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335.  Only he that thinks 'I am the doer of actions and the recipient of the fruits of actions' takes
the distinction between the Intellect (Will) and Fate as real;  but the Self is neither the doer  nor
the recipient of actions.

336.  When the fruit of actions is pleasant, man thinks that the Will is stronger than Fate. But
when the fruit of action is otherwise, he thinks that Fate is stronger.

337.  Fate is only actin done before, and all action is done by the Will. Hence the pair of Will and Fate
is only unreal.  How can their antagonism be real?

338. Since the root of both Will and Fate is the ego, this pair will cease to appear when the ego
dies by the pursuit of the Quest of the Real Self, and hence the Sage is not aware of the distinction
between Free Will and Fate.

339.  The Sage, who has no mind and hence free from attachment and without a personal
Will, does not become a doer of actions, nor does He reap the fruits of action; therefore, He
is not aware of the distinction between Free Will and Fate.         

340.  Even in the case of an ignorant one, the Real Self is ever enlightened, and hence does not
engage in actions, nor suffer delusion.  But in His Presence the intellect becomes endowed with
consciousness  and is active according to the qualities that dominate it.

341. Therefore the aspirant must cease from thoughts of the worldly life, and strive to become
aware of the Truth of the Self, which is the same as the Brahman, by means of the Quest of that


Arunachala Siva.   

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:34:20 AM »
Verse  197:

ஞான சம்பந்தன் நம்பால் அணைகின்றான்
மான முத்தின் சிவிகை மணிக்குடை
ஆன சின்னம்நம் பாற்கொண் டருங்கலைக்
கோன வன்பா லணைந்து கொடும்என.

The Lord bade them thus: "Unto Us
Comes Jnaanasambandhan; to him
The Prince of rare scriptures, give the great
Litter decked with pearls, the beauteous parasol
And the trumpets, receiving them from Us."   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:32:05 AM »
Verse  196:

நீடு வாழ்பதி யாகும்நெல் வாயிலின்
மாட மாமனை தோறும் மறையோர்க்குக்
கூடு கங்குற் கனவிற் குலமறை
தேடு சேவடி தோன்றமுன் சென்றுபின்.

In a dream that night the Lord whose roseate feet
Are for ever the quest of the Vedas,
Appeared to the Brahmins that dwelt
In the huge mansions of ever-during Tirunelvaayil.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:29:44 AM »
Verse  195:

ஏறுதற்குச் சிவிகை இடக்குடை
கூறி ஊதக் குலவுபொற் சின்னங்கள்
மாறில் முத்தின் படியினால் மன்னிய
நீறு வந்த நிமலர் அருளுவார்.

A palanquin to ride, a parasol to cover his head,
Beauteous golden trumpets to proclaim his advent,
All decked with precious pearls: these, the Lord
Who is pleased to grant deliverance
Through the holy ash, deigned to confer on him.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:27:15 AM »
Verse  194:

இந்நி லைக்கண் எழில்வளர் பூந்தராய்
மன்ன னார்தம் வழிவருத் தத்தினை
அன்ன மாடுந் துறைநீர் அரத்துறைச்
சென்னி யாற்றர் திருவுளஞ் செய்தனர்.

While so, the river-crested Lord of Tiruvaratthurai
In whose fords the teeming swans play,
Deigned to cure the fatigue of the Prince
Of Poontharaai who was foot sore.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:24:54 AM »
Verse 193:

அற்றை நாள்இர வப்பதி யின்னிடைச்
சுற்று நீடிய தொண்டர்கள் போற்றிடப்
பெற்ற மூர்ந்த பிரான்கழல் பேணுவார்
வெற்றி மாதவத் தோருடன் மேவினார்.

