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Title: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2011, 12:10:50 PM
Yes, I know, for Jnani there is no karma but the body must experience his karma. Does Jnani know it?
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Jyoti on November 11, 2011, 12:34:52 PM
Isn't a Jnani all-knowing?
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on November 11, 2011, 03:25:45 PM
Dear ramana,

For a jnani, the body is not different from himself. There is no - "a jnani" and "his body" there is, just "Jnanam" hence this speculation does not arise at all.

Jnani's body is not different. There is no "known" and a "knower"

What is prarabhdha? The so called prarabhda of a "jnani" appears only to the onlookers, to we devotees only, not to Himself!

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on November 11, 2011, 04:56:09 PM
Yes, I know, for Jnani there is no karma but the body must experience his karma. Does Jnani know it?

Dear Ramana,

i may perhaps have over looked your question.

you asked a very pertinent question "Does the Jnani know it?"

Who can confirm this? we can get answer to this from books, or fellow devotee or from the Jnani Himself. In the end, how do you know if the source of the confirmation is true? is it not yourself in the end, that you should look for confirmation? Who else can confirm other than yourself, when everything else passes? ;)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 11, 2011, 04:56:55 PM
Dear friends,

A jnani is only the Self .The body and its so called sufferings and pleasures are only from the
Onlooker,s points of views. Dr. Guruswami Mudaliar who did surgeries on Him during His terminal
Illness, said with utter astonishment, as to how He could put up with such enormous pains
Without showing grimace or sulkiness on His face.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Hari on December 03, 2011, 07:19:04 PM
I cannot understand something. Ramana has said that for jnani there is no prarabdha karma anymore because there is no "I" to experience it. But in another occasion He says that jnani has no ichha prarabdha karma (personally desired) but the other two - anichha (without desire) and parechha (due to others' desire) still exist. How to understand that?
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on December 03, 2011, 07:27:16 PM
The Jnani seems to have or not have Prarabhda so long you(we) are ajnani.

The bottom line is, we have to realise. we have to be a jnani to know a jnani.

Can ajnani ever know a jnani? can Sun ever know Darkness or can Darkness ever know the Sun?

The Darkness can never see the Sun, and also, the Sun can never see Darkness too!

In the same lines, any answer to your question will never be satisfactory because, fundamentally, we (darkness) can never know the Jnani (Sun)

When Darkness can never see the Sun, it is like darkness questioning the prarabhda of a Sun, which it can never see!

Ramana, relating to the Snake Rope example, its also like, asking, enquiring about the colour and features of the Snake, which is mistakenly seen, which really is not there at all! Its like asking about the Prarabhda karma of a snake, but there is no snake, there is only rope (you)

Only a jnani can see a jnani. we, as ajnani, can never know a jnani! What to say about jnani or his prarabhda, then? :)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Hari on December 03, 2011, 07:37:33 PM
So the second explanation of Ramana is just for the ajnanis?
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on December 03, 2011, 07:43:59 PM
yes, we can keep it that way. The aim of "Jnanam" or "Ultimate Truth" or "Vedas" or "Upanishad" is only Tat Tvam Asi only.

The Vedas or Upanisshads and scriptures really do not intend at all at the least to even discuss anything about creation, preservation or destruction etc... but you see, these are normal inquisitiveness of every soul. The Scriptures feed the seeker with such stories, so that, it may lead the seeker to true light eventually.

Its like a mother, telling a fancy adventurous story to her child, some how to make the child eat its food!

In the same, way "Truth" is slowly taking us within, by all these!

Yes, Bhagavan's answer is just for the Ajnanis only! ;) but are ajnani's really there? that is the trick in it! Is Darkness really there?

That's why he throws his Brahmaasthram, pushing us back to source, Who am I, Source to "I", If it for ajnani, who is an Ajnani? Am I an Ajnani or Jnani, who am I...

