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Title: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 16, 2012, 10:15:56 PM
Friends, Kindly use this thread for any discussion, for the topic "Bhagavan Ramana Teachings" or any other general discussions on any topic pertaining to "Teachings of Bhagavan"

Thank you

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 18, 2012, 02:15:13 PM

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1.If the moments that are wasted in thinking of the objects which are not the Self, are spent on enquiry into the Self, self-realization will be attained in a very short time.


Self inquiry is not "one of the activities of the day" ... Otherwise, what happens is a person is in Self inquiry for a hour or two and rest of the time is spent in objects only : atleast for most of us.

Self inquiry is to revel as "I AM " even while involved in the day to day work. This has to be done all the time... while writing this as much as working or talking... Remain as "I AM". this way every activity is done remaining as "I AM" !

In seated meditation, which works well as a support, one can strive to do away with all thoughts etc. As such thoughts do not seek your permission to arise. So one can do little to stop thoughts from arising other than setting a mental climate in which they do not strive. Also important is to not "give attention" to the thoughts when they arise, so that they die instantaneously.

Sri Tushnim,

I request you to kindly use this thread for discussion. It will be neat and systematic, i thought :)  thank you.

well, i think the point does not seem to be contradicted to what you have observed. Yes, it has to be continues, all of the waking time.

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 18, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
Yes, thats was very good idea :) moreover Bhagavan was very particular in keeping things in order.

Yes, Sri Tushnim, any sAdhanA, one has to strive to first begin with short time, each day, to eventually, to be able to carry it on through out the day, in midst of our works. Awakened living.

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 18, 2012, 03:13:51 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

Once on a rainy morning, Sri Bhagavan as resting on a chair outside the Old Hall. Suddenly from a swampy pool, a frog jumped at Him
and hit His eyes. His eyes became red and the devotees were asking whether they should bring some oil. Sri Bhagavan said:
Nothing to worry. The frog came hear me and told me Hallo!


Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 18, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
Sir, after having been blessed by Bhagavan's contact, one thing that i am learning slowly to genuinely live my life. Atma vidyA comes later or i have come to discern this itself is Atma Vidya, seeing self in all being, plants, animals, fellow humans. Every life is precious, Every living being is just like ourselves. They all know only as much as we know. So we begin to forbear, endure, even more in understanding as we begin to see the same feelings that we experience in them too, as we have seen the same in ourselves as well!



Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 18, 2012, 03:31:15 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

Once Sri Bhagavan was seen sitting on  stone platform  at night. One sick dog, full of wounds on the body, came to Him and licked
Him all over the body. Sri Bhagavan said: Porum da, Porum..... Next morning, the dog was found dead!

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 18, 2012, 04:16:55 PM
Sri Tushnim,

It was an incident when a dog full of disease was trying to enter Asramam for 3 days, in order to have a darshan of Bhagavan, but, the Asramites, seeing the dog full of diseases felt it dangerous to allow such a dog with disease to enter as it may spread diseases in the Asramam, hence they continuously tried to drive the dog away.

Bhagavan had been silently watching this, on the third day, He slowly walked out of the hall without disturbing anyone. The person attending him thought he was going to the bathroom and followed him at a distance. After a couple of minutes, when Bhagavan did not return, he went looking for him and heard Bhagavan’s voice saying “Thrupthiyachaa?” (Are you satisfied?) “Podhumaa ?” (Is it enough ?).

The attendant found Bhagavan squatting next to the diseased dog. The dog was licking Bhagavan all over his body including his face while Bhagavan was talking to the dog with these words. for which Bhagavan asked the dog - Is it enough ? Are you satisfied?

Next day morning, the Ashramites found the dog lying dead near the entrance. The dog was holding on to its life to have Bhagavan's Darshan.

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 18, 2012, 05:19:56 PM
Dear Tusnim,

Porum da, porum means Enough, Enough. The dog though diseased, got liberation from Sri Bhagavan.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 05:08:19 PM
Subramanian Sir,

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Yes. If we genuinely know as to how to remain Still, summa iruthal, no Sadhana is required. We are doing all sadhanas because
we are not capable of remaining Still.

absolutely correct Sir, hence, it makes it quite logical that we engage our eyes, limbs mind, and so on in the worship of the Lord and his glories, it is important to adhere to the anuShTAnAs, with greater fervor.

