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Dear Beloved Abstract ,
        :P what do u mean Alients taught him ... He taught Aliens ...

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Dear Ravi ji,
         Thank you for the links, ill listen to them later in the evening today :)


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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 14, 2017, 05:33:11 PM »
Yes Ravi ji,
    I heard his talks on Aksharamanimalai. i cannot understanding tamil, so have heard the english lectures.
even my father was deeply impressed listening to his lectures
it has definitely changed me a lot.

Love!
Silence

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 14, 2017, 04:55:17 PM »
Dear Ravi ji,
          :)

Nice joke.

In telugu umberella is called "Godugu" .

Most of our disagreements are definitely vocabulary differences , i have no doubts about that.

that said, there is really no need to take these discussions or disagreements too seriously. I treat my day to day life as a long dream, these discussions are even less real if at all. When there is sincerity , even if there are a few wrong ideas, those will soon dissolve in the presence of God. infact some times different views may help people at different stages of life as well.

I have heard the story of Bilvamangala. He was so attracted to a prostitute that once when there was a storm and very heavy rains he could not but meet the prostitute. so he went in dark night and along the way he found a boat to cross a small lake/pond and then he reached there to and caught hold of a rope hanging from her balcony to reach her, since she could not hear the door knock.
the bewildered lady asked "how did you reach here"
and he explained the whole story. when they went here to see they saw a python hanging from the balcony , it was not a rope. and then they saw a dead body for the boat. she simply said "even a little bit of this kind of attraction for God would have liberated you"
and that one comment changed his life for ever.

yes all that attachment was unreal ... but even all these statements are unreal... ultimately what matters is somehow one wades  their way through all this and dissolves in the Self to live in bliss ever after.

Love!
Silence


 

 


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Dear davidwidmann,
           :)
There are two different lifestyles. A lifestyle does not make one wise, be wise and choose your lifestyle.

there is a saying : sukha tyagi, krishna bhogi, nrpa janaka raghavau ... sukha maharshi was a great saint and a lived like a total renunciate. he did not even wear dress. Krishna was also a jnani of highest order but he was involved in all kinds of activities. he was amidst all types of pleasures and yet never touched by any of them - as if ready to drop all of that nay moment without a sigh. Janaka and rama were kings. they handled kingdoms and yet were at total ease.

We are too eager to change our lifestyle, but its not the lifestyle that makes one a saint ... not today nor was it earlier.

Ramana, after liberation , allowed his prarabdha karma to take its course. He did not try to do anything about it ... Spontaneously he left. there was no doubt whether to do this or that. that is not for everyone. and its not going to arunachala that makes ramana special... having resolved himself in Arunachala, one can choose what ever lifestyle they find comfortable to be with -as long as its dharmic.

Love!
Silence

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Dear Anil ji,
          :)

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, for I am not interested in such totally worthless discussion with someone who is bent upon forcing his misguided ideas and concepts on others

Or is it that you are finding a "Confrontation" of your "Standard Accepted Ideas" too bothersome ? Too troubling ?

I am not forcing you sir, how can i force. i asked questions :)


I have another question: Why should a diversity of view not be allowed in this thread ?

Love!
Silence

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Dear Anil ji,
         :)

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What a sheer wastage of time you have forced upon me!

I am not forcing it upon you Anil ji. That too in an online forum :) you need not answer.

I have not extracted from Atmavichar's post, i have selected another statement from final talks and asked lets see holistic fashion what these two can mean.

and more importantly :
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I wonder whether this sort argumentation is your only sadhana

:) again : Anil ji, did i even once speak about you and your sadhana ? :) talking about people when discussing ideas is not correct.
we are not discussing u vs me.
we are discussing some ideas and seeing them ...

Love!
Silence

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Dear Anil ji,
        :)

nashta-manasa is not Bhagavan's invention. Its there in viveka chudamani, some old upanishads even.

And you said : "there is no other adequate means other than this Self-enquiry to do away with the ghost called ego-mind."

I completely agree to this. But .... i would rephrase it as :
"A method that does away with ego-mind is called Self Inquiry" ... that is the definition itself.
and so ... if nashta manasa is known before Bhagavan, that method should have also known before bhagavan , isnt it ? :)

and it should have been told atleast ?  Otherwise there is no adequate means to it !!


I reemphasize : It is not uniqueness of teaching that makes Ramana Special ... it is the illustration of living it that makes him special :)
I already pointed out Vijnana Bhairava verses that say exactly self inquiry.
i can give many more quotes like that ... i find them every where in the scriptures actually ... in the nidhidhyasana works ... esp : yoga vasishta, tripura rahasya, ribhu gita, ashtavakra gita etc.

Ramana's teaching need not be different or unique ... the way he lived it is absolute wonder ! Perhaps even Sankara would not have illustrated as much through simple living alone [without even speaking] as Ramana did.
That is where the greatness lies.