Hailed by the devotees who were with him,
He who for ever meditates on the feet
Of the Lord-Rider of the Bull,
Spent the night in that town;
Great saints of victorious tapas
Accompanied with him.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:22:40 AM »
Verse  192:

உய்ய வந்தசம் பந்த ருடன்வந்தார்க்
கெய்து வெம்மை இளைப்பஞ்சி னான்போலக்
கைக ளாயிரம் வாங்கிக் கரந்துபோய்
வெய்ய வன்சென்று மேல்கடல் வீழ்ந்தனன்.

As if scared of the fatigue caused by heat
Which was suffered by the devotees who came
With Sambandhar, the Redeemer of the world,
The sun withdrawing his myriad rays
Sank into the western main.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:20:01 AM »
Verse  191:

மாறன் பாடி யெனும்பதி வந்துற
ஆறு செல்வருத் தத்தின் அசைவினால்
வேறு செல்பவர் வெய்துறப் பிள்ளையார்
ஏறு மஞ்செழுத் தோதிஅங் கெய்திட.

As they neared the town Maaranpaadi
By reason of the travel on foot
His train of devotees felt fatigued;
The divine child chanting the mystic five letters, 
Reached the place (in ease).

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:17:57 AM »
Verse  190:

இந்த மாநிலத் தின்இருள் நீங்கிட
வந்த வைதிக மாமணி யானவர்
சிந்தை ஆரமு தாகிய செஞ்சடைத்
தந்தை யார்கழல் தாழ்ந்தெழுந்து ஏகினார்.

He was the great Ruby of the Vedas who made
His avatar to dispel the murk of this earth;
He prostrated at the hallowed feet of the Father,
The ambrosial Lord of red matted hair,
Rose up and moved on.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:15:39 AM »
Verse 189:

பாச மற்றில ராயினும் பார்மிசை
ஆசை சங்கரற் காயின தன்மையால்
தேசு மிக்க திருவுரு வானவர்
ஈச னைத்தொழு தேதொழு தேகினார்.

Though he was absolutely freed from desires,
Here on this earth he was wholly attached
To Lord Sankara; the divine child whose form
Was that of pure light, ever and anon,
Adored the Lord and moved on.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:10:43 AM »
Verse  188:

மறைய னைத்தும் ஒருவடி வாமென
நிறைம திப்பிள்ளை நீள்நிலஞ் சேர்ந்தெனத்
துறைய லைக்கங்கை சூடும் அரத்துறை
இறைவ ரைத்தொழு வான்விரைந் தேகினார்.   

He was like an incarnation of all the Vedas;
He was like a full moon come to the earth;
To adore the Lord of Tiruvaratthurai
Who wears in His crest the Ganga
The billows of which waft into its fords,
He proceeded in all haste.   

Arunachala Siva.


For a Brahma Jnani, who is One without a second, where is some one else to place the foot on his head?

In fact, Padamalai of Muruganar is not well known to many, until David Godman translated most
of the verses, in his book.  Sri Ramana Kendra, Delhi (headed by Prof. Swaminathan those days)
published the entire Sri Ramana Jnana Bodham, 9 volumes in Tamizh, about 3000 pages in all,
in subsidized edition through Government of India.  Each volume was priced at Rs 10/= an
unbelievably low price.  There is no second edition.  I picked up 6 of 9 volumes AT THE SAME PRICE OF Rs. 10/- from Sri Ramanasramam, sometime in 2009.  The Tamizh is somewhat tough to understand.
It contains the original Sri Ramana Anubhuti, Sri Ramana Anubhuti Venba and Padamalai. It also
contains Sri Ramana Alankaram.  Some of these books were written during late 1940s before
Bhagavan's Maha Nirvana. Sri Ramana Anubhuti (later called Guru Ramana Prasadam, by Robert Butler),
Sri Ramana Anubhuti Venba (yet to be translated into English) and Padamalai (translated into English
by David Godman) have come out as separate books.

Salutations to You, whose feet are the primordial flowers!
Salutaions to You, whose feet are tender creepers to merge with!
Salutations to You, whose feet are the riches for the devotees!
Salutations to You, whose feet are the ultimate goal for all!
Salutations to You, whose feet are yet to be fathomed by Vishnu
   and Brahma.
Salutations to You, whose glory we shall sing in this Dhanur month!