We all have not attained citta shudDhi (mental purification) so as to remain still. We have to do our karmAs as ordained in the scriptures.

Infact, even the Self enquiry that we do, is too little, the majority of vichAra is just analytics, true Self Enquiry is that which is truly

நானுதியா துள்ளநிலை நாமதுவ யுள்ளநிலை

That we are, when ‘I’ has not arisen.


All that we talk is only it is this, it is that, it is not this, it is not that and so on... where is enquiry? this is not Self Enquiry!

Which is why Sri Bhagavan in the form of Sri Ramakrishna said that if 'I' has to remain let it remain as a "Servant I" and instead of engaging ourselves in mere speculations, it is so much more good, if we utter the name of rAmA, kRushnA, gOvindA or engage in service of God, doing dhArmic work that pleases the God or engage in Bhajans, Puja, Worship and so on.

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 05:45:36 PM
Sri Tushnim,

Thank you so much, but, my cup is already full, i am happy singing the glories of rAm, I would like to live with these vAsanAs of bhakti, i would always want Bhagavan to reatain those vAsanAS that enable me to remain his servant, i pray he keep my mind undissolved as i wish to remain an ignorant, where by, i can soak myself of His grace.

I actually seem to enjoy my ignorance... :) contrarily

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 19, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

When one chants within lips either Ram nAm or Siva nAm, it takes us to our natural state. Names drop of, but the State remains
for ever.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 06:07:38 PM
Dear Sri Tushnim,

yes, i get your intention. :) (no worries)

Every mood is the mood of Lord devotion, when you are angry, its the mood of kamsA, when you are desperate, despondent, it is the mood gOpikas, and so on... when you worship, worship with hope that we could worship like bhArati theertha swAmiji, when listening striving to listen like Bhagavan whose eyes used to become moist at the instance of listening to stories of kannapA, once he asked how the pravachkAs are able to talk on Sri Rama and remain unmoved and keep their eyes without tears. When it seems what is this life, a feeling of disgust, kunti appears who asked a boon from kRushna to keep giving her difficulties!  sarvam vishnu mayam jagat!

life is beautiful, Sri Tushnim, life is beautiful! Everything is perfect and beautiful as it is, with all its ups and downs, good ness and badness, angels and the evils, as it is...

Sri Subramanian Sir,

yes, if we are able to taste the rasa of rAma nAmA, what is mukti what is amukti ? who cares?

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 19, 2012, 06:12:00 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

You remain in all the five elements. You have no birth and death, that is what poets say. But what we, illiterate girls know?
We know only to sing githams, dance before you! Who has seen You? And known You? O Lord of Tiruperundurai, with
cool paddy fileds! You are beyond comprehension of any body But You have come before us, washed off our sins and took
over us! O Lord please come and give your darsan! 

(Tirup paLi Ezhucchi, Verse 5:     


பூதங்கள் தோறும்நின் றாய்எனின் அல்லால்
போக்கிலன் வரவிலன் எனநினைப் புலவோர்
கீதங்கள் பாடுதல் ஆடுதல் அல்லால்
கேட்டறி யோம்உனைக் கண்டறி வாரைச்
சீதங்கொள் வயல்திருப் பெருந்துறை மன்னா
சிந்தனைக் கும்அரியாய் எங்கள் முன்வந்து
ஏதங்கள் அறுத்தெம்மை ஆண்டருள் புரியும்
எம்பெரு மான்பள்ளி யெழுந்தருளாயே. 372


Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 06:29:41 PM
Sir,

yes, we are truly illiterates. what do we know?

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 06:31:39 PM
Sri Tushnim,

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Dear Nagaraj,
        shedding tears just happens ...when it happens it happens, when it does not happen it does not happen.
 it is just another happening !

The one that remains to witness this, has to dissolve, till it is incapable of concluding, this happened, that happened, this train moved, that train came, and so on. Only then can the ambrosia be churned!

