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Bhagavan was asked by Swami Yogananda:

'How is the spiritual  up lift of the people to be effected?  What are the instructions to be given to them?

Maharshi: They differ according to the temperaments of the individuals and according to the spiritual
ripeness of their minds.  There cannot be any instruction en masse.

Devotee: Why does God permit suffering in the world?  Should  He not with His omnipotence do away
with it at one stroke and ordain the universal realization of God?

Maharshi:  Suffering is the way for Realization of God.

Devotee: Should He not ordain differently?

Maharshi: It is the way.  (Talks # 107)

This is not a sweet panacea that Bhagavan counsels.  Every winter in recent years at Tiruvannamalai,
we see the examples of new temples springing up to cater for those who are willing to give a coin as
they stand before a shrine in the hope of being heard. Witness a plethora of would be gurus who hawk
their credentials, knowing that there is a steady influx of visitors who came, attracted by the fame of
Arunachala and Bhagavan.  Casting their nets to earn a name, power, and a fortune, they present
attractive face and possibly a sincere, though inept, with to help others. The subtle allure of wanting
to be worshipped is as powerful as the allure of Gold. It is fool's Gold in another form.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.               

12422
Verse  289:

Self effulgent, the basis of all - become that and give up this universe (both microcosm and the
macrocosm) as insignificant.

Verse 290:

In the consciousness that is ever blissful, put your consciousness that is in this body.  Give up
this gross and subtle body and be one, universal Whole.

Verse 291:

The Atman, the mirror in which this world is reflected, -- know that as thine own Self and be perfect.

Verse 292;

That is Reality Itself. That is your own real Self. That is pure consciousness, One without a second,
Blissfulness Itself, without form and without actions. Take that and give up this unreal body as the
actor gives up his dress after the play.     

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.

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6. Uttama stavaad uccha mandatah
    chittajam japa dhyanam uttamam.

Silent meditation, in the mind, is higher than the best devotional praise, or the uttering of sacred
names, loudly or softely.

We see here, as in the fourth verse, a scale of excellence. Again, the Maharshi's theme is that the
quieter and more internal the devotional practice, the more effective it is.

The Maharshi is not rejecting the singing of hymns or the recitation of devotional poetry. His devotees
sang His verses while begging food in Sri Ramanasramam or walking with Him round the sacred
Arunachala Hill.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.       

12424
In the context of Bhagavan's teachings, just as Vichara (investigation or inquiry) means by default only
Atma Vichara (self investigation or self inquiry), Sphurana means by default only Aham Sphurana,
the 'clear shining of I'.  Just as the shining of a light is not other than that light, because if a light
did not shine it would not be a light, this clear shining of 'I' is not other than 'I' because if 'I' did not shine
(that is, if it was not experienced by itself) it would not be 'I'.

However, in the contexts other than Bhagavan's teachings, the Sanskrit word Sphuranam has a much
broader range of meanings, such as shining, glittering, sparkling, twinkling, flashing, shining forth,
springing to the mind, appearing, starting into view, breaking forth, manifestation, quivering, trembling,
throbbing, vibration or pulsation.  In short, anything that shines, appears, manifests, becomes clear
or makes itself known can be called Sphurana. In the context of Bhagavan's  teachings, however, many
of these meanings of Sphurana are obviously not applicable, because 'I' does not sparkle, twinkle,
quiver, tremble, throb, vibrate or pulsate, since it is essentially just being, not something that moves in any
way or does anything. The things that we mistake to be 'I',  such as our body and mind, do move and act,
but 'I' itself just is and does not move or do anything.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.                     

12425
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:44:14 AM »
Verse 90:


குன்றியைநிகர் முன்செறஎரி
   கொடுவிழிஇடி குரல்நீள்
பன்றியும்அடல் வன்றிறலொடு
    படர்நெறிநெடி தோடித்
துன்றியதொரு குன்றடிவரை
   சுலவியநெறி சூழல்
சென்றதனிடை நின்றதுவலி 
   தெருமரமரம் நிரையில்.


