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11656
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:48:22 PM »
But is it not a fact that there are learned scholars who consider the Atman to be distinct from their
bodies and the body itself an unconscious entity like a wall or a pot? Then how do you say that
no one knows the Atman?

Even such learned men  do not know the metaphysically real Atman. What they denote as the
Atman  is the jivatman who is only a reflection of the metaphysically real Atman and who is relevant
only in the practical world.  It is only this Jivatman that considers himself finite and as the doer
and enjoyer of actions and for this reason transmigrates in this cycle of births and deaths. 
But the metaphysically true Atman  is without any limitation of Upadhis, and is not an actor or an
enjoyer, is changeless and is of the nature of pure Sat, Chit, and Ananda.  None of these scholars
you have in mind know this metaphysically real Atman.

contd.,


Arunachala Siva. 

11657
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:40:30 PM »
Why does this discrimination overpower us?

Ignorance has, from time without beginning, hidden the Atman, whose nature is not pure
Consciousness. Only the realization of the Atman can remove this covering caused by this
covering power by ignorance.  Indiscrimination, is caused by this covering power of ignorance.
It is this ignorance that makes one say, 'I do not know 'myself'.  You may object: Who, except
a deluded person, would say this, that he does not know 'himself'? But the truth is that everybody
in this world, is deluded in this way.  It is by this false delusion, that people of the world speak
of themselves as, 'I am a Brahmana' 'I am a Kshatriya', 'I am a Vaisya', 'I am a Sudra', 'I am a
Brahmacharin', ' I am a householder', etc., having in their mind only their body-mind complex.
None of these know that the Atman is distinct from the body.  It is for this reason, that we say
that everyone in this world is under delusion.

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.         

11658
General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: November 20, 2015, 12:30:24 PM »
Answer continues....


If we think deeply and systematically about this question, we can find a solution in the following fact;
In this world combinations of various individuals into single units are treated together and these
combinations are known by single terms as in the case of army, marriage party, festival party,
assembly, etc.,  In the same way, in this world of Maya, which cannot be categorized as real or
unreal, we find combination of organs to form bodies.  We give these bodies varying names such
as Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaisya, Sudra, men, woman, eunuch, Keralite, Tamizhian, Andhra,
Dikshita, Saiva, Vaishnava, servant, master, king, minister, Guru, Sishya, etc., Though this device
may serve worldly purposes, it cannot be applied to the Atman, who is without any name, and form
in the past, present or future. The incapacity to analyze and think in this way is what is called lack of
discrimination. It is because of this lack of discrimination that people attribute to the Atman,  the 'I' -sense
regarding Varna, Ashrama etc.,

contd.,

Arunachala Siva.     
 

11659
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:44:09 AM »
21.  Para Lakshanam:


Verse 1:


அதீதத்து ளாகி அகன்றவன் நந்தி
அதீதத்து ளாகி அறிவிலன் ஆன்மா
மதிபெற் றிருள் விட்ட மன்னுயிர் ஒன்றாம்
பதியிற் பதியும் பரவுயிர் தானே. (1)


Para Jiva that Had Become Tat-Para, Jiva, Now Merges in Siva Himself

He, Nandi, is within Atita
And Beyond it;
He, Jiva that had Para-Jiva become
Is within Atita
Yet Jnana (Full) without;
The Para Jiva attaining Jnana
And rid of dark Ignorance
Will with God (Pati) One be.

Arunachala Siva.

11660
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:40:45 AM »
20.  Mup Param:  The three ways:

Verse 1:



தோன்றிஎன் னுள்ளே சுழன்றெழு கின்றதோர்
மூன்று படிமண் டலத்து முதல்வனை
ஏன்றெய்தி இன்புற் றிருந்த இளங்கொடி
நான்று நலஞ்செய் நலஞ்செயு மாறே.  (1)


Parallel Yoga Way

In the encircling Spheres Three within me,
The Primal Lord appears;
I reached Him and was in bliss immersed;
I clung to the tender vine of Kundalini Sakti
That she, Her Grace may shower.

