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12391
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 06, 2015, 11:07:38 AM »
The answer continues...

Having answered the question regarding the Pramanas about the Atman, let us go back to the
real subject -- the witness-hood of the Atman in all the three states.

We have mentioned the example of an all renouncing Sannyasin who cannot be affected, i.e.
will not be moved, by the mental agitations, the physical activities induced by these agitations,
and by their virtuous and vicious acts.  In the same way the Atman is only a witness or unconcerned
seer of all the three states and all the occurrences and virtues and vices observable in these states.
The fortunate one who realizes himself through the Sruti to be one who realizes himself through
the Sruti to be one with the Atman who is only the pure Consciousness, the unconcerned and
unaffected witness of the states is the Jivan Mukta.  So you, the earnest inquirer about the Truth,
must have full faith in the Vedanta texts (which is the essence of the Sruti) and try to realize the
Atman whom this scriptural text describes as the witness of the three states.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.             

12392
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 06, 2015, 10:57:19 AM »
The answer continues....


Aksha in the word Pratyaksha means the sense orifice.  The knowledge that is got through the senses
is known as Pratyaksha.   The knowledge gained, of the existence of invisible fire from the smoke seen on
a hill, through a middle term, is Anumana. The knowledge got through the resemblance of an unknown
object through the resemblance of an unknown object to a thing known to us is Upamana.  To presume
a certain thing even without any of the above to explain something is Arthapatti.  For example, we find
a man is not eating or drinking during the day.  Still we find him fat and healthy.  As an explanation of
this unseen and uninferred phenomenon, we have to presume that he is eating at night. Such a way
of knowing is Arthapatti.  Sabda is what is testified by an Apta or one who has realized the truth, and is
therefore truthful and can be accepted without questioning on matters that cannot be known by any of the         
above mentioned ways of knowing. The Atman cannot be known by Pratyaksha.  As the Atman is
without parts and is all fullness (Purna), it cannot be a subject of Anumana.  As the Atman is one without
a second, it cannot be understood through Upamana.  So in regard to Atma, Sabda alone is the way
of knowing it.  Sabda is the word of Aptas.  Of all the Aptas, only God is all knowing. What is called
Sabda is the very word or revelation of God.  This Sruti is he one and only unfailing authority on the
Atman,

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.       

12393
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 06, 2015, 10:42:17 AM »
What is the Pramana (authority) for this?

There are four criteria of knowledge:  sense perception (Pratyaksha), inference (Anumana),
analogy (Upamana) and scriptural authority (Sabda).

Besides these, there are also the criteria of knowledge called Presumption (Arthapatti), Probabilty
(Sambhva), tradition (Aitihya), and rarity (Anupalabdhi).  Some think that the last mentioned
four are included in the first mentioned four.  Some Vedantins think that there are six criteria.  Their
characteristics require very wide and elaborate description.  We shall therefore confine ourselves
to those that are necessary for our purpose.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.   
   
       

12394
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 09:29:32 AM »
70.


தகுமகட் பேசினோன் வீயவே
    நூல்போன சங்கிலிபால்
புகுமணக் காதலி னாலொற்றி
    யூருறை புண்ணியன்தன்
மிகுமலர்ப் பாதம் பணிந்தரு
    ளாலிவ் வியனுலகம்
நகும்வழக் கேநன்மை யாப்புணர்ந்
    தான்நாவ லூரரசே. (70)



Sundaramoorthy Naayanar

When the one betrothed to Sangiliyaar
Died, she all sad began offering
Flowers to Lord Otriyoor; and lived
Apart in a virgin ? dwelling. Aaroorar
Seeing her, with the grace of Lord
Weal her ? this is to be smiled away said Nampiyaantaar Nambi.

Arunachala Siva.


12395
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 09:27:18 AM »
69.


பெற்ற முயர்த்தோன் விரையாக்
    கலிபிழைத் தோர்தமது
சுற்ற மறுக்குந் தொழில்திரு
    நாட்டியத் தான்குடிக்கோன்
குற்ற மறுக்கும்நங் கோட்புலி
    நாவற் குரிசிலருள்
பெற்ற வருட்கட் லென்றுல
    கேத்தும் பெருந்தகையே. (69)



Kotpuli Naayanaar

Kotpuli of Naattiyattankudi
Killed all the kin and the caviler
That called Tiruvirayaakkali
As the supreme tauromorph,
For the loved Lord?s Taurus and bhakti
Banned the baleful badinage.

