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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 26, 2016, 06:58:31 AM »

How can a Brahma Jnani without thoughts, write a book or engage in activities?

When I said Jnani is like Nature, doing certain thing without the
implements/gadgets i..e the thinking process of a mind, people
said when so many things could happen naturally like a water
spring in the Hill or a cavity on earth, due earthquake, thinking
can also happen naturally.  If that be so, then Bhagavan Ramana
should have said about "natural thinking without the instrument
of mind", somewhere in the Conversations / Talks compiled by
devotees.  But no such reply has been found anywhere.

I think, Ribhu Gita, comes here with the answer.  The Chapter
26 Verse 25 (Tr. in English free verse by Dr.H. Ramamoorthy
and Nome) runs like this:

That which by knowing firmly as oneself
One has no need to anything else in the least,
By knowing which with full conviction as oneself
All is known for ever.
And by knowing which as oneself in complete certitude
All actions are accomplished in their entirety --
Ever abide in Bliss, without a trace of a concept (sankalpa)
In That itself as That itself.

Incidentally Sri Lingeshwara Rao's Sanskrit-English version,
does not have this!  Everything is Ramana maya.

Arunachala Siva.   

Ashrams / Re: Sri Ramanasramam rooms doubt
« on: February 25, 2016, 03:45:31 PM »
Dear friend,

After the Ramana Supermarket near the Vinayakar temple, if you go inside, there is President's house.
Near the house, if you see there is a long pathway.  On the one side there are rooms and if you get
permission from the Office, they will allot the room.  I have stayed there once.

Arunachala Siva.   

(The article has appeared in Mountain Path,  January - March 2016)

The original version of this article was written at the request of Alasdair Black, the editor of the newsletter
published by the Ramana Maharshi Foundation, UK and was published in their Autumn 2013, Newsletter.


In English books on the teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana, and also among many of His devotees and
followers, a lot of mystery and confusion seems to surround the Sanskrit word ' Sphurana', so
much so that some aspirants agonize over whether or when they are going to experience the mysterious
and elusive thing that this word is imagined to denote.  In this context, therefore, the first thing that needs
to be clarified is that what we are seeking to experience when we practice Atma Vichara or self investigation
is not anything mysterious or previously unknown, but is only 'I', ourself, with which we are already
more familiar than we are with any other thing.

We already experience this 'I', of course, but what we are now trying to experience other than it, but is
just the same 'I' but with a greater degree of clarity -- in fact, with absolute clarity.  At present the clarity
with which we experience  'I' is less than perfect, because we experience it mixed with other things that
we mistake to be 'I', such as our body and mind, and hence our current experience of 'I' is confused and
clouded by our experience of those extraneous adjuncts as 'I'.  Therefore, we clearly know that I am,
we do not clearly know what I am, so Sri Bhagavan advises us to investigate and find out who or what
we actually are.

What then is the meaning of this term 'Sphurana', and why did Sri Bhagavan occasionally uses it?
Unsurprisingly, all that this word  denotes in the context in which He used it is just to clarity of self
awareness  - the very clarity that He advises us to seek.  Therefore Sphurana is not anything other
than 'I', but is only the greater degree of clarity with which we are not trying to experience 'I'.


Arunachala Siva.               

Ashrams / Re: Sri Ramanasramam rooms doubt
« on: February 25, 2016, 01:02:39 PM »
Dear Sadhak,

Yes.  But all the rooms will  be full once the winter starts.  A lot of foreign visitors would come.
Better to book for your room at least two months  before. 

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 25, 2016, 11:11:59 AM »
Today is the Eripatta Nayanar, who attained liberation today, (Masi - Hastam).  The story of
Eripatha Nayanar has already been covered in the previous round.  Members are requested to
see that story.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Fool's Gold - Editorial - Mountain Path, Jan. - Mar. 2016:
« on: February 25, 2016, 11:04:03 AM »
Fool's Gold: any yellow metal, esp. pyrite or chalcopyrite; fig. something deceptively attractive,
profitable, etc., in appearance.


Suddenly, out of a daydream we may see a possibility that seems too good to be true.  Usually it is.
We must learn not to be taken in by glitter and we must recognize the true glow of gold.  Even though
superficially glitter sparkles and casts a deceptive lure, it actually has nothing to offer. Some people
sadly seek the glamour of superficiality without recognizing what it is they are seeking.  In fact, it is
fool's gold. We are so lucky to be in touch with Bhagavan Ramana who embodies the depth and worth
of true light.