Back to source - :)

Salutations to Bhagavan



Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Hari on December 03, 2011, 07:55:10 PM
I don't fully understand and this:

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Individuals have to suffer their Karmas but Iswara manages to make the best of their Karmas for his purpose. God manipulates the fruits of Karma but he does not add or take away from it. The subconscious of man is a warehouse of good and bad Karma. Iswara chooses from this warehouse what he sees will best suit the spiritual evolution at the time of each man, whether pleasant or painful. Thus there is nothing arbitrary.

If the ajnanis has no free will how could subconsciousness be warehouse of karmas? God manipulates the fruits it is said. But why should "we" bear there fruits if we have no free will? If it's that way what is the use of karma in first place?
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on December 03, 2011, 08:06:03 PM
We are not bearing these fruits Ramana, its like Bhagavan says, like the statue seen in big temples, which seem as though it is carrying the huge and heavy stone roof's, where as it is only sculpted, where as, really it is the pillar which takes the load of the the heavy stone roof's.

My mistake, we feel as though we are bearing the fruits of Karmas! Karma relates to only body and not the Self. Since we have imagined and have developed strong identification with Body, it seems as though we are bearing all the fruits of karmas.

Don't bear the fruits, surrender completely and remain at peace! that is Sharanagati. So long we have identification with body, and imaging the body as I, Mine, My, so long Karma will be burden, we will have to bear the fruits like the sculpted statue (in effect, even then, it is only ignorance to think that we are bearing the fruits of karmas)

In a hurry will look into this in some time

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on December 04, 2011, 09:19:27 AM
Dear Ramana,

No matter how much we look into and see, it is absolutely sure that there are no 2 selves, i.e. an ajnani and a Self. There is but one, only one and that is Self alone!

and, when we look in deeply and discern, there is really no Sub Consciousness, Substratum of everything, Super Consciousness, etc... these are just terms used at various instances only for the purposes of discernment. There is just Consciousness alone, which the Vedas call Brahman, Atma, Tat, Aham.

And, moreover, the Moon derives its light from Sun only, can we say that the moon has its own light? therefore, these relative terms that are used are as good as the moon light, which itself derives its light from Sun only!

So long, one thinks he is individual, he suffers. When he realises that there is no individual, that, the individuality existed only like the thought that the moon has its own light, or, like the existence of darkness, or like the horns of a rabbit!

There is no individuality! This are the words of all the Sages of the Yore! But until we are able to see this, they say it is all karma!

Karma ends the same way as darkness! Every day, when the Sun rises, where does darkness go? there is no place to even hide! Where is the snake, in the Snake-Rope phenomenon? The existence of Karma and Individuality exists the same way as the belief of existence of a snake and karma also is just a product of that non existent snake only!

It really is not!

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Subramanian.R on December 04, 2011, 09:25:14 AM

A Jnani "acts" in the world, though he knows it is all acting and nothing else. It is like a
good natured man playing the role of Ravana on the stage.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on December 04, 2011, 09:41:46 AM
Dear Subramanian Sir,

I feel, "Jnanam" does not even act! That is Its Natural Self! There is no Action, and, there is no Inaction too! It is beyond action and inaction! Moreover, why should a "jnanam" act, and, for who does "Jnanam" act? there is "no other" for a "Jnanam"

It only seems acting to us, who see. That "Jnanam" is also but, just a reflection of the glorious Self within! There are no two "Jnanams" The Jnani as we see, and the Self that only is!

When we look within and see and discern subtly, it is basically, only because, the self sees itself different from itself!

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Subramanian.R on December 04, 2011, 11:15:07 AM

Dear Nagaraj,

I was referring with the contents of Sri Bhagavan's verses (translated from Yoga Vasishtam)
in Ulladu Narpadu - Supplement, in mind.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: arcsekar on December 04, 2011, 11:18:48 AM
As you mentioned prarabda karma is  for body. Great saints have predicted about accidents, diseases and death of others-i e  prarabda of others. As a corollary, they must also be knowing the karma which their own  body must undergo.

