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Title: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 03:36:54 PM
Here I'm going to post quotes of the Bible and I suggest we discuss them in Advaita manner which I believe is the true Jesus teaching.

The first quote is:
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“I [Jesus] am in God, and you are in Me, and I am in you.”
John 14:12

For me it's a dualistic way to explain the unexplainable non-dual state which is the nature of God. It's the most available way of description of reality that Jesus could give to the Jewish people which were in a totally dual state of consciousness.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 28, 2011, 04:04:35 PM


Dear ramana,

Nice. Sri Bhagavan used to quote the following:

I AM THAT I AM

The Kingdom of God is within you.



Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 05:14:16 PM
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“If you had known Me (Jesus), you also would have known My Father, and from this hour you do know Him and you have seen Him.”
John 14:7

Here in my opinion Jesus confirms that which Advaita teaches. Guru (Jesus) is the full manifestation of God (Brahman) as Atman in Him. Amen.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 05:36:05 PM
Yes, Sri Subramanian. These are of the most profound expressions in Bible and at all. Some people argue that the correct translation of "within" is "among" or "in the midst of" but oldest Bible sources tanslate it as "within".

I am that I am is the Name of the Lord that He Himself gave to the world.

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God said to Moses, “I AM WHO (THAT) I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you'.” Exodus 3:14

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Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is withinb you.”
Luke 17:20,21
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 28, 2011, 05:39:13 PM


Dear ramana 1359,

Very nice. In Christian theology Jesus is the son of God who shows the way to His Father. Comparably, yes, he is the Guru to
show the way to Self realization, Brahman [Father].



Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 28, 2011, 06:09:21 PM
"The ideals of Christ are the ideals of the scriptures of India. The precepts of Jesus are analogous to the highest Vedic teachings, which were in existence long before the advent of Jesus. This does not take away from the greatness of Christ; it shows the eternal nature of truth, and that Jesus incarnated on earth to give to the world a new expression of Sanatan Dharma"

 - Paramahamsa Yogananda

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 06:14:05 PM
Nagaraj, do you have an idea is Paramahansa Yogananda recognize Advaita teachings because I got the impression that He is visishtadvaitin.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 28, 2011, 06:25:34 PM


Dear ramana 1359 and Nagaraj,

There is one novel by Irwing Wallace, which came in 1980s, by the name Word. There he says, that the Bible does not speak
about the life of Jesus after his 16th year to his 32 end year when he was crucified. This intervening period, he is said to have
spent his time in Himalayas learning Vedic truths.  This is only a surmise.



Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 06:49:41 PM
Yes, I am aware of this theory. There is even a Gospel telling about this period. It's called "Tibetan gospel". Here it is:

http://www.essene.com/Issa.htm (http://www.essene.com/Issa.htm)
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 28, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
doesn't matter ramana, what matters are the words, the words of truth are first truth, primarily its all atmic principle and only then comes all the others which are secondary. Everybody agree the existence of "Soul" first lets realise that.

Why Bhagavan Ramana was only unique Sage in the entire evolution span of the universe since when it was created, is because, no other Sage revealed what Bhagavan said. He said that everybody agrees about the Atma, first lets realise ourselves as Atma and then we can talk about whether it is Advaita, Dvaita or Visishtadvaita or Father or Malik... what ever theories may exist.

Bhagavan never said a theory. at most he said his anubhooti matched with those of Shankara. I personally felt, the only reason why Shankara came up with the theory of 'adviata' was only to clear the confusions that existed at that time due to the the residue of misinterpretations of some of Buddha's disciples that created chaos in the society! If Everybody becomes a monk, what would happen to the world? Before Buddha there never existed any theory as such.

This one revelation by Bhagavan Ramanar is the father of all revelations. He broke any difference that could exist.

a Ramana devotee would not mind what the true theory is, he is more concerned about the TRUTH itself. A Ramana devotee sees the Atmic principle in every Saints words and he ignores any such theories if mentioned as he is well aware, that, in "that" state of union, there is no mind there, so who is there to affirm any theories there?

In larger scheme, at least personally, it doesn't matter :) infact, whatever literature i read, I see the same atmic principle in all sacred texts. I have read a little of Bible, Buddhists works, Qur-an, old testament, Ramanuja Visishtadvaita, Madhava Dvaita, and Nimbarka Advaitadvaia - They all conveyed the same Atmic Principle, but unfortunately culminated to some theories which was not necessary.

Which is, to atleast Bhagavan's devotees who are well read, consider Bhagavan as the ultimate, because he has made sure that we do not get caught in the theories and forget the fundamental truth the root, Atmic-abidance!

This is the greatest revelation!

There are no theories, only Self. It is neither Sunyata, Advaita, Dvaita, Visishtadvaita, Father, Jehovah, etc.... The Self Atma is ABSOLUTELY ATTRIBUTELESS. IT ALONE IS.

Here, there is no need for any attributes at all... attributes are the greatest "misleadings" to a sadhaka.

I am not sure, if this way be a perfect answer to your query, but this is how i view it :)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 28, 2011, 07:04:12 PM
What we indians call Dosa, in the west, it is called pan cakes.

This is the way, I view it, Advaita, Dvaita, etc...

Fundamentally it is made from batter (Atma) but the end product is only after it is cooked (realisation)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 28, 2011, 07:08:18 PM


One may wonder why Jesus always pointed out towards the Heaven and said, that is where my Father's Kingdom is there.
It is because, the Guru and Godhead should be treated as two different entities till one realizes Godhead. Sri Bhagavan
has also said that do not show advaita towards Guru.



Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 28, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
In continuance to my post, I believe, even if a fraud sage uttered the Veda (knowledge) the words don't become impure or fraud because of the saints misconduct :)

Even though the Swami Nithyananda was an embarrassment, his words, some of his quotes are the vedas only! those words have not become impure along with the Swamy! (just quoted for conveying the essence) His words have not become false because of his misconduct, because, they are truth!

Which is why, everything becomes a "Guru Tatva" upon proper discernment, because, a sadhaka is not bothered about the conduct of his Guru, his is more attentive to his quest of truth. He has realised the futility and inertness of the body. Even the Sage's body is not the Sage's (Atleast from such a Sadhaka's point of view) and such a Sadhaka can still realise the truth, being a disciple to even a fraud Sage who is deluding himself too!

NOTE: this does not applies to the masses, this is for sadhaka who has made proper deep enquiry and discernments.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 07:23:07 PM
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One may wonder why Jesus always pointed out towards the Heaven and said, that is where my Father's Kingdom is there.
It is because, the Guru and Godhead should be treated as two different entities till one realizes Godhead. Sri Bhagavan
has also said that do not show advaita towards Guru.

That was the only way Jews to follow Him. The teaching was according their state of consciousness I think. Most of the teachings of Jesus are pure Dvaita because of that.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on October 28, 2011, 08:01:41 PM
Subramanian garu even i have heard of the rumour that jesus came to india to learn vedic truths.

Dear Ramana1359 ,

thanks a lot for all these information you have given.

There is no denying of the fact that jesus and buddha are the great bubbles known to earth as stated by Swami Vivekananda though both fall short of the expectations for various reasons.

But As bhagavan says 'I am that I am' is the greatest mahavakya available in bible.

Unfortunately there are controversies in bible for which discussions are going on till today.

Issue #1 :->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Controversy_over_heliocentrism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Controversy_over_heliocentrism)

Biblical references Psalm 93:1, 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 include text stating that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." In the same manner, Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place" etc.

As known there was big fight between Pope and Galileo at that period where Galileo challenged geocentrism as stated in bible.

Infact still in our local newspapers this issue is displayed and debated. :-)


Issue #2 :-> In this website Dr Zakir Naik a famous international speaker raises many concerns over this sacred book.

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm (http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm)


So i think it is safe to say that bible can be referred to attain salvation and refer only to those verses and not to worry of other things like creation from this holy book.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 08:05:09 PM
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I am not sure, if this way be a perfect answer to your query, but this is how i view it :)

It's not about the theory but of the methods and the goal of it. Bhagavan says to us that the liberation means to be the Self. But Dvaita schools teach that the duality is the final goal. Following this theory you cannot even theoretically to be liberated because you will stop at some level concidering that this is the ultimate truth. Otherwise I completely share your opinion. I believe the knowledge about unity has been born from people following dualistic path but suddenly by God's grace they have realized the Supreme State of nonduality. Dvaita, Visishtadvaita and Advaita are just three paths according to the state of the human determined by his/her karma. All the ways are beautiful if they respect the other ones.

As Lord Krishna has said:

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"All paths lead to Me (the Self)"
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 08:09:36 PM
Bible is spiritual book. It's not about how exactly the world is created. And Jews who follow Kabbalah know that.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 28, 2011, 08:16:30 PM
Dear Prashant, that person if given a chance is capable of dividing the world to opposites Dr. Zakir Naik He is just a clever and dangerous intellect!
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 28, 2011, 08:20:50 PM
Dear Ramana,

yes, thats a valid point. yes in a way Advaita Siddhanta by itself inherently takes one away without any differences between god and us. Without any duality.

Dual schools are fed with dualities and causes a strict sense of separation between faiths. While Advaitins are able to accept all Gods, even multi religious, the dual schools are narrowed down to their own.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 08:36:38 PM
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Unfortunately there are controversies in bible for which discussions are going on till today.

Yes, prasanath, you are right. There controversies are undeniable. But this is only if you understand the stories and teachings literally. You don't think that the Almighty God created the world for 6 day and needed to rest I suppose. :) It means that everything has happened gradually. But the creation stories are only to satisfy the mind of the followers of that time. Nothing more, nothing less. Old Testament is not meant to be unerstood literally. That's all that I want to point out. :) Thank you for the links. :)
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 10:28:27 PM
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The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?" Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
The Gospel of Thomas, verse 18

May be in Advaita manner it would be something like that: The begginning and the end are The Self, God, the Father. Maya creates the illusion that there is beginning and end, life and death and so on. But the wise one knows for sure that beginning and the end are not different and stays only in the Source although the others consider Him as ordinary person with ordinary deeds.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on October 28, 2011, 11:03:32 PM
Dear ramana,

I agree with you now  :)

Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
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Jesus said: "He who knows the All but fails (to know) him-self lacks everything." Gospel of Thomas, verse 67

It's the core statement of jnana yoga. In mystic and gnostic christianity jnana it's called "gnosis". In Hebrew kabbalah - "daat". The only thing that Advaita can "add" is to capitalize the Self.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 29, 2011, 10:21:00 AM



Dear prasanth, ramana and Nagaraj,

Creation theories are there in our Vedas. Bible speak about Saptaham, 7 day work. But these are all for beginners who do
not comprehend the dhrshti-srshti vada or ajata vada of Gaudapada.

Sri Bhagavan has said that the Ajata Vada of Gaudpapada is the Truth.

As a concession He accepted dhshti srshti vada.

For people, who did not comprehend the above two, He said: "All right, take srshti-dhrshti vada as correct. But before seeing
which one of these is correct, see yourself within. Then all theories will fall in place."



Arunachala Siva.     
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on October 29, 2011, 02:35:26 PM
yes sir but what about the Issue # 1 i have raised ?

Issue #1 :->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Controversy_over_heliocentrism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Controversy_over_heliocentrism)

Biblical references Psalm 93:1, 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 include text stating that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." In the same manner, Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place" etc.

As known there was big fight between Pope and Galileo at that period where Galileo challenged geocentrism as stated in bible.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 29, 2011, 02:49:15 PM


Dear prasanth,

Yes. The proponents of of Srshti-Drshti Vada also believes that the world is permanent and cannot be destroyed, [i.e cannot
be moved, with its foundations strong and supported by God], until the Pralayam after the end of Kali Yuga. This is also not
acceptable for Ajata Vadis, because when there is no creation, where is the dissolution?  All appearances only.



Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Joey_ on October 29, 2011, 04:30:13 PM
Issue #2 :-> In this website Dr Zakir Naik a famous international speaker raises many concerns over this sacred book.

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm (http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm)

According to wikipedia Zakir Naik said:

"If bin Laden is fighting enemies of Islam, I am for him," and that "If he is terrorizing America — the terrorist, biggest terrorist — I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist."
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Joey_ on October 29, 2011, 04:38:56 PM
From Gospel of Thomas:

 Jesus said, "Why have you come out to the countryside? To see a reed shaken by the wind? And to see a person dressed in soft clothes, [like your] rulers and your powerful ones? They are dressed in soft clothes, and they cannot understand truth."

This remains me of Ramana saying that a wise person stays under the shade of the tree to shelter himself from the heat. And an unwise person keeps going back and forth.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 29, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
Der Joey_,

This person's (Zakir Naik) only agenda is to prove all other religions and paths as false and only his alone is the only way! A very dangerous person for the society. He does not have a decorum, decency in his debates and directly talks bluntly, what he alone thinks is right! He does not even have a pinch of respect to his co-participants, who are in discussion. A dangerous intellect! Really not worth being talked about or does he carry any credibility to take his views and opinions as a point of any reference?

Today, there are innumerable number of public speakers who can talk wonderfully but they don't have any substance. One who knows, remains silent, and one who does not, makes a lot of noise. A true christian, Jew, Hindu, muslim, etc... do not entertain such people and institutions run by them which go into the millions $

Issue #2 :-> In this website Dr Zakir Naik a famous international speaker raises many concerns over this sacred book.

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm (http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm)

According to wikipedia Zakir Naik said:

"If bin Laden is fighting enemies of Islam, I am for him," and that "If he is terrorizing America — the terrorist, biggest terrorist — I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist."

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 29, 2011, 06:15:58 PM


Dear Nagaraj, prasanth, Joey, ramana 1359 and others.

What is advaita? It speaks of oneness. There is no even difference between Jiva and Brahaman.  Only our ignorance hides
the Jiva from shining as Brahman.  The prime ignorance is ego.

Sri Sankara was an advaitin to core. But at the same time, he knew that commoners would not understand it without formal
worships of various gods in Hindu pantheon. He wrote heart melting verses on Siva [Sivamanasa Puja, Siva Panchakshara
Stotram, Sivananda Lahari etc.,]  on Devi [Devi Kshaparamadamana Stotram, Bhavani Ashtakam, Sri Soundarya Lahari  etc.,] on Vishnu [Hari pada stuti, Sri Vishnu Sahasranama Bhashyam] on Skanda [Subrahmanya Pujangam], on Vinayaka [Ganesa Pancharatna
Stotram.,] etc.,  He embraced all the woships of Hindu gods. Had he known about Jesus, he would have written on Jesus also.

So Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma. It embraces all religions. Even Jains and Buddhists only when they were stopping worships of
Hindu gods, saints like Jnana Samandahar and Manikkavachagar had to come to the scene.,

The other religions are not like that. Chrisitian missionaries wanted Hindus to be first converted into Christians. Moslems did it
at the sword point. But Sri Bhagavan did not do any of these. He said Atma is common to all, and every person of every faith
can do atma vichara.



Arunachala Siva.         
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 29, 2011, 06:38:39 PM
Suppose a child, who is good in drawing and is really very slow in learning grammar, then how would the child feel, if it be told, you are bad, and to somebody, if we tell he is bad in grammar and keep reminding him about his badness to others, then that child would only develop complex and become an un-confident person.

Instead if we focus on the child's abilities of drawing, and praise the child to others about his drawing skills, then that child would blossom as great flower and would only have positive vibes around him, and he would make others smile and happy.

In the same way, instead of picking up the matters that are in black, from the scriptures of all religions, if we picked up the good quotes that makes ones faith higher and better that that is Dharma. Not picking the ones that are black and in doubt!

Interpretations are many! Isn't it ridiculous that in one of the Ramayana, RAMA IS PORTRAYED AS THE VILLAIN AND RAVANA HAS BEEN PORTRAYED AS THE HERO!

Recently, a movie was made in Hindi "Raavan" which portrayed Rama in bad shade and Ravana as the better person. Such kind of mentality should never be encouraged in the name of knowing what is right and wrong, absolutely not at the cost of goodness!

Lets focus only on the positive. Negative spirituality should never be encouraged, that which questions ones faith, should be abhorred and be rejected as poison.

We should make it a habit to never point out the weakness, where ever, what ever it may be, including scriptures. Always pointing out the GOOD THINGS in everything is the SANATHANA DHARMA way!

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 29, 2011, 06:52:18 PM


At least Lal Kishan Advani is quite truthful.  He has said: All Moslems are not terrorists but all terrorists [caught by government
of India, so far] are Moslems. Dr. Zakir Naik is insane when he says that all Moslems should become terrorists.

The very act of violence is in the blood of most of the Moslems.,  That is why, there is no democracy in almost 99% of Moslem nations.
Most of them are dictatorships, giving one revolution after another, with no stability in government. One dictator leaves his post only
on his assassination and another dictator comes only to be assassinated after a few years.  Or some of them are ousted by
public outrage. This has happened recently with Egypt's Mubarak and Libya's Mohammar Gadaffi. Sudan is now erupting.



Arunachala Siva.       
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 29, 2011, 07:05:24 PM
Subramanian Sir,

Falsehood spreads like virus. Such people are virus really - They have their own interpretations of Quran, and in the name of Jihad, they do all nonsense. Some countries, they kill person, if they are found doing some silly mistakes, they are killed, by throwing stones and what not!

But, what I felt is, instead of referring to these incidents, if we ourselves, pick some verses from Quran and look for its meaning and essence, then, we will see the true essence of those verses, We should never take some commentary blindly! after all a commentary is mind's work and that commentators personal agenda would be incorporated in that work. That is why, I have been stressing, instead of quoting, who criticized what, and what has been criticized, if we quote "quotable quotes" that is great dharma, great Yajna, great sacrifice especially in this kali yuga!

When we talk about Muslims, instead of talking about Gaddafi, Osama Bin Laden and Mubarak, Zakir Naik, WE CAN TALK ABOUT DR. APJ ABDUL KALAM, Akbar, etc... that would make our muslim brethren feel secured, and would stop the hatred for them in our heart also (which is most important - that is what is happening) instead if we keep talking about the negative evils, that makes them rebel, and hate feelings creeps within ourselves! Because of some, many are hurt, the community is branded. just because some small drop of controversies and evil spreads like virus! When one is hurt what needs is not criticisms but words of "Hitham" Good positivity, Hope, happiness!

Talk only good, for it is really for thyself alone! when we talk bad about others, it creates hatred in us!

We should have that positive dimension... and positive outlook. The world needs that now. This is what i stress upon.. this is more important i felt.

similarly to the Christians and other Hindus as well. Everybody!

The Avatar of Kabir Shirdi Sai Baba throws much light on these aspects! by doing this, we are doing Dharma. Dharmo Rakshati Rakshatah

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on October 29, 2011, 08:05:05 PM
Nagaraj garu,

That 2009 movie raavan you are talking about is directed by Mani Ratnam sir.

I think He wants to highlight dravida samskruthi which is very bad.

We all know how much extent some tamilians like periyar nand his wife went by throwing lord rama's idols in fire and praising ravana.

Even so called Mr Karunadhi also famously questioned Lord rama by asking "who is lord rama and from which engineering college did he gradudated.." thanks to mature tamilian like Subramanian swamy he made sure Mr karunanidhi know the basics.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 29, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
Dear friends, I am afraid that every religion possesses element of fanaticism. Even in Hinduism - vaishnavism, saivism, shaktism, ganapatya. All of them like christianity and islam teach that their views are "right" and only their God is real or supreme. From my observations vaishnavas are the most intolerant among hinduists. Like they have a patent for Krishna or Rama and all other Gods are inferior and unimportant. May be the situation with the other denomination is the same. I cannot say. I have faced only with Hare Krishna community personally because I am not from India. They are so intolerant. The only difference from the christianity of the Middle Ages is that they didn't kill anybody in the name of their faith. They call others stupid, ignorant and so on. It's a part of every religion and culture.

Dear friends, brothers and sisters. Let they do what they are predestined to do. What they do is not their choice. Don't hate anybody, say ill to none! Don't judge! Be tolerant, patient and positive. Follow what you believe and go ahead! On this occasion I will quote two of my favorite Bible quotes:

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“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
Luke 6:37, 38

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Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:34-40
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 29, 2011, 08:48:30 PM


Dear prasanth,

You should be knowing some truths about answers given to Periyar and Karunanidhi:

1. When K asked what engg college Rama studied, one simple reader of the Hindu asked him: What engineering college
Karikal Chozhan studied, since he has built Grand Anicut in Thanjavur district, a dam which has no seen any major repairs
since 1000 years!  What engg college did King Raja Raja study, to build Thanjavur Big Temple, in which the single tower
in the middle is an architectural marvel. This temple is also 1000 years old.

2. Periyar had a Vinayaka Temple inside his house!

3. When Karunanidhi was arrested by Jayalalitha during her earlier tenure about 10 years back, in the midnight, and when
police pushed him to the downstairs to get into the jeep, he cried, Ayyo, Muruga, they are going to kill me. Muruga save me!
This video clipping was shown in Sun TV!

4. For attaining bail for Kanimozhi, her mother Rajathi, one of the three wives of K is going for Navagraha Pradakshina every
day in Chennai in an obscure temple, without anyone knowing it.

5. Poor Raja has not such godly supporters for him to do archana and pradakshina for Navagraha!



Arunachala Siva.         
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 29, 2011, 09:16:09 PM
That 2009 movie raavan you are talking about is directed by Mani Ratnam sir.
I think He wants to highlight dravida samskruthi which is very bad.

Dear Prashant ji, just want to point out that Dravida Samskara is not what what Mani Ratnam portrayed or what Periyar or Karunanidhi portray, that is wrong. Dravida Samskara is Vedic Samskara.

Equating Dravida with DMK party or ADMK party and periyar or karunanidhi is wrong. What these people portray is far from the true spirit of Dravida.

Another myth is the Aryan-Dravidian theory. Some westerner interpretted the Aryans as white skinned and Dravidians as black skins, and in the vedic mantras there are many versed that portray fight between the whites and black which really meant the fight between the Asuras and Suras (Devas) actually a fight between the Good and Bad within oneself, but the westerners interpretted this as white and black and created an artificial divide between the Aryans and Dravidians. This did not exist before 200 years.

Dravidian samskara goes back to Agastya, Murugan, Cholas, Pandyas. Not Mani Ratnam, Karunanidhi or Periyar....

True Dravidian Samskara, you can find in the Nayanmar stories, from the very many tamil stories.

:)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 29, 2011, 10:27:34 PM
Dear Ramana,

That is beautifully conveyed - "Tolerance" has to be our (a Sadhaka) staple diet.

There is one beautiful verse of wisdom in sanskrit -

पिण्डे पिण्डे मतिर्भिन्ना कुण्डे कुण्डे नवं पय: |
जातौ जातौ नवाचारा: नवा वाणी मुखे मुखे ||


Varied is the intellect in different people; varied is the (taste in) water from different sources; varied are the customs for different descents; varied are the speech from different visages.

Each person (pinDah) has different aptitude / opinion (no two brains are alike). water in different ponds differ. different casts / communities have their own ways of life. ( they have their own rules and regulations etc.) each mouth speaks different language. There is a diversity in this world. No two things are same. This to some extent explains our (Sanatana Dharma) tolerance towards different religions / cultures. we accept that all cant be same. By this we alow other to be 'different' and follow their own way.

धर्म यो बाधते धर्मा न स धर्मः कुधर्मकः ।
अविरोधात्तु यो धर्मः स धर्मः सत्यविक्रम ॥


That faith (dharma) which opposes another faith is not a real faith. Its fake. That faith which believes in univeral tolerance is the real faith.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 29, 2011, 10:38:03 PM
Very profound verse indeed, Nagaraj! Thank you! This reminded me about a part of Dhammapada of Lord Buddha. He has said:

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"Look how he abused me and hurt me,
How he threw me down and robbed me."
Live with such thoughts and you live in hate.
"Look how he abused me and hurt me,
How he threw me down and robbed me."
Abandon such thoughts, and live in love.
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the law,
Ancient and inexhaustible.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 29, 2011, 10:51:02 PM
Excellent quote ramana :) !  here are some more nice quotes of sai baba -

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 29, 2011, 10:59:37 PM
Thank you, Nagaraj! And because this topic is about Christianity and Advaita I want to post this symbol and we never to forget one of its most profound meanings which is "Kill the ego and be free":
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Gold_Christian_Cross_no_Red.svg/528px-Gold_Christian_Cross_no_Red.svg.png)
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on October 29, 2011, 11:19:13 PM
well said subramanian garu and yes that is a slapping reply by the hindu reader.

nagaraj garu yes you are right sir few people like mani ratnam etc are mis-intrepreting dravida samsruthi and thanks for letting us know about the truths sir.

Dear ramana,

Those bible quotes are great but honestly i feel the depth which sanatana dharma scriptures have is missing in other scriptures like bible,quran etc.

All other scriptures don't really touch on root causes of misery like desires,ego,attachment,5 elements in nature,3 gunas etc etc.

If you read scriptures like bhagavad gita you will know from where i am coming from.

Other scriptures like bible and quran are probably good for starters like they say "Do Good See Good Be Good" to all and your neighbours etc etc but don't really stress on why we should do good etc.

If one is serious and want to understand within then sanatana dharma is the final destination is my personal opinion.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on October 30, 2011, 01:25:06 AM
This article gives details regarding Jesus In India

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm (http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm)

However there is one theory which says that there is no historical evidence whatsoever about the life and death of jesus.
They say jesus appears to be a mythical figure created to destabilise Judaism.

Anyways there are various theories and we donot know what is real and i suggest we stop discussing about other gods and their teachings and concentrate on bhagavan ramana.


Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 30, 2011, 07:34:53 AM
Prasanth, it seems you are not inclined to Jesus and Muhammad teachings. If I am right there is nothing wrong with it.
We cannot ignore and the stigma the church has put on Jesus' pure teachings, nor the muslim's fanatical interpetation of the Quran over the centuries. But it doesn't mean that they are wrong or inferior. Their teachings were according to the spiritual maturity of the community they have spoken of. The cows can have different colors of the skin but they all give white milk. The mature spiritual seeker will behave properly, speak truthfully, act rightly no matter what his/her religion is. Christianity is not only the church. Gnosticism and mystical christianity are counterparts of Hindu's Advaita. Sufism is the muslim accordance of nonduality. The differences and the names come from the mind - our dear friend and the greatest enemy.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on October 30, 2011, 11:35:21 AM
Dear ramana sir,

I 100% agree with you andi.

As you said their teachings were according to the spiritual maturity of the community they have spoken of.


Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 30, 2011, 12:45:17 PM
Saint Paul has said:

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I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
1 Cor 15:31

When someone surrenders completely to the Lord or the Guru her/his ego slowly, day by day is dying which results in supreme bliss. This is experience of the followers of every religion. Unfortunately a few people surrender completely to the Supreme.


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I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.
Gal 2:20

When the ego dies there is no individual who does the work. There is no "I-thought" which to desire. Everything is happening by God's will and because of that everything is pure and without any sins.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 30, 2011, 01:55:55 PM


Dear ramana 1359,

Nice Biblical quotes giving the description of surrender, total surrender, in a different fashion.



Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 30, 2011, 02:01:38 PM



Dear ramana 1359,

See how this also reflects surrender:

Those who labor and are heavy laden, come unto me, I shall give thee rest.

Sri Bhagavan also says: It is enough, that I bear the burden of this world on my head, in the absence of Your company. O Arunachala,
do not keep me away from your feet.  (Padigam Verse 9)



Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 30, 2011, 03:12:52 PM



Dear ramana 1359,

I do not know whether you know about Tamizh Bible which came in late 18th century. It was translated from original Hebrew,
by Jesuit fathers and scholars who learned Tamizh for this purpose. The first Tamizh bible was published by the Tirunelveli
Diocese, Tamizh Nadu.

The translators should have taken enormous trouble.  They have tried their best to use Tamizh equivalents [Sanskritised] and
used many Hindu usages. For example, Holy Bible is called Parisuddha Vedaagamam.  It is Vedam and Agamam for Chrisitians!

Some of the Tamizh equivalents for Bible names:

Jesus Christ - Yes Kiristhu

Joseph - Yosappu

Mary - Mari

Magadalene - Magadalena

Daniel - Dhanial

David - Daaveedu

Genesis - Adiaagamam

Revelations - VeLipadugal

Gospel - Suvisesham

John - Yovan

Mark - MaRku

Apostles - Apostalasau

Luke - Lookka

In fact, I studied in Christian High school and  I studied only Tamizh Bible in Moral Lessons Class!




Arunachala Siva.     
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 30, 2011, 04:12:03 PM
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Those who labor and are heavy laden, come unto me, I shall give thee rest.

Very correct parallel in my opinion, Subramanian. It's also what Lord Krishna has said:

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"Abandon all varieties of mundane religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear."
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on October 30, 2011, 04:25:07 PM
Dear Ramana, Subramanian Sir,

The following point is interesting:

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“Jesus” is a transliteration, occurring in a number of languages and based on the Latin Iesus, of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iēsoûs), itself a Hellenisation of the Hebrew יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (Yĕhōšuă‘, Joshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic יֵשׁוּעַ (Yēšûă‘).meaning "Yahweh delivers (or rescues)

Therefore, the name Jesus does not refer to jesus the person, "Jesus" is another name of "Aham" the "Self" that "I" is the deliverance, that "I" is the Kingdom of Heaven.

When Jesus said Father, "Jesus" is the 'Vijnanamaya Kosha" that sees the Self and sees it as the Father, the father is the source.

Bhagavan said "Seeing is Being"

First We see, and that seeing culminates into being, therefore, "Seeing" is "Jesus" and "Being" is "Father" both the "Self"

The "seeing" intellect is "Son" and the "Seen" is itself the source "Father" The Seer and the Seen, both are the same Self.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 31, 2011, 04:45:58 PM
‘As Creator, God is both Trinity and Unity. As Infinite, He is neither Trinity nor Unity, nor anything that can be enunciated’ (Nicholas of Cusa, cardinal of the Catholic Church, 1401-1464)
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on October 31, 2011, 05:32:35 PM
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"Omitting to seek after God, and creation, and things similar to these, seek for Him from (out of) thyself, and learn who it is that absolutely appropriates (unto Himself) all things in thee, and says, "My God my mind, my understanding, my soul, my body." And learn from whence are sorrow, and joy, and love, and hatred, and involuntary wakefulness, and involuntary drowsiness, and involuntary anger, and involuntary affection; and if you accurately investigate these (points), you will discover (God) Himself, unity and plurality, in thyself, according to that tittle, and that He finds the outlet (for Deity) to be from thyself."
Monoimus (150-210 CE), Arabian Gnostic teacher
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 02, 2011, 09:55:30 AM
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Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

“You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”

“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Jesus knew He is the great I am from the Old Testament. The Jews realized what He meant and they wanted to kill Him for blasphemy.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 06, 2011, 04:16:48 PM
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I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than alld; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
John 10:28-30

I think that this means at least two things:
1. I (jivatma) am the Father (Brahman, Shiva, the Self) = Aham brahmasmi
2. I (Guru) am the Father (the Absolute, Shiva, the Self). This reminds me of this verse:
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"Gurur – Brahma
Gurur – Vishnuh
Guru – devo Mahesvarah
Gurur – sakshat Param Brahma
Tasmai Sri Gurave namah"
which means: "Guru is Brahma, Guru is Vishnu and Guru is Lord Shiva (Maheshvara).  Guru is the Brahman infact. My salutations to the Guru."
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 06, 2011, 05:31:27 PM


Dear ramana,

Yes. I that is the individual self and Father, the Self are one and the same.  This is pure advaita.



Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 07, 2011, 11:49:20 AM
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To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father.”

In my opinion "truth" means "jnana". Only the jnani is free from the mind and respectively from the sins. By Father's grace Jesus has realized that He is not bound, that He is the Supreme Christ Consciousness which is the foundation of the so called world which is the Self. Jesus wanted everybody to know this Truth.

Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on November 07, 2011, 02:09:16 PM
Bhagavad Gita one of the oldest scripture in the world i.e 5000 yrs ago which means atleast some 3000 yrs before christinity and islam emerged has some beautuful quotes regarding self and Consciousness.

One of the fav quote which for bhagavan is the fav quote

Ch2 Text55

The Blessed Lord said: O Partha, when a man gives up all varieties of sense desire which arise from mental concoction, and when his mind finds satisfaction in the self alone, then he is said to be in pure transcendental consciousness.

Ch3 Text39

Thus, a man's pure consciousness is covered by his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and which burns like fire.

Ch5 Text 8-9

A person in the divine consciousness, although engaged in seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, moving about, sleeping and breathing, always knows within himself that he actually does nothing at all. Because while speaking, evacuating, receiving, opening or closing his eyes, he always knows that only the material senses are engaged with their objects and that he is aloof from them.

Ch10 Text20

I am the Self, O Gudakesa, seated in the hearts of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all beings.


Ch13 Text 30

One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 14, 2011, 04:43:08 PM
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Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Matthew 7:1,2
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Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Galatians 6:7,8
These verses show the eternal law of karma.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 15, 2011, 04:33:03 AM
Dear ramana,

In Tamizh, they used to say in a proverb,

Thinai, one who sows thinai, millet, reaps thinai.
Vinai, one who sows karma good or bad, reaps such karmas.

There is another one,

MuRpagal,i.e forenoon, if you do anything,
PiRpagal, i.r afternoon, you will obtain the reaction.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 16, 2011, 08:15:21 PM
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“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
John 15:1-8

Nothing is possible without the Grace of the Guru who is God in human form. Without the Grace of the Lord we cannot even breathe, we would be like withered branches. Any other interpretation are very wellcome.  :)
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 17, 2011, 06:29:33 AM
Dear ramana,

Guru is the bridge between Jiva and Godhead. Satyamangalam Venkataramana Iyer
in his Ramana Sadguru song says that Sri Bhagavan is the word "asi" in Tattvam asi
Mahavakya, that which connects tat, Self and tvam, You.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 30, 2011, 05:10:48 PM
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Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we don’t know where You are going, so how can we know the way?” Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you really knew Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know Me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

I think that Jesus' words are clear enough.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on November 30, 2011, 06:32:43 PM
Beautiful Ramana...

This is simple & profound, any lay man can understand, with off-course, proper discernment of Who/What "Son" is and Who/What "Father" is

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on December 05, 2011, 10:35:36 AM
Dear Ramana,

Can you please let me know if there are any quote about "Non Doership" in Bible? The parallels for "I am not the Doer, But Thou Art!"

The abandonment of "Not me, my, I etc... but only Thou" etc,

Thanks in advance

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on December 05, 2011, 05:02:47 PM
One quote comes in my mind right now:

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Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in Me? The words I say to you are not just My own. Rather, it is the Father, living in Me, Who is doing His work.
John 14:10
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on December 06, 2011, 07:02:36 AM
Thank you Ramana, I was asking as I wanted to get this idea to one of my friends who is a christian. There is huge difference in just knowing that God is doing his work and discerning that God is the real doer, and this truth about "non doership"

Proper discernment is very much necessary for every persons of all religions to be able to 'see' the 'truth' without borrowed ideas out of just hearsay from bland sermons.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on December 21, 2011, 04:25:31 PM
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"What we are looking for is What is looking."
St.Francis of Assisi
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on December 22, 2011, 03:51:18 PM
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"Be still before the Lord and wait patiently for Him."

Psalm 37:7
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on December 22, 2011, 04:04:46 PM
Dear Ramana, nice quotes! I found a good post by Prashant, further on several Biblical quotations and Bhagavan's teachings:

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on January 03, 2012, 06:45:08 AM
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Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.'"
Gospel of Thomas
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on January 03, 2012, 10:58:54 PM
I watched a movie titled "Into great silence". It presents the life of christian monks who live high in the French Alps. Anyone who wants can find the movie. Here some of the quotes in it:

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"Behold the silence: allow the Lord to speak one word in us, that He is."

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You shall seek Me, and you shall find Me. Because you seek Me with all your heart, I will let Myself be found.

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Anyone who does not give up all he has cannot be My disciple.

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I am the One who is.



Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on January 18, 2012, 06:58:27 PM
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Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

The Gospel of Thomas, verse 70
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on January 20, 2012, 05:17:53 PM
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Jesus says: "I will destroy this house [viz. the body], and no one will be able to build it again."
Gospel of Thomas, verse 71

This seems contrary to the Chrurch teachings about resurrection. The cause for that is the misunderstanding of the word "resurrection". According to the Gospel of Philip, which is not included in the Bible as the Gospel of Thomas, resurrection is spiritual:
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"People who say they will first die and then arise are mistaken.  If they do not first receive resurrection while they are alive, once they have died they will receive nothing."
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on January 21, 2012, 01:30:35 PM
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    When Jesus saw the crowd around Him, He gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake.

    Then a teacher of the law came to Him and said, “Teacher, I will follow You wherever You go.” Jesus replied, “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.”

    Another disciple said to Him, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” But Jesus told him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”
Matthew 8:18-22

"The Son of Man has no place to lay His head" because He is everywhere. And at the same time He is beyond time and space.

“Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.” Those who don't follow Jesus (I am the Way, the Truth and the Life) are already dead. That's the same what Lord Krishna says in Gita:

   
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But those who carp at My teaching and do not practise it, deluded in all knowledge and devoid of discrimination, know them to be doomed to destruction (dead).
BG 3:32
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2012, 02:54:42 PM
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“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Matthew 6:19-21

The world is transitory. When we cling to the world we are doomed. We will lose everything - house, family, friends, even our body and current life. But if we rest in the Self (if we merge in the Heart from where we emerge) then we are free. Because the Self was never born or destroyed. I would appreciate another interpretations of these verses. :)
Title: The story of Jesus and Samaritan woman
Post by: Hari on February 06, 2012, 01:56:51 AM
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Now He had to go through Samaria. So He came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as He was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about the sixth hour. When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give Me a drink?” (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.) The Samaritan woman said to Him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can You ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans). Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and Who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked Him and he would have given you living water.” “Sir,” the woman said, “You have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can You get this living water? Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his flocks and herds?” Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”

This well is God, Brahman, The Eternal Self - the source of all happiness.

