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Dear All,

Shall we retire this topic? I am sure Ramana Ashram would have taken action against the erring employees. Even if they haven't, it has been my experience that the ones in the office area are generally very compassionate and respectful of animals and sadhus.  It is the workers - the uneducated ones who have not imbibed Bhagavan's teachings - who are cruel. Besides there is karma, Arunachala is watching and he will take care in his own way and in his own time.

I remember on one visit to Tiruvannamalai, I was standing near the kitchen door, when the supervisor of the kitchen supplies area, suddenly stood up and hit his very loyal dog which was lying near by. The dog did nothing wrong and was the sweetest dog I had seen. The dog cried out in pain, got up, took a few steps and sat down facing him, looking very lovingly at this awful caretaker. It happened in full view of Arunachala and in Bhagavan's ashram. I did not report it but a few months later, this caretaker was dead.  He was walking home after work, when a snake fell on him from a tree above. He had a heart attack and died a few days later. Arunachala and Bhagavan know how to teach us our lessons. So let's leave it to them.

Child of Arunachala

Namaste Krishnaji,

Good to hear from you, too.

Spirituality isn't just about writing volumes about Arunachala or Bhagavan, or maybe even give speeches, go on a foreign (sorry, phoren) tour.

It is about: "Has your heart softened and your mind become pure." You can see that by how you respond to other human beings, animals, trees, and plants. I think I just proved my point in the exchange above.

I hope you have been well. Take care.

Child of Arunachala

I am not sure why you are getting so defensive and angry. All that devotees are asking is that the workers who are not following the Ramana Ashram policy of love, respect and kindness should.

 I just checked the facebook page for Tiru Community is still there and the post by a westerner on August 16, 2017 at 6.01 a.m. is still there.

Here it is: 17  people have responded to the original post.   
Bubu Leni

August 16 at 6:01am

Dear Tiru folks, hoping all of you are safe! I want to speak for animals as they can't speak for themselves. Some of you may have noticed, others may not. Ramana Ashram happens to be a place where dogs get chased away with sticks, sometimes get beaten, and sometimes they die because of heavy beating. Several people who come every day to the ashram shared with me that they had witnessed such things there. Regularly. I understand dogs can sometimes cause problems, but I don't agree with beating them. There are certain people working for the ashram who treat them nicely and there are some who seem to delight in torturing them. I don't find beating a dog a solution. It actually is completely opposite to what Bhagavan Ramana was about. One dog died few years ago after being heavily beaten by an ashram guard. According to X-ray, his heart broke! And now, just recently, an ashram guard beat another dog so much that he died! I reported this to the office but I don't know what and whether something at all will happen. One thing I was surprised about was, when I mentioned the dog who died few years ago due to heavy beating by the guard, I was told by one of the ashram officers that "they make a big thing out of it" (meaning people). This is inexcusable. It is a murder. I understand keeping an ashram is a difficult task. But not taking any measures when an employee willingly kills a dog who is not any threaten to him is just a quiet supporting of animal cruelty.

Shanti Ramanan

Shanti Ramanan  Agree n we will also speak to the office bearers

4 ? August 16 at 6:06am

Bubu Leni

Bubu Leni  Thank you. I think many people witness it but don't talk about it because they don't want to get into trouble, or for other reasons, which I understand. Some may have tried to talk but gave up because of the attitude of the ashram office.

2 ? August 16 at 6:16am

Shanti Ramanan  Please talk to Dr murthy

2 ? August 16 at 6:24am
Bubu Leni

I left Tiruvannamalai recently so I can't talk to him anymore...

 August 16 at 6:24am
Nicoletta Sardina

This is so sad and sick. Thank you for denouncing and hopefully something can change
 August 16 at 6:08am

Ind Raj

Thanks to message and take care dogs

August 16 at 7:46am

Prem Shankar Pathak


Ram Kumar


Devānanda Sarasvatī

That's the problem with maintaining any kind of shrine or other big organization and property. Gradually materialistic values seep in and the original loving sacred atmosphere is lost. I founded an āśram once, thinking I could do a better job. But the same nonsense started happening despite my best efforts, so I closed it down and sent everyone home. Quantity dilutes quality, especially in spiritual matters. The bigger and more externally successful an organization becomes, the more it loses its original purpose and spiritual quality.

