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General Discussion / Re: Gems from The Holy Mother,Sri Sarada Devi
« on: December 18, 2019, 07:50:36 AM »
Everything, no doubt, happens by God's will, yet man must work because God expresses His will through man's action. Do not relax your spiritual practices.


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Arunachala / Re: Deepam timings 2019
« on: December 10, 2019, 04:15:02 PM »
https://youtu.be/1FpM-lp-J0I

@ Sri Ramanasramam live now (10 12 2019 17:15 hrs IST)


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Arunachala / Re: Deepam timings 2019
« on: December 10, 2019, 06:57:41 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBNXrU1l8Fc&feature=youtu.be

It is live right now...we may get to see this holy event unfolding.


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Arunachala / Re: Deepam timings 2019
« on: December 10, 2019, 06:51:12 AM »
https://www.zee5.com/channels/details/dd-podhigai/0-9-ddpodhigai?keyword=dd%20podhigai%20live&matchtype=e.&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9MmszP2p5gIVViQrCh37yg6yEAAYASAAEgKmvPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

This is the online link to DD Podhigai (Tamil TV channel)...and it is expected to telecast the Deepam festival Live at IST (Indian Standard Time) 16:00 hrs -18:05 hrs today (10 12 2019)

Do watch out and check if this link is working.


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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 08, 2019, 04:15:47 PM »
Atma-vichar/Friends,
"There must be a great battle going on inwardly all the time until the Self is realized. This battle is symbolically spoken of in scriptural writings as the fight between God and Satan."
Looks like this passage is figuring in 'Conscious Immortality' and attributed to Sri Bhagavan.

This sort of a statement does not seem to bring out correctly what Bhagavan would have said...if it alludes to the battle between the Devas and asuras,in most cases the Devas were vanquished by the asuras and forced to take refuge in Lord Vishnu to bail them out!
Bhagavan never ever advocated fighting the 'bad' thoughts with 'good' ones.He never advocated any struggle with thoughts.He only advised self enquiry or self surrender.Both tantamount to the same thing (Non attention to thoughts).

Namaskar





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General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: December 05, 2019, 06:50:09 AM »
Why does a child cry on coming out of its mother's womb? With its cry it says, as it were: 'Just see where I am now! In my mother's womb I was meditating on the Lotus Feet of God; but see where I am now!'

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

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Arunachala / Re: Deepam timings 2019
« on: December 04, 2019, 06:38:36 PM »
you may like to view the day to day posts on the Deepam (2019) here: https://omarunachala.com/
I am not aware of any live coverage of the Deepam as yet....Namaskar

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mind doesn't cooperate
« on: November 13, 2019, 10:21:07 PM »
One of the easiest and ever accessible 'holy company' or 'wise association' is reading books like 'Talks with Sri Ramana maharshi' 'Day by Day with Bhagavan' 'Letters from Sri Ramanasramam' 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna' ...doing parayana of the Hymns that Sri Bhagavan has composed on Arunachala like Akshara Mana malai...Listening to devotional songs and discourses...there is plenty of help and resource available...We need to avail of these resources and not restrict ourselves to 'our own ways' or 'our own sadhana'...It is better to recognize that we need help and take help like we do in other domains of living.

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mind doesn't cooperate
« on: November 13, 2019, 10:13:17 PM »
"When the mind doesn't cooperate to repeat a mantra in that case what is the alternate  to do so that we are peaceful and not think about that situation?"

Satsangha or association with the wise is ever the best way out...why?

Here are some excerpts from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:

1.The Master looked at the householder devotees seated around him and said with a smile: "Why shouldn't it be possible for a householder to give his mind to God? But the truth is that he no longer has his mind with him. If he had it, then he could certainly offer it to God. But, alas, the mind has been mortgaged-mortgaged to 'woman and gold'. So it is necessary for him constantly to live in the company of holy men. When, he gets back his own mind, then he can devote it to spiritual practice; but first it is necessary to live constantly with the guru, wait on him, and enjoy the company of spiritual people. Either he should think of God in solitude day and night, or he should live with holy men. The mind left to itself gradually dries up. Take a jar of water, for instance. If the jar is set aside, the water dries up little by little. But that will not happen if the jar is kept immersed in the Ganges."