(http://caritasetveritas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Jesus-the-Samaritan-Woman.jpg)
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on February 09, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
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As dead flies give perfume a bad smell, so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor.

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Ecclesiastes 10:1,2
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on February 10, 2012, 03:55:27 PM
Dear ramana

Sri Bhagavan often used to quote the second line.  He also loved the phrase: I AM THAT I AM.


Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on February 21, 2012, 06:53:07 PM
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Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at My saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

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Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi: "Forgetfulness of the real nature is the real death. Remembrance of it, it is the true birth.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on February 22, 2012, 10:57:42 AM
Dear prasanth,

It is said so. In Jesus' life from his 17th year till his crucifixion in his 32nd year, there are no details or preachings.
It is said that he came to India and lived in Himalayas with Hindu monks and Buddhist monks. Irving Wallace mentions it
indirectly in his book THE WORD.

Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on February 22, 2012, 12:59:48 PM
thanks for the info subramanian garu.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on February 22, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
Dear prasanth,

There is also a book DID JESUS REALLY COME TO INDIA?  But I have not seen or read this book. Of course, all are surmises only.


Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: ramana_maharshi on February 22, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
Thanks once again subramanian garu.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 01, 2012, 04:44:14 PM
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The Lord is my shepherd,
I shall not want;
He makes me lie down in green pastures.
He leads me beside still waters;
He restores my soul.
He leads me in paths of righteousness
for His name's sake.

Even though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil;
for You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
all the days of my life;
and I shall dwell in the house of the
Lord forever.

Psalm 23
Title: What does this Bible passage mean in the light of advaita?
Post by: Kicsi108 on April 02, 2012, 12:01:30 AM
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Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

Christians say that only Jesus can 'save' us. This excludes all other religions, paths according to the Christian view.


But what does this passage mean in the light of advaita?


Thank You for your kind and helpful answers!
Arunachalam
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 02, 2012, 12:21:24 AM
Dear Kicsi108, what it means in the light of Advaita is like this:

I am [the Self, the infinite Awareness, the thoughtless Mind, the Silence, the Guru within] (is) the way, I am (is) the Truth and the Life. No one come to the Father except through Me [No one can come to the Father except through the Way I teach].

And the summum bonum of all the Bible is ""Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind"; and, "Love your neighbor as yourself"."


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36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself (your Self).’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
 
Matthew, chapter 22
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 02, 2012, 12:41:49 AM
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Dear Ramana,

Can you please let me know if there are any quote about "Non Doership" in Bible? The parallels for "I am not the Doer, But Thou Art!"

The abandonment of "Not me, my, I etc... but only Thou" etc,

Thanks in advance

Salutations to Bhagavan


Dear Nagaraj, I remembered and this one:

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39 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and His disciples followed Him.
40 On reaching the place, He said to them, “Pray that you will not fall into temptation.”
41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,
42 “Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done.”

Luke, chapter 22
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Ravi.N on April 02, 2012, 07:57:22 AM
Ramana/Nagaraj/Friends,

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Dear Ramana,

Can you please let me know if there are any quote about "Non Doership" in Bible? The parallels for "I am not the Doer, But Thou Art!"

The abandonment of "Not me, my, I etc... but only Thou" etc,

Thanks in advance

Salutations to Bhagavan

There is the wonderful Lord's Prayer:
Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.
Give us this day our daily bread
.
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil

'Daily Bread' means that all results are given by him only.
'Forgive us our Debts'-means free us from all Karma.
'Deliver us from Evil' means Deliver us from mAyA.
'Thy Kingdom come.Thy will be done' means that this world and its beings are manifestation of God and everything happens by his will.

An excerpt from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:
Knowledge and ignorance
MASTER (to the Vaishnava devotee): "The feeling of 'Thee and Thine' is the outcome of
Knowledge; 'I and mine' comes from ignorance. Knowledge makes one feel: 'O God, Thou
art the Doer and I am Thy instrument.
O God, to Thee belongs all-body, mind, house, family, living beings, and the universe. All
these are Thine. Nothing belongs to me.'
"An ignorant person says, 'Oh, God is there-very far off.' The man of Knowledge knows
that God is right here, very near, in the heart; that He has assumed all forms and dwells in
all hearts as their Inner Controller."

Namaskar.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on April 02, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
Dear Ravi,

Nice. Wonderful excerpts from the Bible and 
Sri Ramakrishna's teachings.


Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: cefnbrithdir on April 05, 2012, 03:33:11 PM
Gospel of John (Jn) 8.57  " You are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham !" 8.58 "Jesus said to them "Truly I say to you before Abraham was born, I am"

Just after this is the wonderful Chapter 9. This is ostensibly about Jesus healing a blind man, but under the surface there are deeper resonating meanings.

First Jesus is asked why the man was born blind. His reply is not that he has sinned or his parents but that the works of God may be displayed in him.

Jesus sends him off to a Pool in Jerusalem to wash - which might have been quite some way for a man who was blind.

When he comes back seeing, there is almost a pantomine discussion between people as to whether this is the same man they had seen previously as a beggar. Some say yes some say no. This all leads to him replying  (in exactly the same Greek words as Jesus just before in Chapter Eight)  "I am ".

There is then a long discussion between  him and the religious authorities as to how he can now see and whether Jesus who has done this is himself a sinner or not because this healing happened on the Sabbath which broke the religious laws.  The religious authorities disbelieve him and send for his parents who say that he is of age he can speak for himself !

The man who is now full of confidence says "You don't know where he (Jesus) comes from yet he opened my eyes.... Not since time began (or could be translated "out of the eternal")  has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a man born blind".

This  resonates back to the original "fall of Adam" in the Garden of Eden.

This has been traditionally interpreted as Adam's disobedience in eating, with his wife, the apple of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which of all the food in the Garden, God had told him not to eat.

But in Advatic terms  the problem lay in Adam and Eve considering themselves separate from God before they ate anything. How else could the serpent have persuaded them that somehow God was withholding something from them and that they would become God if they ate from this Tree ? The irony is huge because Good and Evil only exist  as "realities" in a state separate from God.

But to return to the poetry of the story... when  they ate the apple "their eyes were opened they knew they were naked". That is they had a Body Consciousness. They were ashamed and  covered themselves with fig leaves and hid themselves from God.

Later God came looking for them  "Where art thou ?". Adam says "I was afraid because I was naked and I hid myself". God says "Who told you that you were naked ....."

Now to return to John Chapter 9.

Jesus' opening of the blind man eyes is the undoing of  Adam's problems  in Genesis.

See also  the Gospel of Thomas Logion 37  "His disciples said; On what day wilt thou be revealed to us and on what day shall we see thee ? Jesus said : When you unclothe yourselves and are not ashamed and take your garments and lay them beneath your feet like little children and tread upon them and then shall  ye see the Son of the living One, and ye shall not fear".

In John Chapter 1 (after the prologue) there is a  progression of titles for Jesus.

The progression starts with the disciples referring to him as Master/Rabbi/Teacher  then moves on to Christ/Messiah/Anointed One.  But the progression  ends with Jesus referring to himself as the Son of Man. The chapter concludes  with Jesus saying  "I tell you the truth, you shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man".

This clearly refers to the story - again in Genesis - of Jacob's Ladder. Jacob dreams of a ladder set up on earth and reaching to heaven and the angels of God ascending and descending on it. God stood above it and said " I am the God of Abraham ....and  in they seed shall all  the families of the earth be blessed".

When Jacob woke up, he said "Surely the Lord is in this place and I knew it not. How awesome is this place. This is none other than the house of God and this is the gate of heaven".

So Jesus as Son of Man is  the passageway from earth to heaven and for a new realisation of the earth.

See also in Luke 17.21 Jesus says  "the Kingdom of God will not come with observation (of external things) nor will they say "Look here it is" or "There it is "  (advaita !) for the Kingdom of God is within you". 
Gospel of Thomas Logion 3  "But the Kingdom is within you and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves then shall you be known and you shall know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you are that poverty". 
And later Logion 113 " His disciples said to him: On what day will the kingdom come ? Jesus said; "It cometh not with observation. They will not say Lo here ! or Lo there! But the kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth and men do not see it ".

But again to return to John Chapter 9.

The same progression of titles is here as in Chapter 1. First Rabbi,  then (only as an aside)  Christ,  and finally on the momentous occasion when the  man (the second "I am") meets again and sees for the first time Jesus.

Jesus says to him   "Do you believe in the Son of Man ? "  The man says " I believe Lord " and he worshipped him.

The Greek verb used  here  - proskunew - is terribly strong in John. It is only  used for worship of God. So this is the first and only time in the Gospel that Jesus is worshipped.  And by a devotee who prostrates himself before the person who has made him one with himself.

Gospel of Thomas Logion 106  " Jesus said:  When you make the two one, you shall become Sons (plural) of Man (singular) and when you say: Mountain be moved, it shall be moved".

Amen.






Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 13, 2012, 10:16:05 PM
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1. And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

The Sacred Gospel of St. Thomas

Lord Jesus again says that we should seek the Kingdom of God which is God Himself, the Self and we should not stop until we find It. Only then we will be in rest. There are many impediments in our life but whatever happens we must continue our quest whatever it takes.
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Post by: Subramanian.R on April 14, 2012, 01:41:53 PM

Dear ramana and others,

The Kingdom of God is within.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: nonduel on April 14, 2012, 07:07:14 PM
Dear Ramana,

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"Lord Jesus again says that we should seek the Kingdom of God which is God Himself, the Self and we should not stop until we find It. Only then we will be in rest. There are many impediments in our life but whatever happens we must continue our quest whatever it takes."

The searching is made by the mind. You can never find what you are, you can only BE it.

You are conscious of existing, of being aren't you?. Do you have to search to find your consciousness? How do you find your consciousness?

You can search for something, but you can only find an object, not the searcher.

Forget about the impediments, they are only pictures appearing on the screen, in consciousness. 
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 14, 2012, 07:13:21 PM
Yes, sir. Self-inquiry also advocates us to search the the ego which is non-existent (the ego). These are just different ways to describe dualistically daily sadhana which we must do. Find the Source of the ego (prescribed by Ramana) is the same as Lord Jesus' words "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find". What would we find? That there is nothing to be found. That's why Lord Jesus says "When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all."

Best wishes, ramana1359
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 14, 2012, 07:16:48 PM
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     Lord's prayer or Pater noster (Our Father)

    "Our Father in heaven,
    hallowed be Your name.
    Your Kingdom come,
    Your Will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread,
    and forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
    And lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil."
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 17, 2012, 10:39:39 PM
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How terrible it will be for anyone who causes others to sin. Temptation to do wrong is inevitable, but how terrible it will be for the person who does the tempting.
Matthew 18:7


What will happen to happen. Temptation and everything will come when it is their time. The reason for bearing the consequences (fruits) is our identification with the doer. "How terrible it will be for the person" says the Lord. The person is the key word here. When there is no person, how can be temptation or whatever? Why Lord Jesus wasn't tempted? The answer is clear for you. It is absolutely in alignment with what Eastern religions teach.

Glory to the Lord and all jnanis and bhaktas from all religions in the world!
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Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on April 18, 2012, 08:00:08 AM
Friends, Personally, among all the best and closest advise in Bible is "Kingdom of God is within you". Is it not the same advice that Sri Bhagawan also wanted us to understand? Amazing to see how so distant and diverse Jnanis realized the SAME TRUTH, which itself is a proof for so called "Atheists" that TRUTH IS ONE AND SAME irrespective of caste, creed, geography, religion etc.

I vividly remember now the story of an atheist meeting Sri Bhagawan and telling him that he does not believe in all these things. To his surprise Sri Bhagawan agreed with him that He is also like that and He agrees with Atheist. Sri Bhagawan asked : "Forget all, But do you believe you exist?". Atheist replied yes of course. And then Bhagawan told him that he is no longer an Atheist, but a theist like Bhagawan :). What a nice one... Sorry I could not reproduce the story as is from memory
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 19, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
Absolutely! The problem is that almost everyone is not looking for the truth but to justify his/her theology and belief. Are most religious followers looking for God? On my observation - no. They are just using God and His Word to justify their egoistic tendencies. We are witness how Bible was used for killing of many women declared to be witches, black africans to be inferior race, starting "holy" wars. Even the structure of the church with its bishops, popes and so on is just human creation and is result from externalisation of the Bible. There is nothing wrong with church, the problem is within its followers.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on April 19, 2012, 11:13:57 AM
Absolutely! The problem is that almost everyone is not looking for the truth but to justify his/her theology and belief.

Dear i,

no need to worry about everyone :) , Bhagavan always has said, attend to your self, the purpose for which each one has come. We are not here to correct anybody, or, uplift anybody, we are here just, absolutely for ourselves. We are not saviors of Christ teachings, or saviors of Vedas or any other scriptures. If we are blessed with the true purport of the scriptures, bible, vedas, then it is our good fortune, only for us to strengthen our sadhana further.

What matters is not where everyone is looking for truth, not whether most followers are looking for God, but, what matters is our own selves. Because, if we look outside, we are not looking within.

Outside, hundreds of things may go on, the true wisdom is only to look within, no matter what goes on externally.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on April 19, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
Absolutely "I sir". Cannot agree more with you. And every religion / scripture is there to explain Triputi only. A religion has to fundamentally explain 3 things - (1) Jiva (2) Jagath (3) Eshwara. And the reality as Bhagawan says is encompassing all these three. So without getting lost in Maya's great Triputi game - let us progress. And I am yet to come across a religion which is not based on explaining this Triputi and that is power of Maha Maya :)
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on April 19, 2012, 06:10:08 PM
Dear sanjaya_ganesh,

Sri Bhagavan clearly says in Verse 9 of Ulladu Narpadu, that the dyads and triads are are dependent only on the ego. If one
examines what is that ego, which is the basis of dyads and triputis, then they will disappear. One who realizes the Truth.
They will be never deluded by the same.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 19, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
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What matters is not where everyone is looking for truth, not whether most followers are looking for God, but, what matters is our own selves. Because, if we look outside, we are not looking within.

Dear, Nagaraj,

Truth, The Self, Brahman, Love, God and so on are synonymous. That's what I mean by Truth - to be your Self, to find the Kingdom of Heaven.

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no need to worry about everyone :) , Bhagavan always has said, attend to your self, the purpose for which each one has come. We are not here to correct anybody, or, uplift anybody, we are here just, absolutely for ourselves.

I just tried to explain to sanjaya_ganesh that the religion is not something rigid. It is not a dogma or whatever. It is an interpetation of a Holy Book by a group of people. That every religion has "externalized version" and mysticism. Mysticism is the inner path to God (the Self).
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Post by: Nagaraj on April 19, 2012, 11:00:39 PM
religion is not something rigid. It is not a dogma or whatever. It is an interpetation of a Holy Book by a group of people. That every religion has "externalized version" and mysticism. Mysticism is the inner path to God (the Self).

true.. :)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 21, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
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Psalm 123

A song of ascents.

1 I lift up my eyes to You,
   to You Who sit enthroned in heaven.

2 As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master,
   as the eyes of a female slave look to the hand of her mistress,
so our eyes look to the LORD our God,
   till He shows us His mercy.

3 Have mercy on us, LORD, have mercy on us,
   for we have endured no end of contempt.

4 We have endured no end
   of ridicule from the arrogant,
   of contempt from the proud.
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Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on April 23, 2012, 12:14:07 PM
D.: Should we read Gita once in a while?
M.: Always.

D.: May we read the Bible?
M.: The Bible and the Gita are the same.

D.: The Bible teaches that Man is born in sin.
M.: The Man is sin. There was no man-sense in deep sleep. The bodythought brings out the idea of sin. The birth of thought is itself sin. To another question the Master said: Everyone sees only the Self. The divine forms are only like bubbles in the ocean of Reality, or like pictures moving on a screen.

D.: The Bible says that the human soul may be lost.
M.: The ‘I-thought’ is the ego and that is lost. The real ‘I’ is “I am That I Am.”


(talks 164)


Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on April 23, 2012, 01:23:46 PM
This reminds me again and again that whatever be the religion or "-isms", every great guru found the "SAME THING". But when they tried to put it in words - it all got understood differently by the receiving party :). Even when Upanishads can be mis-interpreted / mis-quoted, what else to say :) ? Christ also said everything that Sri Bhagawan says in one sentence - The Kingdom of God is within you. Alas ! How it got interpreted :)
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Post by: Hari on April 23, 2012, 03:21:30 PM
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Bk. 1. Ch. 6. #6. The soul is wearied and fatigued by its desires… the (desires) disturb it, allowing it not to rest in any place or in any thing soever.… the desires and indulgence in them all cause it greater emptiness and hunger.

Bk. 1. Ch. 8. The soul that is clouded by the desires is darkened in the understanding and allows neither the sun of natural reason nor that of the supernatural Wisdom of God to shine upon it and illumine it clearly. #2. At the same time, when the soul is darkened in the understanding, it is benumbed also in the will, and the memory becomes dull and disordered in its dire operation. The intellect cannot get the illumination of God’s wisdom, the will cannot get the love of God, and the memory cannot get God’s image. #4. Darkness and coarseness will always be with a soul until its appetites are extinguished. The appetites are like a cataract on the eye or specks of dust in it; until removed they obstruct vision. #6. The affections and appetites deprive them of a treasure of divine light. #7. Any appetite, even one that is but slightly imperfect, stains and defiles the soul.


Saint John of the Cross

Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on April 23, 2012, 04:04:40 PM
Dear i,

What is the core message of Jesus, what did Jesus asked everyone to do. Like our Bhagavan primarily asked us to practice Self Enquiry.

All that i know is christians pray, but what is their prayer, what is the primary sadhana?

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 23, 2012, 05:10:19 PM
It depends on what christian denomination we are talking about. There are approximately 38 000 christian denominations. That's a big number. So apparently I cannot tell you what christians practice particularly. But generally christians read the Bible, pray, talk to God, meet people from their church, comment things about society, the problems of society, how biblically to solve them. Christians go to the church every Sunday and listen a Mass. They gather together to pray for someone in need - for ill people, for people with life crisis and so on.

Yes, there are some mystic groups who practice meditation and other so called East practices. If you are interested I can give you some names and links.

Best wishes, ramana1359
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Nagaraj on April 23, 2012, 05:30:56 PM
i was just curious to know the genuine christian practices. i understand that it is depends on the background of each christian or groups as well. no matter where one is, which ever religion, one who is is true quest for truth, definitely goes nearer and nearer towards it :)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on April 25, 2012, 08:52:13 PM
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Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.
Matthew 24:35

Sanatana Dharma always is. It doesn't depend on religion, social groups or in which world or demension you live.
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Post by: Hari on May 01, 2012, 04:38:05 PM

The Parable of the Lost Son

11 Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”
(http://www.rembrandtpainting.net/prodigal_son/murillo.jpg)


This parable Lord Jesus uses to say in another way that the Kingdom we are looking for has always been among us. But our ignorance doesn't allow us to see It. That's why suffering very often becomes the cause for people to start searching God. The father in this parable is the Lord (the Father), his property is the Kingdom, the prodigal son is the ignorant soul.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 24, 2012, 02:42:02 PM
What God is according to the Bible?

God is Love - "...whoever lives in Love lives in God and God lives in him." (1 John 4:16)

God is a Spirit - "God is Spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

God is Light - "This is the message we have heard from Him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all." (1 John 1:5)

God is a Person and has Name - "In The Name Of The Father, Son And Holy Spirit." (Matthew 28:19)

God cannot be seen - "No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us." (1 John 4:12) This is very similar to what Lord Ramana says - God cannot be seen because He is the Seer.

God is One - "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One." (Deuteronomy 6:4)

God and His Kingdom dwell within everything - "The Kingdom of God is within you." ( Luke 17:21)

God is the most High - "You are gods, and all of you are children of the most High." (Psalm 82:6)

God is the Giver of the fruits of our actions - "For the Lord your God is the One Who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies to give you victory." (Deuteronomy 20:4)

God is Silence and Stillness - "Be still, and know that I am God" (Psalm 46:10); "Behold the silence: allow the Lord to speak one word in us, that He is." Carthusian Monk

God is Being - "I am that I am" (Exodus 3:14) "“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty.”" (Revelations 1:8 )

There are a lot of other things which the Bible tells us about the Lord but these are may be the most important.
Title: Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 04, 2012, 08:32:18 PM
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"When you make the two one, and when you make the inner as the outer and the outer as the inner, and the above as the below, and when you make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female not be female, then shall you enter the Kingdom."

The Gospel of Saint Thomas

When all differences disappear then what remains is the One. This is Advaita.
Title: Re: Non-Hindu quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 04, 2012, 09:13:48 PM
I decided to change the name of the topic because I want to include quotes of other philosophies and religions without starting new topics.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 04, 2012, 09:25:40 PM
When my Beloved appears,
with what eye do I see Him?
With His eye, not with mine,
for none sees Him except Himself.

Ibn Arabi
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 05, 2012, 10:47:19 AM
Mind is like the wood or stone from which a person carves an image. If he carves a dragon or a tiger, and seeing it fears it, he is like a stupid person creating a picture of hell and then afraid to face it. If he does not fear it, then his unnecessary thoughts will vanish. Part of the mind produces sight, sound, taste, odor and sensibility, and from them raises greed, anger and ignorance with all their accompanying likes and dislikes.

-  Bodhidharma -


Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on July 05, 2012, 01:47:26 PM
Dear Ramana 1359,

Nice. This is what precisely Sri Bhagavan said: What is Real is only Atma. Even Isvara  jivas and the world are only superimposition
on this  like the silver in oyster shell.  (Who am I?)

All sensory experiences (indriya vedhyam) are unreal. All that happens in Mind (which includes intellect, ego and chittam)
are in mano-mandolam. (in the realm of mind).

God or the Self or Atma is experiential. It does not need senses and mind.

Such a God or the Self or Atma does not get experienced in Wakeful state. Nor in dream and deep sleep states. It is
experienced in what is called jagrat-sushupti, wakeful sleep.  One is awake but one does not see anything by senses
or mind as in sleep. This is jagrat sushupti.  This is Reality. This is Buddha Nature. This is Arunachala Ramana.

If you happen to see Buddha on the road, kill him, says a Zen statement. What does it mean? Buddha cannot be seen.
Buddha nature has to be experienced within.

Arunachala Siva.       
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 05, 2012, 06:31:32 PM
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All sensory experiences (indriya vedhyam) are unreal. All that happens in Mind (which includes intellect, ego and chittam)
are in mano-mandolam. (in the realm of mind).

Sri Subramanian. Yes. What you say is absolutely true. But I want we to say what "unreal" is according to Sri Bhagavan and all Jnanis. If we see a gold statue of a man which is the same size, structure and so on as him we must realize that it is just a massive piece of gold, it is not a man standing there. But the form of the man is there but it is not man. The same way the jivas, the world and Ishvara are just manifestations of this essence which we call the Self or pure consciousness. So they are real but not at the way we think of them.

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God or the Self or Atma is experiential. It does not need senses and mind.

God is the Seer. This is exactly what Ibn Arabi has said in the quote I have given in a previous post of mine.
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Such a God or the Self or Atma does not get experienced in Wakeful state. Nor in dream and deep sleep states. It is
experienced in what is called jagrat-sushupti, wakeful sleep.  One is awake but one does not see anything by senses
or mind as in sleep. This is jagrat sushupti.  This is Reality. This is Buddha Nature. This is Arunachala Ramana.

In deep sleep we are not conscious of anything, we are not aware of our Self. We must realize that wakeful state, deep sleep and dreams, also imaginations, hallucinations, illusions and so on are just state of the God. But God is separate from them, He is not attached to them. It is the Great Mystery of the phenomenal world.

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If you happen to see Buddha on the road, kill him, says a Zen statement. What does it mean? Buddha cannot be seen.
Buddha nature has to be experienced within.

Very true. Zen buddhists are looking for the Self which they consider Buddha Nature.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on July 05, 2012, 07:49:50 PM
Dear Ramana,

You may kindly go through the beautiful article of Swami Siddheswaranada titled Deep Sleep and Awareness,
in Mountain Path, Jan.-Mar. 2012.  It is actually a letter written by him to Lord Terence Gray, better known as
Wei Wu Wei. Both are Sri Bhagavan's devotees. The former was the monk of the Ramakrishna Order at Gretz, France.

In the said article Swami beautifully describes why wakefulness, dream, and even deep sleep are unreal and only Jagrat-sushupti
alone is Real. We all think that in deep sleep we are with Self and there is no mind. But in deep sleep, ignorance is also hiding,
our vasanas are also hiding. Hence only jagrat-sushupti is Real.

No devotees have seen Sri Bhagavan in the state of deep sleep. Whenever at night, someone goes close to Him, they found
Him lying down but not asleep!  In the waking state, He sometimes goes into inward looking mind, with a vacant gaze. These
are all features of a Jnani, who is in jagrat sushupti. Once He was found snoring!  Major Chadwick asked Him: Bhagavan! Do\
you snore too?  Sri Bhagavan said: I was awake and the snoring came due to my congestion in nose. I myself knew that I
was snoring!

Can any one of us during that that material time, that we are snoring?  Only your wife should tell you next morning that
you were snoring!  That is the difference.

Arunachala Siva.     
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on July 05, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
Dear Ramana,

Sri Bhagavan also says the similar ideas in His Tamizh translation of Verse 33 of Devi Kalottaram. The English translation
has been made by Arthur Osborne in Collected Works - English, and was later replaced by the translation of T.K. Jayaraman,
in the new editions of Collected Works - English.

The Verse states:

Due to sleep and due to thoughts the mind always loses its sharpness. It foolishness increases, and it goes to ruin.
Awakening this mind, with effort, and without allowing it to wander, establish it in the state of Self. Persevere in this
effort by fixing the mind again and again in its natural state.

Arunachala Siva.   
 
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 05, 2012, 08:37:43 PM
Thank you, Sri Subramanian. I will.

Yes, deep sleep is like every other state different from Brahma-swarupa. It is not "more Atman" than any other state. Liberation means annihilation of vasanas. In deep sleep there is no active thoughts (mind) but vasanas are there in latent state. In this state you even cannot do Self-inquiry or whatever to try to realize Atman. But deep sleep is very important for recovery of the exhausted mind and body.
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Can any one of us during that that material time, that we are snoring?  Only your wife should tell you next morning that
you were snoring!  That is the difference.

Actually there are many thing to which I am somehow aware during sleep. I am aware that mosquito is flying near my head but I don't wake up. When I wake up I "remember" that I was aware about mosquito during sleep. So somehow I was aware of the so called world and somehow I was in deep sleep. Something between wakeful and deep sleep. But I am sure I am not the only one who has experienced this state. Many people are. Bhagavan always says that in deep sleep there is no world. Actually all that is is play of the mind. Deep sleep, wakefulness, dreams, hallucinations, intermediate states and so on are just the mind.
Do you see? Bhagavan was "asleep" but He has aware of His snoring. He was aware of the world (His body) during sleep but this doesn't make the world more real for Him.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 05, 2012, 09:38:28 PM
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Due to sleep and due to thoughts the mind always loses its sharpness. It foolishness increases, and it goes to ruin.
Awakening this mind, with effort, and without allowing it to wander, establish it in the state of Self. Persevere in this
effort by fixing the mind again and again in its natural state.

Beautiful verse!
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on July 06, 2012, 12:38:57 PM
Dear Ramana,

Yes. I agree with you.

However the word 'Awareness' is normally used only to denote the awareness of the Self within. For other things too, we use it
in day to day life.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 06, 2012, 08:44:15 PM
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We tried reasoning
our way to Him:
it did not work;
but the moment we gave up,
no obstacle remained.

- Hakim Sanai -


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Remaining firmly in Self-abidance (atma-nishtha),without giving even the least room to the rising of any thought other than the thought of Self (atma-chintanai),is surrendering oneself to God. However much burden we throw on God, He bears all of it. Since the one Supreme Ruling Power (parameswara sakti) is performing all activities, why should we, instead of yielding ourself to it,constantly think. ‘I should act in this way; I should act in that way’? When we know that the train is bearing all the burdens, why should we who travel in it, instead of placing even our small luggage in it and being happily at ease,suffer by bearing it (our luggage) on our own head?

- Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on July 07, 2012, 07:26:10 PM
Dear Ramana,

The second quote of Sri Bhagavan is from Who am I? - " Like a steam train takes all the burden, when we travel in it, why should
we carry the small baggage on your head? "

But though we understand this intellectually, we do not do it in day to day life. We think we only carry the burden. We only
think that we can solve the problems ourselves. We do not know that we do not succeed all the time!  Sometimes we may
succeed if there is God's will.  Otherwise we shall never be able to solve all of our problems.

Once Manavasi Ramasami Iyer's daughter was living in Kanpur in a third floor house. Due to water shortage, the supply
of water by the Municipality did not climb up to the third floor and only drops of water were coming in the third floor. The
daughter who was married also had been pregnant. How could she climb down and bring water. She was almost in tears.

So she started sitting before the tap, keeping a pot under, and started singing Saranagati Ramana, the famous song of
her father, Manavasi Ramaswami Iyer. Lo and behold, water started flowing and she could fill all the pots. This happened
day after day, continuously, till the water problem was totally solved in the town.

The girl's husband did not believe it. On Sunday he tried to test it. He simply placed a pot and was waiting for the water
to flow. The water did not flow!  The wife laughed and then told him: Sing, sing, Sing Saranagati Song. Then he sang,
and the water started flowing from the tap.

This happened in Kanpur just 100 years back. Believe it or not. It is recorded in one of the reminiscences of devotees.

*

There is another story - Sufi or Zen, I do not know. A man was weak and wanted God to accompany him  to a particular
place. God agreed. Both walked and reached the destination. Next day, the man said: I was seeing the footsteps of last
evening. But in some places, there was only one step and not two. Did you not accompany me all the time? God said:
I accompanied you all the time. Whenever you were too weak, I carried you on my shoulders. On such times, only my
foot step is seen and not yours.

Arunachala Siva     
   
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 08, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
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The ten thousand things flourish and then
each returns to the root from which it came.
Returning to the root is stillness.
Through stillness each fulfils its destiny.

- Lao Tzu -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on July 08, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
Dear Ramana,

Nice quote. Stillness is another name for Atma Swrupam. Sri Bhagavan says Atma mounam in Atma vidya kirtanam.

All great people have said the same thing. Only words may be different. That is all.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: akash8m on July 08, 2012, 10:15:33 PM
Dear Ramana,

The second quote of Sri Bhagavan is from Who am I? - " Like a steam train takes all the burden, when we travel in it, why should
we carry the small baggage on your head? "

But though we understand this intellectually, we do not do it in day to day life. We think we only carry the burden. We only
think that we can solve the problems ourselves. We do not know that we do not succeed all the time!  Sometimes we may
succeed if there is God's will.  Otherwise we shall never be able to solve all of our problems.

Once Manavasi Ramasami Iyer's daughter was living in Kanpur in a third floor house. Due to water shortage, the supply
of water by the Municipality did not climb up to the third floor and only drops of water were coming in the third floor. The
daughter who was married also had been pregnant. How could she climb down and bring water. She was almost in tears.

So she started sitting before the tap, keeping a pot under, and started singing Saranagati Ramana, the famous song of
her father, Manavasi Ramaswami Iyer. Lo and behold, water started flowing and she could fill all the pots. This happened
day after day, continuously, till the water problem was totally solved in the town.

The girl's husband did not believe it. On Sunday he tried to test it. He simply placed a pot and was waiting for the water
to flow. The water did not flow!  The wife laughed and then told him: Sing, sing, Sing Saranagati Song. Then he sang,
and the water started flowing from the tap.

This happened in Kanpur just 100 years back. Believe it or not. It is recorded in one of the reminiscences of devotees.

*

There is another story - Sufi or Zen, I do not know. A man was weak and wanted God to accompany him  to a particular
place. God agreed. Both walked and reached the destination. Next day, the man said: I was seeing the footsteps of last
evening. But in some places, there was only one step and not two. Did you not accompany me all the time? God said:
I accompanied you all the time. Whenever you were too weak, I carried you on my shoulders. On such times, only my
foot step is seen and not yours.

Arunachala Siva     
 

You can listen to the song "Saranagati Ramana" here in YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rBEhK2jxq4
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 08, 2012, 10:37:13 PM
Thank you, akash8m.

Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 08, 2012, 10:39:59 PM
Dear Ramana,

Nice quote. Stillness is another name for Atma Swrupam. Sri Bhagavan says Atma mounam in Atma vidya kirtanam.

All great people have said the same thing. Only words may be different. That is all.

Arunachala Siva.

Dear Sri Subramanian. Yes. Mouna is not just cessation of speech but of all mental activity and thoughts. When Mouna becomes permanent it is Atma Swarupam. 
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 08, 2012, 10:42:23 PM
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The Self is always realized. It is not necessary to seek to realize what is already and always real.

- Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 08, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
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Stillness means "being free from thoughts" and yet aware.

- Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on July 09, 2012, 02:13:48 PM
Dear Ramana 1939.

Yes. To be still free from thoughts, one can be aware of the Light within. Sri Muruganar says: pAyalaRRa manathavar thozhum....
One who prays to Him without the upsurge of thoughts, i.e. mind.  (Tiruchuzhal Padigam, Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai.)

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 09, 2012, 02:38:02 PM
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Yes. To be still free from thoughts, one can be aware of the Light within. Sri Muruganar says: pAyalaRRa manathavar thozhum....
One who prays to Him without the upsurge of thoughts, i.e. mind.  (Tiruchuzhal Padigam, Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai.)

Arunachala Siva.

Yes. I agree.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 09, 2012, 02:45:25 PM
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Bear all and do nothing.
Hear all and say nothing. 
Give all and take nothing. 
Serve all and be nothing.

- Sri Sathya Sai Baba -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 09, 2012, 02:47:31 PM
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Start the day with Love.
Spend the day with Love.
Fill the day with Love.
End the day with Love.
This is the way to God.

- Sri Sathya Sai Baba -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 13, 2012, 02:36:47 PM
A Islam story about a Muslim saving dog:

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One day, a dying dog approached a follower of Mohammed. The man had no means with which to procure water for the dog, for wells in the desert dry up quickly. He noticed a small pool of muddy water in the vicinity. He tore his shirt, soaked it in the water, placed the dog in his lap and moistened its mouth with the wet cloth. Another Arab who saw this went to the Prophet and said:

- One of your followers has touched a filthy animal, a dog, and should therefore not be allowed back here again.

Mohammed questioned:
- What was he doing to the dog?

- "I do not know, but I saw him moistening its mouth with a torn piece of cloth dipped in muddy water" replied the man.

- "He is a better Muslim than you are, because he is kind to animals", said the Prophet.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 13, 2012, 02:42:38 PM
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When Mohammed was in Mecca once, a poor shepherd from the hills came to worship in the mosque. He worshipped in his own simple way, performing the necessary ablution, kissing the stone and bowing before the sacred spot. Tears flowed from his eyes as he prayed: "O adorable Lord of love, show me Thy face. Let me be thy servant. Let me mend Thy shoes, apply oil to Thy hair, wash Thy soiled clothes and bring Thee daily the milk of my goat. Let me kiss Thy hand and shampoo Thy sacred Feet. Let me sweep Thy room."

Such simple words of the honest and straightforward shepherd offended the priests who stood near him. They said to him, "What blasphemy is this? There is no need of such gifts for the omnipotent Lord."

They were ready to drive him out of the temple, when the Prophet called them to him and asked: "When you are in distant lands, in which direction do you turn yourfaces"?

"We turn our faces to Mecca", they answered in reply.

He further asked, "When you are within this sacred walls, in which direction do you turn your faces"?

"All is holy here", they replied. "It does not matter which way we turn".

The Prophet then said, "Your answer is beautiful indeed. Within the mosque it does not matter how you pray, as long as you have love and reverence. This poor shepherd's simple prayer entered directly into the ears of Allah more clearly than yours, as it was uttered from his heart with intense love, faith, sincerity and reverence. Make room for God's poor lover near me. Let no one be ashamed to have his company. He is humble, pure and exalted soul".
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 17, 2012, 12:32:03 AM
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The final truth, as Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj and all the Sages before Them have clearly stated, is that there is neither creation nor destruction, neither birth nor death, neither destiny nor free will, neither any path nor any achievement. All there is is Consciousness.

- Ramesh Balsekar -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 18, 2012, 01:06:09 PM
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To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. . . those who are in the flesh cannot please God. [Romans 8:6-8]

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Forgetfulness of your real nature is the real death; rememberance of it is the true birth.

- Ramana Maharshi -

The real nature Lord Ramana meant is Atma, the Pure Consciousness or the Spirit St. Paul has talked about.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 24, 2012, 07:20:54 PM
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“Feel nothing, know nothing, do nothing, have nothing, give up all to God, and say utterly, 'Thy will be done.' We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go.”

- Swami Vivekananda -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on July 24, 2012, 07:23:36 PM
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“There is no God separate from you, no God higher than you, the real 'you'. All the gods are little beings to you, all the ideas of God and Father in heaven are but your own reflection. God Himself is your image. 'God created man after His own image.' That is wrong. Man creates God after his own image. That is right. Throughout the universe we are creating gods after our own image. We create the god and fall down at his feet and worship him; and when this dream comes, we love it!”

- Swami Vivekananda -, The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda: v. 3
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on August 02, 2012, 11:52:23 AM
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When I am sober,
I don’t feel lighthearted;
but when I’m drunk
my reason is defective.
There is a state
between being tipsy
and clearheaded.
I’m a slave to that state
because that is life.

Omar Khayyam, Rubaiyat
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on August 06, 2012, 06:08:27 PM
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(Q - Questioner, M - Nisargadatta Maharaj)

Q: Is the practice of silence as a sadhana effective?

