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Dear Sri Ravi; Yes, this is a peculiar dialog which does not make much sense without a commentary. (Not that with commentary everything will make sense). It is enacted like the hidden protocols of software.

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sguru: Are there any servers in the network?

d: Yes, Temple Servers and some other Servers.

--- Silence ---

d: So?

Commentary:
1. A server is a system which serves others. It has mighty power compared to normal systems. In spirituality, Server is a realised saint who emanates his / her spiritual power serving others by that mighty presence.

2. Incarnations of God are Servers of very high capacity. The representations of them like scriptures are also Servers. A temple represents a Deity who is a Server. In that sense a temple is also a Server.

3. Without a Server, a person cannot progress spiritually. There must be some influence of a Server, if not explicitly, in a hidden way. Servers provide the holy company to grow spiritually. The desktops log in the Servers and enrich themselves, enrich their functionalities.

4. sguru asks whether there is any Server in the network; because without Servers one can get drowned by mere philosophizing. Only virus cleaning will not do. Because while cleaning the virus, one is only introspecting within oneself, basically the ego. But to get a feel of the beyond, Servers are required.

5. The disciple says that there is Temple Servers in the network. So the disciple is not spiritually isolated within himself. He visits temples, immerses in that environment and there may be more involvement.

6. The disciple also mentions "other Servers". This indicates that the disciple has some personal guru, but he does not want to give further details. sguru also did not press for the details.

7. The disciple is therefore not the disciple of sguru. The disciple is associated with a separate guru. That is why he already knows many things. He is by no means immature. The disciple is holding dialog with sguru for the first time. So sguru is only like an upa-guru.

8. There was a silence because sguru did not speak. When holy company and advice is already flowing, what more can be said? Temporary despair is natural in spiritual life. The holy company and "other Servers" will help in getting over it. But the disciple is not yet ready to quit. Probably he wants one more Server to get added in the network. Therefore he says "So"?

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sguru: Was any virus cleaned?

d: Yes

---- Silence ---

d: So?

Commentary:
1. Next sguru wants to know whether any virus was actually cleaned. Virus scanning requires introspection and is a bold step. Virus cleaning is a bolder step.

2. With viruses of attachments present in the system, the actual programs may not run as intended. All the viruses cannot be eliminated. But the key ones which are directly affecting the "take off" need to be mitigated. The key software packages have inbuilt virus cleaners which will gradually purge the system. But those major ones that are not allowing the key packages to run need to be eliminated.

3. The disciple has actually cleaned some virus shows that the disciple is serious. Being serious the disciple seems to be dejected when his expectations are not met. Probably his expectations are more.

4. By default the virus scanner marks all relations which are not connected with God as virus. So initially parents, wife, children may all be marked as virus. However the mitigation of the virus is not difficult. It can be as simple as praying to the family deity that all family is under your protection. Now since the family gets connected to God, the virus gets mitigated. The virus scanner always challenges to examine each relation and other associations which can be potential attachments.

5. There was a silence as usual. Everything seems to have been done. Can anything further be done? The disciple still seems to have some more expectations from this dialog. Therefore he says: So?

To be contn ...


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sguru: Were the worldly attachments virus-scanned?

d: Yes.

---- Silence ---

d: So?

1. Next sguru ensures that a virus scan was run to scan for worldly attachments. Here the scanning function is different from cleaning function. First one should scan for the virus.

2. Worldly attachments are like viruses for spiritual development. God consciousness expands. But attachment viruses create their mini-worlds and drown the mind there.

3. There may arise doubts that in practical life involving relationships with parents, spouse, children and relatives, how can life proceed without some sort of attachment? May be there are good attachments like attachments to wife and children and bad attachments like attachments to drinking. Some attachments need to be there to maintain practical relationships. These doubts are natural and should not be solved in a hurry. One can take one's own time. Therefore virus cleaning is a separate process than virus scanning.

