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General topics / Re: Quotes of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
« on: April 06, 2018, 05:17:07 AM »
Questioner: I was here last year. Now I am again before you. What makes me come I really do not know, but somehow I cannot forget you.

Maharaj: Some forget, some do not, according to their destinies, which you may call chance, if you prefer.

Q: Between chance and destiny there is a basic difference.

M: Only in your mind. In fact, you do not know what causes what? Destiny is only a blanket word to cover up your ignorance. Chance is another word.

Q: Without knowledge of causes and their results can there be freedom?

M: Causes and results are infinite in number and variety. Everything affects everything. In this universe, when one thing changes, everything changes. Hence the great power of man in changing the world by changing himself.

Q: According to your own words, you have, by the grace of your Guru, changed radically some forty years ago. Yet the world remains as it had been before.

M: My world has changed completely. Yours remains the same, for you have not changed.

Q: How is it that your change has not affected me?

M: Because there was no communion between us. Do not consider yourself as separate from me and we shall at once share in the common state.

Q: I have some property in the United States which I intend to sell and buy some land in the Himalayas. I shall build a house, lay out a garden, get two or three cows and live quietly. People tell me that property and quiet are not compatible, that I shall at once get into trouble with officials, neighbours and thieves. Is it inevitable?

M: The least you can expect is an endless succession of visitors who will make your abode into a free and open guesthouse. Better accept your life as it shapes, go home and look after your wife with love and care. Nobody else needs you. Your dreams of glory will land you in more trouble.

Q: It is not glory that I seek. I seek Reality.

M: For this you need a well-ordered and quiet life, peace of mind and immense earnestness. At every moment whatever comes to you unasked, comes from God and will surely help you, if you make the fullest use of it. It is only what you strive for, out of your own imagination and desire, that gives you trouble.

Q: Is destiny the same as grace?

M: Absolutely. Accept life as it comes and you will find it a blessing.

Q: I can accept my own life. How can I accept the sort of life others are compelled to live?

M: You are accepting it anyhow. The sorrows of others do not interfere with your pleasures. If you were really compassionate, you would have abandoned long ago all self-concern and entered the state from which alone you can really help.

Q: If I have a big house and enough land, I may create an Ashram, with individual rooms; common meditation hall, canteen, library, office etc.

M: Ashrams are not made, they happen. You cannot start nor prevent them, as you cannot start or stop a river. Too many factors are involved in the creation of a successful Ashram and your inner maturity is only one of them. Of course, if you are ignorant of your real being, whatever you do must turn to ashes. You cannot imitate a Guru and get away with it. All hypocrisy will end in disaster.

Q: What is the harm in behaving like a saint even before being one?

M: Rehearsing saintliness is a sadhana. It is perfectly all right. provided no merit is claimed.

Q: How can I know whether I am able to start an Ashram unless I try?

M: As long as you take yourself to be a person, a body and a mind, separate from the stream of life, having a will of its own, pursuing its own aims, you are living merely on the surface and whatever you do will be short-lived and of little value, mere straw to feed the flames of vanity. You must put in true worth before you can expect something real. What is your worth?

Q: By what measure shall I measure it?

M: Look at the content of your mind. You are what you think about. Are you not most of the time busy with your own little person and its daily needs?
The value of regular meditation is that it takes you away from the humdrum of daily routine and reminds you that you are not what you believe yourself to be. But even remembering is not enough -- action must follow conviction. Don't be like the rich man who has made a detailed will, but refuses to die.

Q: Is not gradualness the law of life?

M: Oh, no. The preparation alone is gradual, the change itself is sudden and complete. Gradual change does not take you to a new level of conscious being. You need courage to let go.

Q: I admit it is courage that I lack.

M: It is because you are not fully convinced. Complete conviction generates both desire and courage. And meditation is the art of achieving faith through understanding. In meditation you consider the teaching received, in all its aspects and repeatedly, until out of clarity confidence is born and, with confidence, action. Conviction and action are inseparable. If action does not follow conviction, examine your convictions, don't accuse yourself of lack of courage. Self-depreciation will take you nowhere. Without clarity and emotional assent of what use is will?

Q: What do you mean by emotional assent? Am I not to act against my desires?

M: You will not act against your desires. Clarity is not enough. Energy comes from love -- you must love to act -- whatever the shape and object of your love. Without clarity and charity courage is destructive. People at war are often wonderfully courageous, but what of it?

Q: I see quite clearly that all I want is a house in a garden where I shall live in peace. Why should I not act on my desire?

M: By all means, act. But do not forget the inevitable, unexpected. Without rain your garden will not flourish. You need courage for adventure.