M: Anything you do for the sake of enlightenment takes you nearer. Anything you do without remembering enlightenment puts you off. But why complicate? Just know that you are above and beyond all things and thoughts. What you want to be, you are it already. Just keep it in mind.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on August 06, 2012, 08:58:16 PM
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(Q - Questioner; M: Nisargadatta Maharaj)

Q: If nature is in the mind and the mind is my own, I should be able to control nature, which is not really the case. Forces beyond my control determine my behaviour.

M: Develop the witness attitude and you will find in your own experience that detachment brings control. The state of witnessing is full of power, there is nothing passive about it.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2012, 06:12:54 PM
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"In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true."

Lord Buddha

(http://static.tumblr.com/sei2xqj/eTrliit6v/buddha18.jpg)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Jewell on August 28, 2012, 07:22:50 PM
How BEAUTIFULL words and sayings,all of them. HOW WONDERFULL TRUTH IS!
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on August 29, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
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"...Willpower should be understood to be the strength of the mind, which makes it capable of meeting success or failure with equanimity. It is not synonymous with certain success. Why should one's attempts always be attended by success? Success breeds arrogance and man's spiritual progress is thus arrested.  Failure, on the other hand, is beneficial, inasmuch as it opens his eyes to his limitations and prepares him to surrender himself. Self-surrender is synonymous with eternal happiness."
 
- Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on August 29, 2012, 12:42:04 AM
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"Self-Realization is effortless. What you are trying to find is what you already are."

 - Ramesh Balsekar -  "A Net of Jewels"
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on August 29, 2012, 12:51:08 AM
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"Events happen, deeds are done. There is no individual doer of any deed."
 
- Lord Buddha -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on August 29, 2012, 11:46:30 AM
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"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

 - Lord Jesus Christ -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Jewell on October 02, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find anything that agrees with reason
and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.
(Siddhartha Gautama)
(The Buddha)
563-483 B.C.
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Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Jewell on October 02, 2012, 10:43:28 PM
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"Jnana teaches that the world should be given up, but not on that account to be abandoned.
To be in the world but not of it—is the true test of the sannyasin.
Swami Vivekananda
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Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on October 03, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
Dear Jewell,

Yes. To be in the world but not with the world, like the droplets of water, that rolls down on the lotus leaf.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 07, 2012, 02:25:39 PM
It can become crystal clear that all you thought was real was nothing more than all you thought; the reality quality to it was also a thought. As the river loses itself in its merging with the sea, it no longer knows separation and therefore cannot rise to the thought that it was a river. It is at home. It now is the all that is and no thought arises. So, without thought there cannot be an individual who exists apart in any way. To exist apart IS the thought, it is never the reality. Only the Self is real.

Jac O'Keeffe
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 07, 2012, 02:54:20 PM
Do not try to make yourself happy, rather question your very search for happiness. It is because you are not happy that you want to be happy. Find out why you are unhappy. Because you are not happy you seek happiness in pleasure, pleasure brings in pain and therefore you call it worldly, you then long for some other pleasure, without pain, which you call divine. In reality, pleasure is but a respite from pain.

- Nisargadatta Maharaj -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 07, 2012, 03:04:17 PM
Dear Hari,

Sri Bhagavan said: Happiness is within.

Just to distinguish the worldly happiness from that happiness it is called  Bliss. Bliss is everlasting, once the Self is realized.
It is not like worldly happiness that is followed by pains and miseries.

Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 07, 2012, 03:11:07 PM
With heart filled with Love say,
Rama Rama Ram, Rama Rama Ram,
Rama Rama Ram, Sri Rama Rama Ram.
With heart filled with Love say,
Rama Rama Ram, Rama Rama Ram,
Rama Rama Ram, Sri Rama Rama Ram.
Your sins and sorrows will be removed
by reciting Lord Rama's Name.
They only boat that will take you
across the ocean of life is Lord Rama's Name.
Eternal Peace and Bliss is felt
by chanting the Divine Name of Lord Rama.
The only support to those who have no support,
is Lord Rama's Name.
The only support to those who have no support,
is Lord Rama's Name.
Rama Rama Ram, Rama Rama Ram,
Rama Rama Ram, Sri Rama Rama Ram.

Bhajan dedicated to Lord Rama
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 07, 2012, 03:18:52 PM
Abhyasa [spiritual practice] consists in withdrawal within the Self every time you are disturbed by thought. It is not concentration or destruction of the mind but withdrawal into the Self.

- Lord Ramana Maharshi -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 07, 2012, 04:21:15 PM
(In the forest again. Ratnakar has returned to Narada.)

NARADA: So, you have come here to take your money? Take as much as you want. Why are you so sad? Tell me, what is the news? What is your news?

RATNAKAR: My news is that I have given up my family. I will not be responsible for them since they do not feel responsible for me. They are a bunch of ungrateful creatures: my son, my wife, my parents. I do not want them. I do not need them. Right here, tell me what I should do. I will listen to you.

NARADA: My only advice to you is this: repeat only one name — Rama, Rama, Rama. He will forgive you. He will give you salvation. And it is you who will immortalise Him on earth. He will take human incarnation and you will write His biography. Long, long before He is born, before He comes into this earthly existence, you will write His biography. You will tell about His immortal life, His life of dedication, His life of glory, His life of fulfillment. All this you will write down in His biography. From now on repeat His name: Rama, Rama, Rama. Just repeat it and let me hear.

RATNAKAR: Mara, Mara, Mara.

NARADA: Can't you say His name?

RATNAKAR: I can't.

NARADA: Rama, Rama. See what you have done? You cannot repeat His sacred name because you have done thousands of terrible things. Thousands of times you have acted like an animal. You are so impure, you are so mercilessly caught by the hostile forces that you have become like a real Asura. Now you cannot even repeat Rama's name. You can only say Mara, which is "Rama" said the other way around. All right, then, say Mara. Repeat Mara and in a few years' time you will be able to say Rama properly. Rama is the Heart. Even if you cannot properly pronounce His name, He won't mind. With a soulful heart if you pray every day, repeating the name Mara, Rama will come to your rescue. He will forgive you, He will liberate you. It is to you that He will give the glory of immortalising Him here on earth. You will write His biography, you will reveal Him and manifest Him. You will be the harbinger of His coming. When He comes down into the world and operates on the physical plane, you will see that the biography which you have written about Him will immortalise you. He has chosen you to immortalise Him, Ratnakar. And the day you start writing His biography, Lord Rama will enter into you and change your name. When you start writing His biography your new name will be Valmiki the Sage. Valmiki will be your real name. "When the power of love replaces the love of power, man will have a new name: God." With your love of power you wanted to destroy the world, but with your power of love you will liberate the world. You will be a messenger of truth, a messenger of fulfillment.

(Narada blesses Ratnakar and departs.)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Jewell on November 07, 2012, 04:35:02 PM
Dear Hari,

Beautiful story! Thank You!


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Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 07, 2012, 04:58:18 PM
Dear Jewell,

This is a story about Sage Valmiki who was a hunter. There is a similar story about one Krishna Bhakta. Once Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu was visiting Puri Jagannath temple. The priests invited with all formalities. As soon as he entered the temple,
he heard some distant voice Gobinda, Gobinda, Gobinda. He rushed to the backyard of the temple and sat near that illiterate
man who was chanting incorrectly Gobinda, Gobinda instead of Govinda. Krishna Chaitanya sat near him and heard his nama
sankirtan. He was in tears. He said: The real Govinda is here and not in inner sanctum. He embraced him!

Arunachala Siva.
 
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Balaji on November 07, 2012, 05:13:27 PM

"Darshan of the matured jnani constitutes the acme of purification of baths taken in sacred waters, divine worship, mantra-japa, spiritual austerities, charitable acts, and devotional worship of Lord Siva Himself. To find and gain access to the sacred presence of such a jnani is the luckiest of opportunities that one could ever obtain in this world.
— Ribhu Gita Ch. 19 v.11
— translated by Professor N.R. Krishnamoorti Aiyer in

The Essence of the Ribhu Gita, No. 33, p. 10"

from the News letters of Arunachala Ashram

Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya
 
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 07, 2012, 05:28:38 PM
Dear Balaji,

To sit in the mere presence of Jnani itself will do. All sins will be washed away. There is no need to go Ganga
or pilgrimages.

It is also mentioned in Ulladu Narpadu, Supplement, Verses, 4 and 5.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 07, 2012, 05:34:01 PM
But Guru is within says Lord Ramana. Then why should we go anywhere? This is what I cannot understand. And why should we be near Jnani? Isn't Jnani within us? What should we do? To concentrate on Jnani within Who is the Self or to the Jnani without Who appears as body or both?
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Balaji on November 07, 2012, 05:41:54 PM
Thank you very much Mr Subramanian Sir

Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Jewell on November 07, 2012, 09:18:12 PM
But Guru is within says Lord Ramana. Then why should we go anywhere? This is what I cannot understand. And why should we be near Jnani? Isn't Jnani within us? What should we do? To concentrate on Jnani within Who is the Self or to the Jnani without Who appears as body or both?

Dear Hari,

We should concentrate on our own Self,I am,presence. And in the same time we can worship Guru in body form,if we feel inclined to do so. But best worship for me is selfinqiury,or whatever effort we make toward the Truth.
We dont need to go anywhere,and maybe we even wont. It all depends on that what suits You best,and what is best for You. There is no need to do anything,then to reside in Your own Being.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on November 08, 2012, 10:37:19 AM
The Self is always attained, it is always realised, it is not something that you have to seek, reach or discover. Your vasanas, the mental habits and tendencies, and all the wrong ideas you have about yourself, are blocking and hiding the experience of the real Self. If you don't identify with the wrong ideas, your Self-nature will not be hidden from you.

- Annamalai Swami -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 08, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
Dear Hari,

Annamalai Swami's Liberation Day falls tomorrow, 09.11.2012.  He merged in Sri Bhagavan on 09.11.1995.
I want someone to write some incidents on his life.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on March 06, 2013, 10:20:00 PM
"You will receive everything you need when you stop asking for what you do not need" (Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on March 07, 2013, 11:26:56 AM
"That Which permeates all, Which nothing transcends and Which, like the universal space around us, fills everything completely from within and without, that Supreme non-dual Brahman — That thou art."

- Sankaracharya -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on March 07, 2013, 11:55:13 AM
"That in Whom reside all beings and Who resides in all beings, Who is the giver of Grace to all, the Supreme Soul of the universe, the limitless being — I am That."

- Amritbindu Upanishad -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on March 07, 2013, 11:59:29 AM
"Give up all questions except one: "Who am I?" After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are. The "I am" is certain. The "I am this" is not. Struggle to find out what you are in reality."

- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 09:37:16 AM
"You say you are happy. Are you really happy, or are you merely trying to convince yourself. Look at yourself fearlessly and you will at once realize that your happiness depends on conditions and circumstances, hence it is momentary, not real. Real happiness flows from within."
(Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 09:40:32 AM
"Happiness is your nature. It is not wrong to desire it. What is wrong is seeking it outside when it is inside."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 09:43:22 AM
"God is in all men, but all men are not in God; that is why we suffer."
(Bhagavan Ramakrishna)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 09:45:40 AM
"Nearly all mankind is more or less unhappy because nearly all do not know the true Self. Real happiness abides in Self-knowledge alone.  All else is fleeting. To know one's Self is to be blissful always."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 09:48:52 AM
"It is easy to talk on religion, but difficult to practice it."
(Bhagavan Ramakrishna)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 09:51:34 AM
"Wanting to reform the world  without discovering one's true Self is like trying to cover the world with leather to avoid the pain of walking on stones and thorns. It is much simpler to wear shoes."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: atmavichar100 on May 06, 2013, 09:53:48 AM
"You say you are happy. Are you really happy, or are you merely trying to convince yourself. Look at yourself fearlessly and you will at once realize that your happiness depends on conditions and circumstances, hence it is momentary, not real. Real happiness flows from within."
(Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)

This is a very excellent quote . A very practical pointer .
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 09:55:43 AM
"Wanting to reform the world without discovering one's true Self is like trying to cover the world with leather to avoid the pain of walking on stones and thorns. It is much simpler to wear shoes."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 09:59:00 AM
"You say you are happy. Are you really happy, or are you merely trying to convince yourself. Look at yourself fearlessly and you will at once realize that your happiness depends on conditions and circumstances, hence it is momentary, not real. Real happiness flows from within."
(Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)

This is a very excellent quote . A very practical pointer .

Yes. This is why 'self-investigation' is very important for everyone of us. :) We must look for the Self but to do that we must convince ourselves why we should leave the ego first. And this can only happen not by words but by deep investigation of the 'non-self' too, why it is the core of our suffering and how it can produce something which we consider as 'happiness' but actually it is not what the Vedas point to.
Title: Swami Śivananda quote
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 01:24:46 PM
"The harder the struggle, the more glorious the triumph. Self-realization demands very great struggle."
(Swami Śivananda)
Title: Re: Quotes in the light of Advaita
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 01:32:22 PM
"All differences in this world are of degree, and not of kind, because oneness is the secret of everything."
(Swami Vivekananda)
Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
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The galaxies are composed of stars, planets, their satellites, comets, dust and so on. Planets are composed of different materials. The materials are composed of molecules. The molecules are composed of atoms. The atoms are composed of particles. Particles according to the new theory of physics are composed of strings of energy. So actually everything is empty. How is that possible? How could the massive universe to be composed of nothing. And where this energy comes from? The Vedas give the final answer - from the undifferentiated pure consciousness caitanya. But how to know chaitanya? We cannot. To know chaitanya is to be chaitanya. No matter what we start to explore, finally we come to the Self. As Bhagavan has said "Why to wait when you can be the Self right now?"
Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
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Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 03:01:24 PM
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Life and death, creation and destruction, evolution and devolution are under Lord's control.
Title: Left/right brain
Post by: Hari on May 06, 2013, 03:33:42 PM
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Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 08, 2013, 04:35:54 PM
"We loosely talk of Self-realization, for lack of a better term.  But how can one realize or make real that which alone is real? All we need to do is to give up our habit of regarding as real that which is unreal. All religious practices are meant solely to help us do this. When we stop regarding the unreal as real, then Reality alone will remain, and we will be That."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)

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Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 08, 2013, 11:56:08 PM
"A man is truly free, even here in this embodied state, if he knows that God is the true agent and he by himself is powerless to do anything."
(Bhagavan Ramakrishna)
Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 09, 2013, 09:58:42 PM
"You and I are the same. What I have done is surely possible for all. You are the Self now and can never be anything else. Throw your worries to the wind, turn within and find Peace."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 10, 2013, 07:59:24 PM
"It is false to speak of realisation. What is there to realise? The real is as it is always. We are not creating anything new or achieving something which we did not have before. The illustration given in books is this. We dig a well and create a huge pit. The space in the pit or well has not been created by us. We have just removed the earth which was filling the space there. The space was there then and is also there now. Similarly we have simply to throw out all the age-long samskaras [innate tendencies] which are inside us. When all of them have been given up, the Self will shine alone."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 11, 2013, 10:31:01 AM
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Title: Re: My view of Vedanta (with quotes, pictures and so on)
Post by: Hari on May 12, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
"When the divine vision is attained, all appear equal; and there remains no distinction of good and bad, or of high and low."
(Bhagavan Ramakrishna)
Title: We are the Reality!
Post by: Hari on May 13, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
"There is no greater mystery than this, that we keep seeking Reality though in fact we are Reality. We think that there is something hiding Reality and that this must be destroyed before Reality is gained. How ridiculous! A day will dawn when you will laugh at all your past efforts. That which will be the day you laugh is also here and now."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: There is no help for you outside of yourself
Post by: Hari on May 14, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
"Never say, "O Lord, I am a miserable sinner." Who will help you? You are the help of the universe. What in this universe can help you? What can prevail over you? You are the God of the universe; where can you seek for help? Never help came from anywhere but from yourself. In your ignorance, every prayer that you made and that was answered, you thought was answered by some Being, but you answered the prayer yourself unknowingly. The help came from yourself, and you fondly imagined that someone was sending help to you. There is no help for you outside of yourself; you are the creator of the universe. Like the silkworm, you have built a cocoon around yourself. Who will save you? Burst your own cocoon and come out as a beautiful butterfly, as the free soul. Then alone you will see Truth."
(Swami Vivekananda)
Title: Lord Buddha's quote
Post by: Hari on May 14, 2013, 05:14:24 PM
"The way is not in the sky. The way is in the Heart."
(Lord Buddha)

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Title: The greatest error according to Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 14, 2013, 08:46:43 PM
"The Vedanta recognizes no sin it only recognizes error. And the greatest error, says the Vedanta is to say that you are weak, that you are a sinner, a miserable creature, and that you have no power and you cannot do this and that."
(Swami Vivekananda)
Title: Ramesh Balsekar's quote
Post by: Hari on May 15, 2013, 04:16:21 PM
"The only truth is I AM - I Exist. That is the only truth. Everything else is a concept. Rebirth is a concept. Your karma is a concept."
(Ramesh Balsekar)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 15, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
Dear Hari,

Ramesh Balsekar recently passed away.  In his study, he used to keep Sri Bhagavan's photo on the wall. When someone asked
him: Why not you keep Nisargadatta's photograph, he is reported to have said:  Both are same. But I prefer Sri Ramana's
photo.  He retired as a Deputy Chairman of Central Bank of India.


Arunachala Siva.     
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 16, 2013, 09:46:47 AM
Yes, Sri Subramanian. I have noticed that and always wondered why it is so. May be the appearance of the Absolute as Sri Ramana was more dear to him.
Title: Silence
Post by: Hari on May 16, 2013, 12:39:34 PM
"Silence is the most potent form of work."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: About creation
Post by: Hari on May 16, 2013, 06:48:48 PM
The creation theory is very interesting. We accuse the advaitins' theory that there is no creation but see the matter the other way! Why should God create anything? If He did start creating because He felt something was missing for Him this means that He is not Self-sufficient. God does not need anything. Then why He created the world? Why does God would start doing when He is Self-sufficient? I like the answer of Kashmir Shaivism - to experience the Bliss of rediscovering of Himself!
Title: Re: About creation
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 16, 2013, 07:09:42 PM
The creation theory is very interesting. We accuse the advaitins' theory that there is no creation but see the matter the other way! Why should God create anything? If He did start creating because He felt something was missing for Him this means that He is not Self-sufficient. God does not need anything. Then why He created the world? Why does God would start doing when He is Self-sufficient? I like the answer of Kashmir Shaivism - to experience the Bliss of rediscovering of Himself!

The fundamental flaw here is God feeling the need to experience bliss :).

Question: How has srishti (creation) come about? Some say it is predestined. Others say it the Lord's leela or sport. What is the truth?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Various accounts are given in books. But is there creation? Only if there is creation do we have to explain how it came about. We may not know about all these theories but we certainly know that we exist. Why not know the '`I'' and then see if there is a creation?

Sanjay
Title: Re: About creation
Post by: Hari on May 16, 2013, 07:20:13 PM
The creation theory is very interesting. We accuse the advaitins' theory that there is no creation but see the matter the other way! Why should God create anything? If He did start creating because He felt something was missing for Him this means that He is not Self-sufficient. God does not need anything. Then why He created the world? Why does God would start doing when He is Self-sufficient? I like the answer of Kashmir Shaivism - to experience the Bliss of rediscovering of Himself!

The fundamental flaw here is God feeling the need to experience bliss :).

Question: How has srishti (creation) come about? Some say it is predestined. Others say it the Lord's leela or sport. What is the truth?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Various accounts are given in books. But is there creation? Only if there is creation do we have to explain how it came about. We may not know about all these theories but we certainly know that we exist. Why not know the '`I'' and then see if there is a creation?

Sanjay

This is the Lord's Leela to play the game of this rediscovering of the Self. And in fact really there is no fault because everything is God's Leela and God is faultless. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 16, 2013, 07:49:28 PM
Dear Hari, Sanjay,

Why should God create the world and the universe.  When He is the Self - one without a second, how can a second one come?
It is not in advaita. However Sakta says, at the time of dissolution, (that means there must be creation), when the whole universe
is dissolved,  when Brahma, Vishnu and Indra died,  You (Soundarya Lahari) are playing with Siva!  Otherwise, Vaishnvam, Saivam, etc., accept the theory of creation.

If creation is really there,  then why should there be different accounts about creation?  Darwin theory says beings evolved
from ameoba to man.  Christian theory says God created world in six days and took rest on Sabbath.  Thus there are various
theories.  It is like a story. One mother wanted to feed her child.  The child wanted a story to be told.  The mother said, that
there was a barren woman (?)  who got three children.(??)  They all grew up and went with a vehicle of air, (?)  and traveled to various
places and in one place they found Akasa Pushapam (?) and wore it.  Then they went to a desert where there was cool water (?)
and they took bath.  The child says hm...hm... and then finished the food.  The purpose is served. Similarly the stories are only
to make one wonder about the Creator or God and then pray to God, do self inquiry and merge with God.

The stories are all imaginations.  The goal is to understand the Creator, and merge with him.               

Sri Bhagavan says that the world and universe come from our 'I'-thought.  There is not only no  world, no heaven nor hell.
All are imaginations.

Nevertheless, the conventional Hinduism and other religions accept the creation theory.

In Ajata Vada, (Gaudapada, Sankara and Sri Bhagavan) there is no creation, sustenance and dissolution.  There is only a Causeless Cause and that must be searched within  and one should merge with that Causeless Cause.

Arunachala Siva.       
Title: Seek the Kingdom of God
Post by: Hari on May 17, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
""Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and everything shall be added unto you." This is the one great duty, this is renunciation. Live for an ideal, and leave no place in the mind for anything else. Let us put forth all our energies to acquire that which never fails -our spiritual perfection. If we have true yearning for realization, we must struggle, and through struggle growth will come. We shall make mistakes, but they may be angels unawares."
(Swami Vivekananda)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 17, 2013, 06:14:31 PM
Dear Hari,

The Kingdom of God is within you. Where to search for it?  In heavens, in himalayas. No. No.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 17, 2013, 07:37:34 PM
Dear Hari,

The Kingdom of God is within you. Where to search for it?  In heavens, in himalayas. No. No.

Arunachala Siva.

Where is within and where is without? It is in the mind! It doesn't matter where you seek the Kingdom. The important thing is to lose yourself in the process!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 17, 2013, 07:40:56 PM
Dear Hari,

Sri Bhagavan said :  You see within.  Then the Self, which is all pervading, eternal, ever present will be experienced in
all the places. See the Arunachala Pancharatnam. 

Arunachala Siiva.   
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 17, 2013, 07:53:55 PM
Dear Hari,

Sri Bhagavan said :  You see within.  Then the Self, which is all pervading, eternal, ever present will be experienced in
all the places. See the Arunachala Pancharatnam. 

Arunachala Siiva.   

What He meant by within?

Quote

"It moves; It does not move;
It is far; It is near too;
It is within everything. It is outside everything!"

(Isha Upanishad)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 17, 2013, 07:54:51 PM
Dear Hari,

Sri Bhagavan said :  You see within.  Then the Self, which is all pervading, eternal, ever present will be experienced in
all the places. See the Arunachala Pancharatnam. 

Arunachala Siiva.   

Yes. Bhagavad Gita Chapter 13 Shloka 31 roughly translates to the same. Find the pure self in one place and you will see it expanding and all pervading soon after.

Yadaa bhootaprithagbhaavam ekastham anupashyati;
Tata eva cha vistaaram brahma sampadyate tadaa.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 17, 2013, 07:59:42 PM
Dear Hari,

'Within' means in the Heart, after the mind becomes quiescent.  Then the Self is experienced in all places, all over the universe.
There is nothing but Self, the one without a second.  See Verse 5 of Arunachala Pancharatnam.   

For initial sadhaks, Sri Bhagavan said: go back from where you came.  The mind came from the Heart, and the mind
should go back, pure and blemishless, into the Heart and abide there permanently.  Then it is Realization.  After Realization,
there is no place where Self is not there.

Arunachala Siva.
   
Title: Dogmas
Post by: Hari on May 18, 2013, 07:26:43 PM
We all know about religious norms and dogmas. All religions have their own rules. The old Testaments taught "Eye for an eye". Lord Jesus changed that. In muslim world they can marry for many women. In Hinduism they cannot. For Hinduism monasticism is very special and virtuous. For muslims it is illogical and stupid, even again God's Will. What makes some action or ritual good or bad, purifying or destroying? For example why prostitute cannot be religious but the scientist can? They both do their job. Why one choice is better than other? There must be some explanation for the mind. Why should we be a slave to some dogmas or principles which are not dear to our heart? To do that there must be some explanation. Because the mind cannot choose dearly something which has no logical explanation.

And the most important question - why some behaviours are inconsistent with Advaita when it teaches that this world is just a dream? Should we dream some specific dream to wake up?
Title: Universe, body and the Heart
Post by: Hari on May 19, 2013, 01:54:35 PM
"The entire Universe is condensed in the body, and the entire body in the Heart."
(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: Death of the body and mind
Post by: Hari on May 20, 2013, 09:20:36 PM
The death of the mind is the death of the body. But the death of the body is not the death of the mind. And how could it be? The same idea that the body exists and stop existing at death is from the mind!
Title: Lord Buddha's quote
Post by: Hari on May 21, 2013, 08:24:10 PM
"The trouble is, you think you have time."
(Lord Buddha)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 25, 2013, 11:00:50 AM
"You will receive everything you need when you stop asking for what you do not need"
(Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 26, 2013, 06:57:17 PM
"Once you realize that the road is the goal and that you are always on the road, not to reach a goal, but to enjoy its beauty and its wisdom, life ceases to be a task and becomes natural and simple, in itself an ecstasy."
(Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 26, 2013, 07:04:56 PM
"To deny Jnana altogether, to say that there is nothing beyond Goloka as some sectarian Bhaktas do, is the height of one's folly. To deny Bhakti and Isvara as some dry Vedantins do is also foolishness. A happy combination of head and heart is perfection."
(Swami Śivananda)
Title: Question about the nature of the Self
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 03:40:21 PM
We say that the Self has only one state - Sat-chit-ananda. If is that so then how the mind emerges? Isn't the mind different state of the Self? If it is so then how the Self is permanent?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 27, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
Dear Hari,

Yes. Self is the only State.  But Maya, Sakti,  which is also part of Self, Siva, has given us 'I'-thought. This is Maya's sport.
This 'I'-thought is the first one which emerges from the Self.  This is the mind / ego.  If this 'I' -thought is conquered, then there is no thought about he, she, this, that, it etc.,  The mind /ego (the 'I'-thought) if it conquers all thoughts and becomes pure, then it is Pure Mind. This Pure Mind is nothing but the Self.  Then the mind becomes quiescent, coming back, it merges in the Self.  Then, there is no thought, and only there is Self.

Arunachala Siva.                 
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 27, 2013, 04:11:57 PM
Dear Hari,

Self has no state, it is beyond any state. All states pertain only to the mind alone. We can say, the Self is merely just a witness to all states. Sat-chit-ananda is not a state, it simply is represents the Self, or we can say it is just yet another name of Self.

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 04:27:55 PM
But all things you say - merge, witness and so on imply that there is something other to be merged in, to be witnessed of. All this means that there is something other or something changing. If the Self is witness of the three states (no matter if this states are from the Self or of the Self or are apart) this means changing, impermanence. So where is the permanence? Even the fact of illusory existence means change!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 27, 2013, 04:37:12 PM
Dear Hari,

your reasoning is quite valid, but if we carefully reason out silently and really look into it further, as this verse from Dakshinamurthy Stotram, it may bring out clarity that you are looking:

विश्वं दर्पणदृश्यमाननगरीतुल्यं निजान्तर्गतं
पश्यन्नात्मनि मायया बहिरिवोद्भूतं यथा निद्रया ।
यः साक्षात्कुरुते प्रबोधसमये स्वात्मानमेवाद्वयं
तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥१॥


Vishvam Darpanna-Drshyamaana-Nagarii-Tulyam Nija-Antargatam
Pashyann-Aatmani Maayayaa Bahir-Ivo[a-U]dbhuutam Yathaa Nidrayaa |
Yah Saakssaat-Kurute Prabodha-Samaye Sva-[A]atmaanam-Eva-Advayam
Tasmai Shrii-Guru-Muurtaye Nama Idam Shrii-Dakssinnaamuurtaye ||1||

Meaning:

(Salutations to Sri Dakshinamurthy Who Awakens the Glory of the Atman within us through His Profound Silence)

1.1: The Entire World is Like a City Seen within a Mirror, the Seeing happening within One's Own Being,
1.2: It is a Witnessing happening within the Atman, (the Witnessing) of the Externally Projected World; Projected by the Power of Maya; As if a Dream in Sleep,
1.3: One Experiences this Directly (this Play of Maya) during Spiritual Awakening within the Non-Dual Expanse of One's Own Atman,
1.4: Salutations to Him, the Personification of Our Inner Guru Who Awakens This Knowledge through His Profound Silence; Salutation to Sri Dakshinamurthy.

(greenmesg.org/)



It should also be noted and become aware off that the words used such as merging, witnessing, etc... are only used to put across the idea for mere communication purposes, and they are used clearly in a relative sphere alone. We have also known repeatedly how words fail to reach the Self, as the Self is beyond any words and no words can really be successful in attributing the Self.

Also, these words and communication that go here are only to kindle the insight and intuition further so that we just awaken to the wonderous all powerful Self that we truly are.

It has to be remembered that the eye cannot see itself, moreover, what we see, is not there during deep sleep. These points are useful for our contemplation.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 04:50:50 PM
Yes, I understand. But see this. Let say that now you realize your own nature. But does that mean that you should exclude your previous experience of individuality? The mere fact that you as the Self have been drawn to ignorance is very disturbing. This means that there was something which has clouded you. Let say it Maya. But where has this Maya come from? I can understand the gold and golden objects and wave and the ocean analogy but all these examples imply some change. Yes, the waves and the ocean have one nature - water but this also means change of the quiet ocean surface to waves. So where is the permanence? And what is the permanence? Ocean is always ocean - with or without waves, meaning it is a permanent in a sense that it exists always. But at the same way it is impermanent because it changes all the time. So does realizing the you are the ocean means that we must reject the existence of the waves?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 27, 2013, 04:57:57 PM
Dear Hari,

Maya is the inseparable consort Self, Siva.  She is the shadow of Self, Siva.  You are only one.  But your shadow, though,
not you, is also there with you always.  So is the case of Maya which is concorporate with Siva.  How does it come?
No one can say.  It comes as I-thought, mind and ego.  At the end when you conquers all these, it is she who guides you
to Self. That is why Maya is also called Grace.  Grace is feminine.  You can see Christians naming their girl babies as Grace.


Self --> Maya --->   I thought ---->   Other thoughts ----> conquest of I thought ----> Grace ----> Sivam,

Arunachala Siva.       
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 27, 2013, 05:05:51 PM
Look at this story:

Two persons Ram and Rahim, who were travelling, decide to take a break on the way under a tree. Rahim said to Ram, first let me sleep for some time while you remain awake to take care of our belongings and then, I will remain awake while you sleep so that I can have an eye on our luggage.

Rahim goes into sleep immediately. He has a dream where, he sees a thief break into his house and break open his locker and steals all his jewelry and huge cash, and seeing this, Rahim is shocked and begins to shout "Thief, Thief"  The thief, having bundled all the jewelry and cash in bag and flees and also hits Rahim a nice two blows.

Ram who was awake all through, sees Rahim shout "Thief, Thief, somebody please help" from sleep.

Now, Ram who is awake, would he run somewhere to catch the thief as mentioned by Rahim or would he wake him up from sleep? Would he not wake him from sleep? and upon waking, Rahim realises that it was all only a dream. There was no thief, no jewelry, no money.

In the same way. When he was waken up at that very moment, the dream ended. That "awakening" is what is called "GRACE" To get this Grace, Krupai, we need a Guru, an Acharya. It becomes a necessity. This awakening cannot happen from an ordinary center, but only from a one who has that "Anubhuti" just like how one Light can only light another light.


The previous experience that you talk about is as good as just a dream. there is nothing to exclude in the end. And Bhagavan and scriptures keep saying that we are complete, already and that there is no ignorance really.

Even the existence of ignorance that we talk about also is only known because of the Supreme Self, just as we know that the clouds are hiding the Sun, but sun's own light.

At all times, there is no time the Self is not known or have we remained unrealized at any time.

All that changes is unreal and that which is the substratum of all changes is alone real. Just as the different stages of life, child, youth, middle age, old age, the Self has remained the Same, unchanged, what has changed is not the Self.

The main issue here is yet again the strong identification with our bodies. We look keeping the body as the centre, but if we look keeping the Self as the centre, then the whole perception and idea changes, or breaks down.

If you reason out keeping the body as the centre, then there is no permanence. When you say permanence, what really do you mean? does it mean preservation of the body for ever? what is permanence?

realizing the ocean means the ocean and the waves are not different, only names or words are creating dualities here.

Hari, i personally believe strongly and rather convincingly that our questions are more important. I see that there are many layers and multiple questions generally when you post. Based on my own experience, if you sort out your questions then the journey becomes clearer. Rather, if you are clear about what is it that you really want, then you will be much closer.

It helps, what do you (we) really want? Do you want Self realisation? what do you want to know.

:)

Finally, do not try to realise Advaita Truth, realise your own truth, your own truth may be dvaita or visishtadvaita or something else. The bottomline is you have to realise your truth. all these spiritual jargons come later, as Bhagavan says first realise your Atma.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 27, 2013, 05:11:04 PM
Dear Hari,

I think that realising that we are Ocean can never apply not accepting the waves. Coz realising Oneness means realising that there is nothing appart from it. Impermanence,and changefulness all constitute Maya only,and Maya came from the Self only. Well,Sages said that this apparent arising is illusion itself. I think that the power of Maya is so strong only because is coming from the Self. Better to say,the Self covered itself,and created this separated existence. There is nothing appart from the Self. For us it is paradox,but with realising the Truth all that becomes clear i guess. Then,only permanent thing is the Supreme,which gives life to all impermanent things. That motion is by itself illusion. And i will agree completelly with Sri Nagaraj. Main issue is our identification with body mind,and all questions "we" have is coming from this personality only,and it is in the realm of mind only. Like J.Krishnamurti said:"The mind is only the past,which is itself dead."

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 27, 2013, 05:18:58 PM
Dear Hari, Jewel,

Let me reproduce the right way of seeing the ocean analogy. This was said by Chandrashekhara Bharati Swamiji of Sringeri to Abhinava Vidyatheertha Swamiji just before he was taking up Sanyasa Asrama.

“While getting up to walk one should think ‘a wave has risen up in the great ocean of Atma. That wave is moving forward. There is no difference between the wave and the ocean.’ While walking one should think ‘I am a wave in the ocean of Atma – I am a wave in the ocean of bliss.’ One should always, even while talking to someone, bring up this thought repeatedly. While sitting one should think ‘I am a bead strung on the thread of Chaitanya (Conscious). A bead has been strung in the thread of wisdom and none can remove this bead. The thread has been made of Chaitanya that cannot be cut. I am verily that bead.’ While lying down one should think ‘I am now immersed in the ocean of bliss.’”

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 05:29:12 PM
Dear Sri Subramanian, Nagaraj and Jewell,
from what I have read I can conclude that what is unreal is actually what is impermanent. But temporary or not it is there. Then how to say it is unreal or non-existent? It may come from my consciousness, God or whatever you believe but the fact now is that it is there. Why should I reject it? Why should I reject you?

The Truth is that Advaita or Dvaita just show our desires. The followers of both have some expectations. Advaitins expect to 'stop' their individual existence? But why? Because they believe that they are not individuals or just because the idea is very pleasant to their minds? Advaitins say that people must find their Self and stop this relative existence because individuality is pain. But did Sri Chaitanya agree? Was he unhappy as 'individual' and follower of God? Does Sri Ramakrishna unhappy as individual? If it was so then why did he prayed to be reincarnated at least only once even after he has realized the Truth by all possible means? All these things make me ask questions to myself and you. I don't open topics because I have no other work to do but only because of the restlessness of my soul at times.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 27, 2013, 05:45:37 PM
Dear Hari,

I came to some conclusion that all this Advaita Dvaita stuff we came across are nothing but nonsence. I mean all that division. Coz there is no division and there are no paths,there is only lsweet longing and love. That same division also trubled me. But then i saw that truly,i dont want to put myself in any category,i want to get out from any category any fixed thing. God is much more then that,then doctriness,all this. God is Love,and that is only thing in which i believe,and He can have so many names but for me,He will be always GOD. Supreme Goodness,Beauty and Power. When individuality is about,Advaitins or Dvaitins,all lose their ego. That for sure. We cannot keep this person alive,and realise Oneness. It is impossible.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 27, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
Dear Hari,

The world is existent (illusory existence) for an ajnani.  The world is only an appearance, temporary, and unreal for him.
That is why in deep sleep it disappears and comes again when the first thought "I" thought arises in a man.  But for
a Jnani the world is also real.  It is Brahma swarupam.  If a Jnani sees a person or a dog, he does not see them with
that particularity but as Brahma Swarupam only.  We have to move them from this unreal, temporary world, do self inquiry
and attain the Jnana Bodham and then we shall also see the world as Brahma Swarupam.

A river starts only from an ocean. But after running here and there for long distances, finally comes back only to Ocean.
Then you will see only the Ocean and not the river.  The ocean's waves are so called  particularities and even then it is only
an Ocean.

