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11686
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: October 27, 2015, 09:02:28 AM »
Tiru Maligai Tevar:

4. On Chidambaram:


இணங்கிலா ஈசன் நேசத்
    திருந்தசித் தத்தி னேற்கு
மணங்கொள்சீர்த் தில்லை வாணன்
    மணவடி யார்கள் வண்மைக்
குணங்களைக் கூறா வீறில்
    கோறைவாய்ப் பீறற் பிண்டப்
பிணங்களைக் காணா கண் வாய்
    பேசாதப் பேய்க ளோடே. (1)


For my heart is firm-poised in love of Lord nonpareil,
Mine eyes see not the nine-hole`d dead weights;
Ears turn deaf to the cavil of the pusillanimous
Who praise not the famed Thillai-Lord of Quintessential Grace;
Seldom my tongue addresses the negating ghosts
That chatter in contra against the greats who affirm the in-dweller!

Arunachala Siva.

11687
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: October 27, 2015, 08:58:50 AM »
Tirumaligai Tevsr:


3. On Chidambaram:


உறவா கியயோ கமும்போ கமுமாய்
    உயிராளீ என்னும்என் பொன்ஒருநாள்
சிறவா தவர்புரஞ் செற்ற கொற்றச்
    சிலைகொண்டு பன்றிப்பின் சென்றுநின்ற
மறவா என் னும் மணி நீரருவி
    மகேந்திர மாமலை மேல்உறையும்
குறவா என் னும் குணக் குன்றே என்னும்
    குலாத்தில்லை யம்பலக் கூத்தனையே. (3)

My daughter of divine beauty like Dame weal
Hails our Lord, Dancer wonderful at glowing
Thillai`s spatium : O! Taker of Beings! Giver of Release!
Bestower of Bliss! Valiant war-man! Boar chaser!
Wielding the bow of triumph that down`d the citadels
Of hostile demons in times of yore! Willing dweller
On Mahendra Mount draped with falls crystal clear!
Lord of Kurinchi, lofty in virtue-Thus she cries His praise in shouts of love.


Arunachala Siva.

11688
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: October 27, 2015, 08:54:32 AM »
9th Tirumurai - Tiru Maligai Tevar:

2. On Chidambaram:


உயர்கொடி யாடை மிடைபட லத்தின்
    ஓமதூ மப்பட லத்தின்
பியர்நெடு மாடத் தகிற்புகைப் படலம்
    பெருகிய பெரும்பற்றப் புலியூர்
சியரொளி மணிகள் நிரந்துசேர் கனகம்
    நிறைந்தசிற் றம்பலக் கூத்தா
மயரறும் அமரர் மகுடந்தோய் மலர்ச்சே
    வடிகள் என் மனத்துவைத் தருளே. (1)


உயர்ந்த துணிகளாலாகிய கொடிகளின் தொகுதி களின்மேல், வேள்வியில் எழுந்த புகைப் படலமும், அதன் மீது பெரிய மாடவீடுகளிலிருந்து வெளிவரும் அகிற்புகைப்படலமும் மிகுதியாகக் காணப்படும் பெரும்பற்றப் புலியூரில், மேம்பட்ட ஒளியை உடைய மணிகள் வரிசையாகப் பதிக்கப்பெற்ற தங்கம் நிறைந்திருக்கும் சிற்றம் பலத்தில் கூத்து நிகழ்த்தும் பெருமானே! அஞ்ஞானமாகிய மயக்கம் நீங்கிய தேவர்களின் முடிகள் தங்கப் பெறும் தாமரைப் பூப்போன்ற உன் சிவந்த திருவடிகளை அடியேனுடைய உள்ளத்தில் நீ வைத்தருளு வாயாக.

Arunachala Siva.

11689
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: October 27, 2015, 08:49:06 AM »
The 9th TirumuRai has got 301 verses written by 9 devotee-poets.

The first one is by Tirumaaligai Tevar. This is called Tiru Isaippaa.

This is on Chidambaram (Koil) and has got 4 sets of poems.

