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Dear Anil ji,
         :) yes I have had the privilege to listen to Kabir Das Dohe. They are simply fantastic.
As regards Atma Nishta, thats my attempt too :) ...
if this is not lived, is not my life wasted ?


General topics / Re: Aksharamanamalai
« on: November 01, 2017, 02:24:08 PM »
Dear Jyoti ji,
      :) what happens when my daughter calls me but mispronounces my name ?

Sri Ramakrishna says :

"It is enough to have yearning for God.  It is enough to love Him and feel attracted to Him: Don't you know that God is the Inner Guide? He sees the longing of our heart and the yearning of our soul.  Suppose a man has several sons.  The older boys address him distinctly as 'Baba' or 'Papa', but the babies can at best call him 'Ba' or 'Pa'.  Now, will the father be angry with those who address him in this indistinct way? The father knows that they too are calling him, only they cannot pronounce his name well.  All children are the same to the father.  Likewise, the devotees call on God alone, though by different names.  They call on one Person only.  God is one, but His names are many."


Dear Anil ji,
        :) Yet another beautiful verse from kabir ke dohe !

The beauty of the whole thing lies in : ishvaro gurur atmeti murti bedha vibhagine , vyomavat vyapta dehaya sri dakshinamurthaye namah...

the difference between ishvara, guru and atma is only in the forms, like vyoma or space , in all these forms there is only sri lord Dakshinamurthi!

so whether a devotee discovers this common "background" in ishvara, guru or atma its just the same. once that common thread is discovered, one sees that its the same in ishvara, guru or atma. often its difficult to recognize it in atma because when we look within we are caught up in our mind and mental activities. hence if we seek out a guru , he will be able to guide us see this and then the difference is only in forms ... as Sri Ramana says :
isha -jiva-yor veshadhi bidhah sva svabhavatah vastu kevalam ... between ishvara and jiva the "vesham" [vesh] or the "form" alone is different in essence there is only One!


General topics / The story of Mind, From Yoga Vasishta
« on: October 30, 2017, 04:53:07 PM »
The story of Mind, From Yoga Vasishta:

There is a formidable and desolate forest in which there was a man. He was with a thousand hands and eyes. Apparently very confused, he would strike himself violently with iron bars and run about crying. Running about like that he fell in a dark well with a hidden way out.

It took him some time to find his way out and then he slowly got out of the well into a thorny forest. Then again, departing and beating himself often, running and laughing he managed to enter a cool forest of plantain trees.

but he did not remain there for long. There also he started beating himself and running, he fell into the same well again ! He was as though drunk or semi conscious!!

Vasishta ji says: Having seen this for a long time , i held him by force ... and jolted him to consciousness. I then asked him " What is this ? Who are you? Why do you run in vain ?", thus asked, he said:
"I am no body, i do nothing. You are my enemy. Having seen by you, i am lost! Then , laughing, he gave up his limbs all around"
Thus in that forest, many men like him dwell, wandering about. That forest is there even today.

Sri Rama: Sage! What is that great forest ? What is it that they are intent on doing ?

Vasishta replies:

In this great forest of worldly existence, minds indeed wander about. They are lead by me , by discrimination, to supreme tranquility. Some, by disregarding me, fall down into hells. The forest of plantains is heaven. the affliction by sorrow is the thorn. "I am lost", when he said this, it was the cry of ego ... the feeling of me and mine ! The beatings are the blows of fancies or imaginations. They are indeed caused by oneself. The mind is reduced to a state of bondage only by its own imaginations and impressions. Like a silk worm in the cocoon one binds oneself by one's own imaginations and super-impositions.
This story of mind has been narrated to you. Contemplate on it with the mind , using this discrimination observe the mind and reject the fancies or imaginations of mind.

prahaaraaH kalpanaaghaataaH kriyante svayameva hi |
sa.NkalpavaasanaajaalaiH svairevaayaati bandhanam|
mano liilaamayaiH bandhaiH koshakaarakR^imiryathaa ||

प्रहाराः कल्पनाघाताः क्रियन्ते स्वयमेव हि।
सँकल्पवासनाजालैः स्वैरेवायाति बन्धनम्।
मनो लीलामयैः बन्धैः कोशकारकृमिर्यथा॥

The beatings are the blows of fancies (or imaginations). They are indeed caused by oneself. The mind is reduced to the state of bondage only by its own net of impressions of imaginations, just as the silk worm in the cocoon confines itself by bonds with ease.