4. But how does a virus scanner mark something as virus? Maybe it is a simple relationship which it has marked as virus. Possibility of defects are there everywhere in software. Maybe the virus scanner itself is buggy.

5. However the virus scanner is not defective. It operates based on only one simple rule: Everything has come from God, so there is a natural relationship between everything. When God is kept as the bonding entity in a relationship, it is not a virus; else it is a virus. With this rule it may be thought that majority of relationships in the world are viruses. It may be so, but for spiritual aspirant relationships need to be connected with God.

6. The disciple said that he has scanned for viruses, so he has taken the bold step.
Now what still is lacking? That was the question lurking in silence. sguru did not speak for a long time and the disciple wanted more ground to break. Therefore he said: So?

To be contn ...

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sguru: Are the software running ok?

d: Yes

--- Silence ---

d: So?

Commentary:
1. Here sguru wants to know whether the software packages were lying idle after installation, or were they actually being run. Also was there any issue during installation which prevented the software from running properly.

2. When a software package is merely installed and kept, there is only Shravana (Listening). It stops there. Shravana by itself cannot bring transformation in the desktop of the being. It needs to be followed by Manana (Reflection) and Nididhyasana (Meditation). For that the software packages need to be run regularly atleast upto a predefined time duration. If the software is not producing any satisfactory result after that, it can then be uninstalled.

3. The disciple said "Yes". The software packages are running ok.

4. There was again a long silence. So what happened? The software is running but not producing result? That was the question lurking behind. sguru did not respond for a long time. So the disciple said: So?

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sguru: What software packages?

d: Bhakti, Enquiry and Service packages.

---- Silence ----

d: So?


Commentary:
1. Next sguru wants to know what software packages the disciple installed. Scriptures can mean a broad thing. Even black magic will fall under scriptures. So exactly what scriptures did the disciple read, and based on that what software packages did the disciple install. Were the scriptures and software packages relevant to spiritual development?

2. Here also the disciple showed maturity. He selected the software packages which he thought were directly relevant to his spiritual development and at the same time easy for him to run.

3. The Bhakti package aims to connect to God through devotion. The God Who is transcendent (as well as immanent) is worshipped in a form with particular attributes by offering the heart's devotion. In this way the human-divine channel gets awakened.

4. The Enquiry package enquires directly into the human-divine channel by enquiring into the I-sense.

5. The Service package serves humans by contemplating on their essential divine nature.

6. sguru again went silent. The correct software seems to have been installed. There is a good balance of karma, bhakti and jnana. So what still is lacking to bring greater satisfaction? The disciple also thought on this. Then wanted sguru to tell still something further. Therefore he said: So?

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sguru: What did you do after reading the scriptures?

d: I have installed the software packages in the desktop of my being.

---- Silence ----

d: So?


Commentary:
1. Here sguru ensures that after reading the scriptures the disciple was not sitting idle. What is written in the scriptures need to be practised. Therefore he asks - What did you do after reading the scriptures?

2. The disciple replied that he has installed the software packages. So the disciple himself is not idle and contended with mere reading of the scriptures. He has installed the software packages. Where has he installed the software packages? In the desktop of his being. When a software actually runs in the desktop of the being, it is expected to bring some transformation in the being. For example, it is a common practice to run a Japa module to bring transformation in the desktop of the being.

3. Next sguru again went silent. The software is installed. So what still is lacking? The disciple also contemplated on this. Then wanted sguru to tell something else. Therefore he said: So?

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sguru: Have you installed a firewall?

d: Yes, that was the first thing I did.

--- Silence ---

d: So?


Commentary:
1. Here sguru is ensuring that there was no unwanted intrusions in the system. The scriptures have been read in a distraction-free environment. They were read not only for the sake of completion of page counts, but there has been contemplation behind the reading.