                    - Tiruvembavai, Manikkavachagar, Verse 20.

I bow to that curved foot which is the goal for us.
          - About Nataraja, in Kunchitangristavam, AruL Nandi Sivam.

Arunachala Siva.   


Bhagavan Ramana was as usual sitting on His sofa.  The office people had brought a table fan,
since it was very hot in that summer.  The table fan was making a lot of noise and it often
also got stuck.  Bhagavan Ramana said:  "Why this fan should be here?  I have no work. 
I have got a hand fan and that is adequate for me.  The table fan is making "more speeches ' than me.  Please take it to the office.  In fact, they need the table fan because they work hard!"   

Arunachala Siva


Sri Lakshmana Sarma felt that the Sad Darsanam of Kavyakanta
Ganapati Sastri was not the clear-cut description of Bhagavan
Ramana's teachings.  So, he went on altering the Sanskrit verses
of Kavyakanta one by one, some of them, he rewrote entirely.
Bhagavan Ramana did not appreciate it nor did he object to it.
This went on for quite some time, I think years.  Finally, after
Bhagavan's perusal, it was decided to have them published. 
Chinnaswamy was not eager to publish them.  Bhagavan Ramana
Himself went to the office oneday, and told Chinnaswamy to do
something about it.  Then it was agreed upon.  Meanwhile,
Lakshmana Sarma got them printed outside and the books were
ready.  In order not to embarass Bhagavan Ramana, Chinnaswamy
got the copies hurriedly from the publisher and pasted Sri Ramanasramam, on the first page, 
and permitted the sales.

Now Bhagavan Ramana, what did He say, about the whole thing, i.e  writing and reading while the
mind has to be controlled and mano nasam  achieved.  "Writing and Rewriting Sad Darsanam, (ULLadu Narpadu) was itself a Sadhana for Lakshmana Sarma.  Let it be a Sadhana.  Otherwise,
his mind might have been thinking something else. 

Muruganar wrote 30,000 poems.  Bhagavan Ramana must have told
the same thing about this too.  Instead of having some other thoughts, it is better
to have Ramana thoughts, which I trust, is a good Sadhana, particularly for fellows who
cannot control the mind.

David Godman, after realization, wrote about 9 large volume books.  Each devotee worth his name wrote their reminscences.  Robert Butler and Sri Sadhu Om also wrote many books.  There are at least, 6 standard meanings and commentaries for Sri Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai.  Recently, one more has come out from Prof. K. Swaminathan's family of next generation.  All these were written as part of the writer's
sadhana.  There is nothing beyond that. Definitely no financial benefit.  Regarding ego-bulging aspects,
I honestly submit, I have no such qualms.

Arunachala Siva.


How can a Brahma Jnani without thoughts, write a book or engage
in activities?

When I said Jnani is like Nature, doing certain thing without the
implements/gadgets i..e the thinking process of a mind, people
said when so many things could happen naturally like a water
spring in the Hill or a cavity on earth, due earthquake, thinking
can also happen naturally.  If that be so, then Bhagavan Ramana
should have said about "natural thinking without the instrument
of mind", somewhere in the Conversations / Tallks compiled by
devotees.  But no such reply has been found anywhere.

I think, Ribhu Gita, comes here with the answer.  The Chapter
26 Verse 25 (Tr. in English free verse by Dr.H. Ramamoorthy
and Nome) runs like this:

That which by knowing firmly as oneself
One has no need to anything else in the least,
By knowing which with full conviction as oneself
All is known for ever.
And by knowing which as oneself in complete certitude
All actions are accomplished in their entirety --
Ever abide in Bliss, without a trace of a concept (sankalpa)
In That itself as That itself.

Incidentally Sri Lingeshwara Rao's Sanskrit-English version,
does not have this!  Everything is Ramana maya.

Arunachala Siva.

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