Q: I need time to collect my courage, don't hustle me. Let me ripen for action.

M: The entire approach is wrong. Action delayed is action abandoned. There may be other chances for other actions, but the present moment is lost -- irretrievably lost. All preparation is for the future -- you cannot prepare for the present.

Q: What is wrong with preparing for the future?

M: Acting in the now is not much helped by your preparations. Clarity is now, action is now. Thinking of being ready impedes action. And action is the touchstone of reality.

Q: Even when we act without conviction?

M: You cannot live without action, and behind each action there is some fear or desire. Ultimately, all you do is based on your conviction that the world is real and independent of yourself. Were you convinced of the contrary, your behaviour would have been quite different.

Q: There is nothing wrong with my convictions; my actions are shaped by circumstances.

M: In other words, you are convinced of the reality of your circumstances, of the world in which you live. Trace the world to its source and you will find that before the world was, you were and when the world is no longer, you remain. Find your timeless being and your action will bear it testimony. Did you find it?

Q: No, I did not.

M: Then what else have you to do? Surely, this is the most urgent task. You cannot see yourself as independent of everything unless you drop everything and remain unsupported and undefined. Once you know yourself, it is immaterial what you do, but to realise your independence, you must test it by letting go all you were dependent on. The realised man lives on the level of the absolutes; his wisdom, love and courage are complete, there is nothing relative about him. Therefore he must prove himself by tests more stringent, undergo trials more demanding. The tester, the tested and the set up for testing are all within; it is an inner drama to which none can be a party.

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 06, 2018, 04:57:12 AM »

When I have you, the passions of love make me stay awake;
When you are not with me, I cannot sleep-I moan, I ache;
I'm awake the night you stay with me and the night you don't-
But look how those two nights are worlds apart.


General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 06, 2018, 04:49:27 AM »

What's Not Here

I start out on this road,
call it love or emptiness.
I only know what's not here.

Resentment seeds, backscratching greed,
worrying about outcome, fear of people.

When a bird gets free,
it does not go back for remnants
left on the bottom of the cage.

Close by, I'm rain. Far off,
a cloud of fire. I seem restless,
but I am deeply at ease.

Branches tremble. The roots are still.
I am a universe in a handful of dirt,
whole when totally demolished.

Talk about choices does not apply to me.
While intelligence considers options,
I am somewhere lost in the wind.


General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 06, 2018, 04:47:26 AM »

We tremble, thinking we're about to dissolve into nonexistence,
but nonexistence fears even more that it might be given human form!
Loving God is the only pleasure. Other delights turn bitter.
What hurts the soul?
To live without tasting the water of its own essence.
People focus on death and this material earth.
They have doubts about soul water.
Those doubts can be reduced! Use night to wake your clarity.
Darkness and the living water are lovers.
Let them stay up together.
When merchants eat their big meals and sleep their dead sleep,
we night-thieves go to work.


General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 06, 2018, 04:30:33 AM »
Question: Ultimately all is experience. Whatever we think, feel, do is experience. Behind it is the experiencer. So all we know consists of these two, the experiencer and the experience. But the two are really one - the experiencer alone is the experience. Still, the experiencer takes the experience to be outside. In the same way the Spirit and the body are one; they only appear as two.
Nisargadatta: To the Spirit there is no second.
Question: To whom then does the second appear? It seems to me that duality is an illusion induced by the imperfection of the psyche. When the psyche is perfect, duality is no longer seen.
Nisargadatta: You have said it.

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 06, 2018, 04:23:02 AM »

Mrs. D. said there were breaks in her awareness and desired to know
how the awareness might be made continuous.
M.: Breaks are due to thoughts. You cannot be aware of breaks unless
you think so. It is only a thought. Repeat the old practice, 'To whom
do thoughts arise?' Keep up the practice until there are no breaks.
Practice alone will bring about continuity of awareness.

Talks 628

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 06, 2018, 04:17:23 AM »

Those who take to the pure path of Self-enquiry are never derailed
because, like the sun,
this supremely direct path itself reveals to them
its own unchallengeable clarity and uniqueness.

393  Guru Vachaka Kovai
Sri Muruganar

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 06, 2018, 04:11:18 AM »
Therefore, all that we are to practise is to be still (summa iruppadu) with the remembrance of the feeling 'I'. It is only when there is a slackness of vigilance during Self-attention that thoughts, which are an indication of it, will rise. In other words, if thoughts rise it means that our Self-attention is lost. It is only as a contrivance to win back Self-attention from thought-attention that Sri Bhagavan advised us to ask, 'To whom do these thoughts appear?' Since the answer 'To me? is only a dative form of 'I', it will easily remind us of the nominative form, the feeling 'I'. However, if we question, 'Who thinks these thoughts?', since the nominative form, the feeling'I', is obtained as an answer, will not Self-attention, which has been lost unnoticed, be regained directly? This regaining of Self-attention is actually being Self (that is, remaining or abiding as Self)! Such 'being' alone is the correct sadhana; sadhana is not doing, but being!!