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 19, 2012, 06:42:40 PM
Dear Tusnim,

Shedding tears is true expression of love for god or guru. One never gets mad by chanting god's name or shedding tears in  love
for God or guru. Sri Ramakrishna asks: Whether any one would die by drowning in  Amrita Sagara?

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 06:45:27 PM
Sri Tushnim,

such a person does not exist to see if mood comes and passes away! The one who gives importance or non-importance has to die and make place for the Lord to take over.

I am not really getting what you are asking about the incident you have quoted, 2001 incident. Always it is best to quote the references from authentic sources, such as scriptures, we need not really study others. Or we take for instance Sri Bhagavan or Sri Ramakrishna or Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, etc... This is right standard for our study!

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 06:53:33 PM
       :) What I am saying is the person had really wonderful devotion, all the signs of a devotee ... tears, horripulation, shivering and even some times he used to lose consciousness in devotion. But he has not the least sense control.
no sense control!
in moments of devotion you will be astonished.
now tell me sir! how can he have no sense control with such deep devotion ?

Sri Tushnim,

See, who is it that is interpreting all these? Secondly, do you want to retain the the ego to control your senses?

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 06:56:08 PM
That would mean, you are conscious of how other may look at you.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
One more side track : Should Bhajans only include "Bhajans" ? May be a few hindi songs also would be full of devotional love for those who can see them as such :) isnt it ?

oh yes, why not..  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sagi0o-d7XU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sagi0o-d7XU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moKsZOjoohA&feature=fvst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moKsZOjoohA&feature=fvst)

Such songs are pure vEdAntA

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 07:16:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddXt2O9ivAU&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddXt2O9ivAU&feature=relmfu)

wow, this is one of my favorites, thank you! thirst for the Goddess. Thank you, what bliss! :)

All these songs are pure vEdAntA

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 07:21:51 PM
all these are "song of Self"

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 07:23:17 PM
Sri Tushnim

i would exclude these, they are tAmasic unlike the old ones:

Even These :):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H4uIuuBEzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3qa4CcA0tE

so many wonderful and Exceptional songs !

anyways, as i said ... I doubt if everyone can appreciate these :) as spiritual.
Lets leave it at that.
Love of God is simply dissolving

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 07:33:36 PM
well, i am still yet to reach that perfection! i do have preferences! The singers make the difference, they carry out the bhAvam!

am not sure if you are taking me for a ride by these songs! it doesn't matter to me! i had my bliss, with the previous ones!

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Ravi.N on October 19, 2012, 07:57:24 PM
Friends,
Bhakti need not be analysed. :-)

Here is an excerpt from sri Aurobindo:
When the psychic being awakens, you grow conscious of your own soul; you know your self. And you no longer commit the mistake of identifying yourself with the mental or with the vital being. You do not mistake them for the soul.
Secondly, when awakened, the psychic being gives true bhakti for God or for the Guru. That bhakti is quite different from mental or vital bhakti.
[i]In the mind one may have admiration or appreciation for the intellectual greatness of the man - or Guru, but it is merely mental; it does not carry the matter very far. Of course there is no harm in having that also. But by itself it does not open the whole of the inner being; it only establishes a mental contact[/i].

The vital bhakti demands and demands. It imposes its own conditions. It surrenders itself to God, but conditionally. It says to God, “You are so great, I worship you, and now satisfy my this desire or that ambition, make me great, make me a great sadhak, a great yogin, etc.” The unillumined mind also surrenders to the Truth, but makes its own conditions. It says to the Truth, “Satisfy my judgment and my opinion”; it demands the Truth to cast itself in the mind's own forms.

The vital being also insists on the Truth to throw itself into its own movement of force. The vital being pulls at the Higher Power and pulls and pulls at the vital being of the Guru.
Both of them (the mental and the vital) have got an arrière pensée (mental reservation) in their surrender.