Arunachala Siva.

12396
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 09:25:07 AM »
68.


செருவிலி புத்தூர்ப் புகழ்த்துணை
    வையம் சிறுவிலைத்தா
வுருவலி கெட்டுண வின்றி
    யுமைகோனை மஞ்சனஞ்செய்
தருவதோர் போதுகை சோர்ந்து
    கலசம் விழத்தரியா
தருவரை வில்லி யருளும்
    நிதியது பெற்றனனே. (68)


Pukazhtunai Naayanar

Pukazhtunai of Seruviliputtur in days
Of famine, without lapse, performed
Abhishekas to lord, the spouse of Uma. Once
He fell with the pitcher on the lord and fell
At His feet. From then on, he was kept
Close to Him abiding in such abidance.


Arunachala Siva.

12397
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 09:22:45 AM »
67.


கழிநீள் கடல்நஞ் சயின்றார்க்
    கிருந்த கடிமலரை
மொழிநீள் புகழ்க்கழற் சிங்கன்தன்
    தேவிமுன் மோத்தலுமே
எழில்நீள் குமிழ்மலர் மூக்கரிந்
    தானென் றியம்புவரால்
செழுநீர் மருகல்நன் னாட்டமர்
    தஞ்சைச் செருத்துணையே. (67)


Ceruttunai Naayanaar

Ceruttunai of Thanchai, chopped off
The nose of Kazharcingar?s wife
Who smelt the flower ? offering sent
To lord, exclusively, who ate
The vast ? main ? welling, venom
Of Haalahaalam and saved the worlds.


Arunachala Siva.

12398
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 09:19:52 AM »
66.


சிங்கத் துருவனைச் செற்றவன்
    சிற்றம் பலமுகடு
கொங்கிற் கனக மணிந்தவா
    தித்தன் குலமுதலோன்
திங்கட் சடையர் தமரதென்
    செல்வ மெனப்பறைபோக்
கெங்கட் கிறைவ னிருக்குவே
    ளூர்மன் இடங்கழியே. (66)



Itamkazhi Naayanaar

The king of Itamkazhi indeed
Announced the opulence of the Lord
With the moon on His matted locks
That destroyed the Lion - Man form of Maal,
That in the spatium of conscious, canopied
With gold  of Solar Race at Thillai.


Arunachala Siva.

12399
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 08:45:59 AM »
65.



மாதவத் தோர்தங்கள் வைப்பினுக்
    காரூர் மணிக்குவைத்த
போதினைத் தான்மோந்த தேவிதன்
    மூக்கை யரியப்பொற்கை
காதிவைத் தன்றோ வரிவதென்
    றாங்கவள் கைதடிந்தான்
நாதமொய்த் தார்வண்டு கிண்டுபைங்
    கோதைக் கழற்சிங்கனே. (65)



Kazharcingar Naayanaar

When Ceruttunai chopped off the nose
Of the queen that smelt the dropped flower
As flowers were taken to lord of Aaroor
Who ever gave all sought after, Kazhar singer,
Thought it not enough. He with his
Sword cut the arm of his wife, the Pallava Queen.

Arunachala Siva.

12400
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 08:43:18 AM »
64.

கொடுத்தான் முதலைகொள் பிள்ளைக்
    குயிரன்று புக்கொளியூர்த்
தொடுத்தான் மதுர கவியவி
    நாசியை வேடர்சுற்றம்
படுத்தான் திருமுரு கன்பூண்
    டியினில் பராபரத்தேன்
மடுத்தா னவனென்பர் வன்றொண்ட
    னாகின்ற மாதவனே. (64)


Sundaramoorthy Naayanaar

For the young boy eaten up by a crocodile,
He give life and recovered him at Avinaasi;
The wealth got from Seramaan was
Stolen by Bhootaganas; He appealed to lord
Of Poondi Tirumurugan and got back
The hijacked wealth. Thus by Lord?s grace did the violent devotee.

