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General topics / Should I kill a wounded bug?
« on: August 07, 2011, 05:19:00 PM »
In the morning I saw something green in my pillow and I just thought it was a small garbage. So I grapped it with my fingers and saw that it was a small bug. I accidentaly injured its feet so that it cannot walk anymore. I feel bad about it and I don't know what I should do. Should I kill it because it may be in pain?

I remember reading that Bhagavan said that there is something beyond sat-chit-ananda. And He also said:

"The final stage of samadhi has to be reached in which one becomes ananda or one with reality. In this state the duality of enjoyer and enjoyment ceases in the ocean of sat-chit-ananda or the Self."

General topics / What foods and spices to avoid?
« on: July 14, 2010, 04:58:31 PM »
I know that meat is non sattvic food, but is there other foods that Bhagavan strongly suggested to be avoided? And are there some foods that He considered aid to spiritual life? And also, I like to use black pepper and hot chilie-sauces in food I eat, but do they cause restlessness in mind? And what about coffee and tee, are they bad for us?


There is already a topic about the author Michael Langford, who coined this term 'awareness watching awareness', but I would like to hear your opinion on his interpretation of Self-Attention.

Michael Langford describes the way he came to this conclusion like this.

 "... (I wondered) If “I AM” is this present awareness, just the awareness that is now looking at this room, then paying attention to the I AM is just: My awareness watching my awareness.

Atleast in my opinion this sounds true and is logical. And this is how he describes the practice itself: "Turn your attention away from thought and watch the watcher, see the seer."

When he first found this out, he asked Sri V. Ganesan (grand nephew of Sri Ramana) about this practice and he approved it saying that he calls it 'attention attending to attention'. Michael Langford also backs this interpretation by giving quotes from "The garland of Guru's sayings", by Sri Muruganar:

The only true and full awareness is awareness of awareness.
Till awareness is awareness of itself
, it knows no peace at all.”

“Is it not because you are yourself Awareness, that you now perceive This universe?
If you observe awareness steadily, this awareness itself as Guru will reveal the Truth.”

" If with mind turned towards Awareness and concentrating on Awareness, one seeks the Self, the world made up of ether and other elements is real, as all things are Awareness, the one sole substance of true Being."

" If instead of looking outward at objects, you observe that looking, all things now shine as I, the seer. Perception of objects is mere illusion."

"The ego image moves reflected in the mind's waves. How to stop this movement, how to regain the state of stillness? Don't observe these movements, seek the Self, instead.  It is wisdom to gain and abide in silence."

Also Michael James says that Michael Langford's intepretation is correct.

"The witness is that which says "I know". The person says "I do". Now, to say "I know" is not untrue, it is merely limited. But to say "I do" is altogether false, because there is nobody who does; all happens by itself, including the idea of being a doer. The universe is full of action, but there is no actor. There are numberless persons small and big and very big, who, through identification, imagine themselves as acting, but it does not change the fact that the world of action (mahadakash) is one single whole in which all depends on, and affects all. The stars affect us deeply and we affect the stars. Step back from action to consciousness, leave action to the body and the mind; it is their domain. Remain as pure witness, till even witnessing dissolves in the Supreme."

- I Am That

I'm already pretty sure about this, but wanted to get your assurance. So is the 'I'-thought same as sense 'I am' that Nisargadatta talks about.

E: I put this accidentaly here, it should be in "General topics".

General topics / How to do effort?
« on: May 16, 2010, 05:21:34 PM »
Ramana Maharshi said that His method can be summed: "Be Still" and as He said "To be still is not to think". Bhagavan also said that this takes tremendous effort. But to me it seems that to think takes effort and one doesn't need to do anything to be still or remain without thoughts. So how can we make effort to be still?

From some quotes I have got the sense that the Heart is different, or prior to Self. Here's an example.

"Know that the consciousness which always shines in the Heart as the formless Self, ‘I’"

Bhagavan also said that Self is in the center of the Heart.

General topics / Question about reincarnation
« on: May 02, 2010, 01:10:04 PM »
There was a time when there was not a single being in this universe. Now there are trillions. Where have all these souls arisen from? Or have all these souls always existed?

