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Why are you not posting, Sir?

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Vichara
« on: March 23, 2018, 02:54:56 PM »
Disciple: How is one to realise the Self?
Maharshi: Whose Self? Find out.
D: Mine, but who am I?
M: Find out yourself.
D: I don't know how.
M: Just think over the question. Who is it that says "I don't know?" Who is the 'I' in your statement? What is not known?
D: Somebody or something in me.
M: Who is that somebody? In whom?
A wonderful Teaching!
As long as there is someone to know something, or something to be known, ego flourishes.

General topics / Re: The World Is Real
« on: March 21, 2018, 12:24:58 PM »
nevertheless, this is the passage that roused my first post

Q: Brahman is real. 'The world [jagat] is illusion' is the stock phrase of Sri Sankaracharya. Yet others say, `The world is reality.' Which is true? A: Both statements are true. They refer to different stages of development and are spoken from different points of view. The aspirant [abhyasi] starts with the definition, that which is real exists always. Then he eliminates the world as unreal because it is changing. The seeker ultimately reaches the Self and there finds unity as the prevailing note. Then, that which was originally rejected as being unreal is found to be a part of the unity. Being absorbed in the reality, the world also is real. There is only being in Self-realization, and nothing but being.

Q: So the world is not really illusory?
A: At the level of the spiritual seeker you have got to say that the world is an illusion. There is no other way. When a man forgets that he is Brahman, who is real, permanent and omnipresent, and deludes himself into thinking that he is a body in the universe which is filled with bodies that are transitory, and labours under that delusion, you have got to remind him that the world is unreal and a delusion. Why ? Because his vision which has forgotten its own Self is dwelling in the external, material universe. It will not turn inwards into introspection unless you impress on him that all this external, material universe is unreal. When once he realizes his own Self he will know that there is nothing other than his own Self and he will come to look upon the whole universe as Brahman. There is no universe without the Self. So long as a man does not see the Self which is the origin of all, but looks only at the external world as real and permanent, you have to tell him that all this external universe is an illusion. You cannot help it. Take a paper. We see only the script, and nobody notices the paper on which the script is written. The paper is there whether the script on it is there or not. To those who look upon the script as real, you have to say that it is unreal, an illusion, since it rests upon the paper. The wise man looks upon both the Paper and script as one. So also with Brahman and the universe.

Q: So the world is real when it is experienced as the Self and unreal when it is seen as separate names and forms?
A: Just as fire is obscured by smoke, the shining light of consciousness is obscured by the assemblage of names and forms, the world. When by compassionate divine grace the mind becomes clear, the nature of the world will be known to be not the illusory forms but only the reality.
Only those people whose minds are devoid of the evil power of maya, having given up the knowledge of the world and being unattached to it, and having thereby attained the knowledge of the self-shining supreme reality, can correctly know the meaning of the statement 'The world is real.' If one's outlook has been transformed to the nature of real knowledge, the world of the five elements beginning with ether [akasa] will be real, being the supreme reality, which is the nature of knowledge.
The original state of this empty world, which is bewildering and crowded with many names and forms, is bliss, which is one, just as the egg-yolk of a multi-coloured peacock is only one. Know this truth by abiding in the state of Self.

General topics / Re: The World Is Real
« on: March 21, 2018, 12:17:07 PM »
Dear Nishta,
   :) That is misunderstood basically.

Are you sure our definitions are the same for world, illusion, real, unreal etc?

edit: same as my definitions, that is

General topics / Re: The World Is Real
« on: March 19, 2018, 08:29:07 AM »

Nishta! this is a really big illusion :P

this is a little know teaching of Maharshi's.....the world is not an illusion, it is real.

General topics / The World Is Real
« on: March 17, 2018, 05:09:37 AM » is not an illusion!

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Vichara
« on: March 05, 2018, 07:52:22 AM »
You were not in deep sleep
Now you are
What are you?, and
Where have you come from?

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Vichara
« on: March 05, 2018, 07:50:36 AM »
RM.: Watch the mind. You must stand aloof from it. You are not the mind. And the Self will remain over. If mind is watched thoughts cease. Peace results and it is your true nature.
AS: Watch the mind with full attention. Watch the ways of the mind without identifying with (thoughts) in any way. Ultimately, if we try hard enough, it gives us the ability to remain as consciousness, unaffected by transient thoughts.
NM: Watch your mind with great diligence, for there lies your bondage and also the key to freedom.
By looking tirelessly, I became quite empty and with that emptiness all came back to me except the mind. I find I have lost the mind irretrievably.