Our foolishness lies in the false logic that we can get something for nothing.  It is not like that at all.
Bhagavan said that we are neck deep in Grace and it all depends on the size of our vessel.  If we bring
a pot to Him, we cannot receive more than that.  If we bring a cauldron we accept the the appropriate
amount.  In other words, we get what we put into it with interest!  Bhagavan is no miser or fussy
accountant;  He is beneficent beyond our wildest dreams.  The problem is we cling to our petty dreams
and ambitions as if these pretty pebbles are all we have or want.  The question is how to let go of our
small mindedness?

Deep down in our hearts we know that it is only by our own instruments of body, heart, mind, and labor
that we can obtain real gold.  We know nothing is free in this world and we learn from bitter experience
that anyone who tells otherwise is deluded.   


Arunachala Siva.           

General topics / My Reminiscences of Sri Bhagavan - Swami Ramanananda -
« on: February 25, 2016, 10:51:19 AM »
(The above article appeared in Mountain Path, Jan. - Mar. 2008)

(Sri Ramanananda is formerly known as T.N. Venkataraman, who was President of the Asramam.)

I was blessed with very first Upadesam (instruction) of Sri Bhagavan, when I was all of five years old.
That was in 1920, at Skandashram.  A plate of fruit and sweets had been put aside for the monkey,
'Nondi' but when nobody was looking I went to the plate, took a sweet and put it in my mouth. All
of a sudden a monkey appeared, limped towards me, slapped me and grabbed the plate.

My grandmother Alagammal pleaded with Nondy not to harm me.  Then Bhagavan Ramana came into the
room and said, 'This is a lesson for you;  now understand that we should not desire things which belong
to others.'  I fully understood the profound meaning of that Upadesam long afterwards when I was President
of Sri Ramanasramam.

My grandmother Alagammal also came to Bhagavan once and asked for His blessing on her daughter-in-
law Mangalam in order that she should have a son to continue the family line as none of her siblings
had borne any children.  Bhagavan smiled graciously and she took this as His blessing.  I was born a
year later and everyone was sure that it was due to Sri Bhagavan's grace.

My mother Mangalam passed away when I was not yet three and my father Nagasundaram, who later
became Swami Niranjananda and was called Chinnaswami by everybody in Sri Ramanasramam,
left me at the house of my aunt Alamelu and her husband Pichu Iyer at Kunrakudi and went away.
They brought me up with great love.


Arunachala Siva.             

5.  Jagata isadhi yukta sevanam
     ashta murti bhrd deva pujanam.

To serve the world, looked upon as the manifestation of the Lord, is to offer worship to the Lord
of the Eight Forms.

The 'Lord of the Eight Forms' is identified by the poet, Kalidasa, in the prologue to his famous play

Eight forms has Shiva, lord of all and king:
And these are Water, first created thing;
And Fire, which speeds the sacrifice began;
The Priest;  and time's dividers, Moon and Sun;
The all-embracing Ether, path of sound;
The Earth, wherein all seeds of life are found;
And Air, the breath of life. May He draw near,
Revealed in these, and bless those gathered here.

To perform our ordained in life, remembering always that in doing so we are serving the Lord's
own creation,  is to worship Siva effectively.

Having described the path of action in previous verses, the Maharshi, in this and the next five,
discusses the path of devotion and shows its relation to action and to meditative practices.


Arunachala Siva.                   

Verse  285:

As long as this world and the Jiva appear even as a dream to you, go on with the practice
and carefully do away with your ignorance of identifying the Self with the non Self.

Verse  286:

In sleep, in talking with the others, in hearing music, etc., one is apt to forget the thought of
oneness with the Atman. Give them (these distractions) no opportunity, but carefully do away
with your ignorance of identifying the Self with the non Self.

Verse  287:

Think of the Soul in the soul, not in the body or mind.  This body, which has sprung from the dirt of
father and mother, give up as something filthy, but be established in the real Self.  Be and become
Brahman.  Be perfect.

Verse 288:

As the space in the pitcher can be made one with the space outside, so this Atman which is in
this body, make one with that Supreme.  And becoming one, undivided whole, be quiet.