Ocean ---> rivers ---> Ocean 

This is what happens with us.  See the last verse of Sri Arunachala Ashtkam:

The waters rise up from the ocean as rain bearing clouds, and then fall as rain and run here and there and finally run back
to the ocean, in streams.  Nothing can keep them, from returning to the source. Likewise the individual sou rising up from
Thee (Se;f) cannot be kept away from joining the Thee (Self) again, although it turns many eddies on its way.  A bird which
rises from the earth and soars high into the sky can find no place for the rest in midair, but must return to earth.  So indeed
all must retrace their path, and when the soul finds the way back to its source, it will sink and be merged in Thee (Self),
O Arunachala, the Ocean of Bliss!

Arunachala Siva.                     
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 27, 2013, 05:51:11 PM
Dear Hari,

All these question will be solved when you pursue Self Enquiry. The questions that appear in the interim ought to be ignored, that is the outgoing mind ought to be pulled inward.

Unless we pursue one sadhana completely, there will be no end to doubts. As Bhagavan says, who is the doubter, that ought to be sought out.

Even when extraneous thoughts sprout up during such enquiry, do not seek to  complete the rising thought, but instead, deeply enquire within, 'To who has  this thought occurred?' No matter how many thoughts thus occur to you, if you  would with acute vigilance enquire immediately as and when each individual  thought arises to whom it has occurred, you would find it is to 'me'. If then you enquire 'Who am I?' the mind gets introverted and the rising thought also subsides. In this manner as you persevere more and more in the practice of Self-enquiry, the mind acquires increasing strength and power to abide in its Source.

(Who am I)



I have come to discern one thing, it is wise to narrow down our search to one path, (after dabbling with various thousands of paths - all valid no doubt) it is important to stick to one Guru, and trust in His words with absolute faith when you are tired of all the dabblings. All the words of all Gurus are true in their own seats. You see, we cannot travel north and south at the same time. we need to repose at one corner.

Lets take all the good things from all corners, all Gurus but submit ourselves completely to ONE GURU and His words alone, be it Chaitanya, or Ramakrishna or Ramana or Shankara or Jesus or Prophet.

I realise that it is very important to travel in one path, however we may be diverse from within, accepting all paths and faiths. We have to stick to one path.

If we want to compare the words of all Gurus in one platform, then there is going to be difference, it would not be wise on our part to compare these two in terms of what they say.

While pursuing Self Enquiry, half way, if we jump to Ramakrishna or Chaitanya or Jesus then it is only causing you harm and confusion and moreoever you are not doing justice to any sadhana or in surrendering to any Guru completely.

Hoewever it is wise to see the converging point, in all these different views, the source being one and the same, no matter wherever we go the Sun is the same, it does not change according to the paths and views.

Final Message: Stick to one path, one Guru. Ultimately it will be the same truth of all paths, just addressed in different words, and reached in different path and with different views. Realise your own truth!

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 05:53:38 PM
We cannot keep this person alive,and realise Oneness. It is impossible.

If we as individuals go away then how we can talk about Oneness? Who to be one with whom?
Quote
God is much more then that,then doctriness,all this. God is Love,and that is only thing in which i believe,and He can have how many names but for me,He will be always GOD.
But for Love exists there must exist at least two. How to love God if I accept that He is a concept of the mind or that I don't exist? How to love myself if I repeat like a mantra that I am just an ignorant, evil or selfish entity called ego which even doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 27, 2013, 05:57:38 PM

Dear Hari,

'Keeping the person alive' means keeping the individuality, the I-ness, ego. 

Advaita is not a doctrine; it is an experience.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 27, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
Dear Hari,

That is first error of us,that we think and believe "we are talking".

If you truly accepted the fact that He is the concept in your mind only,like yourself also,then there is no problems,you are already free and all is clear.

And from the last sentence it is obvious you love yourself,like we all do. If that is not the case,we wouldnt be in illusion. We wish to keep this individuality.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 27, 2013, 06:20:00 PM
Loving God is loving the Self,and loving the Self is loving God...
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 27, 2013, 07:23:57 PM
"I searched for God and found only myself.
I searched for myself and found only God".

Sufi Proverb
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
Dear Hari,

All these question will be solved when you pursue Self Enquiry. The questions that appear in the interim ought to be ignored, that is the outgoing mind ought to be pulled inward.

Unless we pursue one sadhana completely, there will be no end to doubts. As Bhagavan says, who is the doubter, that ought to be sought out.

Even when extraneous thoughts sprout up during such enquiry, do not seek to  complete the rising thought, but instead, deeply enquire within, 'To who has  this thought occurred?' No matter how many thoughts thus occur to you, if you  would with acute vigilance enquire immediately as and when each individual  thought arises to whom it has occurred, you would find it is to 'me'. If then you enquire 'Who am I?' the mind gets introverted and the rising thought also subsides. In this manner as you persevere more and more in the practice of Self-enquiry, the mind acquires increasing strength and power to abide in its Source.

(Who am I)



I have come to discern one thing, it is wise to narrow down our search to one path, (after dabbling with various thousands of paths - all valid no doubt) it is important to stick to one Guru, and trust in His words with absolute faith when you are tired of all the dabblings. All the words of all Gurus are true in their own seats. You see, we cannot travel north and south at the same time. we need to repose at one corner.

Lets take all the good things from all corners, all Gurus but submit ourselves completely to ONE GURU and His words alone, be it Chaitanya, or Ramakrishna or Ramana or Shankara or Jesus or Prophet.

I realise that it is very important to travel in one path, however we may be diverse from within, accepting all paths and faiths. We have to stick to one path.

If we want to compare the words of all Gurus in one platform, then there is going to be difference, it would not be wise on our part to compare these two in terms of what they say.

While pursuing Self Enquiry, half way, if we jump to Ramakrishna or Chaitanya or Jesus then it is only causing you harm and confusion and moreoever you are not doing justice to any sadhana or in surrendering to any Guru completely.

Hoewever it is wise to see the converging point, in all these different views, the source being one and the same, no matter wherever we go the Sun is the same, it does not change according to the paths and views.

Final Message: Stick to one path, one Guru. Ultimately it will be the same truth of all paths, just addressed in different words, and reached in different path and with different views. Realise your own truth!

--

I totally agree. But it is very difficult. Have you achieved this?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
Dear Hari,

The world is existent (illusory existence) for an ajnani.  The world is only an appearance, temporary, and unreal for him.
That is why in deep sleep it disappears and comes again when the first thought "I" thought arises in a man.  But for
a Jnani the world is also real.  It is Brahma swarupam.  If a Jnani sees a person or a dog, he does not see them with
that particularity but as Brahma Swarupam only.  We have to move them from this unreal, temporary world, do self inquiry
and attain the Jnana Bodham and then we shall also see the world as Brahma Swarupam.

A river starts only from an ocean. But after running here and there for long distances, finally comes back only to Ocean.
Then you will see only the Ocean and not the river.  The ocean's waves are so called  particularities and even then it is only
an Ocean.

Ocean ---> rivers ---> Ocean 

This is what happens with us.  See the last verse of Sri Arunachala Ashtkam:

The waters rise up from the ocean as rain bearing clouds, and then fall as rain and run here and there and finally run back
to the ocean, in streams.  Nothing can keep them, from returning to the source. Likewise the individual sou rising up from
Thee (Se;f) cannot be kept away from joining the Thee (Self) again, although it turns many eddies on its way.  A bird which
rises from the earth and soars high into the sky can find no place for the rest in midair, but must return to earth.  So indeed
all must retrace their path, and when the soul finds the way back to its source, it will sink and be merged in Thee (Self),
O Arunachala, the Ocean of Bliss!

Arunachala Siva.                   

The point is the there are rivers, movement, change. This is the problem here. Here what Advaita teaches does not match my experience.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 07:56:09 PM
"I searched for God and found only myself.
I searched for myself and found only God".

Sufi Proverb

I love this Sufi thought. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 27, 2013, 08:03:55 PM
Yes,me too. It is very beautiful. It seems simple,but it is very profound.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2013, 08:08:29 PM
I will watch again the interview with Ramesh Balsekar and will try to contemplate on what he has said. I have posted it in Bhajans, pics and so on, reply #306 for those interested.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 27, 2013, 09:12:28 PM
Dear Hari

Its nothing to achieve. Its simply adhering to what is truth. Seeing what is as what is. No matter what i read or where i go i am grounded in bhagavan ramana.

All teachings do not seem contrary to what bhagavan ramana has revealed.

Am no longer troubled by varieties and differences. I kn they are the same in the substratum. All becaue of His grace.

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 28, 2013, 04:25:39 PM
"Love is our true destiny. We do not find the meaning of life by ourselves alone - we find it with another. We do not discover the secret of our lives merely by study and calculation in our own isolated meditations. The meaning of our life is a secret that has to be revealed to us in love, by the one we love. And if this love is unreal, the secret will not be found, the meaning will never reveal itself, the message will never be decoded. At best, we will receive a scrambled and partial message, one that will deceive and confuse us. We will never be fully real until we let ourselves fall in love - either with another human person or with God."   
(Thomas Merton)

(http://www.merton.org/poetry/griffin.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 29, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
Today a question arised in me. What 'non-existence' would mean? What non-existence would be? What are the criteria for existence and non-existence? Is consciousness the only criteria for existence? If it is so then how to tell that we exist during deep sleep when we are unconscious? And what is unconsciousness? Is that just "lack of experience"? What do you think?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 29, 2013, 01:23:17 PM
Dear Hari,

Non existence is a situation where an object or world or even a person is not existent all the time, eternally.  The object,
the world, and a person has a birth, life and death.  These are not eternal.  Whereas Consciousness is eternal and everpresent,
born, and non dying.

In sleep your thoughts disappear, mind disappears, the world disappears, the time and space concept
also disappear.  Still you say that you have  slept well, next morning.  This is state of being 'unconscious', though the
Self within you is ever there, without sleeping, ever vigilant.  Similarly during fainting and other temporary states where
mind is in suspended animation, you are still there, because Consciousness is within you. 

Arunachala Siva.         
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 29, 2013, 02:08:05 PM
Dear Hari,

Non existence is a situation where an object or world or even a person is not existent all the time, eternally.  The object,
the world, and a person has a birth, life and death.  These are not eternal.  Whereas Consciousness is eternal and everpresent,
born, and non dying.

In sleep your thoughts disappear, mind disappears, the world disappears, the time and space concept
also disappear.  Still you say that you have  slept well, next morning.  This is state of being 'unconscious', though the
Self within you is ever there, without sleeping, ever vigilant.  Similarly during fainting and other temporary states where
mind is in suspended animation, you are still there, because Consciousness is within you. 

Arunachala Siva.         

But how can we say that there is consciousness when there is unconsciousness? Where is this consciousness? And what is consciousness? Just being aware of an object. If it is so then nondual consciousness could not exist.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 29, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Dear Hari,

Non existence is a situation where an object or world or even a person is not existent all the time, eternally.  The object,
the world, and a person has a birth, life and death.  These are not eternal.  Whereas Consciousness is eternal and everpresent,
born, and non dying.

In sleep your thoughts disappear, mind disappears, the world disappears, the time and space concept
also disappear.  Still you say that you have  slept well, next morning.  This is state of being 'unconscious', though the
Self within you is ever there, without sleeping, ever vigilant.  Similarly during fainting and other temporary states where
mind is in suspended animation, you are still there, because Consciousness is within you. 

Arunachala Siva.         

But how can we say that there is consciousness when there is unconsciousness? Where is this consciousness? And what is consciousness? Just being aware of an object. If it is so then nondual consciousness could not exist.

Hari

We may answer with an example. If you see Ganga in Rishikesh and upper reaches of Himalayas - you will see such purity (glass like water which tastes like nectar). You see the same Ganga after Varanasi - you will see dead bodies of all species floating, filth all around - nothing but filth. People who see Ganga in these parts will never believe even that water in ganges is actually so pure because it is covered by all filth. If we see this part of Ganga, we will ask - "Where is Ganga? This is a garbage canal".

Similarly when one by one Sat-chit-ananda gets covered by "filth" you see the huge variety between pure consciousness and pure jada / non-existence. I am not sure I understood your question fully - sorry if I have not. Just like all examples trying to convey satchidananda this is not a matching example because nothing can in fact cover it and what covers it is also IT alone :)

Swami Vivenkananda says that if you analyze even a grain of sand - you will end your analysis in Sat-chit-ananda. At least the modern science has now reached a state that everything is energy and there is no matter really - it is all energy. If you can go this far, it is not too difficult to cross over to the understanding of pure consciousness as everything.

Truth is that there is no unconsciousness / non existence because if it were there - then we are talking duality...

Sanjay.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 29, 2013, 02:23:20 PM
Dear Hari,

If you sleep or swoon, the unconsciousness is for the body and mind.  Consciousness is there even at that time. Otherwise,
how can you say after getting up, that you had slept nicely or 'Where was I all during this time?' (after coming out of swoon).

Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 29, 2013, 03:11:27 PM
The question is what consciousness is? Some example, please.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 29, 2013, 03:13:44 PM
The question is what consciousness is? Some example, please.

Dear Hari

When asked about this, Dakshinamoorthy HIMSELF answered with Silence - so do you think we the forum members can answer this :) ? Only Neti-Neti can answer this. Remove everything that you "think" is not consciousness - and see for yourself what remains.

Sanjay
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 29, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
I found a dialogue between Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and His student. He asked very important questions which make me wonder... Actually do we really know what we are trying to find out...

Questioner: It is a matter of daily experience that on waking up the world suddenly appears. Where does it come from?

Maharaj: Before anything can come into being there must be somebody to whom it comes. All appearance and disappearance presupposes a change against some changeless background.

Q: Before waking up I was unconscious.

M: In what sense? Having forgotten, or not having experienced? Don't you experience even when unconscious? Can you exist without knowing? A lapse in memory: is it a proof of non-existence? And can you validly talk about your own non-existence as an actual experience? You cannot even say that your mind did not exist. Did you not wake up on being called? And on waking up, was it not the sense 'I am' that came first? Some seed consciousness must be existing even during sleep, or swoon. On waking up the experience runs: 'I am -- the body -- in the world. It may appear to arise in succession but in fact it is all simultaneous, a single idea of having a body in a world. Can there be the sense of 'I am' without being somebody or other?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 29, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
Dear Hari,

When you said non-existence,did you ment on the teachings that to arive to the Truth we must not exist? The way i see it,they ment that this separate existence,this personality,existence the way we know it,with birth,decay and death,must go. Existence the way we know it and see it. I think that it is body consciousness that must go,coz in reality it is not limited on body-mind,but it is all pervasive. All that there is,the world and all the objects have existence only in consciousness. Coz consciousness is like a form of energy creating all this. I think thats why Maharaj made distinction betwean Consciousness and Awareness. Like betwean body,limited consciousness,where exist division,and the one who is consciousness,and Awareness,which is just that,without the one who is aware and the objects to be aware of. It is just That. At least,thats the way i understood. But all the words are so limited,and can implt many things,thats the problem.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 29, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
Here is one beautiful explanation from Sri Aurobindo:


Consciousness is a fundamental thing, the fundamental thing in existence  it is the energy, the motion, the movement of consciousness that creates the universe and all that is in it  not only the macrocosm but the microcosm is nothing but consciousness arranging itself. For instance, when consciousness in its movement or rather a certain stress of movement forgets itself in the action it becomes an apparently unconscious” energy; when it forgets itself in the form it becomes the electron, the atom, the material object. In reality it is still consciousness that works in the energy and determines the form and the evolution of form. When it wants to liberate itself, slowly, evolutionarily, out of Matter, but still in the form, it emerges as life, as animal, as man and it can go on evolving itself still farther out of its involution and become something more than mere man.
-- Sri Aurobindo, "The Life Divine", pp. 236-7.
 
Consciousness is usually identified with mind, but mental consciousness is only the human range which no more exhausts all the possible ranges of consciousness than human sight exhausts all the gradations of colour or human hearing all the gradations of sound — for there is much above or below that is to man invisible and inaudible. So there are ranges of consciousness above and below the human range, with which the normal human [consciousness] has no contact and they seem to it unconscious...."
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 29, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
I think that that kind of answers we can get only from a Yogi. I think that Jnanis are not so much interested in explaning detaily functions inside of illusion. In the way,that they never give strict answer to some questions,but only give hints and show us where to look,so can we see for ourselves. I believe there is a good reason behind that.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 29, 2013, 04:41:21 PM
Today a question arised in me. What 'non-existence' would mean? What non-existence would be? What are the criteria for existence and non-existence? Is consciousness the only criteria for existence? If it is so then how to tell that we exist during deep sleep when we are unconscious? And what is unconsciousness? Is that just "lack of experience"? What do you think?

There is no "non-existence"! Even if there is "non-existence", there must be somebody to acknowledge something as "non-existence" - That can never be "non-existent"

What is, ever is! There is no time that it never was, and never will "never-be"! as the scriptures declare!

The question is what consciousness is? Some example, please.

You are consciousness, Thou Art That, Tat Tvam Asi. Prajnyaanam Brahma. Thou Art that which cognizes everything, yet remains unstained and untouched and unaffected and has no judgement or views or opinions or even a least bit of volition towards anything. That Art Thou. So say the Vedic scriptures!

You asked for an example, to facilitate that, You are that consciousness like that Sun, and your asking what consciousness is like Sun asking what is Sun, or like a man asking who is a man and so on.

Does the Sun need to see its reflection in water body to know itself?

Thou Art That

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 29, 2013, 04:48:19 PM
Dear Jewell,

No.  The Brahma Jnani, Sri Ramana has also explained the illusion in detail.  You should pick up the relevant conversations in
Talks and see.  In fact, the illusion of Jiva, world, and ignorance which three main illusions have been explained by Sri Bhagavan
in detail in many of His conversations.

See Talks nos. 17, 28, 142, 144 and 146 for illusion.
See Talks Nos. 46, 49, 104, 106, 197, 199, 249, 263, 396, 473, 575, 636, 289, 363, 496, and 612 for ignorance. 
See Talks No. 17, 28, 142 144, and 446 for unreality of ignorance.
See Talks No. 112 and 398 for unreality of the individuality.

Arunachala Siva.

 
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 29, 2013, 04:50:28 PM
Today a question arised in me. What 'non-existence' would mean? What non-existence would be? What are the criteria for existence and non-existence? Is consciousness the only criteria for existence? If it is so then how to tell that we exist during deep sleep when we are unconscious? And what is unconsciousness? Is that just "lack of experience"? What do you think?

There is no "non-existence"! Even if there is "non-existence", there must be somebody to acknowledge something as "non-existence" - That can never be "non-existent"

What is, ever is! There is no time that it never was, and never will "never-be"! as the scriptures declare!

The question is what consciousness is? Some example, please.

You are consciousness, Thou Art That, Tat Tvam Asi. Prajnyaanam Brahma. Thou Art that which cognizes everything, yet remains unstained and untouched and unaffected and has no judgement or views or opinions or even a least bit of volition towards anything. That Art Thou. So say the Vedic scriptures!

You asked for an example, to facilitate that, You are that consciousness like that Sun, and your asking what consciousness is like Sun asking what is Sun, or like a man asking who is a man and so on.

Does the Sun need to see its reflection in water body to know itself?

Thou Art That

--

As a man I need to see my reflection to know that I am a man (my face). Although the only thing that I would know is that I exist.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 29, 2013, 04:58:17 PM
As a man I need to see my reflection to know that I am a man (my face). Although the only thing that I would know is that I exist.

Consider yourself in a dark room, would you require some instrument to know that you exist? Even as reasoned by you that you would require to see a reflection to know that I am a man, is not correct as without prior knowledge of what a man is, you would never know you are man even if you see your reflection. Therefore without the interpretation of conditioned knowledge, you can never know anything!

But the Self Existence, is different, you do not need any conditional knowledge to know that you exist. That which is Self Known without the aid of any interpretation of any knowledge is Self alone, that which is the facilitator of all knowledge to exist is itself beyond any knowledge.

That Art Thou, so say the scriptures.

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 29, 2013, 05:02:58 PM
Dear Sri Subramanian sir,

I didnt ment on that. I ment He will not explane or deal,or approach it in the same manner Yogis do,coz Jnani aims to lead You directly to the Truth,non dual Truth. And there are some questions which are only from the body-mind point of view. In the way that they are not valid. I didnt ment on this questions Hari asked,but in general. Like there are also questions which cannot be answered,for all sorts of reasons. Like when people asked something Bhagavan,and He answered with question:"Who is the one who question that,Who are You...etc". I ment on that kind of hints.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 29, 2013, 05:19:53 PM
More because behind some questions are some things which only Jnani can see. The reason for that same question,or simply,they know how to make that question non important and empty. I am not sure how to explane what i think. Conversation betwean Maharaj and questioner promped me to say that,coz it is obvious that Maharaj,with His questions,wanted to point on not validness of question,in a way it is only like that(his impression of consciousness)in the questioners eyes. Well,this is closest i can explane in english what i ment.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 29, 2013, 06:24:06 PM
What I know from my personal experience is that or I am conscious of world, dream or I am not conscious at all. Is it supposed that we have experienced sometimes the so called pure consciousness? Have any of you experienced pure consciousness even for a second?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 29, 2013, 06:29:51 PM
Dear Hari,

I have experienced Pure Consciousness as a glimpse several times.  But it does not remain permanently and eternally.
Perhaps this make time, more sadhana and more self surrender and Self Inquiry.

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 29, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
Dear Hari,

We are Pure Consciousness,the one who needs to experience this or that is false. We need to get rid of experiencer. I think that question is how we know we were unconscious...

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on May 29, 2013, 07:53:27 PM
What I know from my personal experience is that or I am conscious of world, dream or I am not conscious at all. Is it supposed that we have experienced sometimes the so called pure consciousness? Have any of you experienced pure consciousness even for a second?

Dear Hari,

There is no experience of Consciousness, you are Consciousness. The Self is experience-less. It is itself Experience. To experience there has to be another to experience. That which is subject to experience is not you. The Self is beyond experience. Can the Sun experience itself? can the tongue taste itself? Can the eyes see itself? Can Experience experience itself? That Thou Art!

There is no time no one is not experiencing the pure consciousness. By experience, i mean, knowing! The Pure Consciousness can never be subject to being covered by ignorance or sheaths. Can the Sun be covered by Clouds? More over that the clouds are covering the Sun is also only known because of the Sun's light only. Therefore, even when one says he is ignorant of Self or pure consciousness is not true. Even if one says he experiences the pure consciousness in breaks and few seconds and loses also is not really true.

The pure consciousness is always shining. Never hidden. It can never be not known. It is ever knowing, Even shining, It is!

--

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 29, 2013, 08:32:38 PM
Dear Hari,

We are Pure Consciousness,the one who needs to experience this or that is false. We need to get rid of experiencer. I think that question is how we know we were unconscious...

With love and prayers,

"We are Pure consciousness" is incompatible combination. Because "we" is "I+he/she/it" = ego, the pure consciousness is Atman. The ego is Atman + Vasanas. So what we think we are now is not what we are in my understanding. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on May 29, 2013, 08:54:15 PM
Dear Hari,

Yes,very true. All we think and say is incompatibile combination. All is word game. And like you said,what ever we say will be wrong. But that is closest thing Wise Ones could say. You are That. Where "you" is not mwnt on ego,but the Self. If we go furder we can say that even ego belongs to Self only. But all is true,and untrue,in its proper place and context.

With love and prayers;
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 30, 2013, 02:30:31 AM
"This is what you are, why have you doubt about it! Enlightenment is not about words and thoughts and concepts which can be doubted, enlightenment is always here! By "here" I don't mean this present space. Here is somewhere within where mind cannot reach. Presence is always here and you are always That."
(Papaji)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 30, 2013, 01:02:33 PM
Yesterday I read a article of Śri David Godman about the dead mind. For more clarity I will post it here.

Question: You have mentioned that final Self-realisation is when the mind actually 'dies' irreversibly in the Self. You have also mentioned how Papaji used to sometimes give an account of his life based on memory of his earlier narration. The idea of memories and a dead mind seem contradictory. Could you please clarify this?

David: Many people are puzzled by this apparent conundrum. A dead mind is one in which there is no thinker of thoughts, no perceiver of perceptions, no rememberer of memories. The thoughts, the perceptions and the memories can still be there, but there is no one who believes, 'I am remembering this incident,' and so on. These thoughts and memories can exist quite happily in the Self, but what is completely absent is the idea that there is a person who experiences or owns them. Papaji once gave a nice analogy: 'You are sitting by the side of the road and cars are speeding past you in both directions. These are like the thoughts, memories and desires in your head. They are nothing to do with you, but you insist on attaching yourself to them. You grab the bumper of a passing car and get dragged along by it until you are forced to let go. This in itself is a stupid thing to do, but you don’t even learn from your mistake. You then proceed to grab hold of the bumper of the next car that comes your way. This is how you all live your lives: attaching yourself to things that are none of your business and suffering unnecessarily as a result. Don’t attach yourself to a single thought, perception or idea and you will be happy.' In a dead mind the 'traffic' of mental activity may still be there, usually at a more subdued level, but there is no one who can grab hold of the bumper of an idea or a perception. This is the difference between a quiet mind and no mind at all. When the mind is still and quiet, the person who might attach himself or herself to the bumper of a new idea is still there, but when there is no mind at all, when the mind is dead, the idea that there is a person who might identify with an object of thought has been permanently eradicated. That is why it is called 'dead mind' or 'destroyed mind' in the Ramana literature. It is a state in which the possibility of identification with thoughts or ideas has definitively ended.

So after realization do the mind and thoughts still there or not? I cannot understand. Even Bhagavan's explanation of what happens to the mind after Self-realization are not very clear to me. Or may be I haven't read everything about it. I don't know. Please, explain. This is the toughest topic for me because every Sage, even the students of Bhagavan give different explanation, very far from one another.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 30, 2013, 01:52:59 PM

Dear Hari,

Please read my serial posts under the title  "Self Realization is the Destruction of Mind" an article written  John Grimes.

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 30, 2013, 01:55:12 PM
Sri David Godman's reply is exactly in sync with what Ashtavakra Gita talks extensively about this very same topic. This profound statement of Sri Godman answers everything in a nutshell

These thoughts and memories can exist quite happily in the Self, but what is completely absent is the idea that there is a person who experiences or owns them.

-Sanjay
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 30, 2013, 02:40:12 PM
Dear Hari, Sanjaya ganesh,

Guru Vachaka Kovai, in Verse 924 (Guru Vachaka Kovai, is a work written by Muruganar and where each verse is
perused and corrected, if necessary, by Sri Bhagavan) states as follows:

Dead Mind:

Verse 924:

I affirm that, even when the mind ceases to function as thought, being assuredly exists.  That being abides forever
as the temple of Consciousness-Bliss (even though it) apparently comes into existence at a favorable moment, prior
to which it apparently remains concealed. 

An alternate version of Verse 924:

I declare that even when the mind, in the form of thoughts, ceases to function, something remains.  That something is
the Reality.  Manifesting as time, it operates in a hidden way, abiding always as the temple of Consciousness-Bliss.

Arunachala Siva.       
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 30, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
Sri David Godman's reply is exactly in sync with what Ashtavakra Gita talks extensively about this very same topic. This profound statement of Sri Godman answers everything in a nutshell

These thoughts and memories can exist quite happily in the Self, but what is completely absent is the idea that there is a person who experiences or owns them.

-Sanjay

Yes. This is more in alignment to the most contemporary Jnanis - that after Self-realization the thoughts are there but there is nobody who claims their possession. I cannot even imagine what a mind without thoughts could be. But if there are thoughts then there is duality which is incompatible with Advaita. Very strange and mysterious.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 30, 2013, 03:59:05 PM
Dear Hari, Sanjaya ganesh,

Guru Vachaka Kovai, in Verse 924 (Guru Vachaka Kovai, is a work written by Muruganar and where each verse is
perused and corrected, if necessary, by Sri Bhagavan) states as follows:

Dead Mind:

Verse 924:

I affirm that, even when the mind ceases to function as thought, being assuredly exists.  That being abides forever
as the temple of Consciousness-Bliss (even though it) apparently comes into existence at a favorable moment, prior
to which it apparently remains concealed. 

An alternate version of Verse 924:

I declare that even when the mind, in the form of thoughts, ceases to function, something remains.  That something is
the Reality.  Manifesting as time, it operates in a hidden way, abiding always as the temple of Consciousness-Bliss.

Arunachala Siva.     

If this is so then body-mind entity stop appearing. But this is not so most Jnanis say. Bhagavan say many and different things about the mind according to the questioner I think.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 30, 2013, 04:07:47 PM
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If this is so then body-mind entity stop appearing. But this is not so most Jnanis say.

What Jnanis say is correct. It WILL NOT stop appearing. If you know that a mirage seen on desert is an illusion - does it stop appearing? No. It will still appear - but you will no longer run to drink the water and die in the hot desert because you know it is an illusion. Nothing can stop mirage (Maya) from appearing including the desert itself because Mirage showing (Maya display) is the Shakthi / property of Desert (Brahman). You cannot separate smoke and heat from fire.

Sanjay
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 30, 2013, 04:13:45 PM
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If this is so then body-mind entity stop appearing. But this is not so most Jnanis say.

What Jnanis say is correct. It WILL NOT stop appearing. If you know that a mirage seen on desert is an illusion - does it stop appearing? No. It will still appear - but you will no longer run to drink the water and die in the hot desert because you know it is an illusion. Nothing can stop mirage (Maya) from appearing including the desert itself because Mirage showing (Maya display) is the Shakthi / property of Desert (Brahman). You cannot separate smoke and heat from fire.

Sanjay
This lead me to another question to which I have not found any answer from anybody. What happen after the disappearance of this mind-body complex? Does Maya 'emerge' again? Or there is no mirages anymore?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 30, 2013, 04:47:08 PM
Dear Hari,

After the mind-body complex disappears what happens?

For you and me = The body is cremated.  The mind catches the prana and takes another birth.

For Jnanis -  The mind had already disappeared. The body remains till the Jnanis leave the mortal coil, where after he
merges in Pure Space.  There may be pain and misery for the body during diseases.  But Jnani does not 'suffer' the
pain or 'feels miserable' due to misery.

The body is only an appearance.

During His final illness when an attendant asked, 'Bhagavan ! does it pain you more? 
Sri Bhagavan  replied:  Yes. Body is paining (Note: not 'my,body'). 

He treated the body as if it is a shirt on a hanger in the wardrobe, different from Him. The shirt may be torn, a button may
be missing, but that does not affect Him.

Dr. Guruswami Mudaliar who did two of the four surgeries to Sri Bhagavan, said:  "The pain will be excruciating like a lorry
passing on one's hand.  But He says that he has pain as if only some ants are biting Him!  It is remarkable and something
divine!"

Sivananda and Sr Ramakrishna have cried during their unbearable pain in terminal illness.  (Perhaps this may be due to
their long association with the body).   But Sri Bhagavan never cried for the pain of ortho-sarcoma cancer, since His body
became a shirt on the hanger in the wardrobe at the age of seventeen,.   


Arunachala Siva.         
   
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 30, 2013, 05:25:37 PM
Dear Hari

It will be in vain trying to grasp this one part by intellect - especially the state that Subramanian sir is explaining about Bhagawan. When I read that earlier at first from a book - I could just sit spell bound and even now the same way. Body paining and body crying were witnessed by self in case of Sri Ramakrishna, Narayana Guru etc - but in Bhagawan's case it was even beyond that state - truly spell binding...

Sanjay.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 30, 2013, 06:38:35 PM
Dear Hari

It will be in vain trying to grasp this one part by intellect - especially the state that Subramanian sir is explaining about Bhagawan. When I read that earlier at first from a book - I could just sit spell bound and even now the same way. Body paining and body crying were witnessed by self in case of Sri Ramakrishna, Narayana Guru etc - but in Bhagawan's case it was even beyond that state - truly spell binding...

Sanjay.

Dear Hari,

After the mind-body complex disappears what happens?

For you and me = The body is cremated.  The mind catches the prana and takes another birth.

For Jnanis -  The mind had already disappeared. The body remains till the Jnanis leave the mortal coil, where after he
merges in Pure Space.  There may be pain and misery for the body during diseases.  But Jnani does not 'suffer' the
pain or 'feels miserable' due to misery.

The body is only an appearance.

During His final illness when an attendant asked, 'Bhagavan ! does it pain you more? 
Sri Bhagavan  replied:  Yes. Body is paining (Note: not 'my,body'). 

He treated the body as if it is a shirt on a hanger in the wardrobe, different from Him. The shirt may be torn, a button may
be missing, but that does not affect Him.

Dr. Guruswami Mudaliar who did two of the four surgeries to Sri Bhagavan, said:  "The pain will be excruciating like a lorry
passing on one's hand.  But He says that he has pain as if only some ants are biting Him!  It is remarkable and something
divine!"

Sivananda and Sr Ramakrishna have cried during their unbearable pain in terminal illness.  (Perhaps this may be due to
their long association with the body).   But Sri Bhagavan never cried for the pain of ortho-sarcoma cancer, since His body
became a shirt on the hanger in the wardrobe at the age of seventeen,.   


Arunachala Siva.         
   

I don't know what to say. The question is who was crying? Was there an ego in Sri Ramakrishna or Narayana Guru which have made them cry or it was just God's direction. I think that this is the most important. Śri Ramakrishna, Śri Bhagavan and Śri Śivananda are accepted and respected Jnanis. So it seems that jnanam has nothing to do with body reactions. I don't really know.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 30, 2013, 06:49:40 PM
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I don't know what to say. The question is who was crying? Was there an ego in Sri Ramakrishna or Narayana Guru which have made them cry or it was just God's direction. I think that this is the most important. Śri Ramakrishna, Śri Bhagavan and Śri Śivananda are accepted and respected Jnanis. So it seems that jnanam has nothing to do with body reactions. I don't really know.

You are correct on last part. Jnanam has NOTHING TO DO WITH BODY and ITS NATURAL REACTIONS. A jnani's body may or may not react the same way as my and your body, Hari Ji

Narayana Guru beautifully said this. He was making some screetching noises due to terminal illness in last stage. Someone asked - "Swamiji, how can jnani cry?". He laughed immediately and said -  "If you break a green young leaf no sound will come. If you break a dry old leaf, sound will come". Does that not most beautifully explain it all?


-Sanjay.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 30, 2013, 07:45:01 PM
Dear Hari,

Everyday you are asking one question or other.  If Sri Bhagavan were to answer you  He will only use the Brahmastram. He
will ask you: To whom the question arises? Find out that 'I'' and then all questions will get dissolved.  But we are trying to
explain as per the history of Sri Bhagavan's life and teachings. 

Sri Bhagavan said Sri Ramakrishna's crying may be due to old habits on the aspect of body.  Since Sri Bhagavan has dissociated
with the body-mind consciousness totally and irretrievably, His body did not cry.  He felt that the pain was for the body, but body was
not His. He never said MY body is paining.  He said body is paining as if the body was different from Him.  It is like saying 'the shirt
is torn or a button is missing. 

Please read Sri Bhagavan's conversations, teachings and reminiscences of devotees thoroughly. Particularly in this case
you read the small book Maha Nirvana, by Arthur Osborne and Viswanatha Swami.

Arunachala Siva.   
         
Title: Bhagavan about reality of the world
Post by: Hari on June 01, 2013, 02:55:52 PM
As I recalled Bhagavan saying sometimes that unreal (mithya, imaginary) and real (satyam) mean the same, but did not quite understand, I asked him about it. He said, "Yes, I do sometimes say that. What do you mean by real? What is it that you call real?" I answered: "According to Vedanta, only that which is permanent and unchanging can be called real. That is the meaning of Reality." Then Bhagavan said: "The names and forms which constitute the world continually change and perish and are therefore called unreal. It is unreal (imaginary) to limit the Self to these names and forms and real to regard all as the Self. The non-dualist says that the world is unreal, but he also says, 'All this is Brahman'. So it is clear that what he condemns is, regarding the world as objectively real in itself, not regarding it as Brahman. He who sees the Self sees the Self alone in the world also. It is immaterial to the Enlightened whether the world appears or not. In either case, his attention is turned to the Self. It is like the letters and the paper on which they are printed. You are so engrossed in the letters that you forget about the paper, but the Enlightened sees the paper as the substratum whether the letters appear on it or not. The Vedantins do not say that the world is unreal. That is a misunderstanding. If they did, what would be the meaning of the Vedantic text: 'All this is Brahman'? They only mean that the world is unreal as world but real as Self. If you regard the world as non-self, it is not real. Everything, whether you call it illusion (Maya) or Divine Play (Lila) or Energy (Shakti) must be within the Self and not apart from It."
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 03, 2013, 12:21:46 AM
"Blow O wind to where my loved one is. Touch Him and come touch me soon. I'll feel His gentle touch through you and meet His beauty in the moon. These things are much for the one who loves. One can live by them alone: that He and I breathe the same air and that the Earth we tread is one."
(Ramayana)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 03, 2013, 02:46:41 PM
"Should even one's enemy arrive at the doorstep, he should be attended upon with respect. A tree does not withdraw its cooling shade even from the one who has come to cut it."
(Mahabharata 12.146.5)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 03, 2013, 02:58:16 PM
"In the seed there is nothing but the seed - no diversity. At the same time there is the notion of potential diversity [of flowers, fruits] supposedly present in the seed. Even so, cosmic consciousness is one, devoid of diversity; yet the universe of diversity is said to exist only in notion."
(Yoga Vasishtha)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 03, 2013, 03:09:03 PM
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
(Lord of the Rings, J. R. R. Talkien)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 03, 2013, 03:40:44 PM
"Hell has three gates: lust, anger and greed."
(Bhagavad Gita)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 03, 2013, 03:44:48 PM
"Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power. If you realize that you have enough, you are truly rich."
(Lao Tzu)



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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 03, 2013, 07:15:45 PM
Jesus said: If those who lead you say unto you: Behold, the Kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of the heavens will be before you. If they say unto you: It is in the sea, then the fish will be before you. But the Kingdom is within you, and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves, then shall you be known, and you shall know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty.

