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Prelude to Verse 4:

The world is unreal and uncertain - its a dream. But what matters is not this logical conclusion but is it a dream for me or not. because the logical conclusion means nothing really. every drunkard is convinced that drinking is bad. he has all the logic and yet cannot stop drinking. so its not about a logical position one takes at all.

Traditionally Sruti-Yukti-Anubhava is said to be the means to liberation. Sruti constitutes hearing the scriptures from a guru. Yukti is often translated as reasoning... recently however i heard Swami Tattvavidananda Saraswati ji explain it slightly differently ... he said Yukti derives from the same Yuj root from which Yoga derives. Meaning Yukti is really to be one with the vision of the scriptures. To start looking at the world through the vision provided by the scripture. Who does not know, logically, that everything is dying ?  and yet if we start looking at the world a continuously dying, we come to experience a totally new world. This is yukti. i start to look at my own mind through the vision provided by the scriptures and anubhava is to consequently remain. Anu: following. Bhav to be. Having looked at the world from this position, be the Truth. That is the way i tend to look at this.

verse1 and verse 2 are merely telling us that the world is only a myth. verse 3 has started to tell us how we can make this understanding real for ourselves. how we may live it in the day to day life so that we see the world as a myth. To see god is to look at the world as a dream. the two are the same. so the verse 3 says leave the world and start seeing God. The world is real is called materialism as long as i think that the world is real, i am not seeign god. the moment i see the world as unreal, that unreality of the world is the God , because the God is the presence which enables the unreality to be seen. when i see the snake as an imagination, there and then is the rope upon which the snake is seen. the very place where the snake is seen, there itself is the rope.

but we tend to reimagine the snake and fear again ... and so again and again one needs to correct the errors in perceptions until one is no more prone to that error. this is what is meant by the 3rd verse where Bhagvan says offer to god, meaning start seeing god through every action. offering to god means what? to dissolve it in god! so start seeing god.

now in the 4rth verse Bhagavan is going to tell the various means to include this into our day to day life. how do i start looking at the world as unreal and god alone as real in my day to day life ? This is what is being explained in the next verse...

 

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General topics / Re: The World Is Real
« on: March 23, 2018, 12:52:06 PM »
Dear Nishta,
   :) That is misunderstood basically.


Are you sure our definitions are the same for world, illusion, real, unreal etc?


edit: same as my definitions, that is

Dear Nishta,
         :) The definitions do not matter in this scenario.
The statement you posted are exactly the ones i was using in my explanation :)

Love!
Silence

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General topics / Re: The World Is Real
« on: March 20, 2018, 11:52:47 AM »
Dear Nishta,
   :) That is misunderstood basically.

There is one place where he said : 1) world is unreal, 2) brahman is real, and 3) world seen as brahman is real ... but this does not mean the world is real. when i say the snake seen as rope is real it means snake is not there at all :)

This is actually called "baadhaayaam saamaanaadhikaranyam"

In darkness i see a stump of tree and take it to be a thief. and then to such a person its said "the thief is the stump alone" , that is like saying "all this here is indeed brahman" ... another example: in twilight i see a snake on a rope, and then am told the snake is only the rope. this is actually a negation ... the reality is of the rope, not the snake. the statement "thief is a stump",  "Sthaanurayam purusah" is actually correcting an error in perception where the stump is  mistaken to be a thief or a person. We are not qualifying the word "Sthanu" or Stump with the word Purusha or person/thief here.
The setence only negates the idea that there is a thief out there, and only stump remains.
Similarly when one says "all that is here is purusha/brahman", everything is swallowed or devoured, and the brahman remains.

In Bhagavan's three statements 1) world is unreal is told to a person who sees the world is real. then the person asks what is real ? 2) brahman... but he still does nto see brahman , where can brahman be seen ? 3) here , all this is brahman alone ... which is to see all this as pure presence ... motionless , changeless ... changeless in and through the changes because the changes are unreal. so what do u mean by the world ? if it is brahman its real but it is not names forms and changes [brahman is changeless], if it is not brahman , names, forms , changes they are all unreal. 


Love!
Silence




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General topics / Re: The World Is Real
« on: March 18, 2018, 08:47:48 PM »
:D

Nishta! this is a really big illusion :P

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Dear ksksat27,
     :) I have not read this text, do you have some references ?

