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Title: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: ramanaduli on October 27, 2012, 05:44:22 PM
Dear sir,

When we read Subramaniya bharathi's poems it seems he has written in "Gnana nilai". He never bothers for the society which was narrow minded, he fought for injustice like untouchability, female education. There is a song NIRPADUVE NADAPPADUVE NEENGAL ELLAM SWAPANAM DHANO"  Must be enlightened soul.
But there is no record of going to Thruvannamalai. He saw many holy saints in Pondichery.

Ramnaduli
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 27, 2012, 05:52:59 PM
Dear ramanaduli,

Once it appears that Subramanya Bharati met Sri Bhagavan in the very early years. No one knew much about him.
Sri Bhagavan, after his return told some devotees: He is Subramanya Bharati.

Bharati has great love and devotion to Sakti. It might perhaps be due to  the influence Sri Aurobindo, where both were
living in Puduchery.

He says in one of his songs; I am surrendering to You, Parasakti, so that my worries would not eat me!

Ennaik kavalaigaL thinna thahAthenRu ninnaich charaN adainthen, Parasakti!

Arunachala Siva.         
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Nagaraj on October 27, 2012, 06:04:02 PM
"தனியொருவனுக்கு உணவில்லையெனில் ஜகத்திணை அழித்திடுவோம்"

“Thani oru manithanukku unavillai ennil, ijagathinai azhithiduvom".

It means If a single person does not get food, then we will destroy this world. Bharathiyar will be branded as Maoist for this :D but his spirit touches the core of my heart

Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 27, 2012, 06:07:29 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

These are the pious and great ideas of poets.

One friend of mine quipped: If that be the case, then the world must have been destroyed long time back. Think of Somalia,
why even India. What is happening in reality?

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 27, 2012, 06:18:31 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

Mahakavi Subramanya Bharati said once: My poems should be sold for less price than a match box, those days match boxes
were sold for quarter anna!

Only Ku.Pa.Ra, tried his best to publish them at a concessional price in later years. Pazhaniappa Brothers, Madurai,
whose owner was a devotee of Bharati also published and sold his poems at a cheap price.

Today no one knows Bharati excepting a few. If you ask a college student, he will say: Is it Bharati wife Vishnu Vardhan?

What to do? As civilization advances, poetry declines, as some one said.

Gangai Puthaka Nilayam, Vanati Padhippagam of Chennai (owner Tirunavukkarasu, a devotee of Mahaperiyava who published
Deivathin Kural in Tamizh, has done yeomen service to publish Tamizh books at cheap prices. I bought my Tiruvaskam, from
there only,  a hard bound edition at a price of Rs 25.00. Today with a lot of e-books, printed books are also meeting with a
formidable challenge.

Days are fast changing.

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Nagaraj on October 27, 2012, 06:20:51 PM
 :D today's state of affairs are bad. In some comedy done by vivek, he asks children by showing a picture of bhAratiyAr who he was , and the kid replied, Veerappan :D
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 27, 2012, 06:30:58 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

Yes. That is how degeneration of Tamizh society has come to. In one of the serials, when a young boy is putting vesham as
Bharatiyar, some one asks him what it is: He says it is Bhratiyar. The fellow says: Oh! Chekkizhuta chemmal!

Chekkizhuttha chemmal is not Bharati. He is the great patriot, V.U. Chidambaram Pillai, who was sent to Andaman
and he had to move the chekku, the cauldron where oil seeds are kept and one has to move the cauldron many many times
in order to bring the oil through filter underneath. He is also called Kappalottikya Tamizhan, one who ran his own shipping company,
much against the will of Britishers. He incurred heavy loss and became a pauper.

Arunachala Siva.
 
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: ksksat27 on October 31, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
Dear sir,

When we read Subramaniya bharathi's poems it seems he has written in "Gnana nilai". He never bothers for the society which was narrow minded, he fought for injustice like untouchability, female education. There is a song NIRPADUVE NADAPPADUVE NEENGAL ELLAM SWAPANAM DHANO"  Must be enlightened soul.
But there is no record of going to Thruvannamalai. He saw many holy saints in Pondichery.

Ramnaduli

Sorry for these comments,  but I personally feel he is far below final realization.

He had mixed blend of many strong samkalpas  and not that all his poems are vedantic or devotinal.

In name of forward socialisim,  he did criticize many of the vedic aspects and mocked at brahmins.