The eyes of the boar which were jutting out
Fiercely blazed with fire, and were like the beans of kunri;
Its roar was truly like the rumbling of clouds;
The huge boar after covering a great distance
By constant running eventually stood
At the foot of the hill amidst the boscage.

Arunachala Siva.

12426
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:41:58 AM »
Verse 89:


நாடியகழல் வயவர்களவர்
   நாணனும்நெடு வரிவில்
காடனும்எனும் இருவருமலை 
   காவலரொடு கடிதில்
கூடினர்விடு பகழிகளொடு 
   கொலைஞமலிகள் வழுவி
நீடியசரி படர்வதுதரு
    நீழலின்விரை கேழல்.


Nanan and Kadan were they, mighty heroes;
They anon joined Thinnan, the ruler of the hills;
The boar escaped from their darts and dogs,
And took to its heels in the long umbrageous slope of the hill.

Arunachala Siva.

12427
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:40:15 AM »
Verse  88:


போமதுதனை அடுதிறலொடு 
   பொருமறவர்கள் அரியே
றாமவர்தொடர் வுறும்விசையுடன்
   அடிவழிசெலும் அளவில்
தாமொருவரு ம் அறிகிலரவர் 
   தனிதொடர்வுழி அதன்மேல்
ஏமுனையடு சிலைவிடலைகள் 
   இருவர்கள்அடி பிரியார்.



Thinnan who was a lion among the hunters
That pursued the boar to down it,
Chased with great speed the fleeing boar;
Other hunters lost track of the beast;
He alone pursued it in its solitary flight;
There were indeed two who would not from him part.

Arunachala Siva.

12428
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:38:15 AM »
Verse  87:


இவ்வகைவரு கொலைமறவினை
    எதிர்நிகழ்வுழி அதிரக்
கைவரைகளும் வெருவுறமிடை
   கானெழுவதொர் ஏனம்
பெய்கருமுகி லெனஇடியொடு
   பிதிர்கனல்விழி சிதறி
மொய்வலைகளை அறநிமிர்வுற
    முடுகியகடு விசையில்.


While thus the murderous chase was pursued,
A boar rushed forth in great tumult; to fright
It put, even the tuskers; the jungle itself trembled;
It thundered like the huge and dark nimbus;
Its jutting eyes spat fire.

Arunachala Siva.

12429
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:36:07 AM »
Verse  86:


துடியடியன மடிசெவியன 
   துறுகயமுனி தொடரார்
வெடிபடவிரி சிறுகுருளைகள்
   மிகைபடுகொலை விரவார்
அடிதளர்வுறு கருவுடையன 
   அணைவுறுபிணை அலையார்
கொடியனஎதிர் முடுகியும்உறு 
   கொலைபுரிசிலை மறவோர்.

The murderous hunters who faced the wild beasts
And slaughtered them in abundance
Would not hunt elephant-cubs whose legs
Were like tudis and whose ears were bent.
Neither would they hunt the young ones that romped
And ran making noise; nor would they harm
Toddling animals gravid.   

Arunachala Siva.

12430
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:34:28 AM »
Verse  85:


பலதுறைகளின் வெருவரலொடு 
   பயில்வலையற நுழைமா
உலமொடுபடர் வனதகையுற
   உறுசினமொடு கவர்நாய்
நிலவியவிரு வினைவலையிடை
   நிலைசுழல்பவர் நெறிசேர்
புலனுறுமன னிடைதடைசெய்த
    பொறிகளின்அள வுளவே.



When in dread the animals rushed tearing the nets
The hounds blocked in wrath their escape
And seized them; this was like unto the act
Of the five senses which blocked the escape
Of mind which in its effort to gain the righteous path
Tried to tear and slip away from the toils
Of the resultants of the two-fold deeds.   

Arunachala Siva.