« on: October 30, 2017, 04:50:09 PM »

prapa~ncotpattireva.N hi baalakaakhyaayikaakramaat |
raajaputraaH trayaH santi shuuraa asati pattane ||

प्रपञ्चोत्पत्तिरेवँ हि बालकाख्यायिकाक्रमात्।
राजपुत्राः त्रयः सन्ति शूरा असति पत्तने॥

The origin of the world is indeed like this, in the manner of a tale narrated to a child (by the mother). There are three brave princes in a non-existent city).

Of these three, two were never born and the other one never indeed was stationed in a womb.

dadR^ishuH gagane vR^ixaan bhuktvaa svaadu ca tatphalam |
sarittritayamaaseduH pathi kallolamaalitam ||

ददृशुः गगने वृक्षान् भुक्त्वा स्वादु च तत्फलम्।
सरित्त्रितयमासेदुः पथि कल्लोलमालितम्॥

Once having gone out with the object of acquiring the best, they saw in the sky trees possessing fruits and having eaten those sweet fruits they reached three rivers crowned by large waves , on the way.

There [amongst those riverse], one was completely dry and there was not even a little water in the other two. Having bathed there and sported in the water, and having drunk the water... The three reached a city about to be (of the future), and the end of the day. There they saw three beautiful mansions. One was without walls and pillars, the other two houses were non-existent. There they obtained three pans (vessels) made of molten gold. In those pans they prepared food and served it to brahmanas who were without mouths ! Then they themselves ate the remnants and stayed there happily.

dhaatryaa hi kathitaametaa.N nirvicaaradhiyaa yathaa |
baalo nishcayamaayaati vicaarojGYitacetasaam |
iya.N sa.Nsaararacanaa.apyavasthitimupaagataa ||

धात्र्या हि कथितामेताँ निर्विचारधिया यथा।
बालो निश्चयमायाति विचारोज्ज्ञितचेतसाम्।
इयँ सँसाररचनाऽप्यवस्थितिमुपागता॥

Just as a child attains conviction in this tale narrated by the mother due to a thoughtless [unreflecting] mind, this creation of the worldly life too has assumed existence to those from whose minds reflection (or enquiry) has left (or dropped).

Vijnana Bhairava Tantra - A Perfect Meditation Method:
Verse 48.
dehaantare tvagivabhaaga.N bhittibhuuta.N vicintayet|
na ki~nchidantare tasya dhyaayannadhyeyabhaagbhavet ||

देहान्तरे त्वगिवभागँ भित्तिभूतँ विचिन्तयेत्।
न किञ्चिदन्तरे तस्य ध्यायन्नध्येयभाग्भवेत्॥

One should meditate on the body as only enclosed by the skin with nothing inside. Meditating in this way one attains the One who cannot be meditated upon (ie, Siva)
This is not imagination .... this is the truth as it is ... at some level if we think there is a body ... then the body is like a room ... if i knock at the room ... there should be someone within to respond ... if the room is empty ... there is no response ... this is the form of meditation suggested. i leave the body like an empty room .. all sensations or perceptions are like knocking at the doors of this room ... with no one to respond ... there is total Silence :)
infact there is no one if one gains a little clarity ... manasantu kim, margane krite naiva manasam marga arjavat says ramana .... which means having inquired what is mind and when tries to see its source one discovers that there is no mind and this is the most direct path ! This is Self Inquiry :) Explained another way.

Vijnana bhairaga Tantra has about 112 meditation methods ... all of them are unique and direct ... many of them lead to Self Inquiry if properly understood :)

Sri Ramakrishna Puts it beautifully in his simple style :

MASTER (to M.): ?Every now and then I think that the body is a mere pillow-case. The only real substance is the Indivisible Satchidananda.
--> Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna , Chapter 44.