He never pursued either partriotism or philosophy fully and does not seem to be a jnani to me.


And neverthless to say,  Bharathi poems are widely interpreted to mean only against religion,  vendanta etc.  in today's tamil world.

Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 31, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
Dear ramanaduli, Krishnan,

Subramanya Bharati was a great poet - no doubt on issues of freedom movement, He was a Sakti upasaka.  He also wrote a
number of poems on Kannan. He wrote some good prose work too, which is not that popular. He wrote Bharati 66, Panchali
Sabhatam etc., But he never worked towards self realization.

Arunachala Siva
   
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Ravi.N on October 31, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
Friends,
How much of  the mahAkavi we know to speculate on his attainment?
Here is what he says:

எனக்கு முன்னே சித்தர் பலர் இருந்தா ரப்பா!
யானும் வந்தேன் ஒரு சித்தன் இந்த நாட்டில்;
மனத்தினிலே நின்றிதனை எழுது கின்றாள்
மனோன் மணியென் மாசக்தி வையத்தேவி;
தினத்தினிலே புதிதாகப் பூத்து நிற்கும்
செய்யமணித் தாமரை நேர் முகத்தாள் காதல்
வனத்தினிலே தன்னையொரு மலரைப் போலும்
வண்டினைப்போல் எனையுமுரு மாற்றி விட்டாள்
.

Master TGN has clearly identified the mahAkavi as a seer poet.

Namaskar.
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Ravi.N on October 31, 2012, 08:39:20 PM
Friends,
Not many know that the mhAkavi was inspired by Sister Nivedita,disciple of Swami Vivekananda.Here is the story:

In the year 1905, Bengal was partitioned, and this affected the Indian National Congress very badly. Bharati went to Varanasi to the Congress meeting in 1905.On his way back to Madras, he passed through Calcutta, where he met Sister Nivedita, the disciple of Vivekananda, in Dum Dum.

Bharati dedicated his national poems later to Sister Nivedita whom he considered as his gure. His meeting with her brought about many changes in his personality. He was greatly attracted to her rare vigour, force of love and strength of wisdom. Her very appearance reflected her inner light. ‘Bharati sings in adoration of Sister Nivedita:

An offering to grace, a temple of love

As a sun that dispels the darkness in my heart

As benevolent rain to my parched land,

As unbounded wealth to the destitute,

As a burning flame to the bondage of slavery,

Exists Mother Nivedita, at whose feet,

I bow in adoration.

Nivedita's  exernal appearance was a true reflection of her inner harmony. Her soul, full of the sparks of a raging fire, was capable of stringing Bharati’s emotions into a thread of unity and order. The power of her love attracted the beings coming into contact with it, ultimately transforming it into Love itself. The great wave of love in Sister Nivedita’s heart, without need for words or long association, filled Bharati’s heart as an instrument of great power. As hearts came near, the one put order into other’s inner faculties. The spirit of love concealed within was kindled into a raging flame. Bharati speaks of this unusual experience in his dedicatory lines to Nevedita:

As Lord Krishna revealed his mighty form to Arjuna and explained the state of Atman, the Guru showed me the form of Bharata mAta in its completeness and taught me to love my country. I dedicate this slender volume at the flowery feet of my guru.

I dedicate this book to  Nivedita, the spiritual offspring of Bhagawan Vivekananda, the most excellent of all spiritual teachers. She taught me the nature of true service to the Mother, and the greatness of asceticism-all this through unspoken wisdom.

Bharati refers to a vission of the complete form of Bharata mAtA, Mother India, saying that the clarity of the heart endowed upon him by Nivedita presented this happy vision. The  time in which the vision revealed itself is brief. Yet, this is why, leaving aside the powerful influences of Tillak and many other political personalities, Bharati regards Nivedita his preceptor; hence the dedication.

Sister nivedita gave bhArati a leaf from Himalayas as a Blessing.bhArati treasured it so much that he asked his wife chellamma to preserve it in her jewel Box.Master TGN says that he has heard from ChellamAl   that BhArati used to tell her-'Please keep this carefully;It is a priceless treasure'.ChellamAl told TGN that there were no jewels in that jewel box of hers;just this leaf!

All of BhArati's shakti poems are inspired through this lineage.

Namaskar.
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Nagaraj on October 31, 2012, 08:42:56 PM
Friends,

For me mahAkavi is bhArati svarUpam (Goddess saraswatI) Perhaps, he is the last mahAkavi.