As for example, Sri Appaya Deekshatar was  undergoing acute stomach pain, which he knew was his prarabda.. In order to do some pooja or important work, he wanted to remain free from the pangs of prarabda temporarily. So, with his spiritual power he transferred the prarabda of pain to a blade of grass. Immediately, the grass started shaking and tossing as if writhing in pain, till such time the great Deekshatar took back the prarbada karma. Pattinathar,a Jnani always carried a sugarcane .The day the sugarcane tasted bitter, he knew the time  had come to shed his body. He instructed the urchins playing in Tiruvottiyr beach, Chennai to cover him with a big heating vessel used by washeremn  to perform a magic feat. The children shut him with the vessel and when they opened up, there was a Siva Lingam instead of Pattinathar in human form. Now, are you satisfied ?
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Hari on December 04, 2011, 11:42:20 AM
Arcsekar, I am not looking for satisfaction but truth although relative.
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: arcsekar on December 04, 2011, 12:40:59 PM
Dear Mr.ramana 1359,

When I asked  in earnest Are you satisfied- I meant are you convinced. I know for sure looking for Truth in this forum is not the means and  method and that you should do Self enquiry to find Truth.. Again, why dilute Truth from absolute level to relative level.   In the acknowledgement , you reveal your are more egocentric than truth oriented.
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Hari on December 04, 2011, 12:55:39 PM
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In the acknowledgement , you reveal your are more egocentric than truth oriented.

Are you and everyone of us not too? Because for the Self there is no individual, karma, even the description sat-chit-ananda, Atman, Brahman. The Self doesn't need atma-vichara too. The Self doesn't need teachings, methods and so on. Everything is for the ego. You say "I am the Self". Are you know that or you just believe it? If you know it you are a jnani and you will not need atma-vichara. Only jnani can say "I am Atma". We just can say "I believe I am Atma because I believe in the words of my Guru and God Himself". So consciously or not you, I and all of us are ego orientated. If we were not, we would be free and there wouldn't be "others" with which to speak.
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Subramanian.R on December 04, 2011, 01:24:56 PM
Dear ramana,

Someone asked Sri Bhagavan:-  Why should Jnanis after attaining Jnanam, go from place to
place?

Sri Bhagavan:- Why should they not? Did not Janaka rule a country? Did not Adi Sankara go
from Sethu to Himalayas? Are they not Jnanis?

Devotee:- then Jnanis also do have prarabdha?

Sri Bhagavan:- Yes. In the sense that they know past, future, and present also.  The Self
knows everything.  Jnanis are the Self.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on December 04, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
I feel, we need to be clear what we really mean when we refer "Karma" Does it mean "endurance" or "bodily acts" of Jnani.

If it is a mater of endurance, a Jnani does not endure. He is devoid of Pain or Pleasure, They are all just the same experiences of Self alone. They don't have any experience other than Self. Even to say "Experience" is really not correct, as there is no experience also really! If it is a question of Bodily acts, then too, a jnani is not bound by body, it has been seen in every saints life that the body is just an inert 'thing' which is at complete control of the Jnani, i.e. the jnani is not bound by the body like us! If we take Sadasiva Brahmendra, when his hands were cut off, he was not even aware, when somebody saw that and pointed this to Sadasiva Brahmendra, he simply went back and fixed his hands back. Even Shirdi Sai Baba is said to have practiced Khanda Yoga, where in, he removed his limbs, and placed them separately and fixed them back!

Moreover, Prarabhda means, happenings bound by past karma, but a Jnani is not bound by any karma, basically, We could perhaps closely only say that His Will itself is His Karma! He uses the Body so long He Wills. Look into the life of Bheeshma, MahaBharatha, He had the power to live in his body till He Willed!

Moreover, Bhaagavan's words and other Saint's words and responses, can never be generalised! they are case specific, questioner specific and we can surely see contradition to same responses by Jnanis. If we observe carefully, from ordinary eye, even in Bhaagavad Gita, we can see so many contradiction in Krishnas responses.