Arunachala Siva.           

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 25, 2016, 09:18:19 AM »
Verse 80:

வெங்கணைபடு பிடர்கிழிபட 
   விசையுருவிய கயவாய்
செங்கனல்பட அதனொடுகணை
   செறியமுன்இரு கருமா
அங்கெழுசிர முருவியபொழு 
   தடலெயிறுற அதனைப்
பொங்கியசின மொடுகவர்வன
   புரைவனசில புலிகள்.

When the napes of necks of boars were slit
By darts, fiery blood gushed forth from the wounds;
More and more darts were rained on them
And they sped piercing and dragging their heads
And stood stuck between the teeth of tigers
Which came running with their mouths agape.
It looked as though the tigers came thither
To prey upon the fierce hogs.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 25, 2016, 09:16:27 AM »
Verse 79:

தாளறுவன இடைதுணிவன 
   தலைதுமிவன கலைமா
வாளிகளொடு குடல்சொரிதர
   மறிவனசில மரைமா
நீளுடல்விடு சரமுருவிட
   நிமிர்வனமிடை கடமா
மீளிகொள்கணை படுமுடலெழ 
   விழுவனபல உழையே.

Severed were the legs, the haunches and the heads of stags;
With their intestines ripped open, died a few marais;
With their bodies rent by darts, down fell
The wild cattle of the jungle; split by darts
Many antelopes jumped and fell and died.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 25, 2016, 09:14:24 AM »
Verse  78:

ஏனமோடு மானினங்கள் 
   எண்குதிண் கலைக்குலம்
கானமேதி யானைவெம் 
   புலிக்கணங்கள் கான்மரை
ஆனமாவ னேகமா 
   வெருண்டெழுந்து பாயமுன்
சேனைவேடர் மேலடர்ந்து
   சீறிஅம்பில் நூறினார்.

Jungle hogs, deer of many types, bears,
Herds of strong stags, bisons, tuskers, fierce tigers,
Marais and wild animals were roused.
When they leaped in spiraling wrath, the hunters
Smote them all with their arrows.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 25, 2016, 08:44:04 AM »
Verse  77:

வெய்யமா எழுப்பஏவி
   வெற்பராயம் ஓடிநேர்
எய்யும்வாளி முன்தெரிந்து 
   கொண்டுசெல்ல எங்கணும்
மொய்குரல் துடிக்குலங்கள் 
   பம்பைமுன் சிலைத்தெழக்
கைவிளித் ததிர்த்துமா
   எழுப்பினார்கள் கானெலாம்.

Hunting dogs were set on the beasts;
Hunters advanced with well-chosen darts;
Tudis and Pampais resounded everywhere;
With hands and mouths they clapped and shouted;
The hiding animals were ferreted out thus
From their hides-out in the woodland.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 25, 2016, 08:42:22 AM »
Verse 76:

வெஞ்சிலைக்கை வீரனாரும் 
   வேடரோடு கூடிமுன்
மஞ்சலைக்கு மாமலைச் 
   சரிப்புறத்து வந்தமா
அஞ்சுவித் தடர்க்குநாய்கள் 
   அட்டமாக விட்டுநீள்
செஞ்சரத்தி னோடுசூழல் 
   செய்தகானுள் எய்தினார்.

Thinnan the fierce bowman joined the hunters;
The animals were roused from their lairs
In the slopes of the cloud-capped mountain;
Hounds were unleashed to seize them;
With arrows, long and sharp, he went into the jungle
Where nets were spread to trap the animals.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: February 25, 2016, 08:40:04 AM »
Verse 75:

ஒடியெறிந்து வாரொழுக்கி 
   யோசனைப் பரப்பெலாம்
நெடியதிண் வலைத்தொடக்கு
    நீளிடைப் பிணித்துநேர்
கடிகொ ளப் பரந்தகாடு 
   காவல்செய் தமைத்தபின்
செடிதலைச் சிலைக்கைவேடர் 
   திண்ணனார்முன் நண்ணினார்.

They cleared the branches and fastened with straps
The whole jungle, a Yojana square; huge strong nets
Were hung everywhere; it was dreadful to behold;
When they completed their work, the hunters
Of ringed hair came before Thinnan.   

Arunachala Siva.

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