I continue to wonder how can we be in a position to say somebody is realised or not realised? what do we know about others? when we ourselves know so little about ourselves, moreoever, what do we know about realisation itself?

Below, i produce mahAkavi's excellent english articles on "The Siddha and the Superman" Only He could write it!


The Siddha and the Superman

Names are images. Carlyle has spoken to us of the profound poetry lying hidden in all nomenclature. Meditate, for a moment, on any important and vital word of people’s language and it will reveal to your mind something of the modes of though, something of the historic reminiscences and of the spiritual aspirations of that people. For instance, a certain school of Western thought has evolved the term ‘Superman’. Nature has made us men. “Let us,” says this school, “strive to become more than men,”-whereas we in India have our Siddha, meaning the “Perfected Man or the complete man. The idea here is to perfect the manhood that nature has given us.”

(http://www.mahakavibharathiyar.info/images/homepage/bharathiyar.jpg)The Siddha does not worship the “Will to Power” for he knows that power is merely one of the many things necessary for a perfect life and therefore can never be a supreme end in itself.

He worships the Will pure and simple – the Sakti of God. The Will of the Universe, the All-Will, the Will not merely for power but for Being and Loving, that Will should, in full measure, be realized by man in himself if he seeks perfection.

I wonder if the Western school above referred to has, in any of its treatises, described fully and systematically the methods to be adopted for acquiring the will to power. But here, in India, we have a yogi literature which in spite of many interpolations and mediaeval accretions, still contains the most scientific and rational treatment of the question of consciously accelerating human evolutions. By Will is this Universe made. By Will is this Universe maintained in motion and activity. By will does thought become manifested in material forms. By Will odes life stand.

The Siddha realizes that the will in him forms part of this All-Will. A conscious ralisation of this fact tends to make the individual will more and more ablaze with the divine fire, more and more assured of immortality and invincibility.

And the Siddha adores the All-Will, day and night. He meditates on it in his moments of silence; he makes it the them of his songs, his motto, his battle –cry, the awakener of his faculties and the sustainer of his actions.

Teacher or King, wowed celibate or father of a large and prosperous family, poet or soldier – whatever may be the roles of life that the Siddha has chosen to play, it will be sanctified by the Will Divine and shine with the luster of immortality.

But in all that he may do, his heart will ever be free from the taint of self-aggrandizement, of harm, or indifference to the interests of other beings. If sometimes his duty may impel him to impose a severe correction on obstinate evil-doers, he does so with love in his heart, hidden, perhaps, but very real.

Above all, the Siddha is a democrat. Equality is to him a matter of utter reality, as he has seen the basic unity of all beings.

Where Nietzsche’s ‘Superman’ would talk of the ‘hero’, the Siddha speaks of the children of God, the living rays of the Universal Sun.

Heroism and ‘Supermanism’ are, by certain people, wrongly identified with the pursuit of war and kingly domination, exclusively. The siddha, of course, is a hero; for heroism is one of the conditions of human perfection. But he need not necessarily be a War-lord. The Shastras tell us that there are four types of the Hero-the Hero of War(Yuddha – vira), the Hero of Sacrifice (Dana-vira), the Hero of Duty (Dharma-vira) and the hero of compassion (Daya-vira). He may be anyone of the four.

Firmly established in Mauna – the silence internal – fearless of death, disease, and the devil, serene in the strength of God, and happy in the knowledge of immortality, resplendent in his energy, irresistible in his action, tireless in labour, and full-souled in service, the Siddha lives amidst men, a representative of the Will Divine, a veritable messenger from Heaven, protector of men, loving, elevating, immortalizing.

New India
18.06.1915

Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Ravi.N on October 31, 2012, 09:13:09 PM
Friends,
Here is a description of the mahAkavi's physical appearance:
AT the age of twenty-seven Bharati was in Pondicherry, a charming, energetic and flourishing youth. Bharati was a handsome person; thin and fair, with powerful eyes, a broad forhead and a pointed nose, he was indeed good-looking. His wife describes Bharati’s complexion as ‘golden’.
Bharati was a handsome man, fair in complexion, a little taller than five foot six, his nose was particularly pretty, the nose was carved out becomingly on his face; the nose was not bent like that of Caesar or Rajagopalachari. Caesar’s nose bridges on high in the middle, is bent sharp in end and appears to peak at any one. Bhartai’s nose was chiselled out beautifully without a trace of ugliness through its length.