Ultimately, it goes beyond doubt that a "Jnani" cannot be FIT into our definition or our understanding. hence, what ever, we know, still is not That! For That is not an object of knowing, experiencing!

Ultimately, Bhagavan always brought us back to I only, He gave so many answers and responses, we have tones of thousand of Books,.... but all of what avail? they are all nothing!, they are just merely for quietening our minds, just like a mother making her child eat its food somehow by telling fancy stories and then bring us back to the I -

The Self.

There is no way of finding out, but by just becoming one, or being one!

Who am I?

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Bhagavan on Karma
Post by: Nagaraj on December 04, 2011, 03:49:19 PM
Question: Is it posssible to overcome, even while the body exists, the Prarabdha Karma which is said to last till the end of the body?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Yes. If the agent, upon whom the Karma depends, namely the ego, which has come into existence between the body and the Self, merges in its source and loses its form, how can the Karma, which depends upon it, survive? When there is no ‘I’ there is no Karma.

Question: It is said that Prarabdha Karma is only a small fraction of the Karma accumulated from previous lives. Is this true?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: A man might have performed many Karmas in his previous births. A few of these alone will be chosen for this birth and he will have to enjoy their fruits in this birth. It is something like a slide show where the projectionist picks a few slides to be exhibited at a performance; the remaining slides being reserved for another performance. All this Karma can be destroyed by acquiring knowledge of the Self. The different Karmas are the slides, Karmas being the result of past experiences, and the mind is the projector. The projector must be destroyed so that there will be no further reflection and no further births and no deaths.

Question: Who is the projectionist? What is the mechanism, which selects a small portion of the Sanchita Karma and then decides that it shall be experienced as Prarabdha Karma?
Sri Ramana Mahrshi: Individuals have to suffer their Karmas but Iswara manages to make the best of their Karmas for his purpose. God manipulates the fruits of Karma but he does not add or take away from it. The subconscious of man is a warehouse of good and bad Karma. Iswara chooses from this warehouse what he sees will best suit the spiritual evolution at the time of each man, whether pleasant or painful. Thus there is nothing arbitrary.

Question: In ‘Upadesa Saram', you say that Karma bears fruit by the ordinance of God (Karta). Does this mean that we reap the consequences of Karma solely because God wills it?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: In this verse Karta (God) means Iswara. He is the one who distributes the fruits of actions to each person according to his Karma. That means that he is the manifest Brahman. The real Brahman is unmanifest and without motion. It is only the manifest Brahman that is named as Iswara. He gives the fruit to each person according to his actions (Karma). That means that Iswara is only an agent and that he gives wages according to the labour done. That is all. Without this Sakti (power) of Iswara, this Karma would not take place. That is why Karma is said to be on its own, inert.

Questioner: The present experiences are the result of past Karma. If we know the mistakes committed before, we can rectify them.
Sri Ramana Maharshi: If one mistake is rectified there yet remains the whole Sanchita Karma from former births which is going to give you innumerable births. So that is not the procedure. The more you prune a plant, the more vigorously it grows. The more you rectify your Karma, the more it accumulates. Find the root of Karma and cut it off.

Question: Does the Karma theory mean that the world is the result of action and reaction? If so, action and reaction of what?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Until realisation there will be Karma, that is action and reaction. After realisation there will be no Karma and no world.

Question: If I am not the body why am I responsible for the consequences of my good and bad actions?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: If you are not the body and do not have the idea ‘I am the doer’, the consequences of your good or bad actions will not affect you. Why do you say about the actions the body performs ‘I do this’ or ‘I did that’? As long as you identify yourself with the body like that you are affected by the consequences of the actions, that is to say, while you identify with the body you accumulate good and bad Karma.

Questioner: But since I am not the body I am not really responsible for the consequences of good or bad actions.
Sri Ramana Maharshi: If you are not, why do you bother about the question?