Elucidation:

Do not believe the words of your spiritual leaders. They tell you heaven is the reward and hell is the punishment after death. The true hell is the world of the dead, the unconscious, the sleeping here on earth. Heaven is the state of the awakened. When you know yourself, you feel a part of the entire creation and all people. When Jesus talks of the Kingdom and the Father, he tries to catch the unspeakable in a metaphor. About that which you cannot speak, you must pass over in silence. It is useless to talk of the unspeakable goal; it is enough to show the way. If you do not know yourself, you lead a miserable life; perhaps rich to the world, but poor for your Self.


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Title: What is the definition of Reality
Post by: Hari on June 04, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
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Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined. In a wider definition, reality includes everything that is and has been, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. A still more broad definition includes everything that has existed, exists, or will exist.

(Source: Wikipedia)
Title: By the Will of Rama
Post by: Hari on June 04, 2013, 10:29:02 PM
"In a certain village there lived a weaver. He was a very pious soul. Everyone trusted him and loved him. He used to sell his goods in the market-place. When a customer asked him the price of a piece of cloth, the weaver would say: 'By the will of Rama the price of the yarn is one rupee and the labour four annas; by the will of Rama the profit is two annas. The price of the cloth, by the will of Rama, is one rupee and six annas.' Such was the people's faith in the weaver that the customer would at once pay the price and take the cloth. The weaver was a real devotee of God. After finishing his supper in the evening, he would spend long hours in the worship hall meditating on God and chanting His name and glories. Now, late one night the weaver couldn't get to sleep. He was sitting in the worship hall, smoking now and then, when a band of robbers happened to pass that way. They wanted a man to carry their goods and said to the weaver, 'Come with us.' So saying, they led him off by the hand. After committing a robbery in a house, they put a load of things on the weaver's head, commanding him to carry them. Suddenly the police arrived and the robbers ran away. But the weaver, with his load, was arrested. He was kept in the lock-up for the night. Next day he was brought before the magistrate for trial. The villagers learnt what had happened and came to court. They said to the magistrate, 'Your Honour, this man could never commit a robbery.' Thereupon the magistrate asked the weaver to make his statement. The weaver said: 'Your Honour, by the will of Rama I finished my meal at night. Then by the will of Rama I was sitting in the worship hall. It was quite late at night by the will of Rama. By the will of Rama I had been thinking of God and chanting His name and glories, when by the will of Rama a band of robbers passed that way. By the will of Rama they dragged me with them; by the will of Rama they committed a robbery in a house; and by the will of Rama they put a load on my head. Just then, by the will of Rama the police arrived, and by the will of Rama I was arrested. Then by the will of Rama the police kept me in the lock-up for the night, and this morning by the will of Rama I have been brought before Your Honour.' The magistrate realized that the weaver was a pious man and ordered his release. On his way home the weaver said to his friends, 'By the will of Rama I have been released.'"
Title: Shirdi Sai about karma
Post by: Hari on June 06, 2013, 01:01:35 PM
Nana: Baba, I am fed up with this saMsAra. It is only nissAra (that's without content). Please help me cut the bonds which bind me to it. What appears as pleasant in the beginning ends in misery. Fate tosses us hither and thither. I don’t see an iota of happiness in this saMsAra.

Shirdi Sai Baba: Nana, you are prattling like a mad man. What you say is only partially true. You have misunderstood the truth. The saMsAra will exist as long as the body exists. No one can escape from it. How can you? Even I am under its clutches. The saMsAra is varied and different. It is the work of Desire and Anger. All the vagaries of the mind and the body constitute saMsAra. By running away and hiding yourself in a forest you cannot escape it. What you are now has been brought on you by yourself. You are only experiencing the fruits of your actions done by you in your previous lives. It is by that cause the effect of the appearance of this body has taken place. This is called deha-prArabdha. The soul gets a body just to experience the consequences of actions of its own previous lives. Without experiencing the consequences of prArabdha karma one cannot leave this world. Why do people look different? Why, in fact, do various living beings look different? It is all because of the karma of previous lives. A rich man’s dog rolls in joy on a cushioned sofa. A poor man’s dog rots at the street corner. The difference is because of prArabdha.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 07, 2013, 12:34:53 PM
Nana: Since pleasure and pain do any way alternate in this samsAra, one feels like hating it and renouncing it. Is it not good to renounce?

Shirdi Sai Baba: Pleasure and pain are both mAyA. What appears as pleasant is not really a pleasure. People in the clutches of samsAra take the appearance of plesure as real pleasure and are drawn towards it. As a result of prArabdha karma one fellow gets tasty, dainty and rich food while another felllow has onoly stale bread to eat. The former thinks that he has no wants and the latter thinks he is a failure. Think well. Whatever you may eat, the result is the same. Appeasement of one’s hunger. One fellow covers his body with costly cloth with zari and all. Another does the same with a torn old rag. Both serve the same purpose. Pleasure and pain depend on the attitude of your mind. This is the effect of mAyA. Do not give place in your mind to thoughts of pleasure and pain.

mAyA manifests itself as the six enemies of man: lust, anger, greed, delusion, pride and envy (see Reply #290; Hari). They make non-real things appear as real. A poor man, seeing the rich man wearing a gold ornament, wishes to have one like that for himself. This is greed. The others are similar to this. Conquer all six of these foes of Man. No desire will then rise in the mind. Otherwise you will become a slave of these six rogues. Use your discretion and kill them. You will not be affected by pleasure and pain caused by mAyA.

Let me tell you how you should go about in this samsAra. A wise person will be content with whatever he has, knowing full well that it is his prArabdha. If you have riches, be humble. A tree with more fruits in it will bend. But do not bend before all. One should certainly be firm and stern with wicked people. But with sAdhus and the devout, you should show humility and modesty.

Spend your wealth in charity and dharma. But do not be extravagant. This body is certainly impermanent but so long as it is there, wealth is necessary to a certain extent. Even bile is necessary for the health of the body. But do not become greedy as money is the be-all and end-all of life. Be charitable. But do not do wasteful expenditure.

Observe happily all the goings-on in the world. Do not forget God. Remember always: 'This samsAra is not mine, it is God's.' Show your sympathy with the poor and the down-trodden. Do not hurt them by showing hate or disgust. Keep a constant mental analysis of the question: 'Who am I?'
Title: Gospel of Thomas
Post by: Hari on June 07, 2013, 01:41:35 PM
"Jesus said, "There was a rich man who had much money. He said, 'I shall put my money to good use so that I may sow, reap, plant, and fill my storehouse with produce, with the result that I shall lack nothing.' Such were his intentions, but that same night he died. Let him who has ears hear""

Commentary: Jesus emphasizes the fact that the time for 'enlightenment' is now, not some far off time when one's affairs have been put in order.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 08, 2013, 01:03:00 PM
ॐ असतो मा सद्गमय ।
तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय ।
मृत्योर्मा अमृतं गमय ।
ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥

Om Asato Maa Sad-Gamaya |
Tamaso Maa Jyotir-Gamaya |
Mrtyor-Maa Amrtam Gamaya |
Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||

1: Om, Lead us from Unreality (of Transitory Existence) to the Reality (of Self),
2: Lead us from the Darkness (of Ignorance) to the Light (of Spiritual Knowledge),
3: Lead us from the Fear of Death to the Knowledge of Immortality.
4: Om Peace, Peace, Peace.

(Brihadaranyaka Upanishad)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 08, 2013, 11:10:33 PM
"And now hear from Me, O Arjuna, about the threefold pleasure. The pleasure one enjoys from (spiritual) practice results in cessation of sorrow. This pleasure, appears as poison in the beginning but is like nectar in the end, comes by the grace of Self-knowledge; is good or Sattvika. Sensual pleasures appear as nectars in the beginning, but become poison in the end; such pleasures are called Rajasika pleasures."

(Bhagavad Gita)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 09, 2013, 03:05:54 AM
"Don’t ask (it’s forbidden to know) what end the gods will grant to me or you, Leuconoe. Don’t play with Babylonian fortune-telling either. It is better to endure whatever will be. Whether Jupiter (Zeus) has allotted to you many more winters or this final one which even now wears out the Tyrrhenian sea on the rocks placed opposite — be wise, strain the wine, and scale back your long hopes to a short period. While we speak, envious time will have {already} fled. Seize the day, trusting as little as possible in the next."

(Horatio)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 09, 2013, 06:49:58 PM
Devotee: The Vedas contain conflicting accounts of cosmogony. Ether is said to be the first creation in one place, vital energy in another, water in another, something else in another; how can all this be reconciled? Does it not impair the credibility of the Vedas?

Sri Ramana Mahaṛshi: Different seers saw different aspects of truth at different times, each emphasising some viewpoint. Why do you worry about their conflicting statements? The essential aim of the Vedas is to teach us the nature of the imperishable Self and show us that we are That.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 09, 2013, 06:55:39 PM
"Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

(William Shakespeare)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 09, 2013, 06:59:38 PM
"Maintain the attitude that 'All is Brahman', and act with the conviction that it is true. Test it in your life, and see if it is true or not!"

(Sri Siddharameswar Maharaj)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 09, 2013, 08:41:29 PM
"I can't go back to yesterday because I was a different person then."

(Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland")

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 09, 2013, 08:51:33 PM
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

(Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland")

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 10, 2013, 12:23:21 AM
"The person who is not disturbed by happiness or distress and steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation"

(Srimad Bhagavatam)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 10, 2013, 03:16:52 AM
Not to teach the world, the myth,
not to gain a mass of wealth,
not for name and fame that hails.
There a Sage in samadhi dwells,
flock you all and worship Him,
’tis not for these I sing this hymn;
only for the great reward,
the death of ego, I pray, my Lord!


(Sri Ramana Guruvarul Antadi, verse 68)
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 10, 2013, 12:09:31 PM
"The state of one who abides unshaken in Self has more grandeur than the mightiest mountain."

(Tirukkural, verse 124)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 10, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
"Why so much grief for me? No man will hurl me down to Death, against my fate. And fate? No one alive has ever escaped it, neither brave man nor coward, I tell you - it’s born with us the day that we are born."

(Homer, The Iliad)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 11, 2013, 02:47:35 AM
"Liberation is our very nature. We are that. The very fact that we wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real nature. It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to get rid of the false notion that we are bound. When we achieve that, there will be no desire or thought of any sort. So long as one desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one is in bondage."

(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 12, 2013, 04:10:48 PM
Devotee: What is meant by saying that one should enquire into one's true nature and understand it?

Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: Experiences such as, "I" went; "I" came; "I" was; "I" did; come naturally to everyone. From these experiences, does it not appear that the consciousness "I" is the subject of those various acts? Enquiry into the true nature of that consciousness, and remaining as oneself is the way to understand, through enquiry, one's true nature.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 13, 2013, 05:05:34 PM
Devotee: How to Control Mind?
Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: By the enquiry "Who am I?". The thought "Who am I?" will destroy all other thoughts, and like the stick used for stirring the burning pyre, it will itself in the end get destroyed. Then one would be Self-aware.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 14, 2013, 05:03:19 PM
"The Guru is both external and internal. From the exterior He gives a push to the mind to turn it inwards. From the interior He pulls the mind towards the Self and helps in the quieting of the mind. That is the Guru's Grace. There is no difference between God, Guru and the Self."

(Bhagavan Sri  Ramana Maharishi)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 15, 2013, 12:53:37 PM
"The great remedy for the long-lasting disease of samsara is the enquiry, 'Who am I?, to whom does this samsara belong?,' which entirely cures it."

(Yoga Vasishta Sara)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 15, 2013, 01:35:37 PM
Mrs. Piggot: Is a Master necessary for realisation?
Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: The realisation is the result of the Master's Grace more than teachings, lectures, meditation, etc. They are only secondary aids, whereas the former is the primary and the essential cause.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 17, 2013, 09:39:51 AM
"Mind is consciousness which has put on limitations. You are originally unlimited and perfect. Later you take on limitations and become the mind."

(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi)
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 17, 2013, 10:04:35 AM
"Questioning 'Who am I?' within one's mind, when one reaches the Heart, the individual 'I' sinks crestfallen, and at once reality manifests itself as 'I-I'. Though it reveals itself thus, it is not the ego 'I' but the perfect being the Self Absolute"

(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 17, 2013, 05:53:20 PM
"When I asked God for strength, He gave me difficult situations to face.
When I asked God for brain and brown, He gave me Puzzles in life to solve.
When I asked God for happiness, He showed me some unhappy people.
When I asked God for wealth, He showed me how to work hard.
When I asked God for favors, He showed me opportunities to work hard.
When I asked God for peace He showed me how to help others.
God gave me nothing I wanted, He gave me everything I needed."


(Swami Vivekananda)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 19, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
Nana: Baba, Who is God? How will He look? Where is He? How can we see Him?

Shirdi Sai Baba: Those who toil in samsAra neither understand what is right and wrong nor do they comprehen the nature of God. Pure thoughts are absent in them. Constantly being immersed in the ocean of samsAra they do not have faith in devotion or in the scriptures. They don’t reach God. They go towards hell.

On the other hand those who are eager to rise higher towards salvation, discard this state of bondage and begin to enquire with discretion and intelligence. They are always itching to see God. They develop bhakti towards Him and observe the laws of the scriptures. They adopt nAma-japa and dhyAna and become a sAdhaka (an aspirant to reach God). They continuously move with the devout. When they reach a mature stage in their japa and dhyAna they become saintly. In that stage God and man are alike. Praise and blame are one and the same for them. Desires have left them. The thought of 'I' and 'mine' are not any more there. They begin to see that their own AtmA and God are the same. They realize 'I am brahman'.

Observe how each one of them has reached God. You will yourself then understand that God permeates all animate and inanimate objects in the world.

God is everywhere. There is no place where He is not. What prevents us from seeing Him is the power of mAyA. I, you, this world, all are part of Ishvara. Therefore no one should hate another. Never forget that the Lord is everywhere. That will generate Love in you. When Love overflows, everything is obtained.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 23, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
Today is Pentecost's Day in Eastern Orthodox Church. Today is the birth of the Church so to speak. I wish to everyone of you Christ's Love and His Consciousness to rise in your Heart. This reminded me about the beautiful word of Sri Paramahansa Yogananda about Lord Jesus:
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"O Christ – Thou Rarest Flower of Hearts. O Thou Great Lover of error-torn brothers – as unseen monument of the mightiest miracle of love was established in each heart when the magic wand of Thy Voice uttered: "Forgive them, for they know not what they do." O Shepherd of Souls, wandering hearts are of themselves seeking the one fold of divine devotion. We have heard the ever-calling music of Thy infinite kindness. Our one desire is to be at home with Thee, to receive the Cosmic Father with joyous, open eyes of wisdom, and to know that we are all sons of our own One God."
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 24, 2013, 10:11:28 PM
"Only two kinds of people can attain Self-knowledge: those who are not encumbered at all with learning, that is to say, whose minds are not over-crowded with thoughts borrowed from others; and those who, after studying all the scriptures and sciences, have come to realise that they know nothing."

(Bhagavan Sri Ramakrishna)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 24, 2013, 10:18:06 PM
"You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say that there are no stars in the heavens during the day? Because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God."

(Bhagavan Sri Ramakrishna)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 25, 2013, 05:48:33 PM
"What Brahman is cannot be described. All things in the world — the Vedas, the Puranas, the Tantras, the six systems of philosophy — have been defiled, like food that has been touched by the tongue, for they have been read or uttered by the tongue. Only one thing has not been defiled in this way, and that is Brahman. No one has ever been able to say what Brahman is."

(Bhagavan Sri Ramakrishna)

"The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao."

(Lao Tzu)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 30, 2013, 09:39:36 PM
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'I exist' is the only permanent self-evident experience of everyone. Nothing else is so self-evident as 'I am'. What people call self-evident, that is, the experience they get through the senses, is far from self-evident. The Self alone is that. So to do self-enquiry and be that 'I am' is the only thing to do. 'I am' is reality. I am this or that is unreal. 'I am' is truth, another name for Self.

(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 03, 2013, 03:30:41 AM
"All talk of surrender is like pinching brown sugar from a brown sugar image of Lord Ganesa and offering it as naivedya [food offering] to the same Lord Ganesa. You say you offer your body, soul and all possessions to God. Were they yours that you could offer them? At best, you can only say, 'I falsely imagined till now that all these which are Yours were mine. Now I realize they are Yours. I shall no more act as if they are mine.' This knowledge that there is nothing but God or Self, that I or mine don't exist and that only the Self exists, is jnana. Thus there is no difference between bhakti and jnana. Bhakti is jnana mata or the mother of jnana."

(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 05, 2013, 11:41:08 AM
Question: What is reality?
Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: Reality must be always real. It is not with form and names. That which underlies these is the reality. It underlies limitations, being itself limitless. It is not bound. It underlies unrealities, itself being real. Reality is that which is. It is as it is. It transcends speech. It is beyond the expressions "existence, non-existence", etc.
  The reality which is the mere consciousness that remains when ignorance is destroyed along with knowledge of objects, alone is the Self [atma]. In that Brahma-swarupa [real form of Brahman], which is abundant Self-awareness, there is not the least ignorance.
  The reality which shines fully, without misery and without a body, not only when the world is known but also when the world is not known, is your real form [nija-swarupa].
  The radiance of consciousness-bliss, in the form of one awareness shining equally within and without, is the supreme and blissful primal reality. Its form is silence and it is declared by jnanis to be the final and unobstructable state of true knowledge [jnana].
  Know that jnana alone is non-attachment; jnana alone is purity; jnana is attainment of God; jnana which is devoid of forgetfulness of Self alone is immortality; jnana alone is everything.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 06, 2013, 05:20:15 PM
Question: What is this awareness and how can one obtain and cultivate it?
Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: You are awareness. Awareness is another name for you. Since you are awareness there is no need to attain or cultivate it. All that you have to do is to give up being aware of them then pure awareness alone remains, and that is the Self.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 06, 2013, 05:38:16 PM
Question: If the Self is itself aware, why am I not aware of it even now?
Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: There is no duality. Your present knowledge is due to the ego and is only relative. Relative knowledge requires a subject and an object, wheres the awareness of the Self is absolute and requires no object.
  Remembrance also is similarly relative, requiring an object to be remembered and a subject to remember. When there is no duality, who is to remember whom?
  The Self is ever-present. Each one wants to know the Self. What kind of help does one require to know oneself? People want to see the Self as something new. But it is eternal and remains the same all along. They desire to see it as a blazing light etc. How can it be so? It is not light, not darkness. It is only as it is. It cannot be defined. The best definition is "I am that I am". The srutis [scriptures] speak of the Self as being the size of one's thumb, the tip of the hair, an electrical spark, vast, subtler than the subtlest, etc. They have no foundation in fact. It is only being, but different from the real and unreal; it is knowledge , but different from knowledge and ignorance. How can it be defined at all? It is simply being.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 07, 2013, 08:37:40 PM
Question: When a man realizes the Self, what will he see?

Bhagavan's answer: There is no seeing. Seeing is only being. The state of Self-realization, as we call it, is not attaining something new or reaching some goal which is far away, but simply being that which you always are and which you always have been. All that is needed is that you give up your realization of the not-true as true. All of us are regarding as real that which is not real. We have only to give up this practice on our part. Then we shall realize the Self as the Self; in other words, 'be the Self'. At one stage you will laugh at yourself for trying to discover the Self which is so self-evident. So, what can we say to this question?
  That stage transcends the seer and the seen. There is no seer there to see anything. The seer who is seeing all this now ceases to exist and the Self alone remains.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 07, 2013, 08:44:01 PM
Question: How to know this [the Self] by direct experience?
Bhagavans's answer: If we talk of knowing the Self, there must be two selves, one a knowing self, another the self which is known, and the process of knowing. The state we call realization is simply being oneself, not knowing anything or becoming anything. If one has realized, one is that which alone is and which alone has always been. One cannot describe that state. One can only be that. Of course, we loosely talk of Self-realization, for want of a better term. How to 'real-ize' or make real that which alone is real?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 08, 2013, 09:49:42 AM
Question: You sometimes say the Self is silence. Why is this?
Sri Ramana's answer: For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of thoughts, there is nothing which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state nothing exists to be attained other than oneself.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 08, 2013, 10:13:45 AM
Question: What is mouna [silence]?
Bhagavan's answer: That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That whichi is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words?
  Sages say that the state in which the thought 'I' [the ego] does not rise even in the least, alone is Self [swarupa] which is silence [mouna]. That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva [individual soul]. Self alone is this ancient world.
  All other knowledges are only petty and trivial knowledges; the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 14, 2013, 02:07:31 PM
Question: As the bodies and the selves animating them are everywhere actually observed to be innumaerable how can it be said that the Self is only one?
Bhagavan's answer: If the idea 'I am the body' is accepted, the selves are multiple. The state in which this idea vanishes is the Self since in that state there are no other objects. It is for this reason that the Self is regarded as one only.
  Since the body itself does not exist in the natural outlook of the real Self, but only in the extroverted outlook of the mind which is deluded by the power of illusion, to call Self, the space of consciousness, dehi [the possessor of the body] is wrong.
  The world does not exist without the body, the body never exists without the mind, the mind never exists without consciousness and consciousness never exists without the reality.
  For the wise one who has known the Self by diving within himself, there is nothing other than the Self to be known. Why? Because since the ego which identifies the form of a body as 'I' has perished, he [the wise one] is the formless existence-consciousness.
  The jnani [one who has realized the Self] knows he is the Self and that nothing, neither his body nor anything else, exists but the Self. To such a one what difference could the presence or absence of a body make?
  It is a false to speak of realization. What is there to realize? The real is as it is always. We are not creating anything new or achieving something which we did not have before. The illustration given in the books is this. We dig a well and create a huge pit. The space in the pit or well has not been created by us. We have just removed the earth which was filling the space there. The space was there then and is also there now. Similarly we have simply to throw out all the age-long samskaras [innate tendencies] which are inside us. When all of them have been given up, the Self will shine alone.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 14, 2013, 04:03:25 PM
"God has revealed to me that only the Paramatman, whom the Vedas describe as the Pure Soul, is as immutable as Mount Sumeru, unattached, and beyond pain and pleasure. There is much confusion in this world of His maya. One can by no means say that 'this' will come after 'that' or 'this' will produce 'that'."

(Bhagavan Ramakrishna)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 14, 2013, 10:10:13 PM
Question: But how to do this and attain liberation?
Bhagavan's answer: Liberation is our very nature. We are that. The very fact that we wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real nature. It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to get rid of the false notion that we are bond. When we achieve that, there will be no desire or thought of any sort. So long as one desires liberation, so long, you make take it, one is in bondage.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 15, 2013, 08:51:19 PM
Question: For one who has realized his Self, it is said that he will not have the three states of wakefulness, dream and deep sleep. Is that a fact?
Bhagavan's answer: What makes you say that they do not have the three states? In saying 'I had a dream; I was in deep sleep; I am awake', you must admit that you were there in all the three states. That makes it clear that you were there all the time. If you remain as you are now, you are in the wakeful state; this becomes hidden in the dream state; and the dream state disappears when you are in deep sleep. You were there then , you are there now, but you are there at all times. The three states come and go, but you are always there. It is like a cinema. The screen is always there but several types of pictures appear on the screen. Similarly, you remain your own Self in all the three states. If you know that, the three states will not trouble you, just as the pictures which appear on the screen do not stick to it. On the screen, you sometimes see a huge ocean with endless waves; that disappears. Another time, you see fire spreading all around; that too disappears. The screen is there on both occasions. Did the screen get wet with the water or did it get burned by the fire? Nothing affected the screen. In the same way, the things that happen during wakeful, dream and sleep states do not affect you at all; you remain your own Self.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 16, 2013, 10:32:34 PM
"There are pearls in the deep sea, but one must hazard all to find them. If diving once does not bring you pearls, you need not therefore conclude that the sea is without them. Dive again and again. You are sure to be rewarded in the end. So is it with the finding of the Lord in this world. If your first attempt proves fruitless, do not lose heart. Persevere in your efforts. You are sure to realize Him at last."
[Sri Ramakrishna]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 18, 2013, 11:32:05 AM
Question: Does that mean that, although people have all three states, wakefulness, dream and deep sleep, these do not affect them?
Bhagan's answer: Yes, that it is. All these states come and go. The Self is not bothered; it has only one state.

Question: Does that mean that such a person will be in this world merely as a witness?
Bhagavan's answer: That is so; for this very thing, Vidyaranya, in the tenth chapter of Panchadasi, gives as example the light that is kept on the stage of a theatre. When a drama is being played, the light is there, which illuminates, without any distinction, all the actors, whether they be kings or servants or dancers, and also all the audience. That light will be there before the drama begins, during the performance and also after the performance is over. Similarly, the light within, that is, the Self, gives light to the ego, the intellect, the memory and the mind without itself being subject to processes of growth and decay. Although during deep sleep and other states there is no feeling of ego, that Self remains attributeless, and continues to shine of itself.
  Actually, the idea of the Self being the witsness is only in the mind; it is not the absolute truth of the Self. Witnessing is relative to objects witnessed. Both the witness and his object are mental creations.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 18, 2013, 11:54:22 AM
I don't remember if I have discussed this in this forum but it doesn't matter. In spirituality the repetition sometimes give another light of knowledge and clearance.

Bhagavan teaches that complete bhakti leads to realization that only 'I am' exists. So why such devoted bhaktas like Sri Chaitanya or Church fathers or Sufis don't realize such complete nonduality. And why Sri Krisha says in Bhagavata:

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"Some endowed with such bhakti do not aspire for mOkshA or even oneness with My Being; for their delight consists in serving Me and in working out My will (and not in becoming one with Me). They therefore congregate together and honor Me by adoration and participation in My works. Such holy persons perceive and engage themselves in loving conversations with My enthralling spiritual Emanations, who possess beaming countenances and lotus-like eyes and have the power to grant all that the devotees may want."

Do we really understand what Self-realization means? Does it means to realize that only the Self exists or that 'I' and everything is experience as one in the midst of duality is difference? Even accepting that the world is a dream, this is also a duality - I and the dream. So what does Self-realization means to you now? What is your understanding based on your logic and experience?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on July 19, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
Hari/Friends,
What Sri Chaitanya and other great ones realized is not a matter of reasoning or debate or discussion.We do know that they had intimate knowledge of God and revelled in him-whether we choose to call God as Self,Paramatman or Bhagavan -all are one thing only.

We may consider two excepts for our understanding:

1.Talk 32-From Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
A visitor: The saints Sri Chaitanya and Sri Ramakrishna wept before God and achieved success. Is that not the path to follow?
M.: Yes. There was a powerful force (sakti) drawing them on through all those experiences. Trust in that huge power to take you on to
your goal. Tears are often considered a sign of weakness. These great persons were certainly not weak. These manifestations are only passing signs of the great current carrying them on. We must look to the end achieved.

2.An excerpt from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:
MASTER: "Chaitanya experienced three states of mind. First, the conscious state, when his mind dwelt on the gross and the subtle. Second, the semi-conscious state, when his mind entered the causal body and was absorbed in the bliss of divine intoxication. Third, the
inmost state, when his mind was merged in the Great Cause.
This agrees very well with the five koshas, or 'sheaths', described in the Vedanta. The gross body corresponds to the annamayakosha and the pranamayakosha, the subtle body to the manomayakosha and the vijnanamayakosha, and the causal body to the anandamayakosha.
The Mahakarana, the Great Cause, is beyond the five sheaths. When Chaitanya's mind merged in That, he would go into samadhi. This is called the nirvikalpa or jada samadhi.
"While conscious of the outer world, Chaitanya sang the name of God; while in the state of partial consciousness, he danced with the devotees; and while in the inmost state of consciousness, he remained absorbed in samadhi."
M. (to himself): "Is the Master hinting at the different states of his own mind? There is much similarity between Chaitanya and the Master."

If we read The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence,this will be clear to us.It is only the expression that is different-that is all.

Sri Ramakrishna says so simply:
"One should not harbour malice toward any person or any opinion. The believers in the formless God and the worshippers of God with form are all,without exception, going toward God alone. The jnani, the yogi, the bhakta-all, without exception, are seeking Him alone. The follower of the path of knowledge calls Him 'Brahman'. The yogi calls Him 'Atman' or 'Paramatman'. The bhakta calls Him 'Bhagavan'.
Further, it is said that there is the Eternal Lord and His Eternal Servant
."
JAYGOPAL: "How can we know that all paths are true?"
MASTER: "A man can reach God if he follows one path rjghtly. Then he can learn about all the other paths. It is like reaching the roof by some means or other. Then one is able to climb down by the wooden or stone stairs, by a bamboo pole, or even by a rope.
"A devotee can know everything when God's grace descends on him. If you but realize Him, you will be able to know all about Him. You should somehow meet the master of a house and become acquainted with him; then he himself will tell you how many houses he
owns and all about his gardens and government seurities
."

Please compare what Sri Ramakrishna says with what Sri Krishna has said as quoted by you.

Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 19, 2013, 08:10:03 PM
Thank you, Sri Ravi! Excellent answer!
Title: Question about free will
Post by: Hari on July 22, 2013, 11:26:52 AM
Our attitude about free will is very important for how will live our life. There is two concept about free will among Indian and all religions. On one side we are taught to be good, to leave money to charities and so on, to change ourselves. On the other side Sages like Ramana taught that we have no control over ourselves. That the only thing which we must do is to 'search' our own Self, to be as we are but to do Atma-vichara at the same time. So what must be our attitude here? Is that mean that I can continue for example to go to pubs, to drink, to sleep with as much girls as I can and the only thing that I must do is Atma-vichara because I have no control over myself? But if that so why almost all Sages in all religions teach to change ourselves to be better people? I am confused.  :-\
Title: Re: Question about free will
Post by: Hari on July 22, 2013, 11:29:27 AM
Our attitude about free will is very important for how will live our life. There are two concepts about free will among Indian and all religions. On one side we are taught to be good, to leave money to charities and so on, to change ourselves. On the other side Sages like Ramana taught that we have no control over ourselves. That the only thing which we must do is to 'search' our own Self, to be as we are but to do Atma-vichara at the same time. So what must be our attitude here? Is that mean that I can continue for example to go to pubs, to drink, to sleep with as much girls as I can and the only thing that I must do is Atma-vichara because I have no control over myself? But if that so why almost all Sages in all religions teach to change ourselves to be better people? I am confused.  What should I do or do nothing? :-\
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on July 22, 2013, 05:06:38 PM
Dear Hari,

My adittude is that we have free will,and all that talk about not having it we are using just to jastify ourselfs. Other thing,about not really having it,is true too,but only from the stand point of a Jnani. So long we are believing we are the body,so long free will exist. I think we chose to believe that we dont have it only when it suits us. For example,when we desperatly want and pursue something,we are not prone to believe same thing,when we fail to accomplish it. We try and try over again. Then there is no thought of free will. We have a free will to chose good over false. That is indeed non violence. Now,when we have some deep rooted habits,it is not an easy thing. It needs strong will,and most of us truly dont have it. Then,our only solution is to reflext deeply,to analise ourselves,to see what make us do things we do. That means to be honest with ourselves,coz,what we will see is not plesant and it can truly hurt us. But not that much as avoiding it. Awareness is indeed cure for everything. Constant introspection is needed and our folowing of our Guru words.
It is all natural,we all suffer from this or that. All of us. And I think that only God can heal us,only His love. So what we can do? Just to pray over and over,to reflect,to remain aware,and to give us completely to God. Then,all will go away one by one. Not over night,but it will. We all struggle with this ego,but all of us will be saved too. And we must aspire not to harm anyone,or ourselves. We must try. Little by little.
What is the impuls to drink really? I think it is the means to avoid this so called reality,way to run away,way to drown our pain,our emptiness. But,would it go away? No in this way. It will only makes us more empty and it eats our soul. Same with promiscuity. It is,either,our need to get affection,or,more likely,masked revenge. From some trauma,something unplesant from childhood. We all suffer from many maladies,hidding them deep Inside and try to run away. But that is not the solution,only reflection,awareness and Atma vichara,and love are solutions. Only God. Nothing else.

All will be well,dear Hari! With all of us!:)

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 22, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
Thank you for your replay, dear.
I just found our that just contemplation on my reality is not enough. I feel more alive and 'me' when I do something for someone. I experienced by God's mercy a few times that karma yoga is very important. I felt for a first time the deep truth of Lord Krishna Who says:"Even by abandoning action, a man’s mind may be active. One cannot reach perfection, merely by renouncing action". Action is needed too. But my problem is about acting. How to act? And what to do? To do my job for example as student or to do good to people. And what is the purpose of acting? Should I achieve anything? Or just acting, without purpose? Does my action gives specific fruit? If I study for example for an exam does that mean that I will pass it? If I don't then what was the purpose of my acting? Should I learn something? Is there any meaning in acting. If there is no meaning then what is the difference between serving the Lord and killing animals as a butcher? I know that many people will not understand me what is in my heart right now but I believe somebody will.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on July 22, 2013, 06:11:49 PM
Dear Hari,

There is nothing wrong in the way you feel. Absolutely nothing! We all ponder over those things,and the one who ponders is only near God. That means you have conscience. We are good people,we only dont have consciousness,awareness,so to say. Heart only matters. And Guru can see your heart.

So long we are in need to act,so long we need not to expect any fruit of our good doings. Only then its pure. If you wish to study,then study,give your heart and soul to it. And you will succeed. And if it dont work out good,then what to do. All have some deeper purpose in it,especially failure. We supose to learn something. And you dont need to do good if that will be some act of pure vanity or concience. And if you can reach your hand and help someone passing by,then do it. But not coz some Sage said it,but coz it resonates with your Soul and heart. All good returns. But that should not be the reason. We dont need to be missionares to live rightful life. How things happen in your life,in that way you will see if you need to act or not. I think it is best to listen and be receptive,what is situations around us trying to tell us. If we make mistake,thats ok too. We will learn from it. Like Swami Vivekananda said,those will be angels anawaress. But,like Bhagavan and all the sages said,our greatest service is to free ourselves. All else will follow. What you are going through,i went through for many years. To do this or that,to go this way or other,so many questions,and nothing changes. But all this is so much needed. That is sadhana itself in some way.

If we do some job which is against our conscience,then quit it and pray to God for support. And it will surely come. Or dont,but devote all free time to God. Then He will free you. What is more important,your peaceful mind and heart,or that what you get from some work(about butcher). Your heart only knows. Listen to it only.

One thing I know,everything is teaches us something,if we are open to see what. Just give youself to God. He will cure all maladies. It is advice for me too.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 22, 2013, 06:23:43 PM
My concern is - do we need to be more than what we are now to be real sadhakas?!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on July 22, 2013, 06:34:56 PM
To be more in which way? More in ambitious way and wordly,or more like a person?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 22, 2013, 06:39:52 PM
To be better, world-less person
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on July 22, 2013, 06:58:06 PM
Well,what we need is to be free,not covered with this dark mass of ignorance and ego. What will that mean,would we be better "person",and what is real meaning of good or bad,God will decide. And only He knows real import of goodness. Aspire to be good sadhaka and to be free,thats enough I think.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on July 22, 2013, 07:22:44 PM
Our attitude about free will is very important ...

If we take Bhagavan's way, then it is not our attitude about free will that is important but the very entity that is referred to as the 'I'.

When thoughts arise, one should not pursue them, but should inquire: ‘To whom do they arise?’ It does not matter how many thoughts arise. As each thought arises, one should inquire with diligence, “To whom has this thought arisen?”. The answer that would emerge would be “To me”. Thereupon if one inquires “Who am I?”, the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source. When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the senseorgans, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the heart, the names and forms disappear. Not letting the mind go out, but retaining it in the Heart is what is called “inwardness” (antarmukha). Letting the mind go out of the Heart is known as “externalisation” (bahir-mukha). Thus, when the mind stays in the Heart, the ‘I’ which is the source of all thoughts will go, and the Self which ever exists will shine. Whatever one does, one should do without the egoity “I”. If one acts in that way, all will appear as of the nature of Siva (God). (Who am I, 11)

Bhagavan's way directly guides us to kill the 'I' right at the roots, giving no way for the 'I' to grow and analyse further so and so forth.

Nothing is more important than subjugating the 'I' that is sprouting.

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 22, 2013, 07:25:56 PM
Quote
Whatever one does, one should do without the egoity “I”.

How do you do it? How to act without egoity? Have you achieved that?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 23, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
"The words of wise men are like goads, and masters of these collections are like well-driven nails; they are given by one Shepherd. But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body."
[Ecclesiastes 12:11,12]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 23, 2013, 12:59:52 PM
A Lament

O well for him who lives at ease
With garnered gold in wide domain,
Nor heeds the splashing of the rain,
The crashing down of forest trees.
O well for him who ne'er hath known
The travail of the hungry years,
A father grey with grief and tears,
A mother weeping all alone.
But well for him whose feet hath trod
The weary road of toil and strife,
Yet from the sorrows of his life
Builds ladders to be nearer God.