....earnestness is the only condition of success.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Vichara
« on: February 20, 2018, 12:59:40 AM »
Maharshi has informed you that your very existence, your sense "I Am", is the natural state, your true nature. Why does this not satisfy you? Maharshi states it is because of attachments to mind, body and world. Attachments obscure pure "Am-ness". If there were no attachments, "Am-ness" would satisfy and all troubles would end.

Does this mean attachments one-by-one need be warded off? No! Maharshi tells us to keep attention on the sense "I Am". By doing so attachments come to an end of their own accord and your glorious natural state will shine forth of its own accord.

How wonderful are the Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi.

General Discussion / Re: THIS FORUM
« on: February 16, 2018, 02:29:13 PM »
I do not agree that Inquiry "steals" away the habit. When the mind is totally still one may not feel like even speaking. but then, when one starts to involve in the world, one speaks and also acts. when mind is kept still for a long time, it tends to remain motionless. thats all that happens. but spirituality is not about motionless-ness of mind ... mind is like a car ... one needs to handle the mind. when moving and when still. otherwise one is not a good driver of the car.

Of course one will talk as required. However as contracting into concepts reduces, mind naturally quietens. 

That said, just because a person discusses and debates Advaita does not imply "immaturity", as mind, body and life are in no way related to Self.

Somehow people have a feeling that it is some kind of "spiritually superior state" to not debate :)

No doubt. But that is not Vichara. That is spiritual materialism, ie shifting the egos desires from the material to whatever idea one has of "spiritual". Vichara relinquishes ideas.

if a person gets excited, agitated or unhappy in a debate ... that means such a person has some "error"/"problem", a strong vasana within ... which needs to be addressed. and a vasana cannot be addressed by keeping away from it... when i face the vasana then alone can it be addressed. for example : suppose i am afraid of darkness... by avoiding darkness i only do not allow the vasana to arise. it is only when it arises that i can address it. same way, if a debate makes one agitated, better not run away from it ... face it!

Advaita is not a form of self-improvement, although often mistaken as such. Mind, body and life are not I, they can be ignored by the mature aspirant. RM.: "Similarly to take no notice of the ego and its activities, but see only the light behind." 

Having said that, there is a place for self-improvement, but that is for the person unwilling to undertake, or incapable of, Vichara.

and if a debate does not agitate the person... such a one should be perfectly fine to debate / not debate !

If there were no inclination to share/discuss/debate spirituality then one would not join a forum :D especially given that it takes time to even register !!


General Discussion / Re: THIS FORUM
« on: February 16, 2018, 03:01:51 AM »
On a personal note, communicating with others about the Teachings can be fruitful and enjoyable. However, inquiry does tend to quieten mind and steal away that habit. Sometimes a subject sparks my interest and I would like to thrash it out, but not so often these days.

General Discussion / Re: THIS FORUM
« on: February 16, 2018, 02:58:34 AM »
Thanks for all the replies....The most lively thread I have seen in a while.

On the matter of registering new members. It's been over 4 months since the last member was registered. I bet there are pending registrations from October 2017.

Regardless, it would be good to have a longer term member who visits the forum at least every couple of days have administrative access. They could register members within a week or 2 and clean up any spam should it occur.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Vichara
« on: February 14, 2018, 01:48:02 AM »
RM.: The Self is that where there is absolutely no I-thought (ego). That is called Silence. 

RM.: The ego is itself unreal. What is the ego? Enquire. The body is insentient and cannot say 'I'. The Self is pure consciousness and non-dual. It cannot say 'I'. No one says, 'I' in sleep. What is the ego then? It is something intermediate between the inert body and the Self. If sought for it vanishes like a ghost. All that is required is only to look closely and the ghost vanishes. The ghost was never there. So also with the ego. It is an intangible link between the body and Pure Consciousness. It is not real. So long as one does not look closely it continues to give trouble. But when one looks for it, it is found not to exist.
*is it not marvellous how clearly Maharshi explains the illness and the cure

General Discussion / THIS FORUM
« on: February 10, 2018, 03:50:02 AM »
There hasn't been much communication here at the forum over the past couple of months. 

I notice it's been 4 months (as I write) since the last member (Chakrs) was registered. Whoever is the Administrator of the forum isn't registering new members as they apply. I think we need a new Administrator. Perhaps a member who visits the forum regularly.

The home page also needs a tidy up. Archive old/unused categories and reformat the colour scheme and layout etc.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Vichara
« on: February 09, 2018, 09:42:39 AM »
RM.: Reality is simply the loss of the ego. Destroy the ego by seeking its identity. Because the ego is no entity it will automatically vanish and Reality will shine forth by itself. 
RM.: If we turn inwards inquiring "Where is this I?" all thoughts (including the I-thought) will come to an end and Self-knowledge will then spontaneously shine forth.

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