Love!
Silence

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Dear gopalgtg ji,
              :) Live in the world retaining your calmness.
no need to tell others or convince others of your spiritual understanding. Let it show through life and living and not through any talk.
Sri Ramakrishna says that before cutting a jackfruit one should oil one's hands so that the juices do not stick to the hand. same way before starting out on your daily life, just spend a few minutes in meditation. in the initial stages it would be useful to do guided meditation. I would strongly recommend:
https://palousemindfulness.com/meditations/bodyscan.html

do this every day and live a normal life ... calm life, happy life. as you grow with knowledge everything naturally falls in place

Love!
Silence

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 20, 2018, 11:59:51 AM »
Annamalai Swami ji is pretty clear : stop believing that i am this body or the mind. There is no "I" in the body/mind.
Bhagavan : the body and mind have no person "in" them. Awareness does not either. see where is the "I" .
Sri Ramakrishna: it is like peeling an onion, if you keep on peeling there is no "center". if you search for i there is no i

All of them are saying just the same thing.
Just the same Truth... different styles of expressing.

if instead i say ... ill concentrate, ill please a god or ill stop my thoughts etc ... well ... they would say that i may continue these practices until one day by the grace of God i see what they are saying and drop off. :)

Love!
Silence

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General Discussion / Re: THIS FORUM
« on: February 20, 2018, 11:55:50 AM »
Dear ksksat27,
         :)

How did you rule out the possibility that it is a "devotee ego" :P that wants Bhagavan to be "Superior" or "Different" from Advaita Vedanta ? :)

Love!
Silence

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General Discussion / Re: THIS FORUM
« on: February 16, 2018, 10:41:35 AM »
Dear Nishta,
          :)

I do not agree that Inquiry "steals" away the habit. When the mind is totally still one may not feel like even speaking. but then, when one starts to involve in the world, one speaks and also acts. when mind is kept still for a long time, it tends to remain motionless. thats all that happens. but spirituality is not about motionless-ness of mind ... mind is like a car ... one needs to handle the mind. when moving and when still. otherwise one is not a good driver of the car.

Somehow people have a feeling that it is some kind of "spiritually superior state" to not debate :)

if a person gets excited, agitated or unhappy in a debate ... that means such a person has some "error"/"problem", a strong vasana within ... which needs to be addressed. and a vasana cannot be addressed by keeping away from it... when i face the vasana then alone can it be addressed. for example : suppose i am afraid of darkness... by avoiding darkness i only do not allow the vasana to arise. it is only when it arises that i can address it. same way, if a debate makes one agitated, better not run away from it ... face it!

and if a debate does not agitate the person... such a one should be perfectly fine to debate / not debate !

If there were no inclination to share/discuss/debate spirituality then one would not join a forum :D especially given that it takes time to even register !!

Love!
Silence

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General Discussion / Re: THIS FORUM
« on: February 15, 2018, 12:49:40 PM »
Dear ksksat27,
           :)
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so here you go...i gave some food for debates in above lines... :)  :)
:) thats very good. thats how discussions can take place and people can mutually benefit.

1. But What makes you think Traditional Advaita is different from Bhagavan's teachings ?
2. How did you come to this conclusion ?
3. Did Ramana ever say his self inquiry method is new ?

Love!
Silence

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General Discussion / Re: THIS FORUM
« on: February 14, 2018, 05:04:53 PM »
Dear Nishta,
        :)

Do we see the practical reasons why this forum is not very active ? most of our friends here are in monologue mode , not in a dialogue mode, leave alone debates!

i personally feel that unless we question, discuss, disagree and even debate lot of things will not be learnt.
and if i cannot tolerate a debate, that means i cannot handle a debate retaining calmness and that itself is a reason for me to involve in debate and try being calm... thats the only way i can work on that vasana.

Subramanian sir writes but mostly monologues. you have a thread where replying disabled ! :)

If one is only interested in a monologue why a forum , why not write in one's own blog ?