Bharti’s eyes were red-lined like the lotus flower. The eyes that were the centre of the face glowed like  balls of fire. It never satiated one to look at them.

Bharati had a broad forehead and sported a moustache  trim. It was not the pricking variety of Kaiser’ moustache. It grows of its own accord and appeared to smile with great joy and pride.
Suddhananda Bharati saw Bharati, and was bewitched by his appearance. He describes Bharati as he saw him:

"His courageous face as appears to me now seemed to sparkle like a tower, and to tell one to be fearless and without shame. The flaming eyes gleam before me now-the eyes that were full of wisdom and courage. His moustache, unlike Kaiser’ stood up like a tongue of flame. Such descriptions, help us link Bharati’s physical personality with his inner personality. A poet’s inner personality, in spite of his physical appearance, speech and action all marks of an outer or visible personality, remains invisible. The relationship beween aspects of visible, out personality, and the invisible, inner personality, remains open to discussion. A man’s inner and outer personalities by definition, may appear to be at variance with each other. It is common experience that a wicked man may bear happy appearance and a right-eous person may have an ugly exterior. This disparity in the inner and outer personalities is of one kind; complete harmony between the inner and outer personalities is a different matter. Very few people are blessed with a complete harmony n their personalities. Bharati belongs to this class of rare and out-of-the-ordianry people".

It is known to us from his many friends that Bharati’s exterior was as handsome as his inner, harmonious personality. His poetry too reveals the harmonious blending of the inner and outer personalities.

Bharati’s friends have uniformly noticed the flaming splendour of his eyes. Not only people who had known him when he was alive but even those who see him in portraits and photographs have noticed the courage and glory reflected in his eyes. Even for a casual observer it seems as if the wisdom of his mind and the light of his genius were reflected in his flaming eyes. In an essay entitled the Eyes (Kangal) Bharti speaks of the revealing quality of the eyes:
"Nammazhwar speaks of ‘the eyes that are red and large’, when he describes the eyes of Lord Krishna. The eyes of the sages too resemble those of the Lord. The eyes must be like lotus flowers".
Looking at Va.Ra.’s description of Bharati’s eyes as ‘the red-lined eyes like lotuses’, we may infer that Bharati’s eyes revealed a sage whose soul had attained true freedom. His eyes revealed his genius; they fascinated a casual observer at the very first meeting; they revealed the purity and bounty of his heart; their purity was born out of the purity of heart. In the case of a harmoniously blended personality like Bharati, the inner workings of his heart could be perceived in his eyes.

"When there is no falsehood, the eyes look straight. Behold! When falsehood dies it is possible to look straight ahead. When fear dies it is easy to look straight. Behold ! when there is no false hood, there is no fear. Fear dies and so does falsehood"- writes Bharati. Purity of the eyes is dependent upon a heart, free from falsehood and fear. When the heart is false there is the fear of discovery. Since the eyes must reveal the heart, they dare not look straight. The light of truth sparkles in a person’s eyes when he is without falsehood and fear. The eyes then carry the flame of truth. Bharati’s eyes reflected such fearlessness and truth.

Bharati’s forehead revealed the nature of his intelligence, wisdom and poetic genius. Though Bharati was lean, he was majestic. He was fascination, and inspired awe and respect in anyone who came into contact with him.

Bharati was always surrounded by a crowd. When he came out one or two always followed him. When bharati walked along Pondicherry roads people who sat on their pyols would stand up in respect and with folded hands salute him.

Bharati’s walk too reflected the majesty of his appearance. His walk also revealed fearlessness, by being rhythmical. As a born-artist, Bharati expressed the harmony and rhythm of his being even in his walk. Va. Ra. Describes the uprightness and rhythm of Bharati’s walk:

Bharati never walked with a stoop. He used to tell young men never to stoop. His chest completely dry and without flesh, would come out, his head will go up high as he walked on like a soldier. Bharati was very fond of marching to the tunes of “ La Marseillels “ and “ La Sombre De Muse, “ the French marching songs hummed with a rhythm.

In consonance with Bharati’s rhythmical appearance devoid of hunches, his inner personality was also harmonious. The aspects of his physical personality must be studied as they reveal his inner personality to a great extent. Yet, the body has its laws and limits, while the heart is limitless in its vastness.