August 16 at 8:36am
Anna Etter

Thank you dear Bubu for talking about this! Just bringing these things to the light helps!

August 16 at 11:15am
Bookie Bowie

Agree. Killing a dog is murder they are also living being and Ramana Maharishi loved animals. But this thing the ashram does is opposite of Ramana .

August 16 at 11:18am

Prakash Raja

To my knowledge I see dogs everyday in the office entrance and some sleeping in the new hall inside mother's shrine. I personally haven't seen any beating. Could it b an one off ? I too am totally in disagreement if animals were mistreated.

August 16 at 11:56am

Bubu Leni

Prakash Raja Kokila Maryann Byrne I agree that dogs are allowed inside and they sleep there, get fed, etc. But certain parts of the day they are being chased away, out of the ashram. I personally witnessed it, not once. It is both. Good treatment some part of the day, and then chasing away (or beating) some other part of the day. And the beating may not be happening every day. But it does happen. It seems there are periods when the guards are being very "passionate" about having all the dogs out of the ashram, and then there are periods when they are more relaxed about it.

August 16 at 11:21pm
Kokila Maryann Byrne

I have been there many years and have never seen this. There are many dogs in the ashram who live there and are treated well. I am so sorry and surprised that this happened.

August 16 at 3:17pm

Polka Hound  Dear Bubu Leni , Sorry that you had to witness something like this, especially in an ashram setting. thank you for being the voice for the voiceless ones. I had heard about these stories - about dogs been beaten in the ashram but I had never personally seen nor did I trust the sources until recently when it happened to someone I know well. Not sure if you are talking about the same incident - a sweet dog died a month back due to internal injuries which was definitely due to the beatings it had received from one of the ashram guards. Why would someone beat an animal so hard? And why is this seemingly condoned? People with such a vicious streak really have no business being in an ashram.

2 ? August 17 at 3:57am

Bubu Leni

Dear Polka Hound, thank you for your words. Yes, I think we are talking about the same incident. And I completely agree with what you said!

Devānanda Sarasvatī 

There is a funny story in Rāmāyaṇa about a dog who was sleeping on a path and got kicked by an angry Brahmin. The dog went to Rāma and complained. The Brahmin was summoned and admitted his fault. Rāma asked the dog what the Brahmin's punishment should be. The dog said, "Make him the manager of such-and-such āśram." Rāma said, "That doesn't sound like a punishment." The dog replied, "I used to be the manager of that āśram. It is because I mistreated the inhabitants that I am now a dog."

Kesh Dass

August 17 at 10:29pm

people got angry with it for making a noise, Bhagavan would defend it, saying it was only doing its duty by the Ashram. There was at one time a small puppy that would always relieve itself on a nice smooth spot near the office. Chinna Swamy would get furious and try to drive it out of the Ashram, but again Bhagavan would come to the rescue, saying that if some child did the same thing nobody would be angry, and the puppy was only a child and knew no better.

August 17 at 10:41pm

Kesh Dass

in chinna
...playing out
ancient ancestral
was also
"only a child
and knew
no better"

 August 17 at 11:25pm

Chrissy Marden

I fully understand and know what your saying and truthfully I think the new guards at the gate should be told to back off. I also see how they treat poor people . They are bullies who have a chance to act out. Something should be done. Good Luck, Over the years I have seen many dogs an cats come and go from the Ashram and I am sure how they go is not always kind.

August 19 at 1:35am

Shankar Sundaram

The bhagavan Himself patronised many pet animals.

August 20 at 9:28am

Raajeswari Loheett

Seems like "I will preach but won't follow"

N. Raviji

What you are asking us to do is turn a blind eye. That is something we should NOT do.

The ashram management needs to ensure that all its workers, whether they are sadhakas or not, follow ashram policy of being kind and respectful to all, whether they are animals, sadhus, women staff or women in the poor feeding line. They should be fired if they are not following Bhagavan's teachings and ashram policy.