But the psychic being and its bhakti are not like that. Because it is in direct communication with the Divinity behind, it is capable of true bhakti. Psychic bhakti does not make any demand, makes no reservation. It is satisfied with its own existence. The psychic being knows how to obey the Truth in the right way. It gives itself up truly to God or to Guru, and because it can give itself up truly, therefore it can also receive truly.
Thirdly, when the psychic being comes to the surface, it feels sad when the mental or the vital being is making a fool of itself. That sadness is purity offended.
When the mind is playing its own game or when the vital being is carried away by its own impulses, it is the psychic being which says, “I don't want these things; what am I here for after all? I am here for the Truth, I am not here for these things.” Psychic sadness is again different from mental dissatisfaction or vital sadness or physical depression.
If the psychic being is strong, it makes itself felt on the mental or the vital being, and forces them - compels them - to change. But if it is weak, the other parts take advantage of it and use the psychic sadness to their own advantage.
In some cases the psychic being comes up to the surface and upsets the mental or the vital being and throws everything into disorder. But if the mind or the vital being is stronger than the psychic, then it casts only an occasional influence and gradually retires behind. All its cry is in the wilderness; and the mental or the vital being goes on in its own round.
Lastly, the psychic being refuses to be deceived by appearances. It is not carried away by falsehood. It refuses to be depressed by falsehood - nor does it exaggerate the truth. For example, even if everything around says, “There is no God”, the psychic being refuses to believe in it. It says, “I know, and I know because I feel.” And because it knows the thing behind, it is not deceived by appearances. It immediately feels the Force.
Also, when the psychic being is awakened, it throws out all the dross from the emotional being and makes it free from sentimentalism or the lower play of emotionalism.
But it does not carry in it the dryness of the mind or the exaggeration of the vital feelings. It gives the just touch to each emotion


Bhakti takes us deep within and puts us in touch with our sweet essence.It is adoration of the Divine and does not make any demand and is simply joyous and content.It does not care for any goal or anything to be achieved.
Namaskar.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 08:40:19 PM
Sri Ravi, truly an important and excellent article, thank you! I guess, none other than Sri Aurobindo can come up with this :)

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Ravi.N on October 19, 2012, 09:53:32 PM
Nagaraj,
Yes indeed.Sri Aurobindo's guidance is quite precise and he has this gift for expressing and clarifying;he has evolved his terminology for the parts and planes of Being,which others lump together as 'mind'.
Here is an Excerpt where he distinguishes between JivAtmA(Ego of Knowledge of Sri Ramakrishna) and Psychic being(Ego of Devotee of Sri Ramakrishna):
Atma is not the same as psychic—Atma is the self which is one in all, calm, wide, ever at peace, always free. The psychic being is the soul within that experiences life and develops with evolving mind and life and body. The psychic does not suffer like the vital or body, it has not pain or anguish or despair; but
it has a psychic sorrow which is different from these things. It has a kind of quiet sweet sadness of yearning which it feels when
things go against the Divine, when the obscurity and obstacles are too heavy, when the mind, vital and physical follow after
other things, when evil and falsehood and darkness seem to be too strong for the Light. It does not despair, but feels that these
things ought not to be and the psychic yearning for it to be otherwise becomes so intense that it is felt as if something akin
to sadness
.
As for the psychic not being in front, that cannot be brought about all at once; the other parts of the being must be prepared
for the change and the veil between must become thinner and thinner. It is for that experiences come and there is the working
on the inner mind and vital and physical as well as on the outer nature.

Some people live in their 'mental being' and its sense of quietude and impersonality;their Bhakti ,is more akin to 'santa BhAva' as this is the closest to 'quietude'.
They may not think that it is equally important to tend to the psychic being and its associated Bhakti..It is this psychic being which feels like a child basking in the Divine Mother's presence.In Sri Aurobindo's Integral Yoga,both these aspects are given equal importance .It is not only essential to Realize the Impersonal Divine but it is also equally vital to establish a relationship(Devotee 'I') with the Personal Divine.In The Bhagavad Gita,Lord Sri Krishna talks about this synthesis as well.

Sri Ramakrishna says:"The Personal and the Impersonal
are the same thing, like milk and its whiteness, the diamond and its lustre, the snake and its
wriggling motion. It is impossible to conceive of the one without the other. The Divine
Mother and Brahman are one."


Namaskar.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 19, 2012, 11:47:54 PM
Sri Tushnim,

these emotions need not be feared, these emotions cannot be harmful, the Self still remains as it is. There are several names that represent the Supreme God, Self such as bhakti priya, bhakti vashya, bhakti gamya, bhakta vatsalya priya, and so on, meaning He (Supreme Self, God) is bhakti vashya, bound by the love of bhakti, That is lover of bhakti, that is a lover of the compassion shown by a bhakta.