Namaskar
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Ravi.N on October 31, 2012, 09:54:18 PM
Friends,

பாங்கான குருக்களை நாம் போற்றிக் கொண்டோம்,
பாரினிலே பயந்தெளிந்தோம்;பாசமற்றோம்.
நீங்காத சிவசக்தி யருளைப் பெற்றோம்;
நிலத்தின்மிசை அமரநிலையுற்றோம்,அப்பா!
தாங்காமல் வையகத்தை அழிக்கும் வேந்தர்,
தாரணியில் பலருள்ளார்,தருக்கி வீழ்வார்;
ஏங்காமல் அஞ்சாமல் இடர்செய் யாமல்
என்றுமருள் ஞானியரே எமக்கு வேந்தர்.

MahAkavi bharati
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Nagaraj on November 01, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Fascinating information on Sister Nivedita Sri Ravi, thank you.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/S%C5%93ur_Nivedita.jpg/220px-S%C5%93ur_Nivedita.jpg)

Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 01, 2012, 04:08:32 PM
Mahakavi Subramnya Bharati wrote many songs, of which I like - YadhumAhi ninRai kAli engum nee niRainthaai...
and ennaikavalaigal thinna thAhathu enRu ninnai charan adainthen, parasakiti.

2. In Sangup PAttu He says:

chettha piRahu sivalokam vaikuntam
sernthidalAmenRu enni iruppAr
pitha manithar ivar solum sAthiram
pei uraiamengu ootheda sangam....

3. He wrote about:
1. Mahatma Gandhi
2. Guru Gvindar
3. Dada Bai Naoroji
4. Bhupendrar ('vivekananda)
5. Bala gangathra tilak
6/ Lala Lajpati Rai
7. V.U. Chidambaram Pillai

5.  HIS   
 
 
 
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 01, 2012, 04:29:34 PM
5. His Bharati 66 is a famous autobiography which is incomplete.

6. He says in Bharati 66, about one kuLLa chAmi, short Swami. His name is Rajaram Iyer. Bharati says 'he is his guru'.

7.  He says in Bharati 66, about one KuvaLai kaNNan.

8. His Panchali Sabhatam is equally famous. On losing Draupadi, he says, 'whether any one kill the child, for getting leather
for chappals?" He also says, kaNNai vaithu izhanthAn, avan kaNNai eRitiduvom.'

9. When Draupadi's sari got longer and longer and when Ducchasan could not disrobe her, Bharati says:

nalla punniyar tham pugahinai pol
thyalar karuNaiyai pol kadal
chalachalatheirntidum alaiaLaip pol
kannabiran aruLAl thambi
kazhaRRida kazaRRida thuNi pudidAi
vaNNap poR selaigaLam - avai
vaLarnthana vaLarnthna vaLarnthanave!
eNNthil adangAve avai
ethanai ethanai niRathanavo?
poonizjhai pattizhaiym, pala
pudu pudup pudumaigaLAi
chenniyil kai kuvithAL avan
chevviya menyai chAnthru ninRe
munniya hari nAmam - thannil
mooLu naL payan ulahaRinthidave
thunniya thuhir koottam - kaNdu
thozhumba thuccadanan veeznthu vittAn...

10. Kuyil PAttu is a little esoteric. I am yet to understand it.

Ravi, can you tell me how to take Bharati's songs in Tamizh? from which web?

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Nagaraj on November 01, 2012, 06:17:19 PM
Interesting facts, Thank you Subramanian Sir, before i can understand the verse you have provided, i have to make some homework about the words and all...

You can take Bharati's songs in Tamizh in the following link:

http://www.projectmadurai.org/pmworks.html (http://www.projectmadurai.org/pmworks.html)

Look for the following Work numbers that are attributed to Bharatiyar's works. You would be able to simply copy and paste. You have to just make sure that you follows the Unicode Link under the Work Nos. which reads like as follows pmuni0001.html you will see that the word contains uni - meaning unicode. Hope this is of help :) I am looking forward for reading more tamil Sir, and you are certainly a repository of tamil works, aplenty!

Work Nos.