Oscar Wilde
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 23, 2013, 03:56:21 PM
"There is no greater sorrow than to recall a happy time when miserable."
[Dante Alighieri]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 23, 2013, 04:12:38 PM
"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."
[George R.R. Martin, "A game of thrones"]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 23, 2013, 04:24:04 PM
"Just as it is known that an image of one's face is seen depending on a mirror but does not really exist as a face, so the conception of "I" exists dependent on mind and body, but like the image of a face the "I" does not at all exist as its own reality."
[Nāgārjuna]
(http://www.thebucketshop.com/lessonplans/michals.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 24, 2013, 12:52:23 PM
"When I was a little girl I used to read fairy tales. In fairy tales you meet Prince Charming and he's everything you ever wanted. In fairy tales the bad guy is very easy to spot. The bad guy is always wearing a black cape so you always know who he is. Then you grow up and you realize that Prince Charming is not as easy to find as you thought. You realize the bad guy is not wearing a black cape and he's not easy to spot; he's really funny, and he makes you laugh, and he has perfect hair."
[Taylor Swift]

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 24, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
"It is not despair, for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt. We do not."
[Gandalf, "Lord of the Rings", J.R.R. Tolkien]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 25, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
"The strongest of all warriors are these two — Time and Patience."
[Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 26, 2013, 11:46:33 AM
"Stillness means 'being free from thoughts' and yet aware."
[Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 29, 2013, 12:40:03 PM
"Regulation of life, such as getting up at a fixed hour, bathing, doing mantra-japa, etc., all this is for people who do not feel drawn to Self-enquiry, or are not capable of it. But for those who can practise this method all rules and disciplines are unnecessary."
[Bhagavan Śri Ramana Maharishi]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 29, 2013, 01:05:22 PM
"By means of a moderate quantity of sattvic (pure) food, which is superior to all other rules and regulations of self discipline, the sattvic or pure quality of the mind will grow and Self-enquiry will be helped."
[Bhagavan Śri Ramana Maharishi]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 01, 2013, 06:16:55 PM
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."
[Albert Einstein]


(http://www.hlapeta.bg/documents/Curious/facts/persons/%D0%90lbert%D0%95instein.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 01, 2013, 06:25:57 PM

Desr Hari,


Sri Bhagavan solved the "mysterious" at the age of 17. That is why, nothing else was mysterious to Him.  He, witheout reading   
reading the theory of relartivity, when a devotee explained that to Him, He answered that there are two observers for
looking a particle differently, they appeared different.  But there is only OBSERVER THAT IS GOD.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 01, 2013, 06:38:37 PM
Yes, the Source of all religions, science, art and so on is One and it is mysterious. It is mysterious only because it is unknown. It is unknown only because of our ignorance.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 01, 2013, 07:09:23 PM
"Love is like a beautiful flower which I may not touch, but whose fragrance makes the garden a place of delight just the same."
[Helen Keller]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 02, 2013, 01:30:00 PM
"People are often unreasonable and self-centered. Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of ulterior motives. Be kind anyway. If you are honest, people may cheat you. Be honest anyway. If you find happiness, people may be jealous. Be happy anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have and it may never be enough. Give your best anyway. For you see, in the end, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway."
[Mother Teresa]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 02, 2013, 01:31:26 PM
"Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous."
[Albert Einstein]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 02, 2013, 01:43:40 PM
"The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us."
[C.S. Lewis]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 02, 2013, 02:10:20 PM
"If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world."
[C.S. Lewis]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 12:06:47 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
(http://wallpafer.com/wp-content/uploads/beautiful_life_quotes_and_sayings.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 12:11:37 AM
(http://www.carolinebakker.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DalaiLamaQuote-1024x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 12:13:17 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9QAPqBKxyys/UU_GtjTRywI/AAAAAAAAAkY/IxzIctzOHLI/s400/Sri-Ramakrishna-Quote.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 12:16:11 AM
(http://www.motivationalquotesabout.com/images/quotes/too-much-study-of-the-scriptures-does-more-ramakrishna.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 12:18:55 AM
(http://www.motivationalquotesabout.com/images/quotes/not-seek-illumination-unless-you-seek-ramakrishna.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 12:23:01 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 02:58:12 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 03:46:00 PM
"As the deer pants for streams of water, so my soul pants for You, O God."
[Psalm 42]

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6084/6071667073_697a602900_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2013, 03:48:42 PM
(http://www.1000advices.com/images/ilove_jesus_patient-kind.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 05, 2013, 07:00:48 PM
Dear Hari,

Beautiful quotes and pictures!

Thank You Very much!

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 06, 2013, 04:16:08 PM
Thank you, dear Jewell! It always joy for me to do it!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 06, 2013, 04:17:50 PM
(http://www.quotesforthemind.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Buddha-meditation-messages-and-quotes.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 06, 2013, 04:18:51 PM
(http://wallpoper.com/images/00/29/88/22/quotes-buddha_00298822.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 06, 2013, 04:19:55 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8305/7872319106_c35a09fe63_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 06, 2013, 09:41:54 PM
(http://harekrishnaquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Quotes-by-Srimad-Bhagavatam-on-Seeing-Lord-Krishna-Everywhere.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 06, 2013, 10:09:28 PM
(http://harekrishnaquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Quotes-by-Srila-Prabhupada-on-Capturing-Lord-Krishna.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 07, 2013, 12:54:19 AM
(http://www.quotesforthemind.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Famous-and-popular-Bible-verses-and-passages.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on August 07, 2013, 08:27:56 AM
Hari,
Wonderful Ten Ways!Thanks very much.
Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 07, 2013, 05:06:54 PM
Thank you, Sri Ravi! They are wonderful indeed! :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 09, 2013, 02:37:45 AM
"Life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it."
[Charles R. Swindoll]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 09, 2013, 02:44:24 AM
"If you cannot do great things, do small things in a great way."
[Napoleon Hill]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 09, 2013, 11:51:13 AM
"When you can't solve the problem, manage it."
[Robert H. Schuller]
Title: Christian story
Post by: Hari on August 09, 2013, 12:52:12 PM
Attaining God

- What action shall I perform to attain God?
- If you wish to attain God, there are two things you must know. The first is that all efforts to attain Him are of no avail.
- And the second?
- You must act as if you did not know the first.
Title: The Heart Donkey - Sufi story
Post by: Hari on August 09, 2013, 03:55:39 PM
There was a man in Turkey who was travelling with his favourite donkey, a faithful companion for years and an animal very close to his heart. At the end of a hard day on the road he came to an inn and decided to rest there for the night. No sooner than he had taken off the saddle bags than a youth working for the inn came out to greet him.

“Salaam Aleikum, sir, welcome to our humble shelter! Please, come inside and get some warm soup and sit beside the fire.”

“Of course, I’d love to but first I must make sure my donkey is well cared for.” The man said, patting his donkey on the back. The youth smiled generously.

“Please, sir, allow me to attend to such details, you are an honoured guest here.”

“But it’s just that he’s an old donkey and needs a nice bed of hay to lie in.”

“Sir, we guarantee you the best care possible.”

“But you will sweep the floor first to make sure there are no stones? He gets in a terrible mood if he doesn’t sleep well.”

“Please, sir, just trust me, we are professionals here.”

“But you will add some water to his straw – his teeth are getting shakey and he likes just a little fresh grass to begin with.”

“Sir, you are embarrassing me!

“And you will give him a little rubdown along the spine – he goes crazy for that!”

“Sir, please just leave everything to me.”

So finally the man gave in and entered the establishment to enjoy a fine dinner by the fire and a comfortable bed. Meanwhile the youth rolled his eyes and… then went out to play cards in a nearby den.

The man could not sleep somehow, despite the silk sheets, as he kept having nightmares of his donkey chained up without water or food, lying on the cold stone. The vision wouldn’t leave him and so he got up in his dressing gown, walked down the steps to the stable and there! His donkey was in exactly the condition he’d imagined – cold, hungry and dying of thirst.
Title: Trust God But Tie Your Camel - Sufi story
Post by: Hari on August 09, 2013, 03:58:53 PM
There was once a man who was on his way back home from market with his camel and, as he’d had a good day, he decided to stop at a mosque along the road and offer his thanks to God.

He left his camel outside and went in with his prayer mat and spent several hours offering thanks to Allah, praying and promising that he’d be a good Muslim in the future, help the poor and be an upstanding pillar of his community.

When he emerged it was already dark and lo and behold – his camel was gone!
He immediately flew into a violent temper and shook his fist at the sky, yelling:
“You traitor, Allah! How could You do this to me? I put all my trust in You and then You go and stab me in the back like this!”

A passing sufi dervish heard the man yelling and chuckled to himself.

“Listen,” he said, “Trust God but, you know, tie up your camel.”
Title: A letter from God
Post by: Hari on August 10, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
Good morning,

As you got up I watched and hoped you would talk
to me. Just a few words, such as thanking me for
something good in your life yesterday or last
week, would do.

But I noticed you were busy selecting the right
clothes for work. I waited again to hear from you.
When you ran around the house collecting papers,
I knew there would be a few minutes to stop and
say hello, but you never slowed down.

I wanted to tell you that I could help you
accomplish more than you ever dreamed possible
if you would just spend some of each day with me.
At one point you waited fifteen minutes in a chair
with nothing to do. I waited to hear from you.

Then I saw you spring to your feet; I thought
you wanted to talk to me, but you ran to the
phone and called a friend. I watched as off
to work you went and waited patiently all day
long to hear from you. With all your activities
you were too busy to talk with me.

I noticed at lunch you looked around; maybe you
just felt embarrassed to talk to me. You glanced
three tables over and noticed some of your friends
talking to me before they ate, but you wouldn't.

There was still more time left, and I hoped that we
would talk. You went home and had many things to do.
After they were done, you turned on the TV; just
about anything goes there and you spend many hours
watching. I waited as you continued watching TV and
ate your meal but again you wouldn't talk to me.

At bedtime you were totally tired. After you said
good night to your family you plopped into bed and
fell asleep. I had so much wanted to be part of your
day. We could have had so much fun and accomplished
so much together.

I love you so much that I wait everyday for a thought,
prayer or thanks. Well, maybe tomorrow! I'll be waiting.

Your Friend,

God
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on August 10, 2013, 10:46:28 AM
"You too must force your demand on the Divine Mother. She will come to you without fail. I once said the same thing to some Sikhs when they visited the temple at Dakshineswar. We were conversing in front of the Kali temple. They said, 'God is compassionate.' 'Why compassionate?' I asked. They said, 'Why, revered sir, He constantly looks after us, gives us righteousness and wealth, and provides us with our food.' 'Suppose', I said, 'a man has children. Who will look after them and provide them with food-their own father, or a man from another village?'
SUB-JUDGE: "Is not God, then, compassionate, sir?"
MASTER: "Why should you think that? I just made a remark. What I mean to say is that God is our very own. We can exert force on Him. With one's own people one can even go so far as to say, 'You rascal! Won't you give it to me?'

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on August 10, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
"You too must force your demand on the Divine Mother. She will come to you without fail.

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

This is truly a very important revelation, This is very essential along with all our sadhanas. Very easy way to get connected to the Bhava mandalam and plead with the Mother, who else do we have to resort to! It is only the Mother who accepts us as we are, with all our faults and kleshams complaints. Mother is the one who will fight the cause of Her child even if the child has committed a heinous offence.

(http://www.vishwaamara.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Special-Days.jpg)

Salutations to the Divine Mother
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 10, 2013, 11:12:40 AM
Dear Ravi, Nagaraj,

Yes.

Sri Bhagavan tells Arunachala: (AAMM)

varumbadi sol ilai vanthen padi aLa
varunthidu un thalai vidhi Arunachala!

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 10, 2013, 11:26:18 AM
Very profound excerpt, Sri Ravi! Thank you!
Sri Nagaraj, yes, I more and more realize how essential is this.
Title: Cherokee's (American Indians) story about creation of the world
Post by: Hari on August 10, 2013, 11:51:23 AM
The earth is a great island floating in a sea of water, and suspended at each of the four cardinal points by a cord hanging down from the sky vault, which is of solid rock. When the world grows old and worn out, the people will die and the cords will break and let the earth sink down into the ocean, and all will be water again. The Indians are afraid of this.

When all was water, the animals were above in Gälûñ'lätï, beyond the arch; but it was very much crowded, and they were wanting more room. They wondered what was below the water, and at last Dâyuni'sï, "Beaver's Grandchild," the little Water-beetle, offered to go and see if it could learn. It darted in every direction over the surface of the water, but could find no firm place to rest. Then it dived to the bottom and came up with some soft mud, which began to grow and spread on every side until it became the island which we call the earth. It was afterward fastened to the sky with four cords, but no one remembers who did this.

At first the earth was flat and very soft and wet. The animals were anxious to get down, and sent out different birds to see if it was yet dry, but they found no place to alight and came back again to Gälûñ'lätï. At last it seemed to be time, and they sent out the Buzzard and told him to go and make ready for them. This was the Great Buzzard, the father of all the buzzards we see now. He flew all over the earth, low down near the ground, and it was still soft. When he reached the Cherokee country, he was very tired, and his wings began to flap and strike the ground, and wherever they struck the earth there was a valley, and where they turned up again there was a mountain. When the animals above saw this, they were afraid that the whole world would be mountains, so they called him back, but the Cherokee country remains full of mountains to this day.

When the earth was dry and the animals came down, it was still dark, so they got the sun and set it in a track to go every day across the island from east to west, just overhead. It was too hot this way, and Tsiska'gïlï', the Red Crawfish, had his shell scorched a bright red, so that his meat was spoiled; and the Cherokee do not eat it. The conjurers put the sun another hand-breadth higher in the air, but it was still too hot. They raised it another time, and another, until it was seven handbreadths high and just under the sky arch. Then it was right, and they left it so. This is why the conjurers call the highest place Gûlkwâ'gine Di'gälûñ'lätiyûñ', "the seventh height," because it is seven hand-breadths above the earth. Every day the sun goes along under this arch, and returns at night on the upper side to the starting place.

There is another world under this, and it is like ours in everything--animals, plants, and people--save that the seasons are different. The streams that come down from the mountains are the trails by which we reach this underworld, and the springs at their heads are the doorways by which we enter, it, but to do this one must fast and, go to water and have one of the underground people for a guide. We know that the seasons in the underworld are different from ours, because the water in the springs is always warmer in winter and cooler in summer than the outer air.

When the animals and plants were first made--we do not know by whom--they were told to watch and keep awake for seven nights, just as young men now fast and keep awake when they pray to their medicine. They tried to do this, and nearly all were awake through the first night, but the next night several dropped off to sleep, and the third night others were asleep, and then others, until, on the seventh night, of all the animals only the owl, the panther, and one or two more were still awake. To these were given the power to see and to go about in the dark, and to make prey of the birds and animals which must sleep at night. Of the trees only the cedar, the pine, the spruce, the holly, and the laurel were awake to the end, and to them it was given to be always green and to be greatest for medicine, but to the others it was said: "Because you have not endured to the end you shall lose your, hair every winter."

Men came after the animals and plants. At first there were only a brother and sister until he struck her with a fish and told her to multiply, and so it was. In seven days a child was born to her, and thereafter every seven days another, and they increased very fast until there was danger that the world could not keep them. Then it was made that a woman should have only one child in a year, and it has been so ever since.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 10, 2013, 04:57:02 PM
"A knife of the keenest steel requires the whetstone, and the wisest man needs advice."
[Zoroaster]
Title: Exemplary advaitic analysis
Post by: Hari on August 10, 2013, 09:07:47 PM
Even if we accept that there is objective reality we must conclude that we don't know it because what we perceived is filtered by our sense organs. For example in nature there are sound waves which do not exist for us because we cannot hear them (ultra- and infrasounds). What we see is just reflection of the light from the so called external objects. If all sense organs stop functioning where is the world? We will breathe only and that will keep our ego identity. If we stop breathing, prana leave the body and thinking also stops. Where is the world-reality then?

Even if we accept that the objects are exactly as they seem another problem arises. If an object is material then what it is made of. By reduction we go to more and more abstract notions and finally we must conclude that it is formed by some energy or consciousness but how a nonmaterial consciousness or energy to create the solid matter? It is unexplainable for the scientists but they agree with this conclusion. And finally and most difficult is to realize or at least accept that this consciousness is withing you and is not somewhere outside. Actually this is also wrong notion because there is no inside also. It only points to the truth that nothing is independent on the seer. But the seer is also unreal. So the final conclusion is that all talks and analyses are meaningless. Because there is nothing to be analyzed actually.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 02:39:36 AM
"The Tao is something blurred and indistinct.
How indistinct! How blurred!
Yet within It are images.
How blurred! How indistinct!
Yet within It are things.
How dim! How confused!
Yet within It is a mental power.
Because this power is most true,
within It there is confidence."
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 03:04:24 AM
"Frodo gave a cry, and there he was, fallen upon his knees at the chasm's edge. But Gollum, dancing like a mad thing, held aloft the ring, a finger still thrust within its circle."
[J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Return of the King"]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 11, 2013, 03:15:56 AM
This is how ego looks

(http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-lord-of-the-rings-113105_1280_1024.jpg)

This is our Sadguru.

(http://nighthawknews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/iii-gandalf.jpg)

:)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 03:19:34 AM
Yes, I like the analogy! :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 03:22:37 AM
"I'm simply saying that there is a way to be sane. I'm saying that you can get rid of all this insanity created by the past in you. Just by being a simple witness of your thought processes.

It is simply sitting silently, witnessing the thoughts, passing before you. Just witnessing, not interfering not even judging, because the moment you judge you have lost the pure witness. The moment you say “this is good, this is bad,” you have already jumped onto the thought process.

It takes a little time to create a gap between the witness and the mind. Once the gap is there, you are in for a great suprise, that you are not the mind, that you are the witness, A watcher.

And this process of watching is the very alchemy of real religion. Because as you become more and more deeply rooted in witnessing, thoughts start disappearing. You are, but the mind is utterly empty.

That’s the moment of enlightenment. That is the moment that you become for the first time an unconditioned, sane, really free human being."
[Osho]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 04:17:44 AM
"This realization was the crux of the Buddha’s experience of awakening (bodhi) which dawned upon himone night, as he sat under the celebrated Bo Tree at Gaya, after seven years of meditation in the forests.From the standpoint of Zen, this experience is theessential content of Buddhism, and the verbaldoctrine is quite secondary to the wordless transmission of the experience itself from generation togeneration. For seven years Gautama had struggled by the traditional means of yoga and tapas,contemplation and ascesis, to penetrate the cause of man’s enslavement to maya, to find release fromthe vicious circle of clinging-to-life (trishna) which is like trying to make the hand grasp itself. All hisefforts had been in vain. The eternal atman, the real Self, was not to be found. However much heconcentrated upon his own mind to find its root and ground, he found only his own effort toconcentrate. The evening before his awakening he simply 'gave up,' relaxed his ascetic diet, and atesome nourishing food. Thereupon he felt at once that a profound change was coming over him. He satbeneath the tree, vowing never to rise until he had attained the supreme awakening, and-according to atradition-sat all through the night until the first glimpse of the morning star suddenly provoked a state of perfect clarity and understanding. This was anuttara samyak sambodhi, 'unexcelled, completeawakening,' liberation from maya and from the everlasting round of birth-and-death (samsara), whichgoes on and on for as long as a mantries in any way whatsoever to grasp at his own life. Yet the actual content of this experience was never and could never be put in words. For the words are frame of Maya, the meshes of Its net and the experience is of the water which slips through. Thus so far as words are concerned the most that may be said of this experience are the words attributed to the Buddha in the Vajracchedika:
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Just so, Shubhuti, I obtained not the least thing from unexcelled, complete awakening, and for this very reason it is called "unexcelled, complete awakening
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[Alan Watts, "The way of Zen"]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 11:40:49 AM
"We shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that holds whatever we want."
[Lao Tzu]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 12:01:24 PM
"You have plenty of courage, I am sure," answered Oz. "All you need is confidence in yourself. There is no living thing that is not afraid when it faces danger. The true courage is in facing danger when you are afraid, and that kind of courage you have in plenty."
[L. Frank Baum, "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"]
Title: 8 limbs of yoga
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 12:52:37 PM
In brief the eight limbs, or steps to yoga, are as follows:

Yama :  Universal morality
Niyama :  Personal observances
Asanas :  Body postures
Pranayama :  Breathing exercises, and control of prana
Pratyahara :  Control of the senses
Dharana :  Concentration and cultivating inner perceptual awareness
Dhyana :  Devotion, Meditation on the Divine
Samadhi :  Union with the Divine

I. Yamas (Universal Morality)

        1. Ahimsa – Compassion for all living things
        The word ahimsa literally mean not to injure or show cruelty to any creature or any person in any way whatsoever. Ahimsa is, however, more than just lack of violence as adapted in yoga. It means kindness, friendliness, and thoughtful consideration of other people and things. It also has to do with our duties and responsibilities too. Ahimsa implies that in every situation we should adopt a considerate attitude and do no harm.

        2. Satya – Commitment to Truthfulness
        Satya means "to speak the truth," yet it is not always desirable to speak the truth on all occasions, for it could harm someone unnecessarily. We have to consider what we say, how we say it, and in what way it could affect others. If speaking the truth has negative consequences for another, then it is better to say nothing. Satya should never come into conflict with our efforts to behave with ahimsa. This precept is based on the understanding that honest communication and action form the bedrock of any healthy relationship, community, or government, and that deliberate deception, exaggerations, and mistruths harm others.   

        3. Asteya - Non-stealing
        Steya means "to steal"; asteya is the opposite-to take nothing that does not belong to us. This also means that if we are in a situation where someone entrusts something to us or confides in us, we do not take advantage of him or her. Non-stealing includes not only taking what belongs to another without permission, but also using something for a different purpose to that intended, or beyond the time permitted by its owner. The practice of asteya implies not taking anything that has not been freely given. This includes fostering a consciousness of how we ask for others’ time for inconsiderate behavior demanding another’s attention when not freely given is, in effect, stealing.

        4. Brahmacharya - Sense control
        Brahmacharya is used mostly in the sense of abstinence, particularly in relationship to sexual activity. Brahmacharya suggests that we should form relationships that foster our understanding of the highest truths. Brahmacharya does not necessarily imply celibacy. Rather, it means responsible behavior with respect to our goal of moving toward the truth. Practicing brahmacharya means that we use our sexual energy to regenerate our connection to our spiritual self. It also means that we don’t use this energy in any way that might harm others.

        5. Aparigraha - Neutralizing the desire to acquire and hoard wealth
        Aparigraha means to take only what is necessary, and not to take advantage of a situation or act greedy. We should only take what we have earned; if we take more, we are exploiting someone else. The yogi feels that the collection or hoarding of things implies a lack of faith in God and in himself to provide for his future.v Aparigraha also implies letting go of our attachments to things and an understanding that impermanence and change are the only constants.

       The Yoga Sutra describes what happens when these five behaviors outlined above become part of a person's daily life. Thus, the yamas are the moral virtues which, if attended to, purify human nature and contribute to health and happiness of society.

II. Niyama (Personal Observances)

       Niyama means "rules" or "laws."  These are the rules prescribed for personal observance. Like the yamas, the five niyamas are not exercises or actions to be simply studied. They represent far more than an attitude. Compared with the yamas, the niyamas are more intimate and personal. They refer to the attitude we adopt toward ourselves as we create a code for living soulfully

        1. Sauca - Purity
        The first niyama is sauca, meaning purity and cleanliness. Sauca has both an inner and an outer aspect. Outer cleanliness simply means keeping ourselves clean. Inner cleanliness has as much to do with the healthy, free functioning of our bodily organs as with the clarity of our mind. Practicing asanas or pranayama are essential means for attending to this inner sauca. Asanas tones the entire body and removes toxins while pranayama cleanses our lungs, oxygenates our blood and purifies our nerves. "But more important than the physical cleansing of the body is the cleansing of the mind of its disturbing emotions like hatred, passion, anger, lust, greed, delusion and pride."

        2. Santosa - Contentment
        Another niyama is santosa, modesty and the feeling of being content with what we have. To be at peace within and content with one's lifestyle finding contentment even while experiencing life’s difficulties for life becomes a process of growth through all kinds of circumstances. We should accept that there is a purpose for everything - yoga calls it karma – and we cultivate contentment 'to accept what happens'. It means being happy with what we have rather than being unhappy about what we don't have.

        3. Tapas – Disciplined use of our energy
        Tapas refers to the activity of keeping the body fit or to confront and handle the inner urges without outer show. Literally it means to heat the body and, by so doing, to cleanse it. Behind the notion of tapas lies the idea we can direct our energy to enthusiastically engage life and achieve our ultimate goal of creating union with the Divine. Tapas helps us burn up all the desires that stand in our way of this goal.  Another form of tapas is paying attention to what we eat. Attention to body posture, attention to eating habits, attention to breathing patterns - these are all tapas.

        4. Svadhyaya – Self study
        The fourth niyama is svadhyaya. Sva means "self' adhyaya means "inquiry" or "examination". Any activity that cultivates self-reflective consciousness can be considered svadhyaya. It means to intentionally find self-awareness in all our activities and efforts, even to the point of welcoming and accepting our limitations. It teaches us to be centered and non-reactive to the dualities, to burn out unwanted and self-destructive tendencies.

        5. Isvarapranidhana - Celebration of the Spiritual
        Isvarapranidhana means "to lay all your actions at the feet of God." It is the contemplation on God (Isvara) in order to become attuned to god and god's will. It is the recognition that the spiritual suffuses everything and through our attention and care we can attune ourselves with our role as part of the Creator. The practice requires that we set aside some time each day to recognize that there is some omnipresent force larger than ourselves that is guiding and directing the course of our lives.

III. Asanas (Body postures)

       Asana is the practice of physical postures. It is the most commonly known aspect of yoga for those unfamiliar with the other seven limbs of Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra. The practice of moving the body into postures has widespread benefits; of these the most underlying are improved health, strength, balance and flexibility. On a deeper level the practice of asana, which means "staying" or "abiding" in Sanskrit, is used as a tool to calm the mind and move into the inner essence of being. The challenge of poses offers the practitioner the opportunity to explore and control all aspects of their emotions, concentration, intent, faith, and unity between the physical and the ethereal body. Indeed, using asanas to challenge and open the physical body acts as a binding agent to bring one in harmony with all the unseen elements of their being, the forces that shape our lives through our responses to the physical world. Asana then becomes a way of exploring our mental attitudes and strengthening our will as we learn to release and move into the state of grace that comes from creating balance between our material world and spiritual experience.

        As one practices asana it fosters a quieting of the mind, thus it becomes both a preparation for meditation and a meditation sufficient in and of itself. Releasing to the flow and inner strength that one develops brings about a profound grounding spirituality in the body. The physicality of the yoga postures becomes a vehicle to expand the consciousness that pervades our every aspect of our body. The key to fostering this expansion of awareness and consciousness begins with the control of breath, the fourth limb – Pranayama. Patanjali suggests that the asana and the pranayama practices will bring about the desired state of health; the control of breath and bodily posture will harmonize the flow of energy in the organism, thus creating a fertile field for the evolution of the spirit. "This down-to-earth, flesh-and-bones practice is simply one of the most direct and expedient ways to meet yourself. … This limb of yoga practice reattaches us to our body. In reattaching ourselves to our bodies we reattach ourselves to the responsibility of living a life guided by the undeniable wisdom of our body."
To this B.K.S. Iyengar adds: "The needs of the body are the needs of the divine spirit which lives through the body. The yogi does not look heaven-ward to find God for he know that He is within."ix

IV. Pranayama (Breath Control)

       Pranayama is the measuring, control, and directing of the breath. Pranayama controls the energy (prana) within the organism, in order to restore and maintain health and to promote evolution. When the in-flowing breath is neutralized or joined with the out-flowing breath, then perfect relaxation and balance of body activities are realized. In yoga, we are concerned with balancing the flows of vital forces, then directing them inward to the chakra system and upward to the crown chakra.

        Pranayama, or breathing technique, is very important in yoga. It goes hand in hand with the asana or pose. In the Yoga Sutra, the practices of pranayama and asana are considered to be the highest form of purification and self discipline for the mind and the body, respectively. The practices produce the actual physical sensation of heat, called tapas, or the inner fire of purification. It is taught that this heat is part of the process of purifying the nadis, or subtle nerve channels of the body. This allows a more healthful state to be experienced and allows the mind to become more calm. As the yogi follows the proper rhythmic patterns of slow deep breathing "the patterns strengthen the respiratory system, soothe the nervous system and reduce craving. As desires and cravings diminish, the mind is set free and becomes a fit vehicle for concentration."

V. Pratyahara (Control of the Senses)

       Pratyahara means drawing back or retreat. The word ahara means "nourishment"; pratyahara translates as "to withdraw oneself from that which nourishes the senses." In yoga, the term pratyahara implies withdrawal of the senses from attachment to external objects. It can then be seen as the practice of non-attachment to sensorial distractions as we constantly return to the path of self realization and achievement of internal peace. It means our senses stop living off the things that stimulate; the senses no longer depend on these stimulants and are not fed by them any more.

       In pratyahara we sever this link between mind and senses, and the senses withdraw. When the senses are no longer tied to external sources, the result is restraint or pratyahara. Now that the vital forces are flowing back to the Source within, one can concentrate without being distracted by externals or the temptation to cognize externals.

       Pratyahara occurs almost automatically when we meditate because we are so absorbed in the object of meditation. Precisely because the mind is so focused, the senses follow it; it is not happening the other way around.

       No longer functioning in their usual manner, the senses become extraordinarily sharp. Under normal circumstances the senses become our masters rather than being our servants. The senses entice us to develop cravings for all sorts of things. In pratyahara the opposite occurs: when we have to eat we eat, but not because we have a craving for food. In pratyahara we try to put the senses in their proper place, but not cut them out of our actions entirely.

       Much of our emotional imbalance are our own creation. A person who is influenced by outside events and sensations can never achieve the inner peace and tranquility. This is because he or she will waste much mental and physical energy in trying to suppress unwanted sensations and to heighten other sensations. This will eventually result in a physical or mental imbalance, and will, in most instances, result in illness.

       Patanjali says that the above process is at the root of human unhappiness and uneasiness. When people seek out yoga, hoping to find that inner peace which is so evasive, they find that it was theirs all along. In a sense, yoga is nothing more than a process which enables us to stop and look at the processes of our own minds; only in this way can we understand the nature of happiness and unhappiness, and thus transcend them both.

VI. Dharana (Concentration and cultivating inner perceptual awareness)

       Dharana means "immovable concentration of the mind". The essential idea is to hold the concentration or focus of attention in one direction.  "When the body has been tempered by asanas, when the mind has been refined by the fire of pranayama and when the senses have been brought under control by pratyahara, the sadhaka (seeker) reaches the sixth stage, dharana. Here he is concentrated wholly on a single point or on a task in which he is completely engrossed. The mind has to be stilled in order to achieve this state of complete absorption."

       In dharana we create the conditions for the mind to focus its attention in one direction instead of going out in many different directions. Deep contemplation and reflection can create the right conditions, and the focus on this one point that we have chosen becomes more intense. We encourage one particular activity of the mind and, the more intense it becomes, the more the other activities of the mind fall away.

       The objective in dharana is to steady the mind by focusing its attention upon some stable entity. The particular object selected has nothing to do with the general purpose, which is to stop the mind from wandering -through memories, dreams, or reflective thought-by deliberately holding it single-mindedly upon some apparently static object. B.K.S. Iyengar states that the objective is to achieve the mental state where the mind, intellect, and ego are "all restrained and all these faculties are offered to the Lord for His use and in His service. Here there is no feeling of 'I' and 'mine'."

       When the mind has become purified by yoga practices, it becomes able to focus efficiently on one subject or point of experience. Now we can unleash the great potential for inner healing.

VII. Dhyana (Devotion , Meditation on the Divine)

       Dhyana means worship, or profound and abstract religious meditation. It is perfect contemplation. It involves concentration upon a point of focus with the intention of knowing the truth about it. The concept holds that when one focuses their mind in concentration on an object the mind is transformed into the shape of the object. Hence, when one focuses on the divine they become more reflective of it and they know their true nature. "His body, breath, senses, mind, reason and ego are all integrated in the object of his contemplation – the Universal Spirit."

       During dhyana, the consciousness is further unified by combining clear insights into distinctions between objects and between the subtle layers of perception. "We learn to differentiate between the mind of the perceiver, the means of perception, and the objects perceived, between words, their meanings, and ideas, and between all the levels of evolution of nature."

       As we fine-tune our concentration and become more aware of the nature of reality we perceive that the world is unreal. "The only reality is the universal self, or God, which is veiled by Maya (the illusory power). As the veils are lifted, the mind becomes clearer. Unhappiness and fear – even the fear of death – vanishes. This state of freedom, or Moksha, is the goal of Yoga. It can be reached by constant enquiry into the nature of things." Meditation becomes our tool to see things clearly and perceive reality beyond the illusions that cloud our mind.


VIII. Samadhi (Union with the Divine)

       The final step in the eight-fold path of Yoga is the attainment of Samadhi. Samadhi means "to bring together, to merge." In the state of samadhi the body and senses are at rest, as if asleep, yet the faculty of mind and reason are alert, as if awake; one goes beyond consciousness. During samadhi, we realize what it is to be an identity without differences, and how a liberated soul can enjoy pure awareness of this pure identity. The conscious mind drops back into that unconscious oblivion from which it first emerged.

       Thus, samadhi refers to union or true Yoga. There is an ending to the separation that is created by the "I" and "mine" of our illusory perceptions of reality. The mind does not distinguish between self and non-self, or between the object contemplated and the process of contemplation. The mind and the intellect have stopped and there is only the experience of consciousness, truth and unutterable joy.

       The achievement of samadhi is a difficult task. For this reason the Yoga Sutra suggests the practice of asanas and pranayama as preparation for dharana, because these influence mental activities and create space in the crowded schedule of the mind. Once dharana has occurred, dhyana and samadhi can follow.

       These eight steps of yoga indicate a logical pathway that leads to the attainment of physical, ethical, emotional, and psycho-spiritual health. Yoga does not seek to change the individual; rather, it allows the natural state of total health and integration in each of us to become a reality.

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 01:44:23 PM
"You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."
[Wayne Gretzky]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 03:21:16 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
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O! Wanderers in the shadowed land


O! Wanderers in the shadowed land
despair not! For though dark they stand,
all woods there be must end at last,
and see the open sun go past:
the setting sun, the rising sun,
the day's end, or the day begun.
For east or west all woods must fail...

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 03:41:24 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 04:36:18 PM
"One has to pay dearly for immortality; one has to die several times while one is still alive."
[Friedrich Nietzsche]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 08:06:26 PM
"Why is a soap bubble round? Because it is the most energy efficient configuration. Similarly, on your planet I look like you; on K-PAX I look like a K-Paxian."
[Prot, the alien form "K-pax" movie]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
"Discover all that you are not — body, feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that — nothing, concrete or abstract, which you perceive can be you. The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you perceive."
[Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 12, 2013, 03:10:27 PM
15. Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17. Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
[Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew, chapter 7]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 12, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
True and False Disciples

21. Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me on that day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name and in Your name drive out demons and in Your name perform many miracles?"
23. Then I will tell them plainly, "I never knew you. Away from Me, you evildoers!"
[Jesus Christ, Matthew, Chapter 7]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 15, 2013, 08:41:05 PM
Questioner: Amma, what is the difference between love and surrender?
Amma: Love is conditional. Surrender is unconditional.
Questioner: What does this mean?
Amma: In love, there is the lover and the beloved, disciple and Master, devotee and God. But in surrender, the two disappear. The Master alone is; God alone is.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 15, 2013, 09:04:24 PM
"Get rid of all ideas about yourself, even of the idea that you are God. No self-definition is valid."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 11:38:05 AM
"Even to talk of re-uniting the person with the Self is not right, because there is no person,  only a mental picture given a false reality by conviction. Nothing was divided and there is nothing to unite."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 11:39:38 AM
"Questions are always about things that you don't know and will be endless unless you find out who the questioner is. Though the things about which the questions are asked are unknown, there can be no doubt that a questioner exists to ask the questions, and if you ask who he is, all doubts will be set at rest."
[Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 11:41:25 AM
"There can be progress in the preparation (sadhana). Realization is sudden. The fruit ripens slowly, but falls suddenly and without return."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 11:57:30 AM
D.: If 'I' also be an illusion, who then casts off the illusion?

M.: The 'I' casts off the illusion of 'I' and yet remains as 'I'. Such is the paradox of Self-Realisation. The realised do not see any contradiction in it. Take the case of bhakti - I approach Iswara and pray to be absorbed in Him. I then surrender myself in faith and by concentration. What remains afterwards? In place of the original 'I', perfect self-surrender leaves a residuum of God in which the 'I' is lost. This is the highest form of devotion (parabhakti), prapatti, surrender or the height of vairagya. You give up this and that of 'my' possessions. If you give up 'I' and 'mine' instead, all are given up at a stroke. The very seed of possession is lost. Thus the evil is nipped in the bud or crushed in the germ itself. Dispassion (vairagya) must be very strong to do this. Eagerness to do it must be equal to that of a man kept under water trying to rise up to the surface for his life.

D.: Cannot this trouble and difficulty be lessened with the aid of a Master or an Ishta Devata (God chosen for worship)? Cannot they give the power to see our Self as it is - to change us into themselves - to take us into Self-Realisation?

M.: Ishta Devata and Guru are aids - very powerful aids on this path. But an aid to be effective requires your effort also. Your effort is a sine qua non. It is you who should see the sun. Can spectacles and the sun see for you? You yourself have to see your true nature. Not much aid is required for doing it!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 12:33:15 PM
"All metaphysical discussion is profitless unless it causes us to seek within the Self for the true reality. All controversies about creation, the nature of the universe, evolution, the purpose of God, etc., are useless. They are not conducive to our true happiness. People try to find out about things which are outside of them before they try to find out "Who am I?" Only by the latter means can happiness be gained."
[Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 02:13:23 PM
"There is only one mistake you are making: you take the inner for the outer, and the outer for the inner. What is in you, you take to be outside you, and what is outside you take to be in you. The mind and feelings are external, but you take them to be intimate. You believe the world to be objective, while it is entirely a projection of your psyche. That is the basic confusion."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 03:55:55 PM
"You need not worry about your worries. Just be. Do not try to be quiet; do not make 'being quiet' into a task to be performed. Don't be restless about 'being quiet', miserable about 'being happy'. Just be aware that you are and remain aware - don't say: 'yes, I am; what next?' There is no 'next' in 'I am'. It is a timeless state."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:00:27 PM
"We must learn how to turn the eyes inwards. The eagerness of the eyes to see outwards should be restricted. When you walk in a busy street, it is difficult to hear the man speak with whom you are walking, because of the noise of the passing carriages. He cannot hear you because there is so much noise. The mind is going outwards, and you cannot hear the man who is next to you. In the same way, this world around us is making such a noise that it draws the mind outwards. How can we see the Self? This going outwards must be stopped. That is what is meant by turning the eyes inwards, and then alone the glory of the Lord within will be seen."
[Swami Vivekananda]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:04:36 PM
"Vehemently make up your mind that you're going to take complete control of yourself. Start from now. Say to yourself "I will never again allow my mind to rule me. I will never again allow my mind to control me. From this moment on, I am in charge", and make it your business to catch yourself when your mind begins to think. Grab it at the thought, before it starts to mix with your emotions."
[Robert Adams]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:10:46 PM
"Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth."