Arunachala Siva.


11661
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:37:46 AM »
19.  Mup Padam -  The three States:

Verse 1:


தோன்றிய தொம்பதம் தற்பதம் சூழ்தர
ஏன்ற அசிபதம் இம்மூன்றோ டெய்தினோன்
ஆன்ற பராபரம் ஆகும் பிறப்பற
ஏன்றன மாறச் சிவாமாய் இருக்குமே. (1)



The Three States Lead to Siva-Becoming

Tvam-Padam, Tat-Padam and Asi-Padam
He who has these three states of liberation attained,
Has verily become Para-Para Himself;
No more birth shall be for him;
And when he departs
He shall indeed Siva be.

Arunachala Siva.


11662
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:34:54 AM »
18.  Muk KuRRam:  Three Blemishes:

Verse 1:


மூன்றுள குற்றம் முழுதும் நலிவன
மான்றிருள் தூங்கி மயங்கிக் கிடந்தன
மூன்றினை நீங்கினர் நீக்கினர் நீங்காதார்
மூன்றினுட் பட்டு முடிகின்ற வாறே.  (1)


The Truly Liberated

Three the blemishes
That harass Jiva alike,
And in darkness enveloped
He lies in stupor;
They who are from them liberated
Are the truly liberated;
Others, entangled in them,
Surely perish.

Arunachala Siva.


11663
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:32:23 AM »
17.   How to know the Feet and the Head:

Verse 1:


காலும் தலையும் அறியார் கலதிகள்
கால்அந்தச் சத்தி அருள்என்பர் காரணம்
பால்ஒன்று ஞானமே பண்பார் தலைஉயிர்
கால்அந்த ஞானத்தைக் காட்டவீ டாகுமே. (1)


Feet are Grace; Head is Jnana

Neither head nor foot they know
Miscreants they are;
The Feet the Holy say
Are the Grace of Sakti;
The Head the Holy say
Is Jnana
That with First Cause unites;
When to Jiva the Feet of Grace
Shows the Head of Jnana
Then shall Liberation be.


Arunachala Siva.


11664
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:29:21 AM »
16.  There is no difference between Pati, Pasu and Pasam:

Verse 1:


அறிவறி வென்ற அறிவும் அனாதி
அறிவுக் கறிவாம் பதியும் அனாதி
அறிவினைக் கட்டிய பாசம் அனாதி
அறிவு பதியின் பிறப்பறுந் தானே.  (1)



Pati, Pasu, and Pasam?All Three Eternal

Beginning-less is Jiva that of Knowledge speak
Beginning-less is Lord, the source of all Knowledge,
Beginning-less is Pasam, that binds knowledge
When God-Knowledge dawns,
No more will birth be.

Arunachala Siva.



11665
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:24:51 AM »
15. ARivu Udhayam -  The dawn of wisdom:

Verse 1:


தன்னை அறியத் தனக்கொரு கேடில்லை
தன்னை அறியாமல் தானே கெடுகின்றான்
தன்னை அறியும் அறிவை அறிந்தபின்
தன்னையே அற்சிக்கத் தானிருந் தானே. (1)


Importance of Self-Knowledge

With knowledge of Self
No harm there be;
Without knowledge of Self
Himself His (Jiva) harm be;
When knowledge
That knows the Self dawns,
Yourself Siva become,
Worshipped high.


Arunachala Siva.

11666
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:21:39 AM »
13. Nirmala Avastha:


Verse 1:


ஊமைக் கிணற்றகத் துள்ளே உறைவதோர்
ஆமையின் உள்ளே அழுவைகள் ஐந்துள
வாய்மையி னுள்ளே வழுவா தொடுங்குமேல்
ஆமைமென் மேலும்ஓர் ஆயிரத் தாண்டே. (1)



Merge in Silence, Senses Withdrawn

Deep in the Well of Silence (Mouna)
Is a turtle?Jiva?(with Malas Five withdrawn)
If from Truth you deviate not,
And in (It) merge entire,
You shall indeed live
A thousand years beyond the turtle.


Arunachala Siva.