2. The disciple says that he has installed the firewall first thing. So he was already aware of this. This also shows the sincerity of the disciple. He is sincere as well as prepared, in the sense that he has built his foundation on the contemplation of some key scriptures.

3. The Silence here again means sguru has not responded for a long time. The disciple also contemplated in that silence but required some further ground to break. Therefore he says: So?

To be contn ...

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This is a dialog between a disciple (d) and a software-side guru (sguru) on the subject of spirituality. The questions and answers are very brief. So a commentary is given below to understand the in-between thinking that is taking place. The questions and answers are taking place with a lot of silent contemplation in between.

The discussion starts as given below.


d: I have already read 1000 megabytes of scriptures. But still I am not getting the fulfillment I expect.

---- Silence ----

d: So?


Commentary:
1. The import is that the disciple has not approached sguru without any preparation. The disciple has already read 1000 megabytes of scriptures. Within that 1000 megabytes the disciple has already covered what he thinks are the key scriptures.

2. At this point the disciple has not gone for reading another 1000 megabytes because the disciple felt that reading further scriptures is repetition of the same concepts with different symbology. Therefore he decided to consult sguru.

3. It is not that the disciple has not found any fulfillment after reading the scriptures, but that he has not found the level of fulfillment he is seeking in life.

4. The Silence means that sguru has not responded. Silence is a potent thing, so in silence many things can get clarified by itself. But in this case even after a long silence the disciple could not get the clarity. Any more silence is not helping him. He expected a response from sguru. Therefore he says: So?

To be contn ....

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General topics / Re: What is truth? Who can know?
« on: October 25, 2017, 11:18:47 AM »
Reposting:

Observation: All the ones who spoke about immortal soul have died. They have suffered as everyone. Even if there is such a thing like pure self, how does it improvise your condition?

Adding to it: Often the ones who spoke about immortal souls died a harsher death and lived life like a beggar. The sufferings they faced in life seem to be more than that of ordinary people.

On top of this, many of them voluntarily embraced such life.

So, upon what premise did they stand? Or chasing what mirage did they live?

They say: They stand on the foundation which calms the mind during meditation. Otherwise, what hope is there of calming a mind through some meditational activities, when mind by nature is restless?

They also say: They stand on the foundation which is the cause of glory in any charitable acts. Otherwise what hope is there of feeling a good feeling while giving charity to bodily-unconnected beings when one's money is getting drained away?

But what about their haggard appearance in life and unnecessary sufferings? What about their chasing a mirage in life?

They say: They are not chasing any mirage. They have really found an extension within their soul which is very blissful. What fulfillment one gets through meditation and charities are all added up there. In fact it is the source. They no longer find interest in the show of outer life.

But what about final death? With all the big talks and philosophies, finally your refuge is the fire, or the soil. And by following you one will ruin their present life and may also end up being a beggar.

They say: Because of death, they are also in a hurry, to optimize the joy in this life. Doing piece-by-piece activities and deriving small-small joys is tedious. To optimize the process, they started searching for a source of joy where one can take a plunge. The call of their soul pulled them inside, and they were at least partially successful. They found a pool within the extension of the soul itself.

But what about practical life? One's own daily bread and daily bread of dependents.

They say: Some part of life-balance is ruined in the quest. That is why they are like beggars. For the married ones, sometimes their wives will run after them with a broom and hurl curses. Regular blows will also come from society. But what is discovered is the source of fulfilment and what they focussed upon.

Anchoring within the source of bliss, the beggar sips the juice like drinking the juice with a straw. One day the beggar will die but leave behind a quest for another soul with an inner call.

So we see that they wear the shirt of life in reverse direction. There is amazing diversity in creation.

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Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: July 21, 2017, 01:43:25 PM »
... continued
The man returned to cguru and said:
man: Maharaj, please bestow the full name.

cguru wrote the full name and again dropped it on his palm. Now the flowers which flew off returned to his palm. The uprooted trident came back and got planted again. The man looked around and observed all this. His mind was not in a position to analyze things. He looked over the sky and looked at the ground. And finally looked at his palm. He saw the face of his baby girl. Beneath that was written the name - "Mrityunjayi".