"This is the real secret of life - to be completely engaged with what you are doing in the here and now. And instead of calling it work, realize it is play."

"You are an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.
[Alan Wilson Watts]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
"The garden of the world has no limits, except in your mind."
[Rumi]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:21:56 PM
"Whenever someone criticizes you, listen to it. If the criticism has some substance, take it. If it is coming out of jealously, be compassionate towards them. That is their problem; they are working out their own jealously. They are pouring out their frustration on you. And in some sense, you are just helping them to empty their mind of frustration."
[Sri Sri Ravi Shankar]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:33:54 PM
"The only thing that you should do, or must do, is not to be in conflict with anything. Do not be in conflict with anyone or anything. When you're not in conflict with anything, the mind begins to surrender itself, and goes back into the heart, and you become your Self. This is the easiest thing that you ever had to do. It's simplicity itself. It's simplicity itself because there's nothing you have to do. There's nothing you have to become. There's no one you have to change. You are that."
[Robert Adams]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
"The rubber in the process of erasing gets erased itself."
[Sri Nochur Venkataraman]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:50:11 PM
"Just as a man ignores the fact that he holds Chintamani (the celestial gem capable of fulfilling one's desires) in his hands, and goes begging food, so also people who are ignorant of the fount of bliss within themselves, waste their lives seeking external pleasures!"
[from 'Tripura Rahasya', chapter XVII]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 04:54:36 PM
"You cannot find the Mother until the faith awakens in you that whatever the Mother does is all for the best of Her child."
[Sri Anandamayi Ma]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 10:20:13 PM
"Without mud, you cannot have a lotus flower. Without suffering, you have no ways in order to learn how to be understanding and compassionate. Happiness is the lotus flower, and the suffering is the mud. So the practice is how to make use of the suffering, make use of the mud, to create the flower, the happiness, and this is possible."
[Thich Nhat Hanh]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 10:25:56 PM
Question: Between the spirit and the body, is it love that provides the bridge?
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: What else? Mind creates the abyss, the heart crosses it.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 16, 2013, 11:00:34 PM
"As long as you have the idea of influencing events, liberation is not for you: The very notion of doership, of being a cause, is bondage."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 01:39:51 PM
Questioner: What is this big talk about elimination of the self? How can the self eliminate itself? What kind of metaphysical acrobatics can lead to the disappearance of the acrobat? In the end he will reappear, mightily proud of his disappearing.

Nisargadatta Maharaj: You need not chase the 'I am' to kill it. You cannot. All you need is a sincere longing for reality. We call it atma-bhakti, the love of the Supreme: or moksha-sankalpa, the determination to be free from the false. Without love, and will inspired by love, no-thing can be done. Merely talking about Reality without doing anything about it is self-defeating. There must be love in the relation between the person who says 'I am' and the observer of that 'I am'. As long as the observer, the inner self, the 'higher' self, considers himself apart from the observed, the 'lower' self, despises it and condemns it, the situation is hopeless. It is only when the observer (vyakta) accepts the person (vyakti) as a projection or manifestation of himself, and, so to say, takes the self into the Self, the duality of 'I' and 'this' goes and in the identity of the outer and the inner the Supreme Reality manifests itself. This union of the seer and the seen happens when the seer
becomes conscious of himself as the seer; he is not merely interested in the seen, which he is anyhow, but also interested in being interested, giving attention to attention, aware of being aware. Affectionate awareness is the crucial factor that brings Reality into focus.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 01:44:08 PM
"Love is the satguru. Love is the teacher. Love, finally, if you're willing to surrender to it, rather than to try and control it, love teaches you who you are."
[Gangaji]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 02:49:05 PM
"The most important aspect of love is not in giving or the receiving: it's in the being. When I need love from others, or need to give love to others, I'm caught in an unstable situation. Being love, rather than giving or taking love, is the only thing that provides stability."
[Ram Dass]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 02:57:16 PM
"As pure water poured into pure water becomes the very same, so does the Self of the illumined man or woman verily become one with the Godhead."
[Katha Upanishad]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 03:38:25 PM
"It will come all right in the end."
[Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 10:47:27 PM
"All waiting is futile. To depend on time to solve our problems is self-delusion. The future, left to itself merely repeats the past. Change can only happen now, never in the future."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 10:49:12 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 10:59:22 PM
"Nothings stops you from being a Jnani here and now, except fear.  You are afraid of being impersonal, of impersonal being. It is all quite simple. Turn away from your desires and fears and from the thoughts they create and you are at once in your natural state."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 11:00:53 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 11:05:07 PM
"As a child, you began gathering knowledge and when you became very old, you forgot everything. So all that objective knowledge was of no use. Now, I am asking, what are you at the moment? Whatever you have gathered as your identity or your form, you are in the process of losing. So what then is your real identity?"
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 11:12:12 PM
"As long as you are contaminated with notions of me or mine (e.g., my home, my body, my mind, my intellect), the Self will not be found, for it lies beyond cognition and cannot be realized as 'my Self'. Retire into solitude, analyze and see what those things are which are cognized as mine; discard them all and transcending them, look for the real Self."
[Tripura Rahasya, Chapter IX, v. 13-14]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2013, 11:22:45 PM
"Peace prevails only in the transcendental state, which is the true state of the Self."
[Sri Ramana Maharshi]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 12:30:45 AM
"Who is the mind actually speaking to? You assume it is to you, the Self, but is it only to your self-image, the ego which you imagine is your true Self. But are you ready and willing to look at this? There is a reluctance to question this, because it feels like gambling with everything you believe you have and are. We want to feel ok, but not k.o. You want to feel 'okay' with your projections rather than having them 'knocked out!' My encouragement to you is to stop protecting that which is suffocating your true freedom."
[Mooji]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
"A relationship with a true Master or Guru is not an easy one, but every day it becomes sweeter and more beautiful as your heart and mind open up to truth. I remember when I met my Master, Papaji, there was also some fear coming up inside me, but I knew it was a healthy kind of fear.  There is always a part of the mind that wants to tame people or win them over so they don't threaten you. You play to be nice, sexy, clever or entertaining. You try everything to be loved and accepted. We are both attracted to and intimidated by the sense of 'other' but the Master is not an 'other', He is the pure reflection of one's own real being. He doesn't allow any room for your mind-play. Suddenly, in His presence, you feel like you are the 'other' — a stranger to what is natural and true. The shallowness of ego comes up involuntarily and you will feel out of your depth. In that moment, the pain of not being who you truly are becomes unbearable. Now the old tricks, the old currency doesn't work here. It is like having a pocketful of Euros in the middle of the Sahara desert. There is no value for it here and something feels deeply uncomfortable. This, in fact, is the greatness of the real master. A defining moment: You must either run away with your loot of fool's gold or choose freedom. A true seeker feels that deep energetic discomfort within, but recognizes it to be a great opportunity, a chance for freedom from the tyranny of the false. Though they may be trembling in their socks, they say 'yes' with trust and courage and enter the Master’s presence and Grace. There is nothing to be afraid of really. In fact, the master is not the cause of your discomfort. Such presence only exposes the disharmonies of the ego and invites the seeker to choose liberation."
[Mooji]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 04:56:34 PM
"Approaching the Self is like walking the razor's edge: two cannot go there. You cannot bring your mind nor even a thought. The only one who can help you is Self. Anything that touches a flame becomes the flame. Touch a Sage and you become a Sage. Knowing Self, you see only Self and this Self is your Guru. The Satguru is within, meditate only on That! The true Guru is Self. All else is pointing to Self. Eventually you have to get rid of the name and form of both Master and yourself. You have to reject the finger in order to see the moon. Where there is name and form there is falsehood. It is an impediment to freedom because nothing you see will give you freedom. When you are drowning hold only onto Self. Reach for anything else and you will die. Don't cling to anything made from the five elements. The Guru has no body, visible or invisible. Do not depend on any body. Bodies are just fingers pointing to the Truth! Reject the form of the Guru and only the Supreme is left."
[Sri H. W. L. Poonja (Papaji)]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
"If you want to make real progress, you must give up all idea of personal attainment. The ambitions of the so-called Yogis are preposterous. A man's desire for a woman is innocence itself compared to the lusting after an everlasting personal bliss. The mind is a cheat. The more pious it seems, the worse the betrayal."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
"At present you meekly accept whatever the mind dictates as your own. If the mind goes into silence, where and what are you?"
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 05:18:38 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 05:20:25 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 05:49:01 PM
"There are no great persons. Alexander the Great is a myth. Where is his greatness now? I don't hear of anyone having a relationship with Alexander the Great in the heart but there was one Man Who came riding on a donkey who, thousands of years later, no one can forget. We should really find out what the difference is…"
[Mooji]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 05:52:51 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 05:59:52 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 09:23:03 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 19, 2013, 09:40:51 PM
"When I flowed forth from God, all things declared: "He is a God!" Now this cannot make me blessed, for thereby I acknowledge myself a creature. But in the break-through, when I shall stand empty in the will of God, and empty of this God's will, and of all His works, and of God Himself - then I am more than all creatures, then I am neither God nor creature: I am what I was and what I shall remain, now and forevermore. Then I receive a thrust which raises me above all angels. In this thrust I become so rich that God cannot suffice me despite all that He is as God, despite all His godly works: for in this break-though I perceive that God and I are one. Then I am what I was, I grow neither less nor more, for I am an unmoved Mover that moves all things. Here God can find no place in man, for man through his poverty has won back that which he was eternally and ever more shall remain."
[Meister Eckhart]



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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2013, 02:45:00 PM
Someone enquired: Why is it said in scriptures that the Sage is like a child?
Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: A child and a Sage (Jnani) are similar in a way. Incidents interest  a child only so long as they last. It ceases to think of them after they  have passed away. So then, it is apparent that they do not leave any  impression on the child and it is not affected by them mentally. So it is with a Sage.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2013, 02:46:40 PM
"Your own being created me in your life  to remind you of who you truly are. Don't depend on me, use me."
[Mooji]


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Title: Dattatreya's Song of the Avadhut
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2013, 03:09:04 PM
Non-duality is taught by some;
some others teach duality.
They don't understand that the all-pervading Reality
is beyond both duality and non-duality.

There is no color or sound to the one Reality;
It has no qualities at all.
How can one even think or speak of That
Which is far beyond both mind and speech?

When you know all this universe of forms
to be as vacant as the sky,
then you'll know Brahman;
duality will forevermore cease to be.

To some, the Self appears as other;
to me, the Self is I.
Like undivided space, One alone exists.
How, then, could the subject and object of meditation be two?

Nothing of what I do or eat,
or give or take,
exists for me;
I'm Purity itself, beyond birth and death.

Know that the whole of the universe is without any form.
Know that the whole of the universe is forever unchanging.
Know that the whole of the universe is unstained by its contents.
Know that the whole of the universe is of the nature of God.

You are the ultimate Reality; have no doubt.
The Self is not something known by the mind;
the Self is the very one who knows!
How, then, could you think to know the Self?
[Dattatreya's Song of the Avadhut (1.36-42)]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2013, 03:27:19 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2013, 03:41:04 PM
"Free you are already. How could the free ever be bound? It is a lie. You were never bound. How could the unlimited ever be limited by anything? Infinite divided by infinite, added to infinite, multiplied by infinite remains infinite. You are infinite; God is infinite. You are all infinite. There cannot be two existences, only one. The Infinite can never be made finite. You are never bound. That is all. You are free already. You have reached the goal - all there is to reach. Never allow the mind to think that you have not reached the goal."
[Swami Vivekananda]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
A wife loves her husband not for his own sake, dear, but because the Self lives in him.
A husband loves his wife not for her own sake, dear, but because the Self lives in her.
Children are loved not for their own sake, dear, but because the Self lives in her.
Wealth is loved not for its own sake, but because the Self lives in it.
Brahmins are loved not for their own sake, but because the Self lives in them.
Kshatriyas are loved not for their own sake, but because the Self lives in them.
The universe is loved not for its own sake, but because the Self lives in it.
The Gods are loved not for their own sake, but because the Self lives in them.
Creatures are loved not for their own sake, but because the Self lives in them.
Everything is loved not for its own sake, but because the Self lives in it.
This Self has to be realized. Hear about this Self and meditate upon him, Maitreyi. When you hear about the Self, meditate upon the Self, and when you finally realize the Self, you come to understand everything in life.
[Brihadaranyaka Upanishad]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
A student, filled with emotion and crying, implored, "Why is there so much suffering?" Suzuki Roshi replied, "No reason."

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2013, 04:48:46 PM
I feel that Bhagavan's Grace has abandoned me. I feel tired and need some rest. For those who loves me, please pray for me.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 20, 2013, 05:36:07 PM
Dear Hari,

It is not possible for Grace to abandon You! Grace is Your true nature,this feeling You have is not. It is only the mind. Grace is ever present,ever shining,You could not run from it even if You want.
You have rest if You need it,or else,listen and read something soothing and relaxing. I hope You will feel better soon!

With love and prayers,

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Where can I go? I am here!

Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 20, 2013, 06:04:43 PM
Dear Jewell,

These are the word uttered by Sri Bhagavan during His terminal illness days, when devotees pleaded to Him, to live longer.

These words are quite prophetic.  Sri Bhagavan HAS NOT gone anywhere.  His presence is felt more abundantly in the
Asramam today. 

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 20, 2013, 06:22:06 PM
Dear Sri Subramanian Sir,

Yes,so true,and so beautifully said! Where can he go? Where can All Pervading,All Knowing and All Powerful go? His presence can be felt even here,everywhere.

It is indeed golden promise. Bhagavan is ever with His devotees,guiding them silently.

With love and prayers,

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on August 21, 2013, 07:34:08 AM
There is a time in every man's education when he arrives at the conviction that envy is ignorance; that imitation is suicide; that he must take himself for better, for worse, as his portion; that though the wide universe is full of good, no kernel of nourishing corn can come to him but through his toil bestowed on that plot of ground which is given to him to till. The power which resides in him is new in nature, and none but he knows what that is which he can do, nor does he know until he has tried.

Excerpt from Self Reliance- Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 23, 2013, 02:38:50 PM
Thank you all for your support! I am better now. It was something I had to going through.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 23, 2013, 02:46:36 PM
"If someone behaves negatively towards you, it helps to remember that he or she is a human being like you and to distinguish between an action and the person who does it. If counter measures are needed to prevent someone doing harm, it's always better to do it with a calm rather than an agitated mind. If you act out of anger, the best part of your brain fails to function. Remember, compassion is not a sign of weakness."
[Dalai Lama]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 23, 2013, 02:54:25 PM
"You say you try to slow down the mind enough so you can stay in the Self, but there is no need to 'slow down the mind' for this. The mind has never been able to stay in the Self by effort. This is all due to much misunderstanding.  Please listen: to stay in something is an effort. It requires a dedication and a skill. It would require full time commitment, devotion, determination, single-mindedness. Even the Buddha could not do it. People have spent many years naked in caves trying to convert or merge the mind inside the heart, and have failed. They may have achieved something they did not have before, like peace or concentration or even joy, but they retain their identity as a seeker or practitioner—an entity who attains something. They may become a peaceful person, but there is a duality there. They must Be the peace itself. The Self cannot be reached or owned by anyone. It can only be discovered and recognised as the effortless and natural source of all which Is and appears. How do you ask something as fickle as the mind to stay in something as absolute as the Self? Isn’t it all a little ridiculous?"
[Mooji]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 23, 2013, 03:11:16 PM
"The intellect always cuts and divides like a pair of scissors. The heart sews things together and unites like a needle. The tailor uses both."
[Amma]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 23, 2013, 03:49:01 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 23, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
"Take the idea "I was born". You may take it to be true. It is not. You were not born, nor will you ever die. It is the idea that was born and shall die, not you. By identifying yourself with it you became mortal."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 24, 2013, 04:08:06 PM
"Attention pays attention to a lot of things, but when attention pays attention to attention, then there is a stillness, and that stillness introduces you to your Self."
[Mooji]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 24, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
"What is hell? I maintain that it is the suffering of being unable to love."
[Fyodor Dostoyevsky]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 24, 2013, 04:41:09 PM
"The darker the night, the brighter the stars. The deeper the grief, the closer is God!"
[Fyodor Dostoyevsky]



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Title: Self-enquiry - practice. By Sri David Godman
Post by: Hari on August 25, 2013, 12:34:56 PM
Self-enquiry - practice. By Sri David Godman.

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Beginners in self-enquiry were advised by Sri Ramana to put their attention on the inner feeling of ‘I’ and to hold that feeling as long as possible. They would be told that if their attention was distracted by other thoughts they should revert to awareness of the ‘I’-thought whenever they became aware that their attention had wandered. He suggested various aids to assist this process- one could ask oneself ‘Who am I?’ or ‘Where does this I come from?’- but the ultimate aim was to be continuously aware of the ‘I’ which assumes that it is responsible for all the activities of the body and the mind.

In the early stages of practice attention to the feeling ‘I’ is a mental activity which takes the form of a thought or a perception. As the practice develops, the thought ‘I’ gives way to a subjectively experienced feeling of ‘I’, and when this feeling ceases to connect and identify with thoughts and objects, it completely vanishes. What remains is an experience of being in which the sense of individuality has temporarily ceased to operate. The experience may be intermittent at first but with repeated practice it becomes easier and easier to reach and maintain. When self-enquiry reaches this level there is an effortless awareness of being in which individual effort is no longer possible since the ‘I’ who makes the effort has temporarily ceased to exist. It is not Self-realisation since the ‘I’-thought periodically reasserts itself but it is the highest level of practice. Repeated experience of this state of being weakens and destroys the Vasanas (mental tendencies) which cause the '‘I’-thought to rise, and, when their hold has been sufficiently weakened, the power of the Self destroys the tendencies so completely that the ‘I’-thought never rises again. This is the final and irreversible state of Self-realisation.

This practice of Self-attention or awareness of the ‘I’-thought is a gentle technique, which bypasses the usual repressive methods of controlling the mind. It is not an exercise in concentration, nor does it aim at suppressing thoughts; it merely invokes awareness of the source from which the mind . The method and goal of self-enquiry is to abide in the source of the mind and to be aware of what one really is by withdrawing attention and interest from what one is not. In the early stages effort in the form of transferring attention from the thoughts to the thinker is essential, but once awareness of the ‘I’-feeling has been firmly established, further effort is counter-productive. From then on it is more a process of being than doing, of effortless being rather than an effort to be.

Being what one already is is effortless since beingness is always present and always experienced. On the other hand, pretending to be what one is not (i.e. the body and the mind) requires mental effort even though the effort is nearly always at a subconscious level. It therefore follows that in the higher stages of self-enquiry effort takes attention away from the experience of being while the of mental effort reveals it. Ultimately, the Self is not discovered as a result of doing anything, but only by being. As Sri Ramana Maharshi himself once remarked:

'Do not meditate – be!
Do not think that you are – be!
Don’t think about being – you are!'

Self-enquiry should not be regarded as a meditation practice that takes place at certain hours and in certain positions; it should continue throughout one's waking hours, irrespective of what one is doing. Sri Ramana Maharshi saw no conflict between working and self-enquiry and he maintained that with a little practice it could be done under any circumstances. He did sometimes say that regular periods of formal practice were good for beginners, but he never advocated long periods of sitting meditation and he always showed his disapproval when any of his devotees expressed a desire to give up their mundane activities in favour of a meditative.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 26, 2013, 10:40:52 PM
"Your love of the world is the reflection of your love of yourself, for your world is of your own creation. Light and love are impersonal, but they are reflected in your mind as knowing and wishing oneself well. We are always friendly toward ourselves, but not always wise. A yogi is a man whose goodwill is allied to wisdom."
[Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 26, 2013, 10:49:11 PM
"Throw away holiness and wisdom,
and people will be a hundred times happier.
Throw away morality and justice,
and people will do the right thing.
Throw away industry and profit,
and there won't be any thieves.

If these three aren't enough,
just stay at the center of the circle
and let all things take their course."


[Lao Tzu (Tao Te Ching, ch.19)]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 26, 2013, 10:54:43 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 07:14:26 PM
"One night years ago I came upon my boyfriend passionately embracing another woman. We were in the house of a friend who had a priceless collection of pottery. I was furious and looking for something to throw. Everything I picked up I had to put back down because it was worth at least ten thousand dollars. I was completely enraged and I couldn’t find an outlet! There were no exits from experiencing my own energy. The absurdity of the situation totally cut through my rage. I went outside and looked at the sky and laughed until I cried.

In vajrayana Buddhism it is said that wisdom is inherent in emotions. When we struggle against our energy we reject the source of wisdom. Anger without the fixation is none other than clear-seeing wisdom. Pride without fixation is experienced as equanimity. The energy of passion when it’s free of grasping is wisdom that sees all the angles."

[Pema Chodron]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 07:20:05 PM
"It is by God's Grace that you think of God."
[Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
"There is a beautiful story about the flute of Krishna. You know Krishna always holds a flute in His hand, but there is a great story behind it. Everyday Krishna would go in the garden and say to all the plants, "I love you". The plants were very happy and responded back and said "Krishna, we love You, too". One day Krishna rushed quickly into the garden very alarmed. He went to the bamboo plant and the bamboo plant asked, "Krishna, what's wrong with You?" Krishna said "I have something to ask you, but it is very difficult". The bamboo said "Tell me: if I can, I will give it to You". So Krishna said "I need your life. I need to cut you". The bamboo thought for a while and then said "You don't have any other choice. You don't have any other way?" Krishna said, "No, no other way". And it said "OK, I surrender to You". So Krishna cut the bamboo, made holes in it, and each time, while He was doing that, the bamboo was crying with pain, because He was paining the bamboo so much. Krishna made a beautiful flute out of it. And this flute was with Krishna all the time. 24 hours a day, it was with Krishna. Even the Gopis were jealous of the flute. They said, "Look, Krishna is our Lord, but yet we get to spend only some time with Him. He wakes up with you, He sleeps with you, all the time you are with Him". So one day they asked the bamboo, "Tell us the secret of it. What secret do you have, that the Lord treasures you so much?" And the bamboo said "The secret is that I'm empty inside. And the Lord does whatever He wants with me, whenever He wants with me and however He wants with me". So this is complete surrender: where God can do whatever He wants with you, whenever He wants, as He wants. And for that you don't need to be scared, you know, you have just to give yourself. And who is yourself in reality? It's just Him!"
[Sri Swami Vishwananda]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 07:35:26 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 07:38:36 PM
"The extra luggage of indiscriminate dreams, desires and attachments will make your life's journey miserable."
[Amma]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 07:42:03 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 07:44:25 PM
"Be patient.
Respond to every call
that excites your spirit.
Ignore those that make you fearful and sad."

[Rumi]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
""I am That I Am" sums up the whole truth; the method is summarized in "be still.""
[Sri Ramana Maharshi]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 09:12:28 PM
ANNAMALAI SWAMI RECOUNTED:

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"It is one of Bhagavan's characteristics that He often responded to identical situations in different ways. In 1938, when I was once again troubled by sexual desires, He reacted in a completely different way (then in another incident before). For three days my mind had been filled with sexual thoughts, so much so that I began to think, 'How will I ever attain salvation if thoughts like these constantly come?'

I so disturbed by these thoughts that throughout these three days I was unable to eat or sleep properly.

I decided that Bhagavan was the only person who could help me. That evening I followed Bhagavan when He went out for his walk and explained my problem to Him.
'Since this desire for women came to me the other day, I have not slept or taken food for the last three days. As these thoughts occur quite often, what will eventually happen to me?'

Bhagavan, after remaining silent for a couple of minutes, replied 'Why should you always be thinking that an evil thought occurred at such and such a time in the past? If you instead meditate 'To whom does this thought come?' it will fly away of its own accord. You are not the body or the mind, you are the Self. Meditate on this and all yow desires will leave you.'"

Similarly Bhagavan taught Annamalai Swami about anger and remorsefulness. He had beaten a worker who had been acting carelessly.

"This happened at about 9 a.m. For the rest of the day I felt very guilty about losing my temper in this way. That evening, when I gave my daily report, I confessed to Bhagavan and apologised for my action. Bhagavan asked me, 'When did this anger come and when did you hit him?'

I told Him that the incident had happened about 9 a.m. that morning.

'The anger that came at 9 a.m. has already gone,' said Bhagavan. 'Why are you still thinking that you got angry and hit someone? Why are you still carrying these thoughts in your mind? Instead of feeling guilty about what you have done, enquire, 'To whom did all this anger come?' Find out the real nature of the person who got angry this morning. For activity that anger was needed. Now it is all over, you do not need to think about it any more. So drop that memory of anger and proceed with the next job.'"

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 09:14:30 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 09:19:34 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 28, 2013, 09:20:41 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 29, 2013, 01:02:54 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 29, 2013, 01:19:53 PM
Upon being asked about the timing of the next birth after death of individuals, Sri Bhagavan said, "some are born immediately after, others after some lapse of time, a few are not reborn on this earth but eventually get salvation in some higher region, and a very few get absolved here and now."

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 29, 2013, 01:45:50 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 29, 2013, 01:49:37 PM
"The only way you will ever awaken is through the silence, not through analyzation of facts. Not by sorting out good and bad, but through simple silence, letting go. Letting go of all thoughts, all the hurts, all the dogmas and concepts. Letting go of these things daily".
[Robert Adams]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 11:38:54 AM
"You must read. What is reading? I do not refer to the reading of books. But just as books give us knowledge about external matters and help even an ignorant child turn into a learned scholar, so is there a book within each of us. Try to read that book. On reading that you will be left with no doubts on any subject nor will any questions arise in your mind."
[Sri Anandamayi Ma]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 11:43:31 AM
"In kevala nirvikalpa samadhi one is not free from vasanas and does not, therefore, attain mukti. Only after the samskaras have been destroyed can one attain salvation."
[Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi]

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Title: Question on Talks
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 12:00:04 PM
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"Mr. M. Frydman, an engineer, remarked on the subject of Grace, "A salt doll diving into the sea will not be protected by a waterproof coat".
It was a very happy simile and was applauded as such. Maharshi added, "The body is the waterproof coat"."
I don't understand exactly what did Bhagavan mean. Please, elaborate.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on September 01, 2013, 12:22:27 PM
Dear Hari,

My thinking is that Bhagavan ment only belief that we are body is what is stopping us to be all pervading consciousness. Even that is not true in a sense,what i have said,coz we are already that. Only wrong identification with body make us believe we are separate. Only that makes us prisoners,nothing else.
 We are already in the ocean,only false personality must go. Ocean is the reality,so also the Grace.

In one sentence,Drop the body belief and You are there.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 12:26:22 PM
Jewell,
what is the salt doll body? The salt body dissolves in the ocean and the waterproof coat remains. Did He mean that the salt doll body is the ego and even after the ego is dissolved body continues to function? But even this interpretation is not very good.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on September 01, 2013, 12:31:32 PM
Dear Hari,

I think that there is the meaning that salt dall cannot dissolve when it have waterproof coat. Only that. At least,i see it that way.

I dont know whole conversation,but even this is enough,if i understood well.

With love and prayers,
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on September 01, 2013, 12:51:41 PM
I see this answer from Bhagavan like His base teaching.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 12:55:31 PM
Dear Jewell,
yes but it is still a little mystery for me.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 12:59:57 PM
I yesterday before going to bed I asked myself something. It is said that the world is in my mind. My mind 'creates' it. My mind wants happiness. Then why my mind creates such painful world?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on September 01, 2013, 01:12:33 PM
Because You want to get out of it. Your own Self. That is the Grace.

It needs to be like that,otherwise we would never bother. And suffering would continue,contradictions,all absurdity which makes the ego. It is its own creation,suffering,happiness,everything. He wants this,he wants that,running its tail all the time,and the irony is,ego makes it all. Even,suffering is only attitude,it is not?!

But we can stop to create this painful world,like Maharaj said,to stop giving it attention.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 01:21:44 PM
All these thoughts came after conversation with a friend of mine. It was like the Lord has brought us together. He has the doubt if everything exists because of him and only when he thinks of it. He asked me "Is it not possible my mother and brother to exist only because of me, only when I 'see' then and then when my attention goes to another object - they stop existing?". I didn't know what to say. But then this question arose in my mind and I asked him "If it is so then why the world is so painful?".

Dear Jewell, yes, pain and problems switch our attention on many question which finally lead us to God. But is that necessary? Isn't death of yourself enough stimulus for starting you search of God? Are all these pains and miseries really needed? All people I know are in pain for one reason or another (like most people) but this didn't lead them to God or to question "Who am I?" and EVEN "Why I suffer?"......
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on September 01, 2013, 01:41:31 PM
Dear Hari,

It will lead them,when the time comes. These pains and miseries are not needed at all,but we are the ones who create them over and over again. All answers are in us,and we are alone responsable for ourselves. Pain is not something which is coming to us without any reason. It is self imposed.

In depth,It is truly a blessing,for it is waking us from long and absurd dream. And only for the mind world is painful,there is no pain apart from it. The world alone is its creation. It is based on violence,that is its nature,change,yin and yang,death and birth. But all this is only a dream,nothing more. Ocean will always be the ocean,no matter how many salt dolls are swiming in it.

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 02:02:50 PM
The problem is that if the mind creates everything then it is all-powerful. If it is so then why it creates suffering and impermanence. Why it creates itself impermanent? :) Is it not more logical to create eternal and happy world without suffering? :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on September 01, 2013, 02:31:28 PM
Well,we already have permanence.  :) The Self,something we truly are. And the mind is all powerful only because we gave it such power. Without the Self,where is the power of mind? It is only reflection of Absolute. So these powers are also very limited,they persist only in that same field,its own field. And mind is impermanence. It cannot give itself permanence,coz it dont have autority. It is not an entity,it is the function of consciousness,gunas and elements,which just do their own work. There is no particular mind responable for it. That is the whole point. Our identification with certain happenings and this body is make us suffer. But there is no sufferer,no suffering. We are beyond.

Happy and eternal world would be same problem i think. It would be certainly boring. Even in the heaven,and higher worlds beings wants release and to join Absolute. False cannot last long,soon or later it will realise its hollowness. And all personality is just that.



Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 04:09:54 PM
"You are always connected to Source. Wherever you are, wherever you go, you are always connected to Divine Wisdom, Divine Intelligence, and Divine Love."
[Neale Donald Walsch]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 04:17:26 PM
When one of the present attendants came the first time to Bhagavan, he asked: "What is the way for liberation?" Maharshi replied: "The way already taken leads to liberation."

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 01, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
Today, the first September 117 years ago the young Venkataraman arrived in Tiruvannamalai!!!
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Title: Dalai Lama live webcast
Post by: Hari on September 02, 2013, 04:27:43 PM
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There will be live webcasts of His Holiness the Dalai Lama's three day teaching continuing from Chapter 8 of Shantideva's "A Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life" at the request of a group of Southeast Asians at the Main Tibetan Temple in Dharamsala, HP, India on September 3-5, 2013. English, Tibetan, Chinese and Vietnamese language webcasts will be available. Live webcasts can be viewed at http://dalailama.com/liveweb (http://dalailama.com/liveweb)

All times Indian Standard Time (IST = GMT+5.30)

September 3rd: 8:00am - 12:00noon IST
September 4th: 8:00am - 12:00noon IST
September 5th: 8:00am - 12:00noon IST

For times in your region 8:00am IST on September 3rd in Dharamsala, India is the same as 3:30am BST on September 3rd in London, England; and 7:30pm PDT on September 2nd in Los Angeles, California, USA.
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 02, 2013, 04:55:24 PM
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From Nisargadatta Gita
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
In Toward a True Kinship of Faiths, the Dalai Lama gives the story of Lopön-la, a monk who had previously been in the Namgyal monastery in the Potala Palace before the Communist takeover of Tibet. As the Dalai Lama wrote:

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     He had spent eighteen years in a Chinese prison after the fall of Tibet in 1959, but was able to come to India in 1980. Since we had known each other in Tibet, we occasionally had tea and a chat once he got to India. During one of these conversations, quite casually, Lopön-la said that there had been two or three occasions when he felt in real danger. I naturally thought he was in fear for his life and asked, "What kind of danger?" He answered, "The danger of losing my compassion for the Chinese." When I heard this response, I simply bowed.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 03:44:04 AM
"Only two kinds of people can attain self-knowledge: those who are not encumbered at all with learning, that is to say, whose minds are not over-crowded with thoughts borrowed from others; and those who, after studying all the scriptures and sciences, have come to realise that they know nothing."
[Sri Ramakrishna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 03:56:34 AM
Govinda said: 'What you call a thing, is it something real and intrinsic? Is it not simply an illusion of Maya, merely image and appearance? Your stone, your tree, are they real?'

'This does not trouble me much,' said Siddhartha. 'If they are illusion, then I too am illusion, and so they are of the same nature as myself… That is why I can love them…'


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 12:16:54 PM
"There are three dolls - the first made of salt, the second made of cloth, and the third of stone. If these dolls are immersed in water, the first doll made of salt will become dissolved and lose its form. The second doll made from cloth will absorb a large quantity of water but retain its form. The third doll, made of stone, will remain impervious to water. The first doll made from salt represents the man who merges his self in the universal and all-pervading Self and becomes one with It. He is the liberated man. The second doll from cloth represents the Bhakta (devotee) or the true lover of God, who is full of Divine bliss and knowledge. And the third doll made of stone, represents the worldly man who will not admit even a particle of true knowledge into his heart."
[Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 12:20:56 PM
"The hereditary peasant does not give up tilling the soil though it may not rain for twelve years; but a merchant who has recently taken to agriculture is discouraged by one season of drought. The true believer is never discouraged even if he fails to see God in spite of lifelong devotion."
[Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 03:06:31 PM
"It’s in our interest to take care of others. Self-centredness is opposed to basic human nature. In our own interest as human beings we need to pay attention to our inner values. Sometimes people think compassion is only of help to others, while we get no benefit. This is a mistake. When you concern yourself with others, you naturally develop a sense of self-confidence. To help others takes courage and inner strength."
[Dalai Lama]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 03:12:22 PM
"The one who begins the inquiry will not finish the inquiry, but will be finished by the inquiry."
[Mooji]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 03, 2013, 03:16:47 PM
"The one who begins the inquiry will not finish the inquiry, but will be finished by the inquiry."

how wonderfully true, i'd rather not take the name of the quoted :) it may not be allowed :D

It is same with Surrender, True Surrender happens just once and one is finished with it. all our surrenders are merely going to jail and coming back with bail :D

True Self Enquiry is to happen just once! other wise, we may keep doing Self Enquiry for life! :D and be happy with it!!

just in a lighter vein :)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 03:21:31 PM
Haha, dear Nagaraj, absolutely true! :D Sometime the in the spiritual life there is more irony than in the worldly one. :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 03:31:16 PM
"Deeper and closer than any image you have of yourself, or even any sense of yourself; deeper and closer than your gender, your nationality, your family history; in the core of yourself, there is freedom and peace and love waiting to be discovered by you, in your lifetime."
[Gangaji]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 03, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 05:45:35 PM
"Be nobody. When you are somebody there are so many duties that even to be yourself is such a hassle. When you are nobody, you escape from every trap. It is immediate freedom!"
[Mooji]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 04, 2013, 06:26:19 PM

Dear Hari,

What is becoming nobody?  It is losing your 'somebody'.  Here also there is negative.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 06:28:49 PM
Dear Subramanian,
yes, I realize that. :) My point was why? Is it necessary? How bhaktas realize God without practicing 'neti-neti'?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 04, 2013, 06:35:55 PM
Dear Hari,

The bhaktas also remove the negatives.  Saint Manikkavachagar says:  I do not want my town; I do not want my people.
I do not want any name for me. I do not want even the learned people around me.  I want to use all my learning,
only to sing You glory, O Siva of KuRRalam, who dances there.

Siva wanted to make a final test for Saint Tirunavukkararasar. While he was cleaning up the temple premises, some
diamonds, rubies etc., were scattered along with garbage. The Saint used his broom and pushed away all these gems
along with the other garbage into the dustbin. 

All are unreal.  Only Siva is real.  I shall forsake everything and anything in the world for attaining Sivam!

Arunachala Siva.       
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 04, 2013, 06:41:16 PM
Dear Hari,

This is Saint Manikkavachagar's original Tamizh verse:

உற்றாறை யான்வேண்டேன் ஊர்வேண்டேன் பேர்வேண்டேன்
கற்றாறை யான்வேண்டேன் கற்பனவும் இனியமையும்
குற்றாலத் தமர்ந்துறையுங் கூத்தாஉன் குரைகழற்கே
கற்றாவின் மனம்போலக் கசிந்துருக வேண்டுவனே. 558


Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 06:42:32 PM
I see this more like 'I surrender everything to Shiva and consider everything other as unimportant', not like 'everything is unreal'.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
I am amazed by the devotion of the Shiva bhaktas. But I don't see their devotion in the negative aspect of Advaita. I consider that these two approaches are different way to experience the Reality.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 04, 2013, 06:53:46 PM
Dear Hari,

No. No. Siva is real and everything is unreal, not important or unimportant.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 04, 2013, 06:58:25 PM

Dear Hari,

Bhakti will mature only when other things are jettisoned. God alone is the Principle, I love and not anything else.
One cannot do puja at home altar, thinking about onion  sambhar prepared at the kitchen by your wife!
Sri Bhagavan says Bhakti is Jnana mata, bhakti is the mother of Jnana. Bhakti comes first and then Jnana.