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General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:16:36 AM »
12. Kevala, Sakala, and Suddha Avastha:


Verse 1:


கேவலந் தன்னில் கலவு சகலத்தின்
மேவும் செலவு விடாவிருள் நீக்கத்துப்
பாவும் தனைக்காண்டல் மூன்றும் படர்வற்ற
தீதறு சாக்கிரா தீதத்தில் சுத்தமே. (1)



Beyond Kevala, Sakala and Self-Realization States is Suddha Avasta

The Jiva in its primal condition
Is in the Kevala State;
When it mixes with Tattvas
It departs and enters the Sakala State;
Released from there,
It realizes the Self,
When it transcends all the states three,
It enters the Jagratatita State;
There it is Pure (Suddha).


Arunachala Siva.

11668
General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: November 20, 2015, 10:11:34 AM »
11. 11th Place is also an avastha:



அஞ்சில் அமுதம் ஓர் ஏழின்கண் ஆனந்தம்
முஞ்சில் ஓங்காரம்ஓர் ஒன்பான் பதினொன்றில்
வஞ்சக மேநின்று வைத்திடில் காயம் ஆம்
சிஞ்சுகச் செவ்வாய்க் கிளிமொழி கேளே.  (11)



Attainments in Higher Experience (Para Avasta)

In the Fifth State (Jiva Turiyatita) is Ambrosia;
In the Seventh State (Para Turiya-Jagrat) is Bliss;
Above in Ninth State (Para Turiya-Sushupti) is Aum;
In the Eleventh State (Siva Turiya)
Illumined the Jiva standeth;
Abiding there He the (Divine) Body, attains;
Listen damsel that is red-mouthed as parrot!
?These the attainments of the Higher States (of Jiva) are.


Arunachala Siva.

11669
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 20, 2015, 07:14:38 AM »


Bhakti gives birth to Jnana.  Bhakti is Jnana Matha.  All paths should end up in self inquiry Atma
Vichara, to merge in Atma.

Bhagavan Himself has not read much before He came to Arunachala.  This is again for helping
others and not for His sake.  He has said in Who am I?:  When the Self is within Panchakosa,
what is the use of trying to find it outside?  All scriptures say that control of  mind is the final key.
If that be so, what is the use of reading books endlessly.  One has to unlearn everything at one
point of time."  He has not discouraged devotees from reading.  He has Himself rendered in Tamizh
 prose, Viveka Choodamani. He has rendered in Tamizh verse, Sri Dakshinamoorthy Stotram.
He has also written a few original works.  He only discouraged unlimited reading.  Once Kunju
Swami wanted to go to Kovilur Math for reading the sixteen books of Vedanta, in Tamil.
Bhagavan Ramana said:  "Why should you read all those books, when you have already understood
the self inquiry which is the final key." Kunju Swami cancelled his plan.

Arunachala Siva.   

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: November 20, 2015, 07:09:30 AM »



On 2nd Jan 1946, a visitor asked whether Jnanis retire generally from active life and do not
engage in any worldly activities.

Bhagavan replied:

They may or may not.  Some, even after realizing, carry on trade and business, or rule over
a kingdom, [like Janaka]. Some retire into forest and abstain from all acts except those
absolutely necessay to keep life in the body. So, we cannot say all Jnanis give up activity and
retire from life.

Visitor further asked: I want to know if Bhagavan can give concrete examples , like the butcher Dharmavyadha  mentioned in our books, of Jnanis now living and doing their ordinary daily
work in life.

Bhagavan did not answer. {Readers can guess the purpose
of this question from the visitor}

Visitor:  Is renunciation necessary for Self Realization?

Bhagavan:  Renunciation and realization are the same. They are different aspects of the same state.
Giving up the non-self is renunciation.  Inhering in the Self is Jnana or Self Realization.  One is the
negative and the other the positive aspect of the same single truth.  Bhakti, Jnana, Yoga -- are
names for Self Realization or mukti which is our real nature.

(Source: Day by Day, Devaraja Mudaliar)

Arunachala Siva.

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