Arunachala Siva.




12401
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 08:41:23 AM »
63.


என்று விளம்புவர் நீடூ
    ரதிபன் முனையடுவோன்
என்று மமரு ளழிந்தவர்க்
    காக்கூலி யேற்றெறிந்து
வென்று பெருஞ்செல்வ மெல்லாங்
    கனகநன் மேருவென்னுங்
குன்று வளைத்த சிலையான்
    தமர்க்குக் கொடுத்தனனே. (63)



Munaiyaatuvaar

Munaiyaatuvam of Neetur helped
Those that suffered defeat in war ? fronts
And made them win again. The wealth
He got there of He gave away to servitor
Of the Lord who arched the Meru
Into a bow and thus lived abidingly.

Arunachala Siva.

12402
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 08:39:10 AM »
62.


மாறா வருளரன் தன்னை
    மனவா லயத்திருத்தி
ஆறா வறிவா மொளி விளக்
    கேற்றி யகமலர்வாம்
வீறா மலரளித் தன்பெனும்
    மெய்யமிர் தங்கொடுத்தான்
வீறார் மயிலையுள் வாயிலா
    னென்று விளம்புவரே.  (62)


Vaayilaar Naayanar

Vaayilaar of Mayilai, with changeless grace,
In the temple of his Manam, shrined
The lord in; lit the lamp of love sate less
In delight dipped, he performed Abhisheka
His love for servitors is the food he offered
To lord as ?Nivedhanam? offering.

Arunachala Siva.

12403
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 06, 2015, 08:36:20 AM »
61.

கார்த்தண் முகிற்கைக் கடற்காழி
    யர்பெரு மாற்கெதிராய்
ஆர்த்த வமண ரழிந்தது
    கண்டுமற் றாங்கவரைக்
கூர்த்த கழுவின் நுதிவைத்த
    பஞ்சவ னென்றுரைக்கும்
வார்த்தை யதுபண்டு நெல்வேலி
    யில்வென்ற மாறனுக்கே. (61)


Nedumaara Naayanaar

Maaran at Nelveli fought out the northern
Kings that or sailed for Samana?s farce,
Who were sent to gallows by
Sambandhar of cool, dark cloud sea ? girt ? kaazhi*,
And flew them all with the grace
Of lord abounding by.

(*Sirkazhi)

Arunachala Siva.


12404
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 06, 2015, 07:09:54 AM »



One needs outside help, till we understand and arrive at that state of non-dualism.
It starts from the womb.  Suppose mother denies that the food she eats should not go to the
child in the womb and the child should take care of its problem, can the child survive?
Can you cure your stomach pain or cataract in the eye by meditating within?  Don't you need a
doctor outside?  This outside help from God or Guru is called Grace. With people
in the world it is called love or compassion.

There is a story about Ribhu Gita, Tamizh translation, by Ulaganatha Swamigal, [Bhikshu Sastrigal].
He completed Ribhu Gita, with no invocation song on God, no mention about God throughout the book!  Nataraja wanted to teach him a lesson.  As soon as he completed the book, he became blind.
He suffered for a while.  Then slowly he started praying to Nataraja of Chidambaram. Nataraja
appeared in his dream, and told him:  Have you become that great to write a book
without seeking Vinayaka's help and my grace?  Include an invocation song and also as a
punishment, you add a song on me, at the end of each chapter of Ribhu Gita.  Ulaganatha Swamigal
dictated these songs and asked his disciple to write them out at the end of each chapter and
then submitted the entire work to Siva Nataraja of Chidambaram and prayed.  He got back his eye sight!
This is mentioned graphically in Sri Ramansramam's book and also in the wonderful English verse
translation by Dr. H. Ramamoorthy and Nome by Society for Abidance in Truth, SAT, California. 

Arunachala Siva. 

12405
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 06, 2015, 07:05:38 AM »


Nikeshepam or Treasure in the treasure of a Jnani, his
Brama Jnana.  This has to be transmitted to the disciple,
who has got faith and conviction in him.  Without this
transmission of Guru, one cannot have atmajnana by one's
own efforts unless he passes through several births, vide
the starting verses of Viveka Choodamani.

Arunachala Siva.


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