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General topics / Re: What is Self Inquiry ?
« on: November 20, 2017, 04:13:35 PM »
Dear Ravi ji,
      :) what you wrote is very true.

BTW :D as an aside and in a lighter vein ... i am not fond of teaching sir. atleast not anymore. used to be.
now do not have time to think of it !

Sri Ramakrishna used to say that when a person is spiritually minded god sends him ways to reduce activity or work.
i hope he does that for me some day soon so that i can spend a lot of time sitting in meditation

Love!
Silence

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General topics / Re: What is Self Inquiry ?
« on: November 20, 2017, 11:11:40 AM »
Dear Ravi ji,
   :) True, i remember reading the corrections by sri ramakrishna in the gospel itself.

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It was not as simple as that...slowly the implication of 'the power of attorney' dawned on him and with gentle reminders and corrections on the part of the master and later on as life unrolled the way it did for Girish...Often he found the going tough...was plagued by bouts of doubt and despondency...what he was in for slowly dawned on him and he learnt to cope up with that and began living that....it was not at all easy and cosy...all this is covered in the fine biography by Swami Chetanananda.

But do we see something here ? When he gave the power of attorney he was free... when he took it upon himself he felt doubt etc. then again he would let go and experience freedom ... isnt it ?
whenever he took it upon himself , became a doer ... he suffered.
when he "dropped off" even temporarily, he experienced his own being and abided as Self.

The complexity is because of not dropping off. not because of difficulty in the suggestion itself. we somehow cling and do not want to leave our hold on this world and so we suffer. not because leaving is difficult but because we do not want to leave. we believe its unwise to leave our hold on worldliness ... while the truth is , even when we think we are controlling the world we have really no control. and in these matters its useless to tell agian and again that one should leave worldliness ... instead its wisdom that works ... so when we contemplate on the world and see that whether we agree or disagree ... everything is out of control ... wow! at once we notice that beyond the lack of control is a freedom not explainable in words !

the problem is we think this world is our savior ... its going to provide us with fulfillment ...
the solution is to see the reality of the world. see it again and again until we no more mistake ... this is called self inquiry by bhagavan !

Love!
Silence

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 19, 2017, 09:35:00 AM »
Dear Ravi ji,
       :)
There is a very interesting point to note here : Sraddha is not belief.
Srat dadati iti sradha , that which leads to truth, Srat is sat nama , the SAT is Sradha.

its an attitude of open-ness , in zen its called beginner's mind.

girish gosh was convinced that the worldly pleasures cannot give him the kind of intoxication that Sri Ramakrishna experienced day in and day out. He was totally disillusioned of the world ... though he probably could not give up his addictions since he did not find out the "TRUE Addiction" of Sri Ramakrishna, he was unhappy with the worldly pleasures. If we read his story this is obvious. That is wisdom ... it just means the wheel was cut off... it was only a matter of time before he drops off. thats why when Sri Ramakrishna said "give me the power of attorney" , he could do it ... because he knew that by being in control and trying to control he was not really achieving much ! When sri ramakrishna said "can you atleast chant God's name every day", he said no ... it was clear from it that he was already convinced that he had no control ... instead of feeling bad about it ... sri ramakrishna directed it towards surrender thats the beauty! We see again and again that Sri Ramakrishna had very keen insights into his disciple's lives ... and when i say this ... we are all included in his disciples list :P

Love!
Silence

 

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 19, 2017, 08:59:56 AM »
Dear Ravi ji,
       :) true

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.the relinquishing of the ego sense, the 'I' and 'Mine' by seeing its unreal nature and getting rid of it in toto ...Vichara and self surrender are one and the same.

very true. As i mentioned in another thread ...
Sri Ramakrishna told Girish chandra gosh to give him the power of attorney. And  that was really not different from self inquiry. for what does he do ? whenever his mind unconsciously took up ownership he would simply leave that ownership , surrendering it to Sri Ramakrishna and thus would "just be" :)

infact Sri Ramakrishna was also very clear on Self inquiry ... his onion example where he says finding out the "I" is like peeling an onion ... as one peels one finds that there is no "I" ... only He or God !

The style in which it is expressed is different ... but the same Truth has been expressed by everyone ... I mean all those saints who understood.

Love!
Silence

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General topics / Re: What is Self Inquiry ?
« on: November 19, 2017, 08:39:30 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana's ultimate teaching is : Just Be.
It is not Self Inquiry.
Just Be can also be due to complete Self Surrender to God.

