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When Bhagavan Ramana was in His last days on this earth [ He had pain, which should have been
unbearable for anyone else], the attendants asked Him:  "Bhagavan!  Is it paining too much?"
Bhagavan Ramana said:  "Yes, the body is paining!"  He was not the body or the mind.

Arunachala Siva.

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General Discussion / Atyashrama - John Grimes:
« on: January 25, 2016, 11:54:01 AM »
(The article appeared in Oct.-Dec. 2015 issue of Mountain Path)

*

Bhagavan Krishna said, 'There was never a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor any of these kings.
Just as the dweller in this body passes through childhood, youth, and old age, so at the death he merely
passes into another kind of body.'  (Ch.2.12-13). Bodies pass through stages but the question is, 'Are
you the body?'  In addition, there is no restrictive rule that one must pass through all stages of life,
performing the duties incumbent on them or renounce all duties in order to know who they really are.

Strange is it not that upon birth virtually every human being accepts as true, as valid, the data that their
sense organs and mind perceive.  Even when informed that the sense organs are extremely limited in
their abilities, there are a few who inquire into this situation.  Humans have colored rods and cones in their
eyes. Thus the world full of color appears. Ears hear within a limited range,etc., Who stops to wonder what is
really 'out there'?  What would be the data appear as, if humans had infra red or ultra violet rods and cones
instead of their limited frequency range?  Why do so few inquire into the seer?  Who am I really?

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

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The Biblical Job, when faced with the questions of cosmic justice and fate, got no answer except to
bow down in silence before the terrible mystery and the universe and the inscrutable God.

When Jesus was asked why a man was born blind, whether it was due to his karma or his parents' sin,
Jesus answered, 'Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but this happened so that the works of
God might be displayed in him.  (John Ch 9)

contd.,

Arunachala Siva. 

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General Discussion / Re: Adhisthana - John Grimes:
« on: January 25, 2016, 11:26:43 AM »
"For instance you see a reflection in the mirror and the mirror.  You know the mirror to be the reality
and the picture in it a mere reflection.  Is it necessary that to see the mirror we should cease to see
the reflection in it?  Or again take the screen illustration.  There is a screen.  On that screen first a picture
appears. Before that figure on the same screen other pictures appear and the first figure goes on watching
the other pictures.  If you are the screen and know yourself to be screen, is it necessary not to see the first
figure and the subsequent pictures? When you don't know the screen you think the figure and pictures to be
real.  But when you know the screen and realize it is the only reality on which as substratum the shadows of the figure and pictures have been cast, you know these to be mere shadows. You may see the shadows, knowing them to be such and knowing yourself to be the screen that is the basis for them all."  (Day by Day 6.3.1946 afternoon.)

In talking about how the sage sees the illusory world (mithya) as Real (satyam).  Bhagavan explains,
'He who sees the Self, sees only the Self in the world also.  To the Jnani it is immaterial whether the world
appears or not.  Whether it appears or not, his attention is always on the Self.  It is like letters and the paper
on which the letters are printed.  You are wholly engrossed with the letters and have no attention left on
the paper.  But the Jnani thinks only of the paper as the real substratum, whether the letters appear on it
or not.'  (Day by Day 12.9.1946)

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.             

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General topics / Re: The Bliss of No Want - Vasko Kohlmayer:
« on: January 25, 2016, 10:16:44 AM »
But even though we may see this truth intellectually, our conditioning and habitual ways of thinking
make it difficult to firmly integrate this insight into the fabric of our being. Deep inside we still tend to
harbor desire of one kind or another thinking that its fulfillment will finally bring happiness we seek.
Despite repeated disappointment, the human mind seems to be constitutionally unable to fully grasp
the futile nature of such wanting.

