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Title: The Four Ages
Post by: Hari on December 22, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
Ovid (real name: Publius Ovidius Naso) was a Roman poet who lived at the time of Jesus Christ. His most important work is "Metamorphoses" which describes most of the ancient Greek and Roman theology and philosophy. Here it is Ovid's explanation of the Four Ages:

The Golden Age

This was the Golden Age that, without coercion, without laws, spontaneously nurtured the good and the true. There was no fear or punishment: there were no threatening words to be read, fixed in bronze, no crowd of suppliants fearing the judge’s face: they lived safely without protection. No pine tree felled in the mountains had yet reached the flowing waves to travel to other lands: human beings only knew their own shores. There were no steep ditches surrounding towns, no straight war-trumpets, no coiled horns, no swords and helmets. Without the use of armies, people passed their lives in gentle peace and security. The earth herself also, freely, without the scars of ploughs, untouched by hoes, produced everything from herself. Contented with food that grew without cultivation, they collected mountain strawberries and the fruit of the strawberry tree, wild cherries, blackberries clinging to the tough brambles, and acorns fallen from Jupiter’s spreading oak-tree (note: Jupiter is Roman's name of the God Zeus). Spring was eternal, and gentle breezes caressed with warm air the flowers that grew without being seeded. Then the untilled earth gave of its produce and, without needing renewal, the fields whitened with heavy ears of corn. Sometimes rivers of milk flowed, sometimes streams of nectar, and golden honey trickled from the green holm oak.

The Silver Age
When Saturn (note: Saturn is Roman's name of God Cronus, the Father of God Zeus) was banished to gloomy Tartarus, and Jupiter ruled the world, then came the people of the age of silver that is inferior to gold, more valuable than yellow bronze. Jupiter shortened spring’s first duration and made the year consist of four seasons, winter, summer, changeable autumn, and brief spring. Then parched air first glowed white scorched with the heat, and ice hung down frozen by the wind. Then houses were first made for shelter: before that homes had been made in caves, and dense thickets, or under branches fastened with bark. Then seeds of corn were first buried in the long furrows, and bullocks groaned, burdened under the yoke.

The Bronze Age

Third came the people of the bronze age, with fiercer natures, readier to indulge in savage warfare, but not yet vicious.

The Iron Age

Third came the people of the bronze age, with fiercer natures, readier to indulge in savage warfare, but not yet vicious. The harsh iron age was last. Immediately every kind of wickedness erupted into this age of baser natures: truth, shame and honour vanished; in their place were fraud, deceit, and trickery, violence and pernicious desires. They set sails to the wind, though as yet the seamen had poor knowledge of their use, and the ships’ keels that once were trees standing amongst high mountains, now leaped through uncharted waves. The land that was once common to all, as the light of the sun is, and the air, was marked out, to its furthest boundaries, by wary surveyors. Not only did they demand the crops and the food the rich soil owed them, but they entered the bowels of the earth, and excavating brought up the wealth it had concealed in Stygian shade (note: Stygian - from Styx, the most sacred river for the greeks and the greek Gods), wealth that incites men to crime. And now harmful iron appeared, and gold more harmful than iron.   War came, whose struggles employ both, waving clashing arms with bloodstained hands. They lived on plunder: friend was not safe with friend, relative with relative, kindness was rare between brothers. Husbands longed for the death of their wives, wives for the death of their husbands. Murderous stepmothers mixed deadly aconite, and sons inquired into their father’s years before their time. Piety was dead, and virgin Astraea, last of all the immortals to depart, herself abandoned the blood-drenched earth.
Title: Re: The Four Ages by Ovid
Post by: Subramanian.R on December 22, 2011, 05:51:15 PM
Dear Ramana,'

Ovid's Metamorphosis describes something similar the four eaons of Hindu theology, Kruta Yuga, etc.,

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: The Four Ages by Ovid
Post by: Hari on December 22, 2011, 05:59:41 PM
Sri Subramanian, yes. And unfortunately I suppose we are living in the Iron Age or Kali Yuga.
Title: Re: The Four Ages by Ovid
Post by: Hari on December 22, 2011, 06:02:49 PM
Title: Re: The Four Ages
Post by: Subramanian.R on December 22, 2011, 07:30:39 PM
Dear ramana,

Yes. We are living in Kali Yuga. However this itself is said to last another 28000 years.  However one yogi in Tamizh Nadu,
has predicted, as per his calculations, the world will end on 21st December 2012, Friday!

The forecast for Kali Yuga made by Rishis are :

1. Brahmins will forget Gayatri mantra, some brahmins will not even wear sacred thread. Brahmins will eat flesh.

2. Vysyas will make huge profit and make adulteration in the food articles they sell.

3. There would be no Kshatriyas or Kings. In a different set up, even low class people, who have no morals will rule
the nations. They will be corrupt.  They will swindle the treasure of the nations.

4. Babies will be born without union of male and female.  (test tube babies)

5. Frequent famines and rushing of the oceans into lands (tsunami)

6. Wars between small and big nations. (Vietnam War, Korean War, Iraq War, Afghan War)

7. There will be more atheists and they will even break temples and idols in temples.

8.  There will be polygamy and polyandry.

9. They will try to find Atma outside, (The experiments in CERN laboratory to find  God's Particle or Higgs Boson!)

10. More than new medicines for various diseases, more and more mysterious diseases will spread for which there
     will be no medication, resulting in mass deaths.

11. The language of the gods (Sanskrit) will be forgotten.

12. Scientific inventions causing death and damage to the land (nuclear installations melting down as it happened in Japan)

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: The Four Ages
Post by: Hari on December 22, 2011, 08:52:16 PM
Thank you for this information, sir.

May be these ages are like samsara of the universe or at least of our Solar System. Advancement and fall of the civilizations are predestined according to Yugas. I am convinced that many years ago there were civilizations which were as advanced as ours today. They knew the laws we now know. Some of the civilizations we know today are actually much more older than we think. For example - the science today considers the Sphynx to be sculptured much earlier. Who is interested may watch - (

Here is the introduction of the discovery - (

If we accept that Atlantis has existed, we only can imagine what this civilization was. I have read that the scientist have discovered sunken city around India which many suppose is the city where Lord Krishna has lived. There many things we don't know and may be will never know.
Title: Re: The Four Ages
Post by: Subramanian.R on December 23, 2011, 03:10:07 PM
Dear ramana,

There were many tusnamis in the ancient times. In fact, India which was called Ajanabham, before it is called Bharath, extended
up to the present Australia.  It was called Kumari Kandam (which is now brief Tamizh Nadu).  Three Tamizh Sangams (groups
of Tamizh poetry) were there.  The capital of the first Tamizh Sangam was called KoRkai, which was only 1000 kms from Australia.
Tsunami came and the south of Kumari Kandam got engulfed. Many perished. Then the second Tamizh Sangam was resurrected
and its capital was Kabadapuram. This again met with the same fate. The third Tamizh sangam was in present Madurai.

Ajanabham was as big as the present Asia. It became smaller in due course. In fact, Kaikeyi, the second wife of King Dasratha
in Ramayana, was from Kekaya land, that is present Russia! The present Sri Lanka was an island which was to the east of Ajanabham,
some where near present Singapore.

Agasthyam the first Tamizh grammar book was written when the first Tamizh Sangam was there in KoRkai. Tolkappiyam the second
grammar book is much later when the third Tamizh Sangam was in Madurai.

Some of these facts are mind boggling.

Arunachala Siva.