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General Discussion / Re: Bhagavan, Now and to Come
« on: December 26, 2015, 02:34:59 PM »
With time Bhagavan will be surrounded by stories of miracles that eventually will bear little resemblance
to the Bhagavan we know.  He will also become a dry paragraph in an academic survey of Indian
spirituality.  For those of us to whom Bhagavan means something it is a living creative process.  Our ideas
and emotions about Bhagavan will change according to the developing subtlety and purity of our minds
and hearts.  The perceptions and attitudes of yesterday will become redundant today for Bhagavan is
a living reality and not an object to examine and dissect.

It has quite often been the case that a new arrival would enter the Old Hall, see the benign photo on
the couch and think, "it is just like a museum."  If they persist and sit often, the realization will come
that there is a distinctive presence that responds.  How this happens we do not know and we are left
with a quandary our mind is unable to fathom.  For a change we have no answer and nothing we can
think makes any difference.  But we do accept it for what it is:  a mystery.  This is truly is our first
major step.  We have given up trying to put out our experience in a conceptual box.  We have given
up trying to manipulate experience to fit our own misguided and selfish advantage.  We stop trying           
and learn to be.


Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: The Self as a Gooseberry in the Palm of the Hand.
« on: December 26, 2015, 02:19:39 PM »
There were a few who were particularly inspired by the Acharya's philosophy.  Eager to cross the
turbulent ocean of samsara, they came to him and sought to serve him as his disciples. Among
them, four stand out by virtue of their dedication, discipline, devotion and knowledge.  The first and
foremost of them was a brahmin named Sanandana, who hailed from the land where the river Kaveri
flows.  It is said that the waters of Kaveri have the unique power of awakening intense spirituality
in those who partake of them. He came to the Acharya, fell at his feet and said:  I seek your grace.
Please be gracious enough to permit me to imbibe the nectar of wisdom that flows from your lips.

Full of compassion and recognizing his worthiness, the Acharaya accepted him as his disciple. Once,
while the Acharya was getting ready to deliver a discourse near the bank of Ganga, Sanandana
happened to be on the other side of the river.  When the Acharya beckoned to him to join the group,
Sanandana implicitly obeyed his master and, unaware of what he was doing, started walking across
the river.  Such was the greatness of his faith and obedience to the master, that mother Ganga sprouted
a lotus as support under each of his steps, earning him the name Padmapada. 

Continuing his pilgrimages, the Acharya reached the city of Mahishmati by the Narmada.  This was the
hometown of the great scholar and exponent of ritualistic school of Vedanta, Mandana Misra, whom
the Acharya wanted to debate in order to establish the superiority of Advaita over Karmakanda.  Legend
has it that the boy Acharya used a ruse to literally land inside Mandana's compound when the latter was
engaged in a Sraddha ceremony where a Sannyasin's  presence was a taboo.

Mandana was understandably annoyed and proceeded to shoo him away with taunts and insults.  The
Acharya took it all in his stride with obvious amusement.  After the initial banter, the two agreed to a
debate, wagering that the party that was defeated would convert to the other's way of life.  A fierce
debate ensued, at the end of which Mandana clearly saw the reason behind Sankara's doctrine of unity
of all existence and the illusory nature of the phenomenal world. He realized that Sankara was the
embodiment of Siva, who had come to help humanity to overcome the bondage of samsara, and willingly
followed him as disciple.


Arunachala Siva.                         

General Discussion / Re: Sleep and Recuperation -
« on: December 26, 2015, 12:35:10 PM »
There are four stages in sleep: The first is the non-REM sleep which consists of the three stages which occur
immediately after you may go to sleep:

1) Transition to sleep is the first which lasts for about five minutes in which your eyes move slowly
under the eyelids and muscle activity slows down and you can be easily awakened in this state.

2) Light sleep is the next stage in which your eye movement stops, heart rate  slows up and the body
temperature decreases.  This stage lasts for about 10 to 25 minutes.

3) The next is deep sleep state, which may last for about 30 to 40 minutes. In this stage of sleep,
your brain waves are extremely slow.  The blood flow is directed away from your brain and towards
your muscles, restoring physical energy.

4)  The final is the REM SLEEP, which occurs 70 to 90 minutes after you go to sleep where dreaming
occurs. This may last for 20 to 30 minutes. Here your eyes move rapidly, breathing becomes shallow
and heart rate and blood pressure increase. Also during this stage, your arm and leg muscles are


Arunachala Siva.     


General Discussion / Re: Laghu Vasudeva Mananam:
« on: December 26, 2015, 11:17:54 AM »
Will this not amount to admitting there there is no internal difference (Svagata-bheda) in the case also
of a tree which is described as having leaves, flowers and fruits?

No.  The question is out of place.  In the case of the tree, it is not said that the 'whole tree' is of
the nature of leaf or flower or branches.  What is said is that some part of it are leaves, some parts
of it  are flowers, some parts of it fruits etc.,  So there is obviously internal difference in the case of
the tree. But in regard to the Atman, when it is said is that Atman is without any distinction of parts,
Sat Chit Ananda is its entirety. This is in the case of light also when it is said that light is hot, brilliant,
red colored etc.,  This light cannot be divided into hot part, brilliant part and red part.  The description
is of the whole light. In the same way there is no internal difference for the Atman.


Arunachala Siva.         

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:45:51 AM »

கொற்ற வாழி குவலயஞ் சூழ்ந்திடச்
சுற்று மன்னர் திறைகடை சூழ்ந்திடச்
செற்றம் நீக்கிய செம்மையின் மெய்ம்மனுப்
பெற்ற நீதியுந் தன்பெயர் ஆக்கினான்.