Love!
Silence


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Friends,
       When we try to understand or appreciate Bhagavan, we should take a holistic approach to the teaching.
When Ramana said one thing and one place and another at a slightly different place, we need to properly study it conjunction, not by ignoring one part and accepting only one part. This is a standard approach : resolve "apparent" contradictions. That is how we would gain a proper understanding of what Bhagavan was teaching. The reason we see such problems is because language is limited. Self Knowledge is a Vision, when a sincere student approaches the teacher, the teacher tries to help the student see what he is already seeing. It is like a person who has taken a shadow for a ghost. The teacher sees it as a shadow, the student sees it as a ghost. The teacher wants to make the student see it as a shadow. Simply saying that is a shadow is not going to help... he is seeing a ghost following him.

This thread is a discussion thread on the aspects of Bhagavan Ramana's teachings that have an apparent difference ... at one place we see one statement and at another place we see a slightly different answer ... ill bring these out from the sayings of Ramana and then we will see how these apparent contradictions are best resolved. This would help us gain a clearer understanding of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi's teachings.


Love!
Silence

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General topics / Re: peace and love
« on: December 29, 2017, 08:34:51 PM »
But there are two levels of operation:
The "Relative" or from the stand point of imagination ... for example if someone asks "please give me your passport" we do not reply "that is a fancy imagination of yours" !
:)

the other of-course is where you revel.

Leaving, returning , leaving etc ... i have gone through this game and i know that it does not matter ... if not here, the mind imagines up some other place where one writes or if no where it could be in the head ... so why leave at all ? Let the story continue as it does ...

after-all its only an imagination and there is no need to give it much importance. but may be if we keep meeting like this online ... we may keep reminding each other not to take all this seriously ... often people do fall into the trap of taking life seriously , and most of us are not exceptions to it

Love!
Silence

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General topics / Re: peace and love
« on: December 29, 2017, 08:29:25 PM »
Dear Beloved Abstract,
         :) You are a wise person and I understand that the story you are talking about is something we all tell ourselves.
All this is also such a story we are imagining continuously.

In Yoga Vasishta there is a story of mind :

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The story of Mind, From Yoga Vasishta:

There is a formidable and desolate forest in which there was a man. He was with a thousand hands and eyes. Apparently very confused, he would strike himself violently with iron bars and run about crying. Running about like that he fell in a dark well with a hidden way out.

It took him some time to find his way out and then he slowly got out of the well into a thorny forest. Then again, departing and beating himself often, running and laughing he managed to enter a cool forest of plantain trees.

but he did not remain there for long. There also he started beating himself and running, he fell into the same well again ! He was as though drunk or semi conscious!!

Vasishta ji says: Having seen this for a long time , i held him by force ... and jolted him to consciousness. I then asked him " What is this ? Who are you? Why do you run in vain ?", thus asked, he said:
"I am no body, i do nothing. You are my enemy. Having seen by you, i am lost! Then , laughing, he gave up his limbs all around"
Thus in that forest, many men like him dwell, wandering about. That forest is there even today.

Sri Rama: Sage! What is that great forest ? What is it that they are intent on doing ?

Vasishta replies:

In this great forest of worldly existence, minds indeed wander about. They are lead by me , by discrimination, to supreme tranquility. Some, by disregarding me, fall down into hells. The forest of plantains is heaven. the affliction by sorrow is the thorn. "I am lost", when he said this, it was the cry of ego ... the feeling of me and mine ! The beatings are the blows of fancies or imaginations. They are indeed caused by oneself. The mind is reduced to a state of bondage only by its own imaginations and impressions. Like a silk worm in the cocoon one binds oneself by one's own imaginations and super-impositions.
This story of mind has been narrated to you. Contemplate on it with the mind , using this discrimination observe the mind and reject the fancies or imaginations of mind.

prahaaraaH kalpanaaghaataaH kriyante svayameva hi |
sa.NkalpavaasanaajaalaiH svairevaayaati bandhanam|
mano liilaamayaiH bandhaiH koshakaarakR^imiryathaa ||

प्रहाराः कल्पनाघाताः क्रियन्ते स्वयमेव हि।
सँकल्पवासनाजालैः स्वैरेवायाति बन्धनम्।
मनो लीलामयैः बन्धैः कोशकारकृमिर्यथा॥

The beatings are the blows of fancies (or imaginations). They are indeed caused by oneself. The mind is reduced to the state of bondage only by its own net of impressions of imaginations, just as the silk worm in the cocoon confines itself by bonds with ease.


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Dear Nishta ji and Beloved Abstract ji,
         :) can we start another thread where this may be discussed.
This is very important and useful discussion.

Love!
Silence

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