But often what happens is , we tend to go into "doing" rather than simply being. The mind has a tendency to move out.
When we observe this, we immediately tend to say "mind should not go out, let me arrest it" ! This is the "doing approach" and this leads to further doing. We are caught in this world of "doing" ... we do not experience respite until we drop off from it and abide in being. This is the main point.


when i was a kid my father once playfully said that he was pushing the train. in my innocence i thought he really did it and that i could do it too and so would push the train very hard ... every now and then the train moved fast and i thought i was the cause for it, i was thrilled. and when it did not, i thought i needed to work harder at it. When the wisdom that i was not the one moving the Train arose in me ... that wisdom lead me to stop "doing". We often tend to stop doing by further doing because we approach it with will power rather than wisdom power. what we need is wisdom power.

We do not stop the mental tendency to move out  ["doing" ] by arresting it , focusing it etc. These are all still doings - and they are based on will power. The best way to resolve the mind is to make use of wisdom power rather than will power. it is wisdom power that enables one to just be. When bhagavan said inquire "who am i", its actually employing wisdom power ... he did not definitely mean that we should focus on something or somewhere and something shall happen. if we read upadesha saram carefully, we shall observe something fantastic about the way bhagavan presents it. the first two verses are all about "doings" ...
The third verse says "hence leave it all to God". Sri Ramakrishna said the same thing to Girish Chandra Gosh - he said give me the power of attorney and when he truely did it, he stood free not because sri ramakrishna gave him anything new but because he resolved into being rather than doing. In my opinion the third verse of upadesha saram is not merely karma yoga - leave it all to god means let things happen as they happen. for me to be able to say this i need to appreciate the first two verses of upadesha saram where bhagavan clearly explains that this world is a "kriti maha udau" [an ocean of doing that has no end, we will be caught in cycles ending no where]. this is wisdom. we need to understand this. This should not remain information. we need to take what bhagavan said and look into our own lives and situations in life... and clearly see that we have been moving in circles in the hope of finding some fulfillment. We need to contemplate life.

Bhagavan Ramana's teachings are to be used to contemplate on life. And when we contemplate life and see how things are really out of our control, how we are not really the drivers of this car :) ... we tend to disengage with the worldly life. disengagement with the worldly life born out of deep contemplation on the ways of the world is "wisdom" and self inquiry is really applying this wisdom again and again to move from doing to being. This is what self inquiry is. Self inquiry is really to see how there is no doer and thus leaving oneself as the Being.

When we observe that the world is totally out of control, and say "this is not my business" [as Annamalai Swami ji said], we automatically resolve. The world is totally out of control and it is therefore not our business. Having this attitude "its none of our business" is another name for self inquiry.

Self inquiry is not whether i ask "who am i" or "whence am i" or some other question . It is Self inquiry only when i move from doing to being again and again until the mind no more desires to go out ... and it is self inquiry only when this is done with wisdom power and not with will power as explained above. It , therefore, has to be accompanied by deep contemplation on the ways of the world and in its essence it is not different from self surrender.

Love!
Silence

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General topics / Re: What is truth? Who can know?
« on: November 19, 2017, 08:03:33 AM »
Thanks Ravi, I feel, if i can sustain enough faith so as to last till my life, that much would be enough!

But again, this faith in me happens to be "the spirit of living" and lesser, as a faith in God! At the same time this does not mean that I am standing here to prove the non existence of God or the unreality of Enlightenment of Self. I just happen to see in my life that there has been nothing more meaningful than living your life wisely and intelligently while it lasts, given with the acceptance that this life is mixed with some good and some bad elements, which we have to accept, face it and move on! I am just exploring to see, if there is something else really, to which we can strive for!

Dear Shivam ji,
        What is living life "wisely and intelligently" ? How do we "Accept that life is mixed with some good and some bad elements" ? and how do we face these ? More importantly how is "good" and "bad" decided ?

Love!
Silence

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 19, 2017, 07:57:42 AM »
Dear Ravi ji,
         :)

You are very correct in saying that mostly the differences are in vocabulary and the usage of the words rather than in content.

A small correction from my side [i should have articulated more clearly] , when i said "i perform my own inquiry" it was in response to ksksat ji's statement that "udai is a traditionalist" ... i was just trying to mention that i do not really fit into that. :) it was not in relation to Self Inquiry.

Self Inquiry : its 100% as explained by Bhagavan. :) There is no difference. 