If you look deeper, the bhaktA and Supreme Self are one and the same. Ones own bhakti is so dear to ones own Self. That is a lover of ones own Self. The Self is a lover of ones own emotions for ones' Self.

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 20, 2012, 12:10:43 AM
Sri Tushnim, Friends,

These names of the Goddess or even better, would be to say the nature of Self, are noteworthy:

Bhakta saubhagya dayini: Who (Self) grants all that is auspicious.
Bhaktipriya: Who (Self) is fond of true devotion.
Bhaktigamya: Who (Self) is attained through true devotion.
Bhaktivashya: Who (Self) can be won over through true devotion.
Bhakti matkalpalatika: Who (Self) is verily a Kalpa Taru, the wish-yielding tree of Heaven that grants all the prayers of devotees.
Bhakta manasa hamsika: Who (Self) is the swan sporting in the Manasa lake of Her devotees’ minds.
Bhaktaharda tamobheda bhanumadh bhanusantatih: Who (Self) dispels the darkness of ignorance in the minds of devotees as the sun’s rays dispel the darkness of the world.
Samasta bhaktasukhada: Who (Self) bestows happiness on all devotees
Bhaktanidhih: Who (Self) is a treasure to Her devotees.
Bhakta chitta keki ghana ghana: Who (Self) is heavily water – laden cloud that makes the hearts of devotees dance like peacocks.

Bhakta-vatsalah –“ One (Self) Whose Love for the devotees knows no bounds.” He(Self) is ever merciful and endlessly kind towards His devotees.

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: swayam on October 20, 2012, 07:46:21 AM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Dear GuruBhandhus

Can you please kindly suggest me any CD which has Arunachala Siva chanting, not in westernized way, but in indian way in indian voice,
nothing against westners, only thing is mind got used to listening in indian voice(like MS vishnusahasranama, bhajagovindam etc).

Idea is to listen to that chant while on the way to office and reach office in a peacful mind  :)

Thanks in advance

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Ravi.N on October 20, 2012, 08:14:27 AM
Swayam,
I warmly recommend the Album 'Ramana Amudam' featuring singing of akshara maNa mAlai, by smt Sulochana NatarAjan and other devotees.This group called RamanAnjali has sung most compositions on Sri Bhagavan by Great Devotees like MuruganAr,sri Sadhu OM,not to forget satyamangalam venkatrama Iyer.
I also recommend the excellent 'Ramana Geetam' by RamanAnjali group,songs of Sri sAdhu OM in Tamizh on Sri Bhagavan.
Ramana Amudam was one of the earliest albums that was issued as a Cassette in the  late seventies.It will be available as a CD,definitely at Sri Ramanasramam.

Please refer to this website:
http://ramanacentre.com/performingarts/ramananjali/ (http://ramanacentre.com/performingarts/ramananjali/)

Namaskar.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: swayam on October 20, 2012, 08:39:03 AM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Dear Ravi

Thank you. Is it all in Tamil, then I will not understand a bit :-(.
Thats why I thought I will look out for just Arunachala Siva chant.

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Ravi.N on October 20, 2012, 08:53:16 AM
Swayam,
You may download it from Sri Ramanasramam site,and it is well rendered and is as chanted in the Asramam.
Please downlaod it from here:
http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/Tamil_Parayana.html (http://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/Tamil_Parayana.html)
Namaskar.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: swayam on October 20, 2012, 04:46:21 PM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Thanks Ravi

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Balaji on October 21, 2012, 01:45:56 AM
Chanting of Arunachala Shiva by Smt.Sulochana Natarajan, cd name Ramana Mantra and Smt.Saindavi , cd name Arule Ramana is very good.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Balaji on October 21, 2012, 02:28:49 AM
pl hear all the songs

http://music.ovi.com/in/en/pc/Product/Various-Artists/Arule-Ramana/9318283
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Balaji on October 21, 2012, 02:38:36 AM
pl also hear this cd
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 22, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
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The song was Ayye metha kadinam by Gopalakrishna Bharathi which I believe was sung by a visitor. Nochurji has talked about this in one of his discourses. As you have mentioned Sri Muruganar has said atma vidya is easy in the pallavi of the ayye athi sulabam atma vidai.