12
21
49
91
95
245

Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 01, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

Thank you. I shall try.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 01, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

ஆயிரம் உண்டிங்கு ஜாதி - எனில்
அன்னியர் வந்து புகல்என்ன நீதி? - ஓர்
தாயின் வயிற்றில் பிறந்தோர் - தம்முள்
சண்டைசெய் தாலும் சகோதரர் அன்றோ? (வந்தே)

ஒன்று பட்டால் உண்டு வாழ்வே - நம்மில்
ஒற்றுமை நீங்கில் அனைவர்க்கும் தாழ்வே
நன்றிது தேர்ந்திடல் வேண்டும் - இந்த
ஞானம் வந்தாற்பின் நமக்கெது வேண்டும்? (வந்தே)

The best jnana (in the objective world) is to live as Indians without any distinction of castes etc.,
and be united.

If we are united no attempt to conquer us will happen.  We are all the sons and daughters of one mother,
Bharata Matha. Even if we fight for something, still are we not brothers (and sisters)?

Simple but insightful.

Today's India has scattered his noble Dreams. Assmese and other North east workers are dirven out of
Bangalore and Chennai.  Bal Thackary says Mumbai is only for Marathis! Where is this country going? 

Arunachala Siva.         
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 01, 2012, 07:00:23 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

Look at his bravery against death! He remembers the Jnanis. Before that Muruga's Javelin. Then Krishna who to save
the suffering elephant.  Then Markendeya who was saved by Siva. All have conquered death! 


காலா!உனை நான் சிறு புல்லென மதிக்கிறேன்;என்றன்
காலருகே வாடா!சற்றே உனை மிதிக்கிறேன்-அட (காலா)
சரணங்கள்
1. வேலாயுத விருதினை மனதிற் மதிக்கிறேன்;என்றன்
வேதாந்த முரைத்த ஞானியர் தமை யெண்ணித்
[துதிக்கிறேன்-ஆதி
மூலா வென்று கதறிய யானையைக் காக்கவே-நின்றன்
முதலைக்கு நேர்ந்ததை மறந்தாயோ கெட்ட,
[மூடனே?அட (காலா)
2. ஆலாலமுண்டவனடி சரணென்ற மார்க்கண்டன்-தன
தாவி கவரப்போய் நீ பட்ட பாட்டினை
[யறிகுவேன்-இங்கு
நாலாயிரம் காதம் விட்டகல்!உனைவிதிக்கிறேன்-ஹரி
நாராயண னாகநின் முன்னே உதிக்கிறேன்-அட
(காலா)

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Nagaraj on November 01, 2012, 07:05:31 PM
The best jnana (in the objective world) is to live as Indians without any distinction of castes etc.,
and be united.

If we are united no attempt to conquer us will happen.  We are all the sons and daughters of one mother,
Bharata Matha. Even if we fight for something, still are we not brothers (and sisters)?

Simple but insightful.

Today's India has scattered his noble Dreams. Assmese and other North east workers are dirven out of
Bangalore and Chennai.  Bal Thackary says Mumbai is only for Marathis! Where is this country going?   

simply so refreshing! Sir, i do not find spirituality different from this insight of mahAkavI. Bhagavan used to say சமத்வம் வெணும் ?ஒய்? சமத்வம் வெணும் samatvam venum voi, samatvam venum (equality is needed)

having that samatvam within ourselves, that one string that binds the various thoughts, various ideas, etc., is the best jnana. I truly believe the grand idea of a nation is the very idea of Self Realisation, where the macro cosmos is same as micro cosmos. But only when we separate things as spiritual and worldly, samsArA begins! Nation can be built first only when we are able to perceive the unity within ourselves.

Sir mumbai and bal thackrey, yes! these days most family houses are scattered these days :D

Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Nagaraj on November 01, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
I did not find a satisfactory translation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1e-wtksDCw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1e-wtksDCw&feature=related)

சிந்து நதியின் மிசை நிலவினிலே
சேர நன்னாட்டிளம் பெங்களுடனே
சுந்தரத் தெலுங்கினில் பாட்டிசைத்து
தோனிகள் ஓட்டி விளையாடி வருவோம்

ஆஹ் ஹ ஹ...