First One:

ஒளிவளர் விளக்கே உலப்பிலா ஒன்றே
    உணர்வுசூழ் கடந்ததோர் உணர்வே
தெளிவளர் பளிங்கின் திரள்மணிக் குன்றே
    சித்தத்துள் தித்திக்குந் தேனே
அளிவளர் உள்ளத் தானந்தக் கனியே
    அம்பலம் ஆடரங் காக
வெளிவளர் தெய்வக் கூத்துகந் தாயைத்
    தொண்டனேன் விளம்புமா விளம்பே. (1)

O! Lamp of accrescent light! Fade-less nonpareil God!
Feel of gnosis beyond the being`s know-how!
Heap of a Hill of pure crystal growth!
Honey welling within heart!
Fruit of Bliss in gifted hearts!
Upon Auric-spatium-dais, willing Dancer divine
Discernible to servitor`s eye. May you will so
I, your servant one may praise your will ever.

Arunachala Siva.

11690
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 27, 2015, 08:40:06 AM »

Who am I?

First, what is this 'I' in the question?  For people who think that I is the body or the mind or ego,
then they have to ask this question again and again and contemplate on the deep sleep state.
Who is sleeping?  If it is the body, then are you aware of that body in sleep?  No. Are you the mind? 
If it is the mind, it works only in wakeful and dream states.  But in deep sleep, it is in suspended
animation.  Are you aware of that mind in sleep?  No.  So, you are not the mind either.

Now, start reading Who am I?  Read it again and again everyday at a fixed hour or even when
you are otherwise free. Read preferably the Question and Answer version.  Most of us, will
understand it in a first few readings.  But is it the intellectual understanding, that is needed for
Self realization?  No, definitely not.  The intellectual understanding is only to negate the (neti-neti)
non-Self aspects. The five kosas, or sheaths, the mind, the ego, the mindstuff, the intellect and
even the hidden tendencies, or vasanas.

To every question of Who am I?, read the answer given by Bhagavan Ramana to M.Sivaprakasam Pillai.
And then, answer it yourself.

Are you getting the same answers?  Then proceed.  In case you forget to put into use the answers,
then start all over again. Contemplate these answers vigorously and many many times.....

I have done this.  It has worked for me.  I am sure it will work for every one else too.  The only key
point is, have faith in Bhagavan Ramana's words.  Do not try to find from books what Sri Sankara or
Sri Ramanuja have told.  This faith is paramount.

Arunachala Siva. 

11691
Arunachala Pancharatnam:  Verse 2:

In the verse, the form of Supreme Self is denoted with reference to the world.  To denote the
distinctness of the world, the word Jagat has not been used.  It has been simply pointed out as 'all
this' and the qualities of a picture are imposed on it.  Therefore, it is clear that the picture of the
Jagat cannot be held without the canvas of the Supreme Self, here Arunachala.  It is in
Arunachala that the world appears, stays and dissolves.  Arunachala is not in the world.  It is in the mind.  The mind is compressed body! So, the mind is in the Self.  Body is also in the Self.  The world
is also in the Self.  All are in the Self.  Nothing is outside the Self.  Therefore, the Self or Brahman or Arunachala, is the One without a second.  Arunachala is the advaitic principle.

The whole picture, is not only a picture, Chitram, but also a Chitram, a great Wonder.  Moving
and unmoving are both contradictory like darkness and light.  Even then, it is seen that by a special
force, which excels in making the impossible happen, out of the Self or Arunachala, all these rise and set.
To denote that there is no material cause other than Arunachala or the Self, for the
picture of the universe, Twai, in Thee, the locative is used.

Even though Arunachala's status acts as a basis and support for the picture of the multitudes of universe, Arunachala, is the instrumental cause for all that and Arunachala shines within everything.  This is explained in the second half of the verse.

How can unmoving, dance?  Do not ask such questions.  Once a devotee asked Sri Ramakrishna:
What is God now doing? Sri Ramakrishna answered:  He is busy pushing a camel into the needle's eye.  Nothing is impossible for the Self or the God or Arunachala or Brahman.  He is Rachitala Tandava..
The One who moves not and also dances!  He is infinite.  In Infinity, impossible becomes possible.  Mathematics says:  That two parallel lines meet at infinity.  The Mathematics does not say, that the two
parallel lines shall never meet!  It will meet at Infinity.  This Infinite Principle is Godhead or Brahman.
There is one holy name under 108 Holy Names of Bhagavan Ramana.  Om Rachitala
Tandavaya Namah.  Salutations to the One who is unmoving and dances!

Arunachala Siva.

11692
Verse 115 of Ozhivil Odukkam:

If someone tells you to abide as Sivam, you torment yourself thinking, 'I am that Siva', thus falling
from that very state. This is like the story of the man who, on being told not to think of a monkey,
was unable to stop thinking about it.  Is this not the work of the ego, anava malam? (115)'


Sri Ramana Maharshi also alludes to the story of the man who is told not to think of a monkey, supposedly
saying that it is mentioned by Tayumanavar.