12431
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:32:39 AM »
Verse  84:


கடல்விரிபுனல் கொளவிழுவன 
   கருமுகிலென நிரையே
படர்வொடுசெறி தழைபொதுளிய 
   பயில்புதல்வன மதன்மேல்
அடலுறுசரம் உடலுறவரை 
   அடியிடம்அல மரலால்
மிடைகருமரை கரடிகளொடு
   விழுவனவன மேதி.


As the darts got stuck in their bodies, they could not
Stand firm in the slopes of the mountains;
They twirled and fell on the thick leafy shrubs.
This was like unto the resting of clouds on sea
To suck the water thereof; thus fell on the jingle sward
Black marais, boars and bisons galore.   

Arunachala Siva.

12432
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:30:36 AM »
Verse 83:


நீளிடைவிசை மிசைகுதிகொள 
   நெடுமுகில்தொட எழுமான்
தாளுறுகழல் மறவர்கள்விடு
   சரநிரைதொடர் வனதாம்
வாள்விடுகதிர் மதிபிரிவுற
   வருமெனவிழும் உழையைக்
கோளொடுபயில் பணிதொடர்நிலை
   கொளவுளவெதிர் பலவே.


The stags that jumped and touched the great clouds
Were pursued by the arrows of ankleted heroes;
This was like unto the pursuit of Rahu of the deer
That slipped from the lustrous Chandra-mandala;
Thus did jump many a deer.

Arunachala Siva.

12433
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:28:17 AM »
Verse  82:


கருவரையொரு தனுவொடுவிசை
   கடுகியதென முனைநேர்
குரிசில்முன்விடும் அடுசரமெதிர்
    கொலைபயில்பொழு தவையே
பொருகரியொடு சினவரியிடை
    புரையறவுடல் புகலால்
வருமிரவொடு பகலணைவன
   எனமிடையுமவ் வனமே.


The arrows of Thinnan who looked like
A black hill rushing with a bow,
Smote and killed the animals that came
Fronting him; the darts further whizzed
And smote warring elephants and angry lions.
It looked as though day merged with night
When bright lions and black elephants
Fell side by side by his ceaseless arrows.   

Arunachala Siva.

12434
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 26, 2016, 08:25:40 AM »
Verse  81:


பின்மறவர்கள் விடுபகழிகள் 
   பிறகுறவயி றிடைபோய்
முன்னடுமுக மிசையுறுவிட 
   முடுகியவிசை யுடனக்
கொன்முனையடு சரமினமெதிர்
   குறுகியமுக முருவத்
தன்னெதிரெதிர் பொருவனநிகர்
    தலையனபல கலைகள்.


The arrows of heroes that plied their darts
From behind the stags, pierced through them
From behind and passed out through their heads
And again whizzed piercing through the heads
Of stags that came running from the opposite direction.
It looked like a fight between opposing stags.   

Arunachala Siva.

12435
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 26, 2016, 06:58:31 AM »




How can a Brahma Jnani without thoughts, write a book or engage in activities?

When I said Jnani is like Nature, doing certain thing without the
implements/gadgets i..e the thinking process of a mind, people
said when so many things could happen naturally like a water
spring in the Hill or a cavity on earth, due earthquake, thinking
can also happen naturally.  If that be so, then Bhagavan Ramana
should have said about "natural thinking without the instrument
of mind", somewhere in the Conversations / Talks compiled by
devotees.  But no such reply has been found anywhere.

I think, Ribhu Gita, comes here with the answer.  The Chapter
26 Verse 25 (Tr. in English free verse by Dr.H. Ramamoorthy
and Nome) runs like this:

That which by knowing firmly as oneself
One has no need to anything else in the least,
By knowing which with full conviction as oneself
All is known for ever.
And by knowing which as oneself in complete certitude
All actions are accomplished in their entirety --
Ever abide in Bliss, without a trace of a concept (sankalpa)
In That itself as That itself.

Incidentally Sri Lingeshwara Rao's Sanskrit-English version,
does not have this!  Everything is Ramana maya.

Arunachala Siva.   

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