealthy, but is struck by a tragedy?
He not only learns that all his wealth cannot get him what he needs, much less happiness that he desires
so much.  He begins to see the futility of belongings and eventually develops detachment from things
that are not ultimately useful.

On the other hand, what was the experience of Brahma?  He saw a flower falling from above, his intellect
started working in a very logical way, and he coached the flower to be a false witness buttressed by a
convincing argument.  He returned with this witness and strove to get himself declared the winner.
How could it ever have happened to the consort of goddess of learning?  Obviously, there is a lesson here
for us.  If the pursuit of knowledge is not undertaken in the right spirit and is confined to ephemeral things,
there is always the danger of it becoming a double-edged sword. Intelligence can become perverted,
in Sanskrit 'yukti becoming kuyukti', and that marks the fall of a person.  Knowledge usually picked up
through worldly senses and things must progressively and ultimately graduate to that of knowing oneself.
If that does not happen, then there is always potential for trouble.  It will make a person argumentative and
cunning, ready to coax others into colluding in what is believed to be the only right way of behavior, but
actually is immoral.  This is what possibly has been illustrated by Brahma's experience.

Arunachala Siva.   

Verse  235:

What appears cannot be real.  The basis is the real thing, and the appearance  is only through ignorance.

Verse  236:

As in the mother of pearl,  silver appears; so in the Atman, appears everything.  Though it is ignorance,
the basis is the Atman.

Nature of Brahman:

Verse 237:

Therefore,  the Supreme Soul is alone real -- One without a second, pure consciousness, without
any blemish, quiet,  beginningless, endless, beyond all actions, always Blissfulness itself.

Verse  238:

Dispelling all the distinctions that are created by Maya, it ever exists, -- unchangeable,  without parts,
not to be measured, without form, without name, endless, self conscious, -- and manifest alone 

Verse 239:

Beyond these three - knower, known, and knowledge, where there is no change at all, one Consciousness,
exits the Supreme.  The sages alone know such Atman.

Verse  240:

That which cannot be avoided, better than all, beyond the conception of mind, and words, that which
cannot be defined, perfect --know that as thine own Self.   


Arunachala Siva.       

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:46:16 AM »
Verse  10:

வெங்கட் புலிகிடந்த
   வெம்முழையிற் சென்றழைக்கும்
பைங்கட் குறுநரியே
   போல்வான் படைகொண்டு
பொங்கிப் புறஞ்சூழ்ந்து
    போர்குறித்து நேர்நின்றே
அங்கட் கடைநின்
   றழைத்தா னொலிகேளா.

Like the small-eyed fox coming to the dreaded den
Of the fierce-eyed tiger and challenging it,
He, seething in wrath, surrounded the house
In armed strength, and straight challenged him;
Yenati Nathar heard the call assailing his threshold.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:43:21 AM »
Verse  9:

தோள்கொண்ட வல்லாண்மைச்
   சுற்றத் தொடுந்துணையாம்
கோள்கொண்ட போர்மள்ளர்
   கூட்டத் தொடும்சென்று
வாள்கொண்ட தாயம்
   வலியாரே கொள்வதென
மூள்கின்ற செற்றத்தால்
   முன்கடையில் நின்றழைத்தான்.

With manly kin strong-shouldered and mercenaries
He marched to the fore-steps of the house
Of Yenati Nathar and shouted thus:
"The right to train men in fencing
Is his who is the victor in the battle."
Thus in exceeding wrath he challenged him.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:41:08 AM »
Verse 8:

கதிரோன் எழமழுங்கிக்
   கால்சாயுங் காலை
மதிபோல் அழிந்துபொறா
மற்றவனும் சுற்றப்
    பதியோ ருடன்கூடப்
பண்ணியமர் மேற்சென்
    றெதிர்போர் விளைப்பதற்கே.

Like the paling of the moon of ineffectual light
When at dawn the sun rises, he waned
While his envy waxed great; Atichuran
Enlisted his kin and other townsmen
To give battle to Yenati Nathar,
And was firm in his resolution.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:38:42 AM »
Verse  7:

தானாள் விருத்திகெடத்
   தங்கள்குலத் தாயத்தின்
ஆனாத செய்தொழிலாம்
   ஆசிரியத் தன்மைவளம்
மேனாளுந் தான்குறைந்து
    மற்றவர்க்கே மேம்படலால்
ஏனாதி நாதர்திறத்
   தேலா இகல்புரிந்தான்.

His occupation gradually waned and his income
As a master of fencing which he pursued
As of right due to his family, decreased.
As Yenati Nathar's fortune increased
He deemed him his foe, though but improperly.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:36:57 AM »
Verse  6:

மற்றவனும் கொற்ற
   வடிவாட் படைத்தொழில்கள்
கற்றவர்கள் தன்னில்
   கடந்துள்ளார் இல்லையெனும்
பெற்றிமையால் மாநிலத்து
   மிக்க பெருமிதம்வந்
துற்றுலகில் தன்னையே
   சால மதித்துள்ளான்.

Among the triumphant fencing masters
He thought, none could him excel;
In sheer hauteur he thrived on this vast earth;
He was indeed full of himself.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:34:23 AM »
Verse  5:

நள்ளார் களும்போற்றும்
   நன்மைத் துறையின்கண்
எள்ளாத செய்கை
   இயல்பின் ஒழுகுநாள்
தள்ளாத தங்கள்
   தொழிலுரிமைத் தாயத்தின்
உள்ளான் அதிசூரன்
   என்பான் உளனானான்.

He pursued his vocation, praised even by his foes;
He flourished flawless poised in virtue
He had an agnate Atichuran called
Who too was entitled to pursue this art.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:32:25 AM »
Verse  4:

வாளின் படைபயிற்றி
   வந்த வளமெல்லாம்
நாளும் பெருவிருப்பால்
    நண்ணும் கடப்பாட்டில்
தாளும் தடமுடியும்
    காணாதார் தம்மையுந்தொண்
டாளும் பெருமான்
   அடித்தொண்டர்க் காக்குவார்.

All the wealth he derived from his art
He daily expended in love on the devotees
Of the Lord who rules even them that canst not
Comprehend His crown or feet;
He deemed this his fitting service.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:29:30 AM »
Verse  3:

தொன்மைத் திருநீற்றுத்
   தொண்டின் வழிபாட்டின்
நன்மைக்கண் நின்ற
   நலமென்றும் குன்றாதார்
மன்னர்க்கு வென்றி
   வடிவாள் படைபயிற்றும்
தன்மைத் தொழில்
   விஞ்சையில்தலைமை சார்ந்துள்ளார்.

He was devoted to the hoary and hallowed holy ash;
He always wore it and adored it;
In its endless well-being he was established;
He trained the king's men in triumphant fencing
In which he was the sole accredited master.   

Arunachala Siva.

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