கங்கை நதிப்புரத்து கோதுமைப் பண்டம்
கங்கை நதிப்புரத்து கோதுமைப் பண்டம்
காவிரி வெற்றிலைக்கு மாருகொல்லுவோம்
சிங்க மராட்டியர்தம் கவிதைகொண்டு
சேரத்து தந்தங்கல் பரிசலிப்போம்
சிங்க மராட்டியர்தம் கவிதைகொண்டு
சேரத்து தந்தங்கல் பரிசலிப்போம்

மனசிதி நீகோசம் மனுகட நீகோசம்
மனசிதி நீகோசம் மனுகட நீகோசம்
மமதா அவேதம் மாயனி மதுபாசம்
மமதா அவேதம் மாயனி மதுபாசம்
மனசிதி நீகோசம் மனுகட நீகோசம்

நீ கண் கணராகம்
ஆஹ் ஹ ஹான்
நீ மதி அனுராகம்
ஆஹ் ஹ ஹான்
மன ஈ வைபோகம்
ஆஹ் ஹ ஹான்
பஹுதன் அலயோகம்
ஆஹ் ஹ ஹான்
வலபுல புல்லாசம்
ஆஹ் ஹ ஹான்
நெரபுல தெரஹாசம்
ஆஹ் ஹ ஹான்
வஹதென அவாஅகஸ்ம்
ஆஹ் ஹ ஹான்
சா நலிவுலு ஆவேசம்
அஹ் ஹ ஹ....
ஹ்ம்ம்ம்...ஸ்

சிங்கலத் தீவினுக்கோர் பாலமமைப்போம்
சேதுவை மேடுடுத்தி வீதி அமைப்போம்
சிங்கலத் தீவினுக்கோர் பாலமமைப்போம்
சேதுவை மேடுடுத்தி வீதி அமைப்போம்
வங்கத்தில் ஓடி வரும் நீரின் மிகையால்
மையத்து நாடுகலில் பயிர் செய்துவோம்
வங்கத்தில் ஓடி வரும் நீரின் மிகையால்
மையத்து நாடுகலில் பயிர் செய்துவோம்

     sindhu nadhiyin misai nilavinilae
chaera nannaattiLam pengaLudanae
sundharath thelunginil paattisaiththu
thoanigaL oatti viLaiyaadi varuvoam

aah ha ha...

gangai nadhippuraththu goadhumaip paNdam
gangai nadhippuraththu goadhumaip paNdam
kaaviri vetrilaikku maarukolluvoam
singa maraattiyartham kavidhaikondu
saeraththu thandhangal parisalippoam
singa maraattiyartham kavidhaikondu
saeraththu thandhangal parisalippoam

Telugu verses
manasithi neekoasam manugada neekoasam
manasithi neekoasam manugada neekoasam
mamathaa avaedham maayani mathupaasam
mamathaa avaedham maayani mathupaasam
manasithi neekoasam manugada neekoasam

nee kaN kaNaraagam
aah ha haan
nee madhi anuraagam
aah ha haan
mana ee vaibOgam
aah ha haan
bahuthan alayOgam
aah ha haan
valapula bhullaasam
aah ha haan
nerapula dherahaasam
aah ha haan
vahadhena avaaagasm
aah ha haan
saa nalivulu aavaesam
ah ha ha....

singalath theevinukkoar paalamamaippoam
saedhuvai maeduduththi veedhi amaippoam
singalath theevinukkoar paalamamaippoam
saedhuvai maeduduththi veedhi amaippoam
vangaththil oadi varum neerin migaiyaal
maiyaththu naadugalil payir seythuvoam
vangaththil oadi varum neerin migaiyaal
maiyaththu naadugalil payir seythuvoam

Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 01, 2012, 07:40:56 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

Yes. Very. True. This also speaks of unity among various states.

That is why he says:

ஒன்று பட்டால் உண்டு வாழ்வே - நம்மில்
ஒற்றுமை நீங்கில் அனைவர்க்கும் தாழ்வே
நன்றிது தேர்ந்திடல் வேண்டும் - இந்த
ஞானம் வந்தாற்பின் நமக்கெது வேண்டும்? (வந்தே)

Arunachala Siva.

Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: ramanaduli on November 08, 2012, 08:07:30 AM
Dear sir,

I feel Bharathi is a self realised person. In his poems his feelsing for human being, he condemned the bad practices among brahmins.
His poem UN KANNIL NEER VIZHUNDHAL  speaks lot.  He can only sing these lines... THEEKKUL VIRALI VITTAL UNNAI THEENDUM
when a person cross all feelings he would have only sachchidanandam. He will not have inside or outside, sukha or dhukha.

ramanaduli
Title: Re: mahakavi subramanya bharathi
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 08, 2012, 12:54:32 PM
Dear ramanaduli,

I am not sure, since he had many sankalpas that India should get freedom etc.,

Arunachala Siva.