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What do you find to be the best biography of Ramana Maharshi? I'm thinking of bying 'Timeless in Time', is it good?

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General topics / Ramana Maharshi on Jesus healing blind man
« on: May 30, 2010, 02:12:37 PM »
In the book Talks with Ramana Maharshi, Volume I, page 17, a person asks Sri Bhagavan

"Jesus Christ cured people of their diseases. Is that only an occult
power (siddhi)?" And Sri Bhagavan answers:

" Was Jesus aware at the time that he was curing men of their diseases?
He could not have been conscious of his powers. There is a story
related as follows: Jesus had once cured a man of his blindness. The
man turned wicked, in course of time. Meeting him after some years,
Jesus observed his wickedness and asked him why he was so. He
replied saying that, when he was blind, he could not commit any
sin. But after Jesus had cured him of blindness he grew wicked and
Jesus was responsible for his wickedness."



I have tried to found this from the Bible but haven't found it. Is it really there?

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General topics / Question concerning the path of surrender
« on: May 19, 2010, 07:56:27 PM »
Sri Bhagavan said that self-enquiry and surrender are the only two ways for realization. Now, when people asked what should they do when doubts, fears and desires arise, Sri Bhagavan replied "see who is it that all these arise to". These were (I assume) people who were on the path of jnana. But how should one who is taking the path of surrender proceed when doubts, fears and desires arise.

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General Discussion / Swami Vivekananda and freemasonry
« on: March 27, 2010, 06:19:57 PM »
I've been reading Swami Vivekananda's teaching and information about his life and I found out he was freemason. Altough I know little about freemasonry, this disturbs me a little because I've heard that satan worship, demonic rituals and other dark stuff is part of it. So what do you think about this and is my stereotypical view about freemansory totally wrong. And were any other famous advaita teachers freemasons.

thanks

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General topics / Is doing nothing meditation same as self-enquiry
« on: February 05, 2010, 03:13:55 PM »
Hey, some mindfulness teachers nowadays teach "do-nothing-meditation". In it one really just doesn't do anything.  It doesn't include enquirie (like who am I) but is it same as the meditation that sri Bhagavan thaught?

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General topics / Liberation not possible for everyone?
« on: January 06, 2010, 12:13:31 AM »
An excerpt from interview of David Goodman (diciple of Nisargadatta Maharaj):

 "We went back in, but I had no idea what to talk about. When everyone had settled down, Cary gave me a nudge and I suddenly found myself talking about why some people get enlightened and others not.

'Ramana Maharshi,' I said, 'got enlightened in a few minutes. It took you three years from the moment you met you Guru until you realised the Self. Other people try for fifty years and don't succeed. Why is it like this? Are the people who try all their lives and fail doing something wrong?'

Most other Hindu teachers would answer a question like this by saying that some people had more or less finished their work in previous lives and were therefore able to realise the Self very quickly in this life. This wasn't an option for Maharaj because he teadfastly refused to accept that reincarnation took place at all. This itself was a little strange to me because in the period that I used to visit him the dust jacket of 'I am That' reproduced a dialogue with him in which he explained in quite some detail how reincarnation took place. However, in the era that I visited him I never once heard him accept the validity of reincarnation, and he frequently said it didn't happen. My question was really, 'If one discounts the theory of reincarnation, which you seem to do, how can someone like Ramana Maharshi get enlightened with no desire for it, no effort and no practice, while everyone else struggles unsuccessfully for decades and fails?'

'It's the chemical,' announced Maharaj. 'Some people are born with a pure chemical and some are not. Those with a pure chemical get enlightened, and those with an impure chemical don't.'

'The chemical' was one of Maharaj's idiosyncratic analogies or metaphors. I think it was derived from the chemical on a roll of film. We are all issued with a 'chemical' at the moment of conception, said Maharaj, and that is our destiny for this life. In onesense it is like a roll of film, a script that has been given to us for this life. Traditional Hinduism teaches that we have prarabdha karma, an unchangeable destiny for this life that is an inevitable result of actions that have been performed in previous lives. Maharaj couldn't incorporate past-life activities into his 'chemical' theory, but he did have an alternative selection of factors to offer.