Lataji, thank you, yes, it was Gopalakrishna Bharati, and i guess. Thank you for this reminder. This is so nice. I was able to dig out the Gopalakrishna Bharati song as well:

(This song is the reply given by NandanAr to his landlord when the latter, recognizing the great devotion of NandanAr, asks him to teach the secret of attaining Godhead. It is extremely complex  and on my request  Sri Lakshman  Ragde  sent me its meaning. I tried to understand  it by reading what Sri Lakshman wrote and this is the result. I am also giving the meaning sent by sri Ragde  from rasikas.org below my translation. Millions of thanks to Sri Lakshman Ragde . May God bless him.)

பல்லவி

ஐயே மெத்தகடினம் உமக்கடிமை ஐயே மெத்தகடினம்

அநுபல்லவி

பொய்யாத பொண்ணம்பலத் தையாஇருக்குமிடம்
நையாத மனிதர்க்கு உய்யாது கண்டு கொள்ளும்       [ஐயே]

வாசியாலே மூலக்கனல் வீசியே கழன்றுவர்ப்
பூசைபண்ணிப் பணிந்திடு மாசறக் குண்டலியைவிட்(டு)
ஆட்டுமே மனமூட்டுமே மேலோட்டுமே வழிகாட்டுமே இந்த

மானாபி மானம்விட்டுத்தானாகி நின்றவர்க்குச்
சேனாதி பதிபோலேஞானாதி பதியுண்டு
பாருமே கட்டிக்காருமே உள்ளேசேருமே அதுபோருமேஅங்கே

சரணம்

பாலகிருஷ்ணன் பணிந்திடும் சீலகுரு சிதம்பரம்
மேலேவைத்த வாசையாலே காலனற்றுப் போவதென்று
சாத்திரம் நல்ல க்ஷேத்திரம் சற்பாத்திரம் ஞானநேத்திரங்கொண்டு

சங்கையறவே நின்று பொங்கிவரும் பாலுண்டு
அங்கமிளைப் பாறிக்கொண்டு தங்கப்பொம்மைப் போலவே
நில்லுமேஏதுஞ்செல்லுமே ஞானஞ்சொல்லுமே யாதும்வெல்லுமே இந்த

அட்டாங்கம் பண்ணினாலும் நெட்டாங்கு பண்ணியது
கிட்டாது கிட்டிவர வொட்டாது முட்டியது
பாயுமேமுனைதேயுமே அதுவோயுமே உள்ளே தோயுமேவேத

மந்திரத்தி லேபோட்டு யெந்திரத்திலே பார்க்குநீ
தந்திரத்தி லேயுமில்லை அந்தரத்திலே அவ
தானமேஅது தானமே பலவீனமே பேசாமோனமே அந்த

முப்பாழுந் தாண்டிவந்து அப்பாலே நின்றவர்க்கு
இப்பார்வை கிடையாது அப்பால் திருநடனம்
ஆடுவார் தாளம்போடுவார் அன்பர்கூடுவார் இசைபாடுவார் இதைக்

கண்டாருத கிடையாது விண்டாருஞ் சொன்னதில்லை
அண்டாண்ட கோடியெல்லா மொன்றாய்ச் சமைந்திருக்கும்
அல்லவோபறையன் சொல்லவோ அங்கேசெல்லவோ
நேரமாகுதல்லவோ                [ஐயே]

Pallavi
Sire , it is very difficult, I am but your slave,
It is very difficult for me to explain
 
Anupallavi
The place which the unfailing lord of the golden temple lives,
Can be easily  understood by those humans  who are strong.
 
Charanam
1.The religious books say  that the fear of God of death,
Is not there ,  due the salutation with devotion  that Balakrishnan does,
To  the  most holy  teacher of Chidambaram,
Due to the fact  that  it is a great  temple  and he being a good receiver.
If one sees Him  by his inner eye of wisdom  through the arch surrounding the God,
By the path of primeval fire which surrounds it,
And worship Him and bow to Him , and leaves away the baser instincts,
Which are in  his Kundali,  which will shake him and also surround him like a cloud,
He would leave his  pride and dignity  and stand  firmly,
And he would become a captain of wisdom like a commander in chief.
 