Beating a dog to death on Ashram premises!!! Treating the sadhus in a rude and abusive manner with our donations!!!. I am sorry I can't turn a blind eye to that. All workers need to comply with ashram policy.

Take care

Dear All,

There is a posting on the " Tiru Community"  Facebook page on August 16, 2017 at 6.01 a.m. about the beating of animals and ill-treatment of sadhus and poor people in Ramana Ashram. 

There is also something on the Arunachala Grace blog at

I personally have witnessed Sadhus and poor people, especially if they are women, being treated very badly in Ramana Ashram. Even the women workers in the kitchen are treated so badly by men cooks.  Complaints to the management have not helped.

The only way for us NOT to  incur the karma is to stop donations to Ramana Ashram until they treat the sadhus with love, respect and kindness. The same goes for the women and the animals.  They are all children of Arunachala, like we are. 

The donations we are giving is making these workers very arrogant and helping them to go on a power trip. Please let us put an end to it.

We want Ramana Ashram Management to ensure that the Sadhus, women workers, poor people and animals are treated with love, respect and kindness.  Arunachala and Bhagavan are in all of these people. Maybe they have come disguised to see how much compassion and respect we have for them.

with love to all,
Child of Arunachala

Dear Candace:

My sincere wishes to you and family on the passing of your father. He was an angel, wasn't he? He is now!!!

In addition to dying in Tiruvannamalai, he died on a Thursday, which is the Guru's day and at 4.30 p.m., which is considered pradosham time. There is a daily pradosham and bigger one every two weeks. Very auspicious.

I pray that Arunachala gives you the strength to live your life going forward. 


child of arunachala

Health issues / Re: Health issues
« on: March 22, 2016, 08:16:27 PM »
Dear Graham:

Unbelievable. My prayers are with you. 

Are you able to listen to the Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra with a headset daily for as long as you can.

This mantra is believed to cure every kind of disease, including attachments.  Like you said, the hardness in you has dissolved.

When I googled it, I found this:

I will offer my prayers to you to make the next stage of your journey easy - whether it is to be fully cured of this disease or to drop this body and merge with Arunachala.

Thank you so much for this forum and everything else you have done for devotees.

With love,
Child of Arunachala

Dear Graham,

It is funny. I logged in after a long time and this is the first post I saw.

Is this the person you are referring to?

A Google search of the name brought up many photographs. I have seen him on the Girivalam road and wondered.

Why would he spit into the chutney in the kitchen. It is Bhagavan's prasadam.  Is he crazy or was he angry ???

Any way nice to start reading this forum again. It seems like a long time... Life happened. Got really busy.

Regards to all

Child of Arunachala

General Discussion / Re: The Promotion of Arunachala Aksharamanamalai
« on: October 06, 2014, 03:57:00 PM »
Dear Subramanian Sir,

Interesting! I always love reading your posts. I hope you are not a spokesperson for the Ashram on this one. :-)

Stating again, Ramana ashram issuing an Indian postal stamp is n.o.t what I was referring to. I was saying figuratively putting a stamp on the Arunachala mountain and Tiruvannamalai as though who ever is spearheading this campaign owns them.... A lot of siddhars, saints and devotees have put in hard sadhana to win Arunachala's grace. Tiruvannamalai and the Mountain belong to everyone. The mountain is Arunachala Siva. Ramana Maharshi would not have been there had it not been for Arunachala's grace.

Take care is a very standard, respectful and friendly salutation in the west. Nothing nasty.

Like I said before, Bhagavan doesn't need any multimedia, aggressive, hit-smash-grab promotion - even if it has been contracted out.

Bhagavan's sweet, calm and innocent face says it all. Many of us have connected with Him without having to get into the politics of running the show or wonder where our donation dollars are really being spent.


Child of Arunachala

General Discussion / Re: The Promotion of Arunachala Aksharamanamalai
« on: October 05, 2014, 06:12:06 PM »
Dear Subramanian Sir (I almost forgot and wrote Dear Arunachala Siva and then corrected myself :-)

Ramana Ashram chanting the AA or getting a postal stamp issued is not what I am talking about.  I believe in India if you pay a certain amount of money you can get the postal authorities to issue a stamp in your memory.... it is different in western countries.  But that is not what I am talking about.