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on December 04, 2011, 04:18:14 PM
Questioner: In some places it is stated that human effort is the source of all strength and that it can even transcend Karma. In others it is said that it is all divine grace. It is not clear which of them is correct.
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Yes, some schools of philosophy say that there is no God other than Karma of the previous birth, that is Karma done in the present birth in accordance with the scriptures is known as Purushkara (human effort), that the previous and present Karmas meet for a head-on fight like rams and that the one that is weaker gets eliminated. That is why these people say that one should strengthen Purushkara. If you ask such people what the origin of Karma is, they say that such a question is not to be raised as it is like the eternal question, ‘Which is earlier, the seed or the tree?’


Debates such as this are mere arguments, which can never arrive at the final truth. That is why I say first find out who you are. If one asks, ‘Who am I? How did I get this Dosha (fault) of life?’, the ‘I’ will subside and one will realise the Self. If one does this properly the idea of Dosha will be eliminated and peace will be obtained. Why even obtained? The Self remains as it is.


The essence of Karma is to know the truth of oneself by enquiring ‘Who am I, the doer, who begins to do Karmas?’ Unless the doer of Karmas, the ego, is annihilated through enquiry, the perfect peace of supreme bliss, which is the result of Karma Yoga, cannot be achieved.


Question: Can people wipe out the consequences of their bad actions by doing Mantras or Japa (repeating God’s name) or will they necessarily have to experience them?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: If the feeling ‘I am doing Japa’ is not there, the bad actions committed by a man will not stick to him. If the feeling ‘I am doing the Japa’ is there, the consequences of bad actions will persist.


Question: Does the Punya (merit accumulated from virtuous acts) extinguish Papa (demerit accumulated from sinful acts)?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: So long as the feeling ‘I am doing’ is there, one must experience the result of one’s acts, whether they are good or bad. How is it possible to wipe out one act with another? When the feeling that ‘I am doing’ is lost, nothing affects a man. Unless one realises the Self, the feeling ‘I am doing’ will never vanish. For one who realises the Self where is the need for Japa? Where is the need for Tapas (austerity)? Owing to the force of Prarabdha life goes on, but he who has realised the Self does not wish for anything.

Prarabdha Karma is of three categories, Ichha, Anichha and Parechha (personally desired, without desire and due to others' desire). For the one who has realised the Self, there is no Ichha-Prarabdha but the two others, Anichha and Parechha, remain. Whatever a Jnani (Self-realised) does is for others only. If there are things to be done by him for others, he does them but the results do not affect him. Whatever be the actions that such people do, there is no Punya and no Papa attached to them. But they do only what is proper according to the accepted standard of the world – nothing else.

Those who know that what is to be experienced by them in this life is only what is already destined in their Prarabdha will never feel perturbed about what is to be experienced. Know that all one’s experiences will be thrust upon one whether one wills them or not.



Question: The realised man has no further Karma. He is not bound by his Karma. Why should he still remain within his body?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Who asks this question? Is it the realised man or the Ajnani (ignorant)? Why should you bother what the Jnani (Self-realised) does or why he does anything? Look after yourself. You are now under the impression you are the body and so you think that the Jnani also has a body. Does the Jnani say he has a body? He may look to you as if he has a body and he may appear to be doing things with the body, as others do, but he himself knows that he is bodiless. The burnt rope still looks like a rope, but it can’t serve as a rope if you try to bind anything with it. A Jnani is like that – he may look like other people, but this is only an outer appearance. So long as one identifies oneself with the body, all this is difficult to understand.


That is why it is sometimes said in reply to such questions, ‘The body of the Jnani will continue till the force of Prarabdha works itself out, and after the Prarabdha is exhausted it will drop off’. An illustration made use of in this connection is that of an arrow already discharged which will continue to advance and strike its target. But the truth is the Jnani has transcended all Karmas, including the Prarabdha Karma, and he is not bound by the body or its Karmas.