Love!
Silence

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Dear Anil ji and Atmavichar ji,
     :)

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I advise doing japa to the Self, either by repeatedly thinking about it or by repeating affirmations such as ?I am the Self?.
This affirmation is the greatest mantra of all. If you can do it continuously, without interruption, you will get results very
quickly. There is no greater japa, no greater sadhana than this.

he says  "no greater sadhana"
do you agree to this ?

We need to have Annamalai Swami in a Holistic fashion right ?

Love!
Silence

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Dear Anil ji,
       :)

Our differences were three fold:
1. Self Inquiry is not concentration or intense effort. you urself agreed to this .
2. "I AM the Self" can also be Self Inquiry. We disagree on this as of now.
3. Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi has not said something new. For this I gave some examples from Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, you might have read. There are many more.

I think if we agree on the previous post on Self Inquiry that its only a means to be without I ... so when i do self inquiry instantaneously i resolve into I-less being ... though i have to may be do it again and again, i am sure we can easily see that (2) and (3) are also true.

Love!
Silence

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Dear Friends [Anil ji, and every one else],
        :)

There is only one description of Self Inquiry.

Bhagavan puts it crystal clear in Upadesha Saram :
manasantu kim margane krite naiva manasam marga arjavat

the direct path ... which is the way he referred to self inquiry ... is to see there is no mind... naiva manasam  ... no mind , no i ... how ?
margane krite ... seeing , directly ... whence is the mind arising.

one cannot find a mind, one cannot find an I .

there is no "going deeper", no "diving in" etc here ...
[Anil ji, i have no objecting to using of that word if it does not mean concentration. after all any word one uses is incorrect to an extent]

one clearly and openly sees there is no me! This is an empty boat.
and once this is seen one eventually remains established as Awareness, what is there to be done ? what is to be reached ?
who is there to reach in the first place ?

Here and now.

There is nothing like ill do more, i have to do more ... more effort is needed etc. These are all perpetuating ego.
no one to do anything now ! this is the effect of self inquiry. if perchance one were to feel unhappy , inquire again and dissolve. do this until the ego stops popping.

This is as simple as it is.

this dissolution can happen through rama nama or question who am i , i do not have any reservations on that.

Love!
Silence


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BTW ... i thought you had a problem with Annamalai Swami's statement ? did you remove your objection because of authority of Annamalai Swami ji ?

you said earlier:

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it is well-known that Sri Bhagwan didn't enjoin, in general, the 'I am Brahman' meditation or the 'neti-neti', saying that they are mental

and annamalai swami said:

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I advise doing japa to the Self, either by repeatedly thinking about it or by repeating affirmations such as ?I am the Self?.
This affirmation is the greatest mantra of all. If you can do it continuously, without interruption, you will get results very
quickly. There is no greater japa, no greater sadhana than this.

Are you saying Annamalai Swami ji has a different teaching than Ramana ? :)

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Dear Anil ji,
     :)

By I AM if you are talking of Awareness .. you cannot concentrate on it.
it is not an object.

Simple and straight.

since it is not an object, if someone has taken some object to be "I AM" , the individuality will remain :)

If it is not to be concentrated upon ... then yes , i would have said the ego has no alternative but to dissolve in the Awareness / I AM. But then concentrating upon it is not possible.

Love!
Silence

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Dear Anil ji,
       :)

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  I always used to submit that all practices finally culminated into Vichara. However all practices are not Vichara to start with

:) is concentration  asking "who am i"  vichara to start with ?

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Even the sequence, ?To whom has this thought come? To me,? is based on ignorance of the truth. Why? Because it is verbalising a state of ignorance; it is perpetuating an erroneous assumption that there is a person who is having troublesome thoughts. You are the Self, not some make-believe person who is having thoughts.

:) Annamalai Swami ji.

The point is : when one starts with "i am unhappy" and inquires "who I is"
that which leads to dissolution of the I is Self Inquiry.
anything that leads to its perpetuation is not.


Love!
Silence

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Dear Anil ji,
        :)

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Dear devotees, 'Just Be' is to remain as Pure Consciousness 'I Am'.  The experience of 'I Am' is to be still. Therefore, what other stillness or just state of being is being talked and discussed about here in this forum so enthusiastically?

:) You should tell me. Pure Consciousness cannot be "Concentrated upon "! thats why it says remain as I AM, infact there is no effort there. cessation of effort is the way ! you told me earlier that:

? you have yourself said elsewhere

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Holding or clinging to the consciousness 'I' is attending or paying attention, with a keen mind, (Attention is reflection of the Power of the Self) to the awareness of Existence-Consciousness, 'I Am', which no one can deny, and thereby gaining greater and greater intensity of CONCENTRATION upon it

Love!
Silence

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