General topics / Importance of Scriptural Reasoning -- Yoga Vasishta
« on: October 30, 2017, 04:37:19 PM »
Yoga Vasishta says that mind cannot be brought under control by simply bringing it back to onepointedness again and again. One has to equip oneself with proper scriptural reasoning and only then will one be able to control the mind.

उपविश्योपविश्यैकचित्तकेन मुहुर्मुहुः।
न शक्यते मनो जेतुँ विन युक्तिम्-अनिन्दिताम्॥ [Laghu yoga vasishta 28.126]

By repeatedly bringing the mind back to One-pointedness, it cannot be conquered unless one is equipped with faultless reasoning [scriptural reasoning in the context]

अङ्कुशेन विना मत्तो यथा दुष्टमतङ्गजः।
विजेतुँ शक्यते नैव तथ युकत्याविना मनः॥ [Laghu Yoga vasishta 28.127]

The mind cannot be brought under control without the application of reasoning even as a cicious elephant in rut cannot be controlled without using the hook.

Thats why Vasishta suggests:
अध्यात्मविध्यधिगमः सधुसँगम एव च।
वासनासँपरित्यागः प्रणस्पन्दनिशेधनम्॥
एतास्तु युक्तयः पुष्टाः सन्ति चितजये किल॥

Study of Scriptures, Company of the Holy, renunciation of desires and control of vital energy are the perfect
means to conquer the mind [LYV 28.128 & 129 first line].

Harih OM!

Dear Anil ji,
             :) Your selection of Kabir Dohe are really very good.


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 29, 2017, 04:51:49 PM »
Dear Ravi ji,
          Thank you for the videos and the comments.
yesterday something interesting happened ill let you know in more detail a little later. Right now need to allow this understanding to settle a little to be able to explain it properly. 


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 29, 2017, 04:49:29 PM »
Dear Nishta ji,
          :) nice observation. its true : holding onto self is really to not hold onto non-self. :)


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 27, 2017, 02:29:05 PM »
Dear Ravi ji,
Thank you for the response.
I am waiting for the RKM response.

My guru ji told me that there is no difference :) ... he questioned me "what difference do you see between your ishta -daivam and Gayathri (as Self) " ? he was questioning on my advaita understanding... and obviously he is right.

Actually ... Dhyana for me is not a 30 mins in morning activity, its about continuous living , but i do sit down every day quietly for some time in the morning and evening and japa is one of the things i want to include. So whenever i try to include it, this question always pops up ! I personally like japa as i find it to be very useful mental training. Lets hope to see what RKM has to say.


General topics / Re: Aksharamanamalai
« on: October 27, 2017, 12:14:14 PM »
I agree with your observations on this Ravi ji.

General Discussion / Does Anyone Recognize this chant ?
« on: October 27, 2017, 12:00:24 PM »
Hi Friends ,
        In the following short clip from an extraordinary movie on Sri Ramakrishna , at 4:07 , a chant is used by Totapuri to help Sri Ramakrishna to enter meditation. It ends with Tasmai namo brahma niranjanaya ... does any one know where we can get this complete chant ?


General topics / Re: Aksharamanamalai
« on: October 27, 2017, 11:45:37 AM »
Dear Ravi ji,
          :) I really understand the import of what you are suggesting.

This is a purely personal question really -- just linked to the context.

For example: i have been chanting a particular mantra of my ishta daivata ... not very often but off and on.
and then my guru gave me gayatri ... he ensured that i chant it properly by making me repeat it in proper intonation.[very kind of him]

now i am in a fix. i do see that chanting gayathri calms the mind ... but when i chant my ishta daivata mantram i do have a feeling that i am connecting with my ishta daivata , which is not there in gayatri ...

i was seeking your advice on that. perhaps out of place to link it to this post , sorry for that. I have also posted this question to Ramakrishna Mission let me see what they have to suggest.


General topics / Re: Aksharamanamalai
« on: October 27, 2017, 11:35:57 AM »
:) this is also my personal doubt Ravi ji.

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