"What our Lord Ramana firmly advises us to take to, as the greatest and most powerful tapas is only this much, 'Be still' (summa iru), and not anything as the duty to be performed by the mind."

Guru Vachaka Kovai, verse 773

Sri Sadhu Om
The Path of Sri Ramana Part One
by Michael James

The Srimad Bhagavata / Re: Excerpts from Srimad Bhagavatam
« on: April 02, 2018, 01:54:02 AM »

Maitreya said: 'Thus in full being informed about the ins and outs of spiritual advancement by the son of Brahma - the Kumara who was so well versed in spiritual knowledge - the king praised him and then spoke. The king said:

'You all, oh brahmins, oh powerful souls, have arrived here in order to confirm what was promised by Him, the Lord who from His causeless mercy is so compassionate with the distressed. It is my duty, therefore, to offer you something, but all I have now are but remnants of food taken by great saintly persons. What shall I give except my heart and soul? My life, wife and children, oh brahmins, my home with everything belonging to it, my kingdom, power, land and treasury, I therefore offer all to you. The post of the commander in chief and ruler of the state, the first to chastise or the proprietor of the whole planet, are no doubt only reserved for those who know the Vedic scriptures. A brahmin enjoys his own food, wears his own  clothes and gives what he has in charity. It is by his mercy that the kshatriyas [the rulers] and the other parts of society eat their food. How can such persons, who have done unlimited mercy by explaining the path of self-realization, and whose explanations are given for our enlightenment with complete conviction and Vedic evidence, be repaid except by folded palms containing water for their satisfaction?'

Maitreya said: 'After the masters of self-realization had been worshiped by the original king, they praised his character and then, for all people to see, disappeared in the sky. The son of Vena, the first among the great personalities, who according to the teachings  had arrived at self-realization, considered himself as someone fully satisfied. For the sake of the Absolute Truth he performed as good as possible,and as far as his means would allow, according to the time, the circumstances and his capacity all his actions . Fully dedicated to the  Supreme Spirit he, free from attachments being of renunciation, always thought of the Lord, the  Supersoul beyond this material nature.  Even though he lived at home, he never felt attracted to all the opulence of his mighty kingdom, nor did he indulge in sensual pleasures, just like the sun never responds to what it illuminates. Always engaging spiritually, he thus begot five sons in his wife Arci who fully met his expectations. Their names were Vijitas'va, Dhumrakes'a, Haryaksha, Dravina and Vrika. In his personal surrender to the Infallible One he, for the protection of the created universe, pleased the citizens during his time with his kind-hearted words and actions. The king thus was known as the King of the Moon, while he, on the other hand, was like the Sun god in his distributing, exacting and ruling over the wealth of the world. In his exercise of power he was as unconquerable as fire, he was as insuperable as the King of Heaven, as tolerant as the earth itself and alike heaven in fulfilling all desires of human society. Just as rainfall satisfies everyone's desires, Maharaja Pṛthu used to satisfy everyone. He was like the sea in that no one could understand his depths, and he was like Meru, the king of hills, in the fixity of his purpose. He was like the King of Righteousness [Yamaraja] in his education, he was alike the Himalayas in his opulence , he was like Kuvera in keeping the wealth and alike Varuna [the ruler of the waters] in his secrecy. He was as all-pervading as the air [the wind] concerning his physical strength, courage and power, and he was as inexorable as the most powerful  Rudra . He was as beautiful as Cupid, he was as attentive as the lion, the king of the animals, in his affection he was alike Svayambhuva Manu and in matters of controlling the people he resembled the Unborn Lord, Brahma. He understood spiritual matters alike Brihaspati, in his personal self-control he was alike the Supreme Lord, in his devotion to the cows, the spiritual master and the brahmins he was as great devotees, in his shyness he was the most gentle one and in matters of philanthropy he was [as good] as he was for himself. All over the three worlds the general public loudly declared - and surely all the lovers of truth and the women from everywhere came to hear about it - that his name and fame was as great as the glory of Rama.'

Book 4,Chapter 22

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 01, 2018, 11:46:33 PM »

How often you ask,
what is my path?
What is my cure?
He has made you
a seeker of unity,
isn't that enough?