There is good reason to believe that human effort can only go so far and that in most cases divine
assistance is required to make that last step.  (The expression 'last leap' is used to as a concession
to the way things appear to the mind.  It has been said many times by sages that divine assistance
is required at every step that a human being takes along the path of liberation.)   Many people have
testified that it was an infusion of grace that provided that final push by presenting before their eyes
and hearts the reality of their condition.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

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General topics / Re: The Finger Pointing to the Moon:
« on: January 25, 2016, 10:07:14 AM »
We cannot get knowledge about the Self through thought unless we have already experienced the Self,
just like unless we have already experienced greenness through our sense of sight,  any words that
'Leaves are green' will be meaningless to us.  Hence, one cannot arrive at the truth through thinking,
though thoughts can point to the truth. Thinking can proceed only with words, and words stand only
as symbols for actual entities, and knowledge of entities is only through experience and not through words.

Words are only symbols for entities and their properties, just like a map of Delhi is for Delhi.  That is
why thinking cannot give us knowledge about the Self or Brahman.  Or in another words, mind which
subsists on thoughts, cannot understand Brahman. That is the assertion of Kena Upanishad quoted
in the beginning.

concluded.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Verse 142:

The sun creates the cloud,  and then cloud hides the sun;  so egotism takes the rise from the Atman
and then veils it.

Verse 143:

And as in the day, when the clouds hide the sun and it becomes dark, there comes a heavy cold wind and
makes it worse, so the fool who is covered with tamas, this scattering quality, rajas, becomes the cause of
various sufferings.

Verse 144:

With these two forces, rajas and tamas, comes bondage to the individual, deluded by which (thinking this
body to be the Self) the fool wanders.

The tree of samsara:

Verse 145:

Taking this world as a tree, the seed of this tree of the world is tamas.  The idea of the Self as the body
is the sprout of that tree; attachment is the twig; and the actions the water; the pranas (body) the trunk;
the different senses are the different branches; the objects of the senses are the flowers; pain is the fruit;
and the human soul is the bird that lives on this tree and eats the fruits of various sufferings from different
kinds of actions.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:43:25 AM »
Verse 41:


கண்டனர் கைக ளாரத்
   தொழுதனர் கலந்த காதல்
அண்டரும் ஏத்தி னார்கள்
   அன்பர்தம் பெருமை நோக்கி
விண்டரும் பொலிவு காட்டி
   விடையின்மேல் வருவார் தம்மைத்
தொண்டரும் மனைவி யாருந்
   தொழுதுடன் போற்றி நின்றார்.



They beheld Him and with folded hands adored Him;
The celestial beings too that witnessed the glory of the couple,
Hailed them in love; with his wife the devotee
Praised and adored Him who was enthroned on the Bull
In the splendorous expanse of ether.

Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:41:08 AM »
Verse  40:


அந்நிலை யவரைக் காணும்
   அதிசயங் கண்டா ரெல்லாம்
முன்னிலை நின்ற வேத
   முதல்வரைக் கண்டா ரில்லை
இந்நிலை இருந்த வண்ணம்
   என்னென மருண்டு நின்றார்
துன்னிய விசும்பி னூடு
   துணையுடன் விடைமேற் கண்டார்.



As in that wondrous state they eyed the couple,
They beheld not Him -- the Author of the Vedas --,
That stood erstwhile before them. ?What may this be??
They marveled and were struck with mystery.
Then they beheld Him and His Consort
In the sky expanse, on their Mount, the Bull.

Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:38:58 AM »
Verse 39:


வாவியின் மூழ்கி ஏறுங்
    கணவரும் மனைவி யாரும்
மேவிய மூப்பு நீங்கி
   விருப்புறும் இளமை பெற்றுத்
தேவரும் முனிவர் தாமுஞ்
   சிறப்பொடு பொழியுந் தெய்வப்
பூவின்மா மழையின் மீள
   மூழ்குவார் போன்று தோன்ற.