With the royal disc cincturing the earth,
With vassal-kings holding tributes, surrounding his court,
With righteousness totally freed from wrath,
He reigned in the realm, and his reign came to be called
Manu-Niti, established by the Grand Manu.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:43:29 AM »

மண்ணில் வாழ்தரு மன்னுயிர் கட்கெலாங்
கண்ணும் ஆவியு மாம்பெருங் காவலான்
விண்ணு ளார்மகிழ் வெய்திட வேள்விகள்
எண்ணி லாதன மாண இயற்றினான்.

This great Ruler was like the eye and soul
Of all the lives that throve on this earth;
He nobly performed a good many sacrifices
That the celestial beings felt immensely pleased.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:40:44 AM »

அன்ன தொல்நக ருக்கர சாயினான்
துன்னு செங்கதி ரோன்வழித் தோன்றினான்
மன்னு சீர்அந பாயன் வழிமுதல்
மின்னும் மாமணிப் பூண்மனு வேந்தனே.

he monarch of this hoary city
Hails from the hallowed solar race;
Glorious Anapaya is his name, the descendent of Manu,
The jewelled king, himself a jewel bright.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:38:08 AM »

நிலம கட்கழ கார்திரு நீள்நுதல்
திலகம் ஒப்பது செம்பியர் வாழ்பதி
மலர்ம கட்குவண் தாமரை போல்மலர்ந்து
அலகில் சீர்த்திரு வாரூர் விளங்குமால்.

This city of the Chozhas is like the tilaka
On the broad the beauteous forehead of the Lady-Earth;
It is also like the rich and blooming lotus
On which is enthroned Lakshmi
Infinite is its glory.   

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:35:17 AM »

தாழ்ந்த வேணியர் சைவர் தபோதனர்
வாழ்ந்த சிந்தை முனிவர் மறையவர்
வீழ்ந்த இன்பத் துறையுள் விரவுவார்
சூழ்ந்த பல்வே றிடத்ததத் தொல்நகர்.

The hoary and divine city is the habitat of them
Whose matted hair is huge and long,
Saivites, tapaswis, saints who are renunciates,
Brahmins and also those who are willingly
Immersed in the sweet of love.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:32:48 AM »

ஆர ணங்களே அல்ல மறுகிடை
வார ணங்களும் மாறி முழங்குமால்
சீர ணங்கிய தேவர்க ளேயலால்
தோர ணங்களில் தாமமுஞ் சூழுமால்.

Apart from the chanting of the Vedas, is also heard
In the streets, the trumpeting of the serried tuskers;
Not only are seen in the city the celestial who come   
To witness Ananku-Aadal, but also festoons and wreaths.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:30:41 AM »

விளக்கம் மிக்க கலன்கள் விரவலால்
துளக்கில் பேரொலி யால்துன்னு பண்டங்கள்
வளத்தொ டும்பல வாறு மடுத்தலால்
அளக்கர் போன்றன ஆவண வீதிகள்.

As they are full of bright jewels,
As dinsome noise resounds there
And as goods a good many are there stored and sold,
The trader?s streets are like unto the sea.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:28:14 AM »

உள்ளம் ஆர்உரு காதவர் ஊர்விடை
வள்ள லார்திரு வாரூர் மருங்கெலாந்
தெள்ளும் ஓசைத் திருப்பதி கங்கள்பைங்
கிள்ளை பாடுவ கேட்பன பூவைகள்.

Whose heart will not melt? In all the streets of Tiruvarur
Where is enshrined the Lord who rides the Bull,
The divine Padigams are rendered by the green parakeets;
The starlings listen to them in rapture.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:26:23 AM »

செங்கண் மாதர் தெருவில் தெளித்தசெங்
குங்கு மத்தின் குழம்பை அவர்குழல்
பொங்கு கோதையின் பூந்துகள் வீழ்ந்துடன்
அங்கண் மேவி யளறு புலர்த்துமால்.

Over the kumkum-paste sprinkled on the streets
By the red-eyed damsels, pollen falls from fresh flowers
Worn by them on their abundant locks,
And thus is dried the fragrant mire.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Tevaram - Some select verses.
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:24:08 AM »

படர்ந்த பேரொளிப் பன்மணி வீதிபார்
இடந்த ஏனமும் அன்னமும் தேடுவார்
தொடர்ந்து கொண்டவன் தொண்டர்க்குத் தூதுபோய்
நடந்த செந்தா மரையடி நாறுமால்.

As the Lord unknowable to the Hog and the Swan,
As a messenger of Van-tondar plied his steps
In that street where is situate her gemmy mansion bright,
It is still fragrant with the touch of His lotus-feet.   

Arunachala Siva.


A Saint,  if he is truly a Brahmajnani does not commit any sin.  And he is above sin and merits. 
In stories, we see only a sinner becoming a saint, as in the cases of Valmiki and Arunagiri Natha.
A saint becoming a sinner is almost nil.  There may be a couple of cases, like Sage Viswamitra
who got enamored with Menaka, and started a life of conjugal bliss.  Even here, it is not a sin but
an error, and it caused only a reversal of the merits of his penance.  He had to start the penance
all over again when he realized his error.

Bhagavan Ramana has said:  If someone causes misery for a Jnani, he takes over the sins/errors
if any of the Jnani and Jnani becomes a clean slate.  If on the other hand if a devotee causes happiness
for a Jnani, like giving food, medicines etc., then such a devotee takes over the merits of a Jnani.
Because a Jnani does not need any merits for him.

Arunachala Siva

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