It is the deliberate dropping of the A* bomb in conversations, emails and public forums, even those unrelated to Bhagavan and insisting in subtle and not so subtle ways on the supremacy of Ramana over Arunachala that I am referring to. It is an clumsy orchestrated campaign that is annoying people rather than helping them become ardent devotees.

As for Narendra Modi, I wonder why you brought him up here :-) 

I think your Prime Minister should be commended for making it from a chai wallah to Prime Minister in the largest democracy in the world. At least we in the West think he has done a commendable job in 100 days. A very good start.  If he toots his own horn, he has reason to because he has put in the hard work. He is not riding on the coat tails of someone nor is he hiding behind someone great to make himself look good e.g saying "I am a Ramana devotee and I practice Bhagavan's teachings. Now how many more people can you bring to satsang today?" - I have heard people say this).  Can you see the difference?

Take care.

Child of Arunachala

General Discussion / The Promotion of Arunachala Aksharamanamalai
« on: October 05, 2014, 02:47:02 PM »
Dear All,

I am wondering if you all have noticed that there is an organized but very clumsy campaign to promote Bhagavan's Arunachala Aksharamanamalai. Ramana 'Devotees' suddenly drop, what is now being called, the 'A* bomb' in conversations, in emails, on forums even if they are not related to Bhagavan. It is like they are putting the Ramana stamp on the conversation or even worse, putting the Ramana stamp on Arunachala.

Maybe someone who stands to gain from the making and sale of CDs, donations, market share of devotees thought it was a great idea... but really it is having an adverse effect on many of us.

Bhagavan needs no promotion. His quiet, peaceful and sincere face says it all. 

Besides, let us be respectful of the other siddhars who have lived and continue to live in their subtle forms around Arunachala.

How about showing some respect for Arunachala? Bhagavan became who He is because of Arunachala not the reverse. 

I read somewhere that Bhagavan himself has said promoting him is not a seva or service to him. Going within and finding the 'I' would be the only service he expects from us. Let us not forget that. By organizing such campaigns, the masterminds are only revealing to the world where they are in their spiritual evolution even though they put up pretenses of being O! I am so Holy. IMO not very high up.

Just posting what many of us are beginning to feel and talk about this. So please, don't all pounce at me at once :-)

Child of Arunachala

Arunachala / Re: High quality photo of Arunachala
« on: September 28, 2014, 01:51:31 AM »
Dear Graham,

I can see that you have put in a lot of hard work into this. Thank you  and thank you for reconnecting us with Arunachala.  People often forget the Source and start worshipping the person who attained something by connecting with the Source. Then, when he/she is gone, they start worshipping the people who served this High Being......thus, going further and further away from the Source.

So, it is good to have these high quality pictures of Arunachala and to think of Him constantly even though we are far away. Thanks, Graham.

Om Arunachaleswaraya Namaha

General Discussion / Re: Nochur Venkatraman
« on: July 19, 2014, 12:41:33 AM »
I guess you use different IDs on this forum.

No. Please do not send me any more private messages or ask for telephone numbers.

Whatever it is you want to say, say it on this forum.  That said I don't read every post every day. So I miss many. Sorry about that

General Discussion / Re: Nochur Venkatraman
« on: July 18, 2014, 02:12:49 PM »
Dear ksksat27,

Ok! matter settled. We will not bring this up again. :-)

Congratulations on getting your diabetes under control. I know a few people who are diabetics and do girivalam regularly, one of them barefoot. He is nearing 80 years old but healthier now than he was 30 years ago when he was first diagnosed with insulin dependent diabetes. It is pretty amazing the miracles Arunachala performs on a daily basis.

Child of Arunachala

General Discussion / Re: Nochur Venkatraman
« on: July 18, 2014, 03:07:16 AM »
I am only now seeing this.  It is so funny.  ksksat #27 has deleted his/her posts asking for forgiveness.  Also gone are the separate thread he/she started warning us of the wrath of God if we didn't fall in line and the one confusing a real siddhar like coconut swami with the ones in training.

Well, all I can say is I hope you learned something from this.

Child of Arunachala

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