Love!
Silence

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Excellent lecture: Ajahn Brahm.
Explains the essence of living in meditation in the most direct and simple way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isfuvHljSU4

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Dear Anil ji,
        :)

Please read my reply to ksksat27, above.
This is what i have been saying ... nothing more.

Love!
Silence

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Quote:
"if it is false why should it perish ? 
if it is real it cannot perish"





Dear Sri Udai, do you really not understand what Sri Bhagwan meant by the word 'perish' in the holy Utterance "The false 'I' must perish", and do you mean to say that you need to be explained what really the word meant?
Anil

Dear Anil

Uday follow traditional vedanta and the methods prescribed there in.  to my knowledge the false I and real I are very very illuminary revelations that only Sri Ramana brought to the world.  that is why he was called a Maharishi because in one sense his teachings were not earlier propounded in that same manner.

so coming to the topic,  the way Bhagavan Ramana and his disciples Sadhu Om , Muruganar has clearly stated his teachings is not exactly the one concurring with traditional vedanta methods .  though the goal is the same.  so it is not that useful to explain Uday or Uday explaining us because we are taking different paths within the fold of self enquiry.

Dear ksksat27,
         :) The traditionalists disown me as much as the others. :) I follow my own inquiry ...
I do accept the false-i, real-i idea ... i do not agree its originally by Ramana ... but then ... that much is fine ...

There a subtle difference in my outlook however. The fact that it is false means one need not fight it, one need not kill it. this is my main moot point. It has sanction in Annamalai Swami's lectures.
When i say "This is difficult" , i am actually giving it a reality. This reality is my belief and this belief in the reality of a false self and then if i go to fight it out, it is going to not work.

The path of Self Inquiry is really reverting back to relaxed "let-go" state again and again as long as there is a tendency to "do" !

Love!
Silence

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General topics / Re: Reality and Fact
« on: November 16, 2017, 10:46:37 AM »
Dear Shivam ji,
          :)

"I am inner consciousness that remains free and untouched" ... is a statement of knowledge, not the knowledge. this is information. one needs not the information but the insight.
its like saying love heals the lover. that is information. its ok to have information, but that does not release.
Another example is : everything is impermanent. this is said for ages, but if one understood it truely one is free. so information is not insight.

thats the reason why you genuinely ask "how does this help me" -- thats a honest person's expression that this remains information.

"This sound promising" is another way of saying the same thing Shivam ji.

The good part is the honesty , if you are open to it, it can be explored. the point here is that one cannot start with where Ramana was. We need to start where we are. We feel pain and suffering ... we need to acknowledge this and start here. we cannot say "pain is unreal" because Ramana said so ... that was Ramana's reality not ours. We need to discover that pain is unreal and then the information that pain is unreal becomes our insight our knowledge. and this is what i call is the vision of vedanta which we need to grasp - and its easy to grasp too.

Love!
Silence

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if it is false why should it perish ? :)
if it is real it cannot perish

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Dear Anil ji,
       :)

When you are in the sea searching for the water ... what one needs is not "doing" , but "knowing"
its not really about "doing something or getting rid of something"
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"The ego comes up only holding you (the Self). Hold yourself and the ego will vanish. Until then the sage will be saying, 'There is.' - The ignorant will be asking 'Where?'"

The problem here is of missing the Truth. Where is water ?
well, here is water, it has to be made explicit and clear.

The problem is of not knowing the Truth, not of being away from the truth.
We doubt that we are right now in the embrace of God. imagine accepting this ... imagine we have agreed ... what more needs to be done now ?

Love!
Silence

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what should the one who is already drowned and with pearls to the left, right, up, below ... do ? :P
where should he dive in and where should he look for the pearls ? search to the left , right or inside or outside ? and what is inside and what is outside when there are pearls everywhere ?

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Let me add to that...
1. placing attention on I AM is effort. resolving the one who places attention is effortless.
2. being awareness is not a task ... what else can one be ?
3. self inquiry is to just be ... again and again as there is a tendency of the mind to go outwards.
4. its total relaxed being. not an effort.
5. totally equivalent to self surrender. surrender again and again until its total self surrender.
6. to say i am affected by thoughts is a problem ... because we are strengthening the falsehood. thoughts cannot trouble us ...
instead when one feels thus, find out how can i be affected by thoughts and see that i am indeed not affected ... this is relaxed being.

these are my views on this topic ...

i do not think we differ a lot , other than perhaps in expression style
Love!
Silence

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