General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 01, 2018, 11:41:32 PM »

Leave your self

When you do things from your soul,
you feel a river moving in you, a joy.

When actions come from another section,
the feeling disappears.

Don't let others lead you. They may be blind or, worse, vultures.

Reach for the rope of God. And what is that?
Putting aside self-will.

Because of willfulness people sit in jail,
the trapped bird?s wings are tied,
fish sizzle in the skillet.

The anger of police is willfulness. You've seen a magistrate
inflict visible punishment.

Now see the invisible. If you could leave your selfishness, you
would see how you've been torturing your soul.
We are born and live inside black water in a well.

How could we know what an open field of sunlight is?

Don't insist on going where you think you want to go.
 Ask the way to the spring.
Your living pieces will form a harmony.

There is a moving palace that floats in the air
with balconies and clear water flowing through,
 infinity everywhere, yet contained under a single tent.


General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 01, 2018, 11:27:24 PM »

Jesus called a little child to stand among them.
"Truly I tell you, He said, "unless you change and become like little children,
you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child
is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me."

Matthew 18:3,4,5

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 01, 2018, 11:09:39 PM »

O Love,the divine fullness of my heart!
O Love,the endless embrace of my Spirit!
O Love,the true face of God!
O Love,quietly you are taking my Soul!
O Love,true and unbroken!

Love,you spread peace among people!
You make this earth a Heaven!
You unite people with the Angels!
You offer our God our prayers!
You overcome everything!
You come before everything!
It is you Love who truly rules this universe!
You are the one who holds everything and saves everything!

St. Nectarios of Aegina

The Christ is risen!!!

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: April 01, 2018, 10:40:49 PM »

How mistaken are those people who seek happiness outside of themselves,
in foreign lands and journeys, in riches and glory, in great possessions and pleasures,
in diversions and vain things, which have a bitter end!
In the same thing to construct the tower of happiness outside of ourselves
as it is to build a house in a place that is consistently shaken by earthquakes.
Happiness is found within ourselves, and blessed is the man who has understood this.
Happiness is a pure heart, for such a heart becomes the throne of God.
Thus says Christ of those who have pure hearts:

"I will visit them, and will walk in them, and I will be a God to them, and they will be my people."

What can be lacking to them? Nothing, nothing at all! For they have the greatest good in their hearts:
God Himself!

St. Nectarios of Aegina

Dear gopalgtg,

It is best not to talk with anyone who is not interested in spirituality about the teachings,and Your experiences. Masters advise not to talk about some serious experiences even with fellow devotees. But what can i tell You from my own experience,do not talk about this to anyone worldly minded. It will result in a way You experienced,disturbing to You,and it will be disturbing for them too. Not everyone is ready for this Truth,and everyone has his own way leading to the same Truth eventually. Best way is to keep hidden Your interest in spirituality,or giving only some general information if You cannot hide it completely. Trust me,this is the best way if You wish to advance. And also,You will not disturb anyone,since this knowledge can be very bad for some immature people. It can result in madness,loss of faith,and many other things. So keep this only for Yourself and do Your practice silently. In this way You will be left in peace.

It is usual that all sorts of things happen when someone begins this journey. You will be most probably disturbed in many ways,from all sides. This is what i experienced. I am sure many of us,if not almost all are surrounded with worldly minded,and even wicked people if i may say so. Just do Your practice silently and try to keep peace with Your family. Sure,i cannot give You general advice on this,to fight or not,or such things. Do not fight about these things for the reasons i wrote above. But for some other matters,act in a way that moment and situation asks for. It is the decision based on the situation only. It depends what is needed and what it right in that moment. Try not to be discouraged in any way,and do not expect anyone can truly understand You except God,except Your own Self.

How to deal with the world,about future and all You have asked,well,this path is not separate from life. Through life and everything we learn,as much as we learn from the teachings. Even more. So,for me,it is best not to look on it as something separate or different. The teachings about non duality should not be used when dealing with fellow man,or the world itself. For example,the world is unreal,so whatever i do does not matter-i can do anything i want,or,the people are not real so it is unnecessary to have compassion or any sorts of feelings toward them.

But,the most important thing is,we cannot learn these things from the books or advices etc,but by living our Truth,by error and right action,and our own discrimination and inquiry. That is the point of everything.

Trust Your own deepest feeling of right and wrong,follow and listen Your heart,be sincere in Your motives,and all will be well in the end.

And every situation is the teacher in this world. Even this situation You have encountered. So try to see what it wants to teach You.

Welcome to the forum dear friend!

With love,

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