 
2.Prayer and holy company & Earnest longing

MASTER: "Prayer and the company of holy men. You cannot get rid of an ailment without the help of a physician. But it is not enough to be in the company of religious people only for a day. You should constantly seek it, for the disease has become chronic. Again, you can't understand the pulse rightly unless you live with a physician. Moving with him constantly, you learn to distinguish between the pulse of phlegm and the pulse of bile."
DEVOTEE: "What is the good of holy company?"
MASTER: "It begets yearning for God. It begets love of God. Nothing whatsoever is achieved in spiritual life without yearning. By constant living in the company of holy men, the soul becomes restless for God. This yearning is like the state of mind of a man who has someone ill in the family. His mind is in a state of perpetual restlessness, thinking how the sick person may be cured. Or again, one should feel a yearning for God like the yearning of a man who has lost his job and is wandering from one office to another in search of work. If he is rejected at a certain place which has no vacancy, he goes there again the next day and inquires, 'Is there an vacancy today?' 
"There is another way: earnestly praying to God. God is our very own. We should say to Him: 'O God, what is Thy nature? Reveal Thyself to me. Thou must show Thyself to me; for why else hast Thou created me?' Some Sikh devotees once said to me, 'God is full of compassion.' I said: 'But why should we call Him compassionate? He is our Creator. What is there to be wondered at if He is kind to us? Parents bring up their children. Do you call that an act of kindness? They must act that way.' Therefore we should force our demands on God. He is our Father and Mother, isn't He? If the son demands his patrimony and gives up food and drink in order to enforce his demand, then the parents hand his share over to him three years before the legal time. Or when the child demands some pice from his mother, and says over and over again: 'Mother, give me a couple of pice. I beg you on my knees!' - then the mother, seeing his earnestness, and unable to bear it any more, tosses the money to him. 

"There is another benefit from holy company. It helps one cultivate discrimination between the Real and the unreal. God alone is the Real, that is to say, the Eternal Substance, and the world is unreal, that is to say, transitory. As soon as a man finds his mind wandering away to the unreal, he should apply discrimination. The moment an elephant stretches out its trunk to eat a plantain-tree in a neighbour's garden, it gets a blow from the iron goad of the driver."


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goodns,

"Somewhere I read that Father/Mother would know the child's calling regardless of how the child calls. I will remember it"

Here is the saying of Sri Ramakrishna:
"It is enough to have yearning for God.  It is enough to love Him and feel attracted to Him: Don't you know that God is the Inner Guide? He sees the longing of our heart and the yearning of our soul.  Suppose a man has several sons.  The older boys address him distinctly as 'Baba' or 'Papa', but the babies can at best call him 'Ba' or 'Pa'.  Now, will the father be angry with those who address him in this indistinct way? The father knows that they too are calling him, only they cannot pronounce his name well.  All children are the same to the father.  Likewise, the devotees call on God alone, though by different names.  They call on one Person only.  God is one, but His names are many." -The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

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goodns,
"I have a question and I hope that it does not sound silly"

No,not at all....it is indeed a very pertinent one and Anand has indeed responded well to it...'Arunachalam' refers to the 'Rupa' or the abode of the Divine ....it refers to the manifest divine in the form of the 'hill'....and Arunachala is the 'nama' or name of the Divine ....The 'Rupa' and 'Nama' of the divine are not different from the Divine and essentially serve to usher  the devotee into the Presence of the Divine....this essence is what is referred to as the 'Tatvam' and 'Arunachalam' is also this 'Tatvam'.

'Arunachala siva,Arunachala siva,Arunachala Siva,Arunachala' is the Refrain in the Akshara mana Malai....and in the very first verse it is said that when there is this dwelling in the Presence (Heart) as 'Arunachalam' ,the ego is rooted out.