Sri Ramana Maharshi:

"What is essential in any sadhana [practice] is to try to bring back the running mind and fix it on one thing only. Why then should it not be brought back and fixed in Self-attention? That alone is Self-enquiry (atma-vichara). That is all that is to be done!"

So what is Self-attention. It cannot be attention to any object observed by the senses nor it can be attention to the mind because they are not Self.

General topics / Guilt
« on: April 04, 2010, 11:21:24 PM »
Hey, what did Sri Ramana say about guilt? In my life guilt has been a great obstacle and one of the main causes of suffering. For some reason, in my family's and relatives' lives guilt has had an enormous (negative) role and my brother even commited suicide because of the suffering caused by the guilt he carried.

One spiritual teacher said that guilt is never justifiable. I would like to believe that but I just find it very difficult. Even if I think ill willed or cruel thoughts, I feel horrible and when I try to just drop it, the feeling of guilt grabs me even harder.  So I would just like to hear your comments about this.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / About Self-enquiry
« on: April 03, 2010, 06:10:28 PM »
I just wanted to post these quotations from Sri Ramana and Sri Sadhu Om, because I felt them to be very helpful, good and simple instructions to atma-vichara. Also posting and writing this makes this practice clearer as for myself (Who?!!   :))

So, Sri Ramana Maharshi said that the thought 'who am I?' will destroy all other thoughts.
And I practiced two weeks according to this guy's instructions ( He instructs to say "Who am I?" and then when thoughts arise, ask again this question ("Who am I?"),  and then wait for thoughts to rise again and then ask "Who am I?" etc. But luckily I now stumbled across Sri Sadhu Om's book "The path of Sri Ramana - part one". And in it he says this is wrong approach.

"In Sanskrit, the terms ‘atman’ and ‘aham’ both mean
‘I’. Hence, ‘atma-vichara’ means an attention seeking ‘Who
is this I?’ It may rather be called ‘I-attention’, ‘Self-attention’
or ‘Self-abidance’."

Some who try to follow the former one, ‘Who am I ?, simply begin either vocally or mentally
the parrot-like repetition ‘Who am I ? Who am I ?’ as if it
were a mantra-japa. This is utterly wrong! Doing japa of
‘Who am I?’ in this manner is just as bad as meditating
upon or doing japa of the mahavakyas such as ‘I am
Brahman’ and so on, thereby spoiling the very objective for
which they were revealed! Sri Bhagavan Himself has
repeatedly said, “‘Who am I?’ is not meant for repetition
(japa)” !

Also in Nan-Yar Ramana Maharshi says "the thought who am I?' [that is, the effort we make to attend
to our essential being
] --
 If [we thus] investigate 'who am I?' [that is, if we turn our attention back towards ourself and keep it fixed firmly, keenly and vigilantly upon our own essential self-conscious being in order to discover what this 'me' really is],

And elsewhere he says: “Always keeping the mind (the attention) fixed In Self (in the feeling ‘I’) alone is called Self-enquiry’'

Also to one questioner Sri Ramana replied: "If the enquiry `Who am I?' were a mere mental Questioning, it would not be of much value. The very purpose of self-enquiry is to focus the entire mind at its source. It is not, therefore, a case of one `I' searching for another `I'. Much less is self-enquiry an empty formula, for it involves an intense activity of the entire mind to keep it steadily poised in pure Self-awareness."

And to another questioner he said:`Who am I ?' is not a mantra. It means that you must find out where in you arises the `I'-thought which is the source of all other thoughts.

Arunachala / (stupid) questions about Arunachala and chanting
« on: February 22, 2010, 05:14:03 PM »
Hi, in the past I've done a buddhist mantra and my reason for doing it was simply to make my voice deeper. I know that there can't be much more dumber or materialistic motivation, but otherwise I consider my self a serious seeker. I meditate atleast an hour every day and I think about Ramana Maharshi's and other Advaita teachers teachings almost all day long. I just suffer from low self-esteem and my squeaky voice makes it more difficult to be in social situations. So now I've been chanting Arunachala Siva recently but I'm wondering is it a little blasphemous to repeat God's name for such unholy purposes. So should I just go back to my old mantra?

And I've been thinking about putting a picture of Arunachala mountain as my wall paper. But this computer screen has over 60 icons (it has other users) and it would be like a picture of Krishna covered in soil so perhpaps it would be a little sacroligous too.(?)

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