I can't remember whether it was during this particular conversation or on some other day, but I remember asking him about the components of 'the chemical'. He replied that it was a combination of a wide variety of factors: parents' genes, astrological configurations at the time of conception, the future environment that one was going to be brought up in ? these were just a few that he mentioned. These all coalesced at a particular moment and issued a body, or rather an embryo, with its appointed destiny.

'This is all very deterministic,' I said. 'If the purity of the chemical determines whether or not we get enlightened, why should we ven care about it or not? What is the point of trying or not trying, wanting or not wanting, if the purity of the chemical has already decided the matter for us in advance? We may as well all go home.'

Maharaj replied, 'No, it is not completely determined in advance. The vast majority of people in the world are born with a dirty chemical. Nothing they do or don't do will make any difference. Enlightenment is not for them, and most of them won't even care about such matters. At the other end of the spectrum there will be an extremely small number of very pure beings who will become aware of their true nature without any striving or inclination.'

He didn't say so, but I assume he would have put Ramana Maharshi in this category.

'Between these two extremes,' continued Maharaj, 'there are a small number of people whose chemical is only slightly impure. These people have a chance to get enlightened. If they can meet with a Guru who can show them the truth and if their earnestness and seriousness are high enough, they can purify their slightly dirty chemical and find out who they really are. That is why we are all here today. People who come to a teacher with a strong thirst for freedom are the ones who have only a few impurities. They are the ones for whom liberation is possible."


I'm totally blown away by this. Maharshi says: You are awareness.

"Awareness is another name for you.
Since you are awareness there is no need to attain or cultivate it. All
that you have to do is to give up being aware of other things, that is
of the not-Self. If one gives up being aware of them then pure
awareness alone remains, and that is the Self."

and also Maharaj says:

"Awareness is ever there. It need not be realized. Open the shutter of the mind, and it will be flooded with light.

There is nothing to practice. To know yourself, be yourself. To be yourself, stop imagining yourself to be this or that. Just be. Let your true nature emerge. Don't disturb your mind with seeking."


And Jack Kornfield also has an interesting story about Nisargadatta

"One day we were in a room about this big. People were coming in and asking questions. Somebody came in and asked a question and was a little bit dissatisfied and left. And another person raised their hand and said, "Maharaj, what will happen to that person who came and asked that question and left? Is it all over for them in this life? They didn't stay here. You are a great guru, and they weren't interested, and they went home." And he twinkled at that moment, he really lit up, and he said, "It's too late. Even the fact that they put their foot in this room, even if they hadn't asked the question, means that somewhere in there there's a seed of really knowing who we are and what this life is about. Not what you were taught in elementary school or what's on TV or the newspapers, but a deep seed of knowing our true nature, that wants to discover; it's like coming home. The fact that he just walked in the room means that that seed has started to sprout. And no matter if he tries to forget it and goes back and gets lost, sooner or later that will manifest in awakening."


So did Maharshi say anything about this subject? Can anyone "attain enlightenment"? And if what Maharaj says is true, how can one know if their so called chemical is pure or impure?

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Question about self-enquiry
« on: December 28, 2009, 02:14:48 AM »
Hello everyone!
In Wikipedia's article on self-enquiry it says:

Practice

"Beginners in self-enquiry were advised by Sri Ramana to put their attention on the inner feeling of ‘I’ and to hold that feeling as long as possible. They would be told that if their attention was distracted by other thoughts they should revert to awareness of the ‘I’-thought whenever they became aware that their attention had wandered. He suggested various aids to assist this process- one could ask oneself ‘Who am I?’ or ‘Where does this I come from?’- but the ultimate aim was to be continuously aware of the ‘I’ which assumes that it is responsible for all the activities of the body and the mind."


So, is one supposed to just repeat the word "I" in his/her mind in the beginning, and only after the inner feeling of I comes more clearly?


Thanks!

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