For a devotee ,the very recall of the abode 'Arunachalam' can invoke this presence....just like the very word 'Chidambaram' had a strong pull for the pariah saint Nandanar...this is why all the 'Sthalams' are sacred and pilgrimages are undertaken by the devotees so that their minds partake of the spiritual ambience associated with these places and later on recall the presence and dwell in it...and are as such highly recommended by all Sages.

This sort of a pilgrimage also aids in revealing a taste for the Divine Nama....and prevent the 'nama Japa' from becoming a 'mechanical' exercise...so to sum it up ,we may recall the Holy abode 'Arunachalam' or we may do nama Japa of 'Arunachala Siva' and it is not one versus the other....essentially both help recall the Divine Presence irrespective of where we 'outwardly' happen to be located geographically.

Warmly recommend this fine article: https://www.advaita.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/The-Power-of-Arunachala-Michael-James-Arunachala.pdf

Namaskar

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: June 24, 2019, 05:55:10 PM »
atmavichar,
There is no such a thing as a 'Real person'...Each 'Person' carries an image of himself  with which he identifies ...and another 'person' may carry another 'image' of that...A Sadhaka has to learn to recognize and have the attitude that what is  'Real' in him is 'Real' in the other 'Person' as well...that one Reality alone manifests as the many.
Namaskar

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General topics / Re: Thirukural Thread
« on: June 19, 2019, 03:44:46 PM »
எப்பொருள் யார்யார்வாய்க் கேட்பினும் அப்பொருள்
மெய்ப்பொருள் காண்ப தறிவு...............Verse 423

Tiruvalluvar is using the specific word here 'மெய்ப்பொருள்' and he is referring to Sat or Reality....He is only referring to the upanishadic statement :
'Ekam Sat,Bahuda Vadanti' ...meaning that Reality is one that is variously expressed in many ways by different Sages....Only that is Intelligence that discerns this Reality as one despite being described in many ways.

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ksksat,
"people glorify clarity after deep sleep and ask us to focus on I after sleep etc.
but for diabetes people like me , these things dont apply.  first we don't get real real deep sleep always".


It is a helpful thing to observe and take advantage of....there is no 'Glorification' of any sort..Bhagavan does point out such an aspect so that the sadhakas can recognize it for what it is and take advantage....and no need to PAY attention to it....it is enough to be simply aware of this clarity and state of pure Being....and not STIR the mind even into thinking about it!....and least of all to allow the mind to run outward and fill it with cares and  anxieties and preoccupations....One may get up and do all the activities like brushing the teeth,having a hot cup of tea or coffeee or Take a bath,or whatever ...All such activities may take place while the mind stays centered.

The Waking up and the quality of sleep depends not just on the Physical condition but also the state of the mind and the Thoughts that were nurtured and accumulated before going to sleep in the first place...It is not as if Sleep can magically undo all the accumulations...so,it is important that there be no regrets, anxieties or negative emotions before going to sleep...Everyday,the account book should be tallied and closed properly....Ofcourse Problems and challenges will be there and may defy immediate solution ....but what need not be there is the associated stress and unrest...this can definitely be set aside and the challenges may be taken up the next day at an appropriate time...this sort of a discipline can be instilled into the mind and must be done.

What to do if 'Sleep' is not forthcoming?...even Swami Vivekananda had such a problem!...The best thing that one can do is not to 'worry' about it and not to question its absence ....just turn into an opportunity to find time for sadhana (whatever it may be)....just 'Let Go' and Simply Be...Be in smarana ...do not count how many hours you slept...you will find that this practice would set aright the Balance and bring in the needed Rhythm...The mind will stay calm and cheerful and fit to take on the responsibilities without being overwhelmed.

Namaskar

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ksksat,
Udai Garu has given a nice response... but then it is only when we get to observe and get a handle on our own that we can truly pick our way and proceed in an assured manner.