2.Understand this , protect this truth , assimilate it within yourself , that is all that is sufficient,
All your doubts will then vanish  and by drinking the ebbing milk of understanding,
All your  body and mind  would get relaxed and you would stand like a golden doll,
You will start understanding everything , become wise  and be  a victor over everything.
 
3.Even if  you undergo great strain by yogic methods , it would go away ,
It Would not be available , would not allow you near it,
And whatever little that touches you  would make the mind blunt,
It would get exhausted  and  would disappear within you,
You would neither get it by recitation of Vedic chants,
Nor would you be able to get it through  Yanthras,
Not even by thanthric practices and in the end ,
All achievements  would be of no use ,
And it Would become your weakness  and  be a useless silence.
 
4.To those who stand outside crossing the three useless divisions of life,
This vision is not there  for he would dance , keep rhythm by beats ,
Audiences will gather and would  sing songs ,
There are no one who have seen this, and those have felt  have not revealed it,
And there all  crores of universes would have joined together.
Should this be told to you by one belonging to a debased caste.
Sir, the time is getting late, shall I go there.


(Translation - PR Ramachander)

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 22, 2012, 10:01:55 AM
Dear Nagaraj,

Nandanar was an outcaste. He was an agricultural laborer. The landlords do not give him leave for seeing Chidambaram.
So he says, O Lord! It is difficult to have darshan, very difficult.  Finally the landlord says: You plough, plant the saplings,
and channelize water tonight itself. Then you can go on leave. Siva helps him. In one night, not only the land was ploughed,
saplings were planted, water channelized, but the paddy has grown to full extent!  The landlord was astonished and he
became afraid of Nandanar's love for Nataraja. Leave was granted. He was virtually running to Chidambaram. In order to
make him happy, Nataraja, gave his darshan even in Tirupunkur, miles before Chidambaram!

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: swayam on October 23, 2012, 09:52:11 PM
pl also hear this cd

Om NAmo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Looks like this CD has to shipped from US, comes to near Rs 600

Om  Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: swayam on October 23, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Dear GuruBhandhus

the book - boundless ocean of grace, is this a book with full of anecdotes ? OR
is it that this books is collection of content of all other books ?
Pl clarify

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 24, 2012, 11:07:10 AM
Dear swayam.

Arunachala's Ramana - Boundless Ocean of Grace is a 8 volume book - containing the brief synopsis of Sri Bhagavan's works
and reminiscences of all the devotees. Sri Ramana Gita and other works are also included there.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: swayam on October 24, 2012, 01:16:22 PM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Thank you sir.

Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya
Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Nagaraj on October 28, 2012, 04:53:23 PM
Total guru bhakti was evident with Sri Bhagavan's many devotees of inner circle, Whether it is Kunju Swami, or Viswantha
Swami, Muruganar, Suri Nagamma, Smt, T.R. kanakammal, Arthur Osborne, Major Chadwick, Annamalai Swami ,S.S. Cohen- all had
total faith in Sri Bhagvan's teachings and concentrated on self inquiry. Only Kavya  kanta Ganapati Muni had scattered interest
in life and he went in for various things, like freedom movement, teaching mantras to Harijans etc.,

All the above had self realization at the end of their lives. This is evident from Moments Remembered of Sri Ganesan.     

Dear Sir,

You reminded me Smt. kanakammAl's aikyam (union) with Bhagavan in the samAshi hall!

(http://www.arunachala.org/newsletters/2010/images/kannakamma-sm.jpg)

Title: Re: Discussion thread
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 28, 2012, 04:58:21 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

I and my wife witnessed this incident on 1.1.2010.
She was not all that well. She came just before Mangala Arti. The crowd parted and gave way for her. She prostrated
before Sri Bhagavan's Ramanseswara Mahalingam and she did not get up. What a fortune to get absorbed in Sri
Bhagavan on that day of Sri Bhagavan's Jayanti!


Arunachala Siva.