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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Stories
« on: December 31, 2015, 06:31:33 AM »

Once G.V. Subbaramaiah, had brought his two young daughters, Lalita and Indra, to the Asramam.
The younger one Indra, who was hardly 5 years old was quite mischievous.

In the Hall, some devotees at that time were asking Bhagavan Ramana, how to remain still [to remain Summa], amidst various work in the world.  Bhagavan Ramana said that it is all in the mind.  If the mind could be quelled and made to stay in the Self, within, any amount of work could be done, without
desire-ship and doer-ship. Meantime, Indra, was moving here and there in the Hall. She was pulling out books, Bhagavan Ramana's stick, alms-bowl, the time-piece near the sofa etc.,  Bhagavan
Ramana asked:  "Amma, what are you doing?"  Indra replied:  " I am not doing anything.  I am remaining Summa."

Everyone laughed.  Bhagavan Ramana also laughed and said:

"See, this is how the worldly work should be performed!"

Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 31, 2015, 06:28:24 AM »

Perseverance is the only way.  Mind does not chatter in deep sleep.  It chats un-inturruptedly while one is awake or in dreams.  Western philosophers and psycho analaysts like Freud, did some
research only about wakeful state and dream state.  They were trying to give some sleeping tablets
for sleep.  It is Gaudapada who attacked the problem in his famous Gaudapada Karika and his
commentary on Mandukya Upanishad.  He is the man who had gone much more beyond the Western
psychologists and told about the inter-relationship between Jagrat, Swapna and Sushupti states.

Perseverance is the only way. One suggestion that Bhagavan had said:  If you cannot control your thoughts, please hold on to one thought.  One nama of god.  This is the only other way to control our thoughts.   

Arunachala Siva.

4.  Nevertheless , there are those who somehow manage to obtain this rare human birth, together
with bodily and mental strength, and an understanding of the scriptures -- and yet are so deluded
that they do not struggle for liberation.  Such men are suicides. They clutch at the unreal and destroy

5.  For, what greater fool can there be than the man who has obtained this rare human birth together
with bodily and mental strength and yet fails, through delusion, to realize his own highest good?

6. Men may recite the scriptures and sacrifices to the holy spirits, they perform rituals and worship
deities -- but, until a man wakes to the knowledge of his identity with the Atman, liberation can never
be obtained.  No, not even at the end of many hundreds of Brahma's years.

7. The scriptures declare that immortality cannot be gained through work or progeny or riches, but
by renunciation alone.  Hence it is clear that work cannot bring us liberation.


Arunachala Siva.       

General Discussion / Re: Bhagavan is everywhere.
« on: December 30, 2015, 10:23:51 AM »
Again, what we can do to fix our minds and hearts on Bhagavan in  whatever shape or form or bhava
(attitude) suits us best.  With practice, we can overcome the Pramada (willful forgetfulness) that
makes us think we are separate.  Our devotion is answered though not necessarily in the form or result
we imagined.  That our sorrow is lessened and our doubts and confusion cleared to the point where
they seem quite irrelevant in the face of an overwhelming sense of peace, is evident to all who enter
the ambit of Arunachala Ramana.

On a purely physical level we know the speed of light is some 1,86,000 miles per second.  We also
know that the speed of thought is faster than light.  What if there is something which is faster than
thought?  How to think of it, or imagine it?  We cannot because our mind is an instrument of thought.
But what if there is 'something' which transcends all sense of difference?

Bhagavan said repeatedly that He and the Self are one and the same and our mistake is to identify
Him with a body and mind.  Let us accept for a moment that what He says is true and not just  nod
our heads blindly and pay lip service to this insight.  If Bhagavan is not the body or the mind then
who is 'He'?  And if are to believe Him, that He and we are one and the same, who then are we?


Arunachala Siva.       

General topics / Re: The Self as a Gooseberry in the Palm of the Hand.
« on: December 30, 2015, 10:12:49 AM »
Later, one of the other disciples asked Acharya as to how, without going through the process of spiritual
practices like inquiry, meditation, or without receiving instruction from a guru, this boy could attain
Self Realization. The Acharya replied: 'Once a highly evolved saint was sitting on the bank of a river when
a woman went near him and requested the saint to take care of her two year old child as she was going
to take her bath.  The saint who was meditating did not notice the baby.  The baby crawled away and
fell into the river.  Picking up the dead body of the child, the woman started crying aloud.  Taking pity
on the mother, the saint used his powers and entered into the body of the child and brought life to it.
This woman was the wife of Prabhakara and her child, who inherited all the qualities of the saint has grown
up as a young lad.'

During the next few years, the Acharya brought about a spiritual renaissance in the country through
his inspired discourses and popular works like Atmabodha, Aparokshanubhuti and Vivekachudamani.
However, over the centuries, the questions contained to crop up as to why the mind could not be at
peace.  Seekers continued to ask why the Self could not be realized even after years of rigorous


Arunachala Siva.

General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 30, 2015, 10:02:25 AM »
Where is the proof for accepting that the bliss of sleep is self manifest?

When one awakens from deep sleep, one says from memory, 'All this time I slept happily.'  Memory
is possible only of an experience.  The usual experiences of waking and dream are given by the organs
of knowledge in their gross or subtle forms.  Such organs are not there to give experience in deep sleep.
This proves that the experience of happiness in sleep is self-manifest.


Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:43:06 AM »
Verse  140:

அத்தர் வேண்டிமுன் ஆண்டவர் அன்பினால்
மெய்த்த ழைத்து விதிர்ப்புறு சிந்தையார்
கைத்தி ருத்தொண்டு செய்கடப் பாட்டினார்
இத்தி றத்தவ ரன்றியும் எண்ணிலார்.

The devotees are made servitors as willed by the Father;
In love are they thrilled with mysterium tremendum;
They ply their hands for ever in the Lord?s service;
With these were also accompanied innumerable devotees.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:41:16 AM »
Verse 139:

அகில காரணர் தாள்பணி வார்கள்தாம்
அகில லோகமும் ஆளற் குரியரென்று
அகில லோகத்து ளார்க ளடைதலின்
அகில லோகமும் போல்வ ததனிடை.

It is the devotees who adore nought but the feet
Of the Lord, -- the Author of all the worlds --,
Who are entitled to rule all the worlds;
To hail them and to be ruled by them,
Men from all the worlds here assemble.
So it is like all the worlds duly juxtaposed.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:39:32 AM »
Verse 138:

அரந்தை தீர்க்கும் அடியவர் மேனிமேல்
நிரந்த நீற்றொளி யால்நிறை தூய்மையால்
புரந்த வஞ்செழுத் தோசை பொலிதலால்
பரந்த வாயிரம் பாற்கடல் போல்வது.

By the blaze of the white lustre that issues
From the holy ash, duly worn by the devotees
Who can set at nought the misery of all beings,
By its sheer purity, and by the resounding
Everywhere of the protective Panchakshara,
It is like a confluence of many a milky main.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:37:35 AM »
Verse 137:

பூவார் திசைமுகன் இந்திரன் பூமிசை
மாவாழ் அகலத்து மால்முத லானவர்
ஓவா தெவரும் நிறைந்துறைந் துள்ளது
தேவா சிரிய னெனுந்திருக் காவணம்.

Brahma of the lotus-flower, Indra and Vishnu
On whose bosom dwells Lakshmi,
And other gods for ever abide here
In Devasiriyan, the mantapam divine.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:35:33 AM »
Verse 136:

பூத நாயகர் புற்றிடங் கொண்டவர்
ஆதி தேவர் அமர்ந்தபூங் கோயிலிற்
சோதி மாமணி நீள்சுடர் முன்றில்சூழ்
மூதெ யிற்றிரு வாயின்முன் னாயது.

The Lord of Bhootas is of the Ant-Hill and is
Also the Primal Lord; in His Flower-Temple
Is the great and bright and beauteous courtyard;
Here is the mantapam called Devasiriyan
Abutting the forted wall and entrance-tower.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:33:29 AM »
Verse 135:

இனையவகை அறநெறியில்
   எண்ணிறந்தோர்க் கருள்புரிந்து
முனைவரவர் மகிழ்ந்தருளப்
   பெற்றுடைய மூதூர்மேல்
புனையுமுரை நம்மளவில்
   புகலலாந் தகைமையதோ
அனையதனுக் ககமலராம்
   அறவனார் பூங்கோயில்.

Such grace was meted out to innumerable men
Poised in Dharma, and thus was the hoary city
Blessed by the Lord in blissful grace;
Can ever our words match its glory?
The Lord?s Flower-Temple was very like its corolla!

Arunachala Siva.


General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:31:37 AM »
Verse 134:

பொன்தயங்கு மதிலாரூர்ப்
   பூங்கோயில் அமர்ந்தபிரான்
வென்றிமனு வேந்தனுக்கு
   வீதியிலே அருள்கொடுத்துச்
சென்றருளும் பெருங்கருணைத்
   திறங்கண்டு தன்னடியார்க்கு
என்றும்எளி வரும்பெருமை
   ஏழுலகும் எடுத்தேத்தும்.

Beholding the gracious mercy of the Lord, -- the One
Enshrined in the Poongkoyil at Tiuvaroor
From whose forted walls issues golden lustre --,
Conferred on Manu -- the victorious king --,
So openly and in a street, (to this very day),
All the seven worlds hail the glory of His grace
Which is for ever of access to His devotees.   

Arunachala Siva.


General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:29:25 AM »
Verse 133:

அடிபணிந்த திருமகனை
   ஆகமுற எடுத்தணைத்து
நெடிதுமகிழ்ந் தருந்துயரம்
    நீங்கினான் நிலவேந்தன்
மடிசுரந்து பொழிதீம்பால்
   வருங்கன்று மகிழ்ந்துண்டு
படிநனைய வரும்பசுவும்
    பருவரல்நீங் கியதன்றே.

The King embraced in delight his son divine
Who fell at his feet in adoration;
He was freed clean of his great grief.
Gone was the sorrow of the cow whose udder swelled
As the calf sucked in joy its sweet milk
Which overflowed and drenched the earth.

Arunachala Siva.


General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:27:24 AM »
Verse 132:

அந்நிலையே உயிர்பிரிந்த
   ஆன்கன்றும் அவ்வரசன்
மன்னுரிமைத் தனிக்கன்றும்
   மந்திரியும் உடனெழலும்
இன்னபரி சானானென்
   றறிந்திலன்வேந் தனும்யார்க்கும்
முன்னவனே முன்னின்றால்
   முடியாத பொருளுளதோ.

That very moment, the dead calf, the prince peerless
And the minister too were brought back to life;
The King by no means could reckon his joy;
Is there aught impossible for the Primal Lord
If He means to be the Implementer?

Arunachala Siva.

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