"now come to practical difficulty and biological thing"
Indeed this is taken into account in my response...this is the reason that i have referred to Bhagavan's cancer and the excruciating pain that it caused ...Bhagavan did acknowledge 'Yes,there is pain' but he never said 'I am in pain' or 'I am suffering'.....Pain is sensed by the mind based on  the stimuli by the Body's defence mechanism informing that there is something wrong with the body and it needs attention...and it is very very PRACTICAL to respond in whatever manner to mitigate that pain through appropriate treatment...but apart from just responding and taking appropriate action, the mind is vexed that such a thing has happened ,that the 'Pain' is unbearable,that it is not going away,that there is no cure,that this sort of a thing has to be endured for a lifetime (long or short)...this is the 'sufferer' ,the 'ego sense'...The Ego sense does not exist apart from this sort of an association....and this is how the 'wrong identification' comes about...and this is perpetuated through all the experiences (positive and negative) that we undergo and we take the 'experiencer' as 'I'... and it is this 'I' that is now posing all the questions to solve the 'problems' that it has created!...So,the very first thing that can be done is to begin doubting this very 'I' !...this is the gist of what i have already posted....This is very very Practical and 'doable'.

Although what has been stated above is 'doable' ,in pragmatic terms (In practical terms ,i suppose that you are getting the Diabetes treated) it is helpful to understand the play of Gunas....the mind is always in a state of Flux and is under the sway of these Gunas...I do not wish to elaborate much on this ...it is enough to recognize the operation of the Gunas....once we learn to recognize the play of the Gunas,we can take recourse to the appropriate sadhanas to stay 'Afloat' and oriented in the Right direction without being swept away...this is important so that we do not reduce ourselves to 'formula Sadhana' and make things more difficult for ourselves....so what is needed is alert vigilance and alertness and endless patience ...when the satva Guna predominates,everything seems clear and 'Practical'...when 'Tamo guna' predominates the very same 'Practical' approach becomes inaccessible and everything becomes drab and standstill ....as if one has become worse than even an inert Stone! ...one has to stay oriented with the Full trust and confidence that the 'siege' will get cleared sooner or later...and instead of passively waiting for it to clear,one has to be up and doing ,engaging oneself in any positive activity ,be it gardening or a Walk in a garden,or whatever is wholesome and appealing ....use the 'Tamas' to 'Let Go' !...The INNER ATTITUDE has to be maintained that no matter whatever be the outer appearances ,one is a 'Devotee' totally in the Hands of the Divine and that the inner ruler Knows what is best and will get it done ....THIS IS ABSOLUTELY PRACTICAL.

The Fundamental attitude is to Realize that the whole purpose of life is to Realize this everlasting verity that is already bequeathed to us...we only need to claim it...and all other activities in Life is only subservient to this supreme objective.

This surely does not preclude us from enjoying all the innocent joys of life...we may enjoy the smell of Flowers,the coolness of a sea Breeze,the laughter of a child,the beauty in a wrinkled face,a  Game of Tennis or Cricket,Whatever be it....Sadhana need not be a kill joy...as Swami Vivekananda said 'The first sign of progress is that you become cheerful'!....indeed as Bhagavan said in his wonderful Appalam song 'சந்ததம் சலிப்பற சந்தோஷமாகவே அப்பளம் இட்டு பாரு' (Forever joyous sans weariness,fashion the appalam and see (for yourself!) ).

We are Divine in essence and no force can alter this Fact...Why should we think that we are 'unworthy' or  'unfortunate soul' etc etc and get further caught in the mire of our own creation?....Swami Vivekananda used to call out 'Aye! Away with all this'!....and Bhagavan woud say 'என்ன ஓய் ' (What 'Oye' ?)...So,irrespective of however bleak the APPEARANCE ,Reality has nothing to do with it...Carry on with the sadhana cheerfully always recalling Bhagavan's mantra : 'சந்ததம் சலிப்பற சந்தோஷமாகவே அப்பளம் இட்டு பாரு'...Wishing you the very best.

Namaskar

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