Devotee:  When we attempt to cease from activity the very attempt is action.  So activity seems to be inevitable.

Maharshi:  True. Tayumanavar has also alluded to it.  A doctor advises a patient to take the prescribed medicine with only one condition.  That  condition is not think of a monkey with only one condition.  That condition is not to think of a monkey when he takes the medicine.  Can the patient ever take the medicine?
Will he not think of the monkey whenever he tries not to do so?  So also, when people try to give up thoughts their object is frustrated  by their very attempt. (Talks.No. 601)

Translator's   Note: The attribution by Sri Ramana of this anecdote to Tayumanavar is probably due to an
error on the part of the recorder, as no such anecdote appears in the known works of Tayumanavar and
Sri Ramana Himself  is not likely to have made such a misattribution.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

11693
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Saint Thayumanavar
« on: October 26, 2015, 12:18:42 PM »
45.9.19:


நினைப்பும் மறப்பும்அற நின்றபரஞ் சோதி
தனைப்புலமா என்னறிவிற் சந்திப்ப தெந்நாளோ. 19.


When is the day to be
That I meet in my awareness
The One that is Supreme Awareness,
The Light Divine that knows
Neither remembering nor forgetting?

Arunachala Siva.

11694
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Saint Thayumanavar
« on: October 26, 2015, 12:16:30 PM »
45.9.18:

பெண்ணாண் அலியெனவும் பேசாமல் என்அறிவின்
கண்ணூடே நின்றஒன்றைக் காணுநாள் எந்நாளோ. 18.

When is the day to be
That I see in my mind's eye
The One that is
Neither male, not female, nor hermaphrodite?

Arunachala Siva.


11695
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Saint Thayumanavar
« on: October 26, 2015, 12:12:00 PM »
45. 9.17:


எவ்வாறிங் குற்றுணர்ந்தார் யாவர் அவர்தமக்கே
அவ்வாறாய் நின்றபொருட் கன்புவைப்ப தெந்நாளோ. 17.

When is the day to be
I love the Being
Who stands as That
Which each intense seeker conceives?


Arunachala Siva.


11696
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Saint Thayumanavar
« on: October 26, 2015, 12:10:12 PM »
45.9.16:


எந்தச் சமயம் இசைந்தும்அறி வூடறிவாய்
வந்தபொரு ளேபொருளா வாஞ்சிப்ப தெந்நாளோ. 16.


When is the day to be
I love as Reality,
The Being that came
As Knowledge within knowledge,
Accepting faiths all?

Arunachala Siva.

11697
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Saint Thayumanavar
« on: October 26, 2015, 12:08:04 PM »
45.9.15:


ஒன்றனையுங் காட்டா உளத்திருளைச் சூறையிட்டு
நின்றபரஞ் சோதியுடன் நிற்குநாள் எந்நாளோ. 15.


When is the day to be
I stand one with the Divine Light,
Which robbed me of my heart's darkness,
That had revealed nothing.

Arunachala Siva.


11698
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Saint Thayumanavar
« on: October 26, 2015, 12:05:35 PM »
Verse 45.9.14:


அடிமுடிகாட் டாதசுத்த அம்பரமாஞ் சோதிக்
கடுவெளிவந் தென்னைக் கலக்குநாள் எந்நாளோ. 14.



When is the day to be
That I reach the Being Unique,
Who is uninterrupted continuity
And pervasive Bliss.

Arunachala Siva.

11699
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Saint Thayumanavar
« on: October 26, 2015, 12:03:05 PM »
45.9.12:


சத்தொடுசித் தாகித் தயங்கியஆ னந்தபரி
சுத்த அகண்டசிவந் தோன்றுநாள் எந்நாளோ. 12.

When is the day to be
That Siva, Who is Pure, Pervasive and Bliss
Appears before me,
He Who is Sat (Real) and Cit (Knowledge).

Arunachala Siva.

11700
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Saint Thayumanavar
« on: October 26, 2015, 11:59:48 AM »
45.9.13:


எங்கெங்கும் பார்த்தாலும் இன்புருவாய் நீக்கமின்றித்
தங்குந் தனிப்பொருளைச் சாருநாள் எந்நாளோ. 13.



When is the day to be
That the Absolute Void in me merges,
The Void that has neither beginning nor end,
That is Pure, Space and Light.


Arunachala Siva.

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