As the couple emerged after their immersion
And moved to the bank, lo, they stood transformed;
Gone was their old age; they looked lovely and young;
Celestial beings and munis rained on them the flowers
Of Karpaka and it looked as though they were having
A second immersion, this time, into flowers.

Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:36:49 AM »
Verse 38:


தண்டிரு தலையும் பற்றிப்
   புகுமவர் தம்மை நோக்கி
வெண்டிரு நீற்று முண்ட
   வேதியர் மாதைத் தீண்டிக்
கொண்டுடன் மூழ்கீ ரென்னக்
   கூடாமை பாரோர் கேட்கப்
பண்டுதஞ் செய்கை சொல்லி
   மூழ்கினார் பழுதி லாதார்.



When, holding the staff, they stepped into the tank,
The Brahmin -- the wearer of the white triple stripes
Of the holy ash, addressed him thus:
"Hold your wife by hand and do the immersion."
Then to the hearing of all, expressing his inability,
He, the one flawless, narrated all the past happenings
And then into the water immersed.

Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:34:05 AM »
Verse 37:


மனைவியார் தம்மைக் கொண்டு
    மறைச்சிவ யோகி யார்முன்
சினவிடைப் பாகர் மேவுந்
   திருப்புலீச் சுரத்து முன்னர்
நனைமலர்ச் சோலை வாவி
   நண்ணித்தம் உண்மை காப்பார்
புனைமணி வேணுத் தண்டின்
    இருதலை பிடித்துப் புக்கார்.



He took his wife with him: to take the oath
Before the Brahmin -- the Siva-yogi --, he came
To the tank girt with flowery and honey-laden garden
Fronting the temple  Tiru-p-Pulicchuram;
He and his wife, each holding the one end
Of a beauteous bamboo-staff descended into the tank.   

Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:31:35 AM »
Verse  36:



அருந்தவத் தொண்டர் தாமும்
   அந்தணர் மொழியக் கேட்டுத்
திருந்திய மனைவி யாரைத்
    தீண்டாமை செப்ப மாட்டார்
பொருந்திய வகையான் மூழ்கித்
   தருகின்றேன் போது மென்று
பெருந்தவ முனிவ ரோடும்
   பெயர்ந்துதம் மனையைச் சார்ந்தார்.

When the great devotee of tapas heard the Brahmins
Pass thus the verdict, he would not disclose
His incapacity to touch his wife; he but said:
"I'll perform the immersion in a fitting manner."
He beseeched the great muni of tapas to go with him,
And then homeward plied his steps.

Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:29:16 AM »
Verse  35:


திருவுடை யந்த ணாளர்
   செப்புவார் திகழ்ந்த நீற்றின்
உருவுடை யிவர்தாம் வைத்த
   வோட்டினைக் கெடுத்தீ ரானால்
தருமிவர் குளத்தின் மூழ்கித்
    தருகவென் றுரைத்தா ராகில்
மருவிய மனைவி யோடு
   மூழ்குதல் வழக்கே யென்றார்.



The Brahmins announced their verdict thus:
"If you had truly lost the bowl of this person
Who glows with the stripes of the holy ash,
And if this giver thereof bids you take an immersion
You are bound to do it with your loving wife."

Arunachala Siva.

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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:26:42 AM »
Verse 34:


நீணிதியாம் இதுவென்று
   நின்றவிவர் தருமோடு
பேணிநான் வைத்தவிடம்
   பெயர்ந்துகரந் ததுகாணேன்
பூணணிநூன் மணிமார்பீர்
   புகுந்தபரி சிதுவென்று
சேணிடையுந் தீங்கடையாத்
   திருத்தொண்டர் உரைசெய்தார்.

"O ye Brahmins whose chests are decked with
Sacred threads! He who is here gave to my keeping
A bowl, and said that its worth was immense;
I kept it guarded; I know not how it vanished.
It has happened thus." So spake the divine devotee
Who is not to be touched by evil, even distantly.

Arunachala Siva.


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