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Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: July 15, 2017, 10:44:37 AM »
... continued

cguru: Then receive the first part of the name.

The man took some flowers on his palm and placed the palm reverentially before cguru. He saw the face of his baby girl on his palm; smiling and adorned with many small jewellery.

cguru wrote the name and dropped it over his palm. Immediately the flowers flew off and got scattered over the ground. The man became confused with this omen and looked around. Then he looked at the name. The name written was "Mrityu".

The man was shocked. He said: Did I come here to receive a name or a curse? Then pressing both his ears with his hands and chanting "Hari", "Hari", he turned away and started walking. Immediately the trident got uprooted automatically from the ground and started following the man in the sky over his head. Seeing the trident in the sky above his head the man was confounded. He increased the pace of his walk. But the trident did not leave him and continued to follow. The man felt that the trident will follow him till his house and then harm the girl. This is because he has not kept his promise of giving the name. He thought: Where has fate brought me today? What have I done to deserve this? And how can I give such a name to my girl and spoil her life? The only she must have.

Being confounded by the turn of events, the man turned back and returned to cguru, as if by a force. His exuberance had died down. He thoughts have also subsided, and he was in a state of surrender to the fate.

... to be continued

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Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: July 11, 2017, 12:34:13 PM »
Hearing of cguru, one day a man came to get a name for his baby girl. cguru was sitting under the banyan tree. A short trident was planted on the ground beside him.

man: Maharaj, I came to get a name for my baby girl.

cguru: (After some pause) There is a name.

man: Maharaj, then please bestow that.

cguru: (Looking at the trident) The name is not common.

man: Maharaj, the girl is also not common. She is special, very beautiful and tender.

cguru: (Running his hands over the vertical part of the trident)  The name is not of this world.

man: Maharaj, same is the case with the girl. Her parents love her so much that her feet does not touch this world.

cguru: (Running his hands over the curved part of the trident) The name connects to place far off.

man: Maharaj, same is the case with the girl. Her mother says that she feels a cord connect her with the baby. Her relatives say that they hear her anklets from their houses far off.

cguru: (Now examining the sharpness of the trident) The name once taken must be given.

man: Maharaj, that is why I came here from so far.

cguru: (Looking upwards where the trident is pointing) This should be the only name.

man: Maharaj, after getting a name from your holy being, what need is there for me for other names?

... to be continued.

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Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: forum devotees and their fate
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:30:55 PM »
I do not know who came to this forum and who left. I only know that Subramanian was there, Subramanian is there and Subramanian will be there.

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General Discussion / Re: material pursuits and sadhana
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:25:38 PM »
Hi ksksat,

The issues you have raised are all valid and many who want to lead a spiritual life face these. You are trying to turn your life more towards spirituality but the activities of the world does not seem to fit with it. On top of it there may be some desires creating conflicts within the mind. These are all natural.

If you want a prescriptive solution, just follow these and your life will get internally organized soon:
1. Divide life into 12 year divisions. 12, 24, 36, 48 etc.
2. You are now in 3rd block. 2 years are still left.
3. In those 2 years, orient your life spiritually for the fourth block. Try to bring things in your spiritual life which gives joy.
4. Consolidate your finances by simplifying life and saving.
5. Do not leave job, but gradually cut yourself out of competition internally. When mind gets freed from competition, job becomes more enjoyable. You may get the right slot.
6. The fourth block of life should be primarily oriented towards the spiritual activities you had planned.

Sri Ramakrishna said:
The more you go towards the east the west will be left behind.

That is the most practical advice. The details will differ from person to person but the overall life will go towards God. Exams will come in life. Sometimes we will pass and sometimes we will fail. Exams are necessary for growth. With God in the heart exams can also become enjoyable.

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