Not even an iota of Prarabdha exists for those who uninterruptedly attend to space of consciousness, which always shines as ‘I am’, which is not confined in the vast physical space, and which pervades everywhere without limitations. Such alone is the meaning of the ancient saying, ‘There is no fate for those who reach or experience the heavens’.


Question: If a thing comes to me without any planning or working for it and I enjoy it, will there be no bad consequences from it?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: It is not so. Every act must have its consequences. If anything comes your way by reason of Prarabdha, you can’t help it. If you take what comes, without any special attachment, and without any desire for more of it or for a repetition of it, it will not harm you by leading to further births. On the other hand, if you enjoy it with great attachment and naturally desire for more of it, it is bound to lead to more and more births.


Question: According to the astrological science, predictions are made about coming events taking into account the influence of the stars. Is that true?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: So long as you have the feeling of egotism all that is true. When the egotism is destroyed, even if they appear to see they do not really see.


Destiny is the result of past action. It concerns the body. Let the body act as may suit it. Why are you concerned with it? Why do you pay attention to it? Should anything happen, it happens as the result of one’s past actions, of divine will and of other factors.


Question: The present is said to be due to past Karma. Can we transcend the past Karma by our free will now?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: See what the present is. If you do this you will understand what is affected by or has a past or a future, what is ever-present and always free and what remains unaffected by the past or future or by any past Karma.


Question: Is there such a thing as free will?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whose will is it? So long as there is the sense of doership, there is the sense of enjoyment and of individual will. But if this sense is lost through the practice of Vichara (self-enquiry), the divine will will act and guide the course of events. Fate is overcome by Jnana, Self-knowledge, which is beyond will and fate.

Question: I can understand that the outstanding events in a man’s life, such as his country, nationality, family, career or profession, marriage, death, etc., are all predestined by his Karma, but can it be that all the details of his life, down to the minutest, have already been determined? Now, for instance, I put this fan that is in my hand down on the floor here. Can it be that it was already decided that on such and such a day, at such and such an hour, I should move the fan like this and put it down here?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Certainly. Whatever this body is to do and whatever experiences it is to pass through was already decided when it came into existence.


Question: What becomes then of man’s freedom and responsibility for his actions?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: The only freedom man has is to strive for and acquire the Jnana (knowledge) which will enable him not to identify himself with the body. The body will go through the actions rendered inevitable by Prarabdha and a man is free either to identify himself with the body and be attached to the fruits of its actions or to be detached from it and be a mere witness of its activities.


Question: So free will is a myth?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Free will holds the field in association with individuality. As long as individuality lasts there is free will. All the scriptures are based on this fact and they advise directing the free will in the right channel.

Find out to whom free will or destiny matters. Find out where they come from, and abide in their source. If you do this, both of them are transcended. That is the only purpose of discussing these questions. To whom do these questions arise? Find out and be at peace.


Question: If what is destined to happen will happen, is there any use in prayer or effort or should we just remain idle?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it. One is to enquire for whom is this destiny and discover that only the ego is bound by destiny and not the Self, and that the ego is non-existent. The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realising one’s helplessness and saying all the time, ‘Not I but Thou, O Lord’, giving up all sense of "I" and ‘mine’ and leaving it to the Lord to do what He likes with you. Surrender can never be regarded as complete so long as the devotee wants this or that from the Lord. True surrender is love of God for the sake of love and nothing else, not even for the sake of liberation. In other words, complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through self-enquiry or through Bhakti Marga (path of devotion).

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Hari on December 04, 2011, 04:26:53 PM
Thank you, Nagaraj! That was more than helpful!
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: ramana_maharshi on December 05, 2011, 11:54:19 AM
Very nice explanation nagaaj garu.

BTW, i am india and currently in hyderabad and bhagavan willing i should be visiting ramana ashramam in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Does jnani know His prarabdha karma?
Post by: Nagaraj on December 06, 2011, 07:04:24 AM
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