Arunachala Siva.       
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 07:05:12 PM
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Sri Bhagavan says Bhakti is Jnana mata, bhakti is the mother of Jnana. Bhakti comes first and then Jnana.

Then how can one be liberated through Self-enquiry without surrender?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 08:54:35 PM
"Just living is not enough," said the butterfly, "one must have sunshine, freedom, and a little flower."
["The butterfly", Hans Christian Andersen]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 08:57:44 PM
"Every man's life is a fairy tale, written by God's fingers."
[Hans Christian Andersen]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 09:05:20 PM
"She laughed and danced with the thought of death in her heart."
[Hans Christian Andersen, The Little Mermaid]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 04, 2013, 09:09:27 PM
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Sri Bhagavan says Bhakti is Jnana mata, bhakti is the mother of Jnana. Bhakti comes first and then Jnana.

Then how can one be liberated through Self-enquiry without surrender?

:) it may rather look like an innocent observation, but isn't there so much truth in it?

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 04, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Self Enquiry tames the hard head, buckles it down, humbles it, and kills it.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 09:17:10 PM
What the ego would say....: "Bad Self-equiry, bad Self-enquiry" :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 04, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
 haha  :D it desires to become a 'jnani' 'brahman' but its desire can never be fulfilled!

Self Enquiry is a long knife which asks the holder of the knife to chop ones own head off!

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 09:25:20 PM
Exactly! :D So the most Vedantists (in my view, sorry, I don't want to offend anybody) are not better than yogis who long for siddhis.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 04, 2013, 09:31:14 PM
yes, very true Hari, i am unable to disagree with you.

it seems to be that they are interested in Jnana Siddhi, rather than 'Jnanam' itself, if it has to be observed.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 09:57:32 PM
I must confess that in the beginning when I learned about Maharishi's philosophy I became so self-righteous. I thought "I got the the highest teaching, to the highest truth. The poor ignorant people" (something like 'thank you God that I am a christian' :D). If I had living Guru at that time I am sure He would hit me with a stick :D. But then I realized what a fool I am. I realized for myself that Ramana's path is even above His teachings. His highest teaching is Silence and all other teachings of Him are due to the temperament and the spiritual advancement of the sadhaka. Today I realized that Sri Ramana's Silence is the living proof of the Taoist's Truth "The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao". Silence is even more direct path than Self-enquiry, the best one! But can we be silent in the midst of the noice of the world? :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 04, 2013, 10:06:47 PM
(http://davidgodman.org/interviews/images/Bhagavan8.jpg)

   





Ulladu Naarpadu Anubandham 27:

Seeming to have enthusiasm and delight, seeming to have excitement and aversion, seeming to exercise initiative and perseverance, and yet without attachment, play, O hero, in the world. Released from all bonds of attachment and with equanimity of mind, acting outwardly in all situations in accordance with the part you have assumed, play as you please, O hero, in the world.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 10:22:18 PM
These are the most 'advaitins' in the West :) And I am not sure if it is funny but I cannot stop laughing :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KXidr0z1RY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KXidr0z1RY)
Do I judge them? Mmmm, how could I? I live in the Western world. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 11:46:05 PM
"For you know that I myself am a labyrinth, where one easily gets lost."
[Charles Perrault]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 04, 2013, 11:50:57 PM
"FIRST MORAL

Good manners are not easy
they need a little care,
but when we least expect it
bring rewards both rich and rare.


SECOND MORAL

Brute force or bribes of diamonds
bend others to your will,
but gentle words have greater power
and gain more conquests still."
[Charles Perrault]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 05, 2013, 12:01:01 AM
"O Christ – Thou Rarest Flower of Hearts. O Thou Great Lover of error-torn brothers – as unseen monument of the mightiest miracle of love was established in each heart when the magic wand of Thy Voice uttered: "Forgive them, for they know not what they do." O Shepherd of Souls, wandering hearts are of themselves seeking the one fold of divine devotion. We have heard the ever-calling music of Thy infinite kindness. Our one desire is to be at home with Thee, to receive the Cosmic Father with joyous, open eyes of wisdom, and to know that we are all sons of our own One God."
(Paramahansa Yogananda, excerpts from the original 1929 edition of Whispers From Eternity)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 05, 2013, 04:40:48 PM
These are the most 'advaitins' in the West :) And I am not sure if it is funny but I cannot stop laughing :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KXidr0z1RY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KXidr0z1RY)
Do I judge them? Mmmm, how could I? I live in the Western world. :D :D :D

Hari i just got to see this, hilarious! :D

great fun!!

:D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 05, 2013, 05:32:23 PM
Hahaha, yes. There is another one :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja86AkbxQLQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja86AkbxQLQ)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 12:52:41 AM
Has anyone of you had tension and restlessness during Self-enquiry? If yes, how do you manage it?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 11:04:04 AM
Hari, there are possibilities one may get tension and restlessness during self enquiry, this would be a a definite yes by most if not all. Unfortunately, there are no methods to manage it, the Sage only asks us to only proceed, as any step taken to tackle the restlessness only would deviate you. There is no way, allow the nature to take course, as the river travels, it is bound to pass through some places of rocks and bumps and eventually would pass through them, what an we do, we just got to be patient, humongous patience, as the Hercules is carrying the earth!

Any solution is false, there are no solutions, solutions are illusions as the problems!

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on September 06, 2013, 11:22:55 AM
Hari,
Tension and restlessness may mean one is struggling to control the mind forcibly-may be, by way of concentration.Whether it is self-enquiry or any other sadhana,there is always a quiet way of doing it and a forced way(Sri Ramakrishna calls these as Satvic and Tamasic approaches).
The key towards handling it is to be 'aware' that this is happening and this awareness itself will make the mind more amenable-one gets to recollect the scattered mind and switch over to the job at hand.

Here is an excerpt from David Godman's interview:

"Sri Ramana likened self-enquiry to holding a bunch of fresh grass under the bull’s nose. As the bull approaches it, you move away in the direction of the stable door and the bull follows you. You lead it back into the stable, and it voluntarily follows you because it wants the pleasure of eating the grass that you are holding in front of it. Once it is inside the stable, you allow it to eat the abundant grass that is always stored there. In this way you train it to stay home. The door of the stable is always left open, and the bull is free to leave and roam about at any time. There is no punishment or restraint. The bull will go out repeatedly, because it is the nature of such animals to wander in search of food, but every time you notice that your bull–mind has wandered out, tempt it back into its stable with the same technique. Don’t try to beat it into submission or you may be attacked, and don’t try to solve the problem forcibly by locking it up. Sooner or later even the dimmest of bulls will understand that, since there is a perpetual supply of tasty food in the stable, there is no point wandering around outside, because that always leads to suffering and punishments. Even though the stable door is always open, the bull will eventually stay inside and enjoy the food that is always there".

You may like to read the complete interview:
http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.in/2008/05/interview-with-integral-yoga-magazine.html (http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.in/2008/05/interview-with-integral-yoga-magazine.html)

somewhere in this interview David says that in the case of japa,etc,the mind is 'Forced'.I do not agree.Anything done with Love and devotion automatically sets the mind right.If the mind is recalcitrant,a devotee may switch to a simple prayer to get it out of the rut.

Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 11:43:47 AM
Sri Ravi, very insightful post. Anything done with Love and devotion automatically sets the mind right. - very true, and love and devotion also in-turn doesn't come by our effort, as the saying goes, avan arulale avan thaal vanangi.

The bull will go out repeatedly, because it is the nature of such animals to wander in search of food, but every time you notice that your bull–mind has wandered out, tempt it back into its stable with the same technique. Don’t try to beat it into submission or you may be attacked, and don’t try to solve the problem forcibly by locking it up. Sooner or later even the dimmest of bulls will understand that, since there is a perpetual supply of tasty food in the stable, there is no point wandering around outside, because that always leads to suffering and punishments. Even though the stable door is always open, the bull will eventually stay inside and enjoy the food that is always there".

this, as above, the span as above will generate restlessness, as we are even responding with wisdom, still the restlessness would remain, eventually to disappear eventually.

In one ways, Self Enquiry also is highest Hata Yoga, deliberate effort is made to curtail the outgoing mind and arresting it within. When the situation is favorable it is conducive and we also pass through those phases when it is not conducive, and it would be greatly burdensome, not only for self enquiry but just about any sadhana.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 12:12:42 PM
Talks 326

In answer to a question by a long resident attendant Sri Bhagavan said: “Everybody complains of the restlessness of the mind. Let the mind be found and then they will know. True, when a man sits down to meditate thoughts rush up by dozens. The mind is only a bundle of thoughts. The attempt to push through the barrage of thoughts is unsuccessful. If one can by any means abide in the Self it is good. For those who are unable to do so, chanting or meditation (Japa or dhyana) is prescribed. It is like giving a piece of chain to an elephant to hold in its trunk. The trunk of the elephant is usually restless. It puts it out in all directions when taken out in the streets of the town.

If given a chain to carry the restlessness is checked. Similarly with the restless mind. If made to engage in japa or dhyana, other thoughts are warded off: and the mind concentrates on a single thought. It thus becomes peaceful. It does not mean that peace is gained without a prolonged struggle. The other thoughts must be fought out.

Here is another illustration. Suppose a cow plays rogue and strays into neighbours’ fields to graze. She is not easily weaned from her stealthy habit. Think how she can be kept in the stall. If forcibly tethered in the stall she simply bides her time to play the rogue. If she is  tempted with fine grass in the stall she takes one mouthful on the first day and again waits for the opportunity to run away. The next day she takes two mouthfuls; so she takes more and more on each succeeding day, until finally she is weaned from her wicked tendencies. When entirely free from bad habits she might be safely left free and she would not stray into neighbours’ pasture land. Even  when beaten in the stall, she does not afterwards leave the place. Similarly with the mind. It is accustomed to stray outward by the force of the latent vasanas manifesting as thoughts. So long as there are vasanas contained within they must come out and exhaust themselves. The thoughts comprise the mind. Searching what the mind is, the thoughts will recoil and the seeker will know that they arise from the Self. It is the aggregate of these thoughts that we call ‘mind’. If one realises that the thoughts arise from the Self and abide in their source, the mind will disappear. After the mind ceases to exist and bliss of peace has been realised, one will find it then as difficult to bring out a thought, as he now finds it difficult to keep out all thoughts. Here the mind is the cow playing the rogue; the thoughts are the neighbours’ pasture; one’s own primal being free from thoughts is the stall.

The bliss of peace is too good to be disturbed. A man fast asleep hates to be awakened and ordered to mind his business. The bliss of sleep is too enthralling to be sacrificed to the work born of thoughts. The thought-free state is one’s primal state and full of bliss. Is it not miserable to leave such a state for the thought-ridden and unhappy one?

If one wants to abide in the thought-free state, a struggle is inevitable. One must fight one’s way through before regaining one’s original primal state. If one succeeds in the fight and reaches the goal, the enemy, namely the thoughts, will all subside in the Self and disappear entirely. The thoughts are the enemy. They amount to the creation of the Universe. In their absence there is neither the world  nor God the Creator. The Bliss of the Self is the single Being only. When Prahlada was in samadhi, Vishnu thought within Himself:

“This asura being in samadhi, all the asuras are in peace. There is no fight, no trial of strength, no search for power, nor the means for gaining power. In the absence of such means for power - yaga, yajna, etc., i.e., the gods are not thriving; there is no new creation; nor even is any existence justified. So I will wake him up; then the asuras will rise up; their original nature will manifest itself; the gods will challenge them: the asuras and others will then seek strength and adopt the means for its acquisition. Yajnas, etc., will flourish; the gods will thrive; there will be more and more of creation, more of fight and I shall have enough to do”.

So Vishnu awakened Prahlada, blessing him with eternal life and jivanmukti. Deva-asura fight was resumed and the old order of things
was restored so that the universe continues in its eternal nature.

D.: How could God Himself wake up the asura element and bring about constant warfare? Is not Pure Goodness the nature of God?

M.: Goodness is only relative. Good always implies bad also; they always co-exist. The one is the obverse of the other.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on September 06, 2013, 12:19:08 PM
Nagaraj/Friends,
I shall continue this topic in the Rough-notebook thread.
Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 02:59:20 PM
Sri Nagaraj, Sri Ravi, thank you for sharing your thoughts. They are of much help for me! :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 03:02:08 PM
"The pure truth of the Atman, which is buried under Maya and the effects of Maya, can be reached by meditation, contemplation and other spiritual disciplines such as a knower of Brahman may prescribe - but never by subtle arguments."
[Sri Shankara, "Vivekachudamani"]

(http://sunyogi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/shankara.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 03:04:32 PM
A monk is accepted into a monastery that has an extreme vow of silence. Upon entry he is told, "You can say two words every five years."
After the first five years he says, "Bed hard."
Then after another five years he says, "Food sucks."
And finally after five more years he says, "I quit." To which the abbot replies, "I thought you might. Since you've been here you've done nothing but complain!"


I am sure that if I go to a monastery I will be like that. :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 03:10:02 PM
Once Satan and his demon sidekick were walking down the street, closely watching a man 20 yards ahead who was on the verge of realizing the Supreme Truth. The demon grew worried, and began to nudge Satan, but Satan looked quite calm. Sure enough, the man did, in fact, soon realize the deepest spiritual Truth. Yet Satan still did nothing about it. With this, the demon nudged Satan harder and, getting no response, finally blurted out, "Satan! Don’t you see? That man has realized the Truth! And yet you are doing nothing to stop him!" With that, Satan cunningly smiled and announced, "Yes, he has realized the Truth. And now I am going to help him organize the Truth!"

:D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 03:15:37 PM
A toast given by a Hindu gentleman at a wedding: "A man not having a wife is incomplete. And once he has a wife, he's finished!"

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 03:23:30 PM
"In the light of real understanding, the unreal image of yourself begins to fade, giving way to a joyous sense of expansion and spaciousness. 'But I feel I am dying ....' Though it feels like a dying, you do not die. It is the self image that dies."
[Mooji]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 03:37:11 PM
"Searching is looking for something, reaching for something, trying to find what you think will give you what you want.
Self inquiry is discovering what is already here. If there is still activity it is directed toward the source rather than objects.
We can make self inquiry a search. We can do self inquiry to get something, and then it becomes searching.
But the purity of self inquiry is in the willingness to stop the outward flow of thinking. Thinking is normally about gathering information for survival. By overriding that very natural instinct, and simply telling the truth about what is here, what you are experiencing, you discover yourself."

[Gangaji]

(http://silentawareness.org/images/gangaji_300x400.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 04:50:16 PM
Thinking and analyzing myself some thought arises in me. I did what Sri Shankara has taught "neti, neti". I am not this, that and so on. And one by one all dropped off. But suddenly I thought "So this process is actually duality". I mean rejection of this or that establish the attitude that there is something other than the Self. If I reject my current 'wakeful' experience then I must must that this experience is something other of my Self. So if it is not the Self than what it can be? If it is something other, even 'distorted reflection' of the Self, then this means that Self can be distorted which is even more absurd. What you think about these musings of mine?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 06, 2013, 04:54:27 PM
Dear Hari,

Through the process of duality only, one can attain non duality.  Bhakti and Jnana - both start from duality.  In bhakti,
I and God are different at the beginning.  Then finally there is only God and not me. See Verse 48 of AAMM. Similarly
in Jnana, firstly mind and the Self are different.  After jettisoning all the mind has (external looking etc.,) the mind comes
back to the Self and dissolves itself.

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 05:24:58 PM
Dear Hari, the purpose of neti neti is to realise that the YOU (Self) are really form less.  The real Self which you are, art not what you felt (the knowledge) you were, like the body, eyes, and so on. You discern that YOU are totally different, none of these, whose form is attribute-less, which cannot be defined or determined, it is inexpressible.

Not this, Not this, what is being negated is our definition of whatever we negate as neti neti. what is being negated is our definition, our understanding. The Self is indefinable, indiscernible. It is to realise this. Again realise this and finish it with neti neti. Neti Neti is just The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao.

You are not only this, not only this, but the whole of it. Your body is not only the heart, not only the liver, not only the eyes, not only the limbs, but the whole of it art you.

Like you are not the beeds in a string, not this bead, not this bead, but the whole of it all, art you.

Bhagavan says in Talks:

the wise man believes that the body cannot remain apart from
the Self. The Self is infinite for him and includes the body also.


Again the body is just our definition, like the hilarious videos 1 of yesterday, as a baby, you never knew anything, still fresh before being dumped with various knowledge.

You just cannot see anything without the interpretation of your knowledge. What you see with the interpretation of your knowledge you reject as neti neti.

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 05:25:38 PM
Dear Hari,

Through the process of duality only, one can attain non duality.  Bhakti and Jnana - both start from duality.  In bhakti,
I and God are different at the beginning.  Then finally there is only God and not me. See Verse 48 of AAMM. Similarly
in Jnana, firstly mind and the Self are different.  After jettisoning all the mind has (external looking etc.,) the mind comes
back to the Self and dissolves itself.

Arunachala Siva.   

Said in this way I can understand. But saying that the mind has not existed in the first place when it is here and now is somehow strange. Temporal or not it is here and now. But if we accept the mind, then we must accept that duality exists in reality, however temporally which however contradicts non-duality.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 05:30:50 PM
Dear Hari, the purpose of neti neti is to realise that the YOU (Self) are really form less.  The real Self which you are, art not what you felt (the knowledge) you were, like the body, eyes, and so on. You discern that YOU are totally different, none of these, whose form is attribute-less, which cannot be defined or determined, it is inexpressible.

Not this, Not this, what is being negated is our definition of whatever we negate as neti neti. what is being negated is our definition, our understanding. The Self is indefinable, indiscernible. It is to realise this. Again realise this and finish it with neti neti. Neti Neti is just The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao.

You are not only this, not only this, but the whole of it. Your body is not only the heart, not only the liver, not only the eyes, not only the limbs, but the whole of it art you.

Like you are not the beeds in a string, not this bead, not this bead, but the whole of it all, art you.

Bhagavan says in Talks:

the wise man believes that the body cannot remain apart from
the Self. The Self is infinite for him and includes the body also.


Again the body is just our definition, like the hilarious videos 1 of yesterday, as a baby, you never knew anything, still fresh before being dumped with various knowledge.

You just cannot see anything without the interpretation of your knowledge. What you see with the interpretation of your knowledge you reject as neti neti.

--

Dear Nagaraj,
let say I realize that all people are manifestation of my Self, not the ego, but my Self. So is it correct to say that the body I am is not mine too? Yes, I am not this particular body but the body must also be my Self.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 05:32:58 PM
let say I realize that all people are manifestation of my Self, not the ego, but my Self. So is it correct to say that the body I am is not mine too? Yes, I am not this particular body but the body must also be my Self.

Neti Neti, what ever you come out with Neti Neti it!

:)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 06, 2013, 05:34:27 PM
Dear Hari,

What is mind?  Mind is only a bundle of thoughts, thoughts about 'I' and 'mine', the world and people.  So when I say mind
you should understand that it is only thought.  If this outward looking thought, is turned within, then all thoughts dissolve
by consistent and persistent practice.  Instead of saying about the group of thoughts, we say mind.  For more elaboration,
see Upadesa Saram, Verse 16, 17 and 18. And also Who am I?

Since the 'I' thought is the primary thought from which other barrage of thoughts spring forth, Sri Bhagavan said: First
investigate the I thought.  See again verse 19 of Upadesa Saram.

Arunachala Siva. 
         
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 05:35:11 PM
In the process you are burning yourself out, like a matchstick! neti neti. Get destroyed! :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 05:37:43 PM
Dear Hari,

What is mind?  Mind is only a bundle of thoughts, thoughts about 'I' and 'mine', the world and people.  So when I say mind
you should understand that it is only thought.  If this outward looking thought, is turned within, then all thoughts dissolve
by consistent and persistent practice.  Instead of saying about the group of thoughts, we say mind.  For more elaboration,
see Upadesa Saram, Verse 16, 17 and 18. And also Who am I?

Since the 'I' thought is the primary thought from which other barrage of thoughts spring forth, Sri Bhagavan said: First
investigate the I thought.  See again verse 19 of Upadesa Saram.

Arunachala Siva. 
         

Yes, this is the mind. But the thoughts are there. They exist. So how can we say that they are not from the Self. Where they could come from?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 06, 2013, 05:38:36 PM
Dear Hari,

To say that I am not the body is only to advise you that you are ever the Self.  Here Sri Bhagavan says one cannot jettison
the body till the destiny decides about it.  But you can jettison the body consciousness, even now if you are mature enough
in Atma vichara.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
In the process you are burning yourself out, like a matchstick! neti neti. Get destroyed! :)

Something like, neti neti "neti neti" :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 06, 2013, 05:41:57 PM
Dear Hari,

All thoughts, whether good or bad come only from the Self. But THEY ARE NOT THE SELF.  The veil the Self like the clouds
veil the Sun.  One should try to overcome these clouds of thought.  That is why Sri Bhagavan said: Be still.

Arunachala Siva.     
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 05:43:52 PM
Something like, neti neti "neti neti" :D

Actually , you have come up with a profound observation, in the end neti neti, even neti neti! Thereafter, even to say Just Be, is corruption!

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
Dear Hari,

To say that I am not the body is only to advise you that you are ever the Self.  Here Sri Bhagavan says one cannot jettison
the body till the destiny decides about it.  But you can jettison the body consciousness, even now if you are mature enough
in Atma vichara.

Arunachala Siva.

Yes, yes, I can understand that very clearly and logically from for example sankhya perspective because it does not exclude prakriti (phenomenal world). But here we are talking about investigation of something that is not real! You talk about destiny. But how can you talk about destiny when it does not exist according to advaita? I think that I don't know express exactly and accurately what I mean but I will try in the next post.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 05:49:37 PM
Dear Hari,

All thoughts, whether good or bad come only from the Self. But THEY ARE NOT THE SELF.  The veil the Self like the clouds
veil the Sun.  One should try to overcome these clouds of thought.  That is why Sri Bhagavan said: Be still.

Arunachala Siva.     

But accepting thoughts as something different from the Self and at the same time coming from the Self then there is something other than the Self which is duality! This is what troubles me.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 05:52:14 PM
Something like, neti neti "neti neti" :D

Actually , you have come up with a profound observation, in the end neti neti, even neti neti! Thereafter, even to say Just Be, is corruption!

--

Yes. More and more thinking and analyzing the Advaita philosophy which I thought it is perfect. More and more I see it is not so. And more and more I realize why Bhagavan was almost always quiet.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
Hari, Socrates expressed -

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.

I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance.



The Self has nothing to know, for it itself is unknowable!

The nature of Self is Not Known!

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 05:56:15 PM
Hari, Socrates expressed -

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.

I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance.

The Self has nothing to know, for it itself is unknowable!

The nature of Self is Not Known!

--

Now my mind is thinking about Socrates: "Wisest man on earth" :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
So Hari,

we now can know, and express about what Self is Not, but it would be a folly to express about the Self itself! We know that Self is none of what we may know or feel or say!

Therefore by not knowing, we really know! This is the real Knowing!

There is a saying in Kena Upanishad and a saying in tamil, those who have seen, have seen not, and those who have not seen, have really seen it!

:)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 06:07:50 PM
Hari,

some time back, i came to this conclusion. i have expressed in my musings -

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg41698#msg41698 (http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg41698#msg41698)

Stray Thoughts...

Faith in Guru increases as the dependence on the Guru reduces.

True knowing is really not knowing.

New found clarity does not last for ever.

Unknown is truly the only known.

Parents are truly the only Pratyaksha Deva (Visible God)


This is not any self marketing, just reliving my those moments... as this present context is perfectly results in this!

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 06:13:13 PM
Yes, Sri Nagaraj. :)
There is another thing which troubles me but it apparently does not trouble anyone of the people here. And it is about bhaktas. The bhaktas really love God and they do what they do for eternal 'relationship' with the Lord. They long for eternal bhakti - christians, muslims, hare krishnas, shaiva siddhantas and so on. But Advaita philosophy 'deny' it. It tells that such people are ignorant, that this kind of bhakti cannot give them emancipation. That sooner or later they must 'drop off' the Image of the Lord and so on. This somehow ruins my view of the 'tolerant attitude' of Advaita. This is first. Second, Advaita says that the Ishvara is not eternal. So this again 'offends' bhaktas saying that they worship some changeable Entity.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 06:17:10 PM
Hari,

some time back, i came to this conclusion. i have expressed in my musings -

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg41698#msg41698 (http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg41698#msg41698)

Stray Thoughts...

Faith in Guru increases as the dependence on the Guru reduces.

True knowing is really not knowing.

New found clarity does not last for ever.

Unknown is truly the only known.

Parents are truly the only Pratyaksha Deva (Visible God)


This is not any self marketing, just reliving my those moments... as this present context is perfectly results in this!



Something like :) :

A student went to his meditation teacher and said, "My meditation is horrible! I feel so distracted, or my legs ache, or I'm constantly falling asleep. It's just horrible!"

"It will pass," the teacher said matter-of-factly.

A week later, the student came back to his teacher. "My meditation is wonderful! I feel so aware, so peaceful, so alive! It's just wonderful!'

"It will pass," the teacher replied matter-of-factly.

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 06, 2013, 06:17:56 PM
Dear Hari,

Clouds are there.  They only veil the Sun.  But at the same time they are also coming from the Sun.  The Sun heats the oceans.
and from that clouds rise and clouds give rains.  But the clouds are not the Sun.  Sun is quite far from the earth.  But the
clouds come due to Sun.  Clouds are not Sun.  When the clouds go away, the Sun reveals all its l brightness.


Arunachala Siva.     
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 06:38:38 PM
Hari,

Truly, Advaita Siddhanta has no problems with any path. This is why classic advaita followers reject the neo advaitins. Classic traditional followers celebrate life, celebrate everything. Also Hari, it matters who says what! Why really bother ourselves what many may have to say in the streets and markets? What matters is what those persons have said whom we see in our heart. What matters is what Bhagavan has said, what Jesus has said what Ramakrishna has said, what Buddha has said, what Krishna has said, what Dalai Lama has said. Over all WHAT YOUR HEART SAYS! why bother about all other sundry tom dick and harry? :D

Even when i said all the above persons, put the head of Bhagavan the hands of Jesus, the Torso of Ramakrishna, the legs of Buddha the eyes of Jesus the ears of ... see them as ONE. What each one has said ought to be seen together. Compile one single book of Vedas Bible, Buddha, Gita, Quran as ONE.

Today i observed, Hari, that Bhakti is the prasadam of attainment/Jnana, Bhakti cannot be practiced, it is a boon given, it is flower that blooms upon the descent of grace. Only the rare ones are blessed with it. Only Jnani is Bhakta and only Bhakta is a Jnani

Therefore, what people really claim Bhakti is not really Bhakti. If you can re visit the bhakti story posted in Bhagavatam, we can see the essence of True Bhakti.

Just Bhakti is incomplete without Jnana and Vairagya - Only together it becomes Complete Bhakti
Just Jnana is incomplete without Bhakti and Vairagya - Only together it becomes Complete Jnana
Just Vairagya is incomplete without Bhakti and Jnana - Only together it becomes Complete Vairagya



Some other random thoughts:

Sanyasam is true Bhakti. Sanyasa is to celebrate life, celebrate everything. Even the taking of Sanyasa is not of renunciation, but of acceptance, of all embracing, it is not renunciation actually, sanyasa is surrendering of narrow mindedness and all embracing.

Sanyasa is discarding the limitations and embracing the unlimitedness. Sanyasa is True Bhakti. Sanyasa is like erasing a black dod in a plain white paper, when it is erased, what remains is just plain white unlimited paper as the sky.

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 07:08:07 PM
Yes, Sri Nagaraj but see how I look this.
Everyone wants to follow his/her own ideal. And everyone is searching an ideal which is perfection itself, which is beyond time and space, beyond change and so on. So people who worship Krishna or Rama they see in them the eternal Name, Form, the Creator and so on. How does one feel in your opinion if you tell him/her that Rama and Krishna's Forms are Maya, are temporal, that They exist only until you exist and so on. Don't you think that this offends their ideal for Rama and Krishna? And how could such devotee to worship TRULY a God Who is not eternal? This immediately injure the faith and enthusiasm and make you even more sad because if this is true than even God one day will 'leave' you.  I hope you got my point.

P.S. I agree completely with your last post. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 07:24:04 PM
Dear Hari, let there be space for both. Let each of us follow our own ideal. If somebody doesn't believe in A, so be it, and if you are uncomfortable in B, so be it. Let it be as it is. each one need not change for the other, and there need not be any consensus between anybody or any groups.

The problem arises when each one speaks their ideal and truly speaking happens only in half journey. If each one truly realises ones ideal, such a one will simply remain silent. Remaining silent is not really not getting involved or rather remaining like Ramana or Ramakrishna, such one will exhibit his own uniqueness.
 
Moreover all these happen half way, where either of the parties have not realised their own ideal. If one at least have realised their ideal, there would not be any issue.

Also. Each one sees in the eyes of the other. In Fact, it is just yourself who art seeing in the eyes of the opposite party as well., If you realise this, we repose and will not have any issues :) That everyone wants to follow his/her own ideal is also your own observation, is it not? it is how you have observed. Everything is our own making in the end.

As Bhagavan says, if each mind their own business all will be well. :)

Getting ourselves involved in other peoples journeys actually in in some ways an adultery.

Nobody is going to get any confirmation from anybody, ultimately each one is ones own conformer. One has to be content with ones own intelligence within, purified, polished and humble!

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 07:27:24 PM
So this means that there is not right and wrong path and philosophy. If it is so I completely agree, no matter that there is no any logic in that assumption. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 06, 2013, 07:31:03 PM
Just gracefully Unconditional!

:)

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 08:30:03 PM
Om Shanti! Shanti! Shanti! :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 06, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand. My Father, which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand. I and my Father are one."
[Lord Jesus Christ]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on September 07, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
Hari,

 
Quote
How does one feel in your opinion if you tell him/her that Rama and Krishna's Forms are Maya, are temporal, that They exist only until you exist and so on. Don't you think that this offends their ideal for Rama and Krishna? And how could such devotee to worship TRULY a God Who is not eternal? This immediately injure the faith and enthusiasm and make you even more sad because if this is true than even God one day will 'leave' you.  I hope you got my point.


You may like to  go through my posts in response to one who called himself as 'Z' in David's blog -'Imaginary' Bhakti versus 'Rational' Jnana.you may have to wade through the maze of other posts!Hope it will be of some help.
 http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.in/2011/05/open-thread.html?commentPage=6 (http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.in/2011/05/open-thread.html?commentPage=6)

The Devotee 'Z' is an admirer of U G Krishnamurthy;Yet he  could not entirely dismiss Sri Ramakrishna's sayings and life as well!Z is an Indian now residing in UK.He is quite conversant with the 'Traditional' and culture of India.I have taken this Background of his ,and has quoted extensively from Kanchi Mahaswami's writings on 'Soundarya lahari'.This may be a little bit of distracting stuff for you.It will suffice to say that Kanchi Mahaswami explains how all the 'Rational' arguements that are employed in the path of Jnana are in vain if they are applied to the path of Bhakti.The path of Bhakti  is validated in its own way and does not need any other prop by way of rationalization.In fact Rationalizations smother the flame of Bhakti(Please note that we are discussing the Path or approach and there is definitely a Difference here.We cannot be brushing it aside by the cliched statement-Jnana is Bhakti and Bhakti is jnana)

Namaskar
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 04:12:29 PM
Sri Ravi, very interesting! Thank you very much! I agree with what you have written!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 04:40:16 PM
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:) :) :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 04:46:12 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 04:48:26 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father Who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."
[Lord Jesus Christ]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 07, 2013, 05:30:20 PM
It is very easy to say, “Hate nobody, resist not
evil,” but we know what that kind of thing
generally means in practice. When the eyes of
society are turned towards us, we may make a
show of non-resistance, but in our hearts it is
canker all the time….. This is hypocrisy and will
serve no purpose.

(Swami Vivekananda)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 05:39:42 PM
"With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
[Lord Jesus Christ]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 07, 2013, 05:44:38 PM
God!

Thats where all problems begin is it not: :D

Is he the Self, Is he different from us, is he reached by devotion or jnana or something else? duality non-duality etc...

yea Hari, its true... but even this also is true. Whats life if there is no difference? whats white if there is no black! what is peace if there is no disturbance!

All are part of the whole plan! we fight with our brothers, it doesn't mean we dont love each other. we beat, argue, fight, still we love.

Please dont deny the right to fight! this also is fun!

:D

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 05:49:37 PM
I myself do not like quarrels and fights. I have never fought and I hope I will never do. But yeah, couple who are friends of mine fight every day and still they love each either. Strange is God's Leela! :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on September 07, 2013, 05:50:55 PM
"Good manners without sincerity are like a beautiful dead lady," he remarked on suitable occasion. "Straightforwardness without civility is like a surgeon's knife, effective but unpleasant. Candor with courtesy is helpful and admirable.

Sri Yukteswar as quoted by Paramahansa yogananda
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 05:52:39 PM
Haha, how strange!!! I was just going to quotes Sri Yukteshwar and Sri Lahiri Mahasaya. :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on September 07, 2013, 05:54:46 PM
Forget the past. The vanished lives of all men are dark with many shames. Human conduct is ever unreliable until man is anchored in the Divine. Everything in future will improve if you are making a spiritual effort now.

Paramahansa yogananda mentions the above saying of Sri Yukteswar as the most inspirational one among the quotes of his master in the book-Autobiography of a yogi.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 05:55:34 PM
"Forget the past. The vanished lives of all men are dark with many shames. Human conduct is ever unreliable until man is anchored in the Divine. Everything in future will improve if you are making a spiritual effort now."
[Sri Yukteshwar]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 06:05:59 PM
108 Pieces of Advice From Lahiri Mahasaya
Source unknown ( from internet)

1. Kriya is Truth, and the rest is false.
2. Practicing Kriya is the study of the Vedas. Kriya is jagya [performance of Vedic rituals]. All should perform this jagya.
3. All Devatas, gods, practice these Kriyas. One who practices Kriya is a Devata.
4. One should practice Pranayama very seriously and sincerely.
5. Kriya practice opens the Eye of Wisdom.
6. The Knowledge of Brahma, the ultimate Self, is attained by the practice of Pranayama.
7. Ignorance is removed automatically when the Kriya practice is perfect.
8. By the practice of Pranayama, ignorance is dispelled and Knowledge of the Self reveals.
9. One who does not see Kutastha [the inner Self between the eyebrows] with the help of Guru's advice in this physical body is a blind person.
10. That which saves one from the mind [restless breath], or manasa, is called Mantra; that which saves one from the attachment of body is called Tantra.
11. The transcendence of inhaling and exhaling is called Kebala Kumbhaka.
12. The practice of Khecharimudra brings victory over the senses.
13. When the tongue is raised, the senses are subdued.
14. If one attains the stabilized state in Khecharimudra, then he attains the state of samadhi.
15. One whose Khechari is successful is fortunate.
16. OM is radiant Light. When this Light is spread throughout the body, all is seen; then, there is no desire to speak and to look.
17. Air [Breath] is Lord.
18. When one continues to refine brown sugar, finally it becomes white. Similarly, continued Kriya practice brings Pranayama to perfection.
19. If one moves the breath [practices Pranayama] always, breath ceases and becomes tranquil, sthira.
20. The state of Sthirattva, Tranquility, is called Yoga.
21. Practice Kriya as long as possible sitting in one asana at least once a day.
22. If one strikes the door with the reverse air then it will open. This is called reverse japam.
[That is, tranquilizing apana, the restless breath of the lower centers, and bringing up at the dorsal center and then if one strikes (makes thokar) according to the advice, then the inner Door will open].
23. Having practiced Kriya, one should hold onto the After-effect-poise of Kriya.
24. You will receive results according to your Kriya practice.
25. If you feel pain [during the Kriya practice] in the body, then understand that the practice is not going well.
26. The real work is to tune to meditation in Voidness [on the fifth element, ether] leaving three nerves: ida, pingala, susumna and four elements: khiti. apa, teja, and marut, respectively, earth, water, fire, and air.
27. When the mind is tranquil, it does not desire unnecessarily. At the state of beyond desire, one does not perform unnecessary works.
28. When one has attained the tranquil Breath, then, for him, the only work which remains is to hold onto the state of tranquility always.
29. It is difficult to express the state when the breath becomes tranquil, Sthira.
30. When the breath is tranquil day and night, then, one realizes the real state of Rama Mantra.
31. When the breath is tranquil, it is the state of Kumbhaka. When one sees Oneself, it is called Brahmajnana, "the Knowledge of Brahma, the ultimate Self."
32. There is no need to breath in or out. It is a much happier state; tranquility is there; this is Brahma.
33. One becomes Brahma when one becomes desireless
[Lahiri Mahasay's meditative life with Kriya was from 1861 to 1873. The following dates are found in his notebook:
34. May 13, 1873 - Whatever one wants to do, he can do.
35. June 29, 1873 - I entered inside [the Spinal Cord] a little bit.
36. July 16, 1873 - The senses disturb today. I must renounce all desires and dissolve myself.
37. The senses are obstructions; Transcending them by the practice of Praanam and Omkar Kriyas, today, I have to dissolve perfectly. This is the only work for me.
38. It does not matter, if life departs from the physical body. I must practice Kriya with all my heart.
39. Kriya practice brings divine wealth, that is, Sthirattva, the state of Tranquility.
40. Aug 13, 1873 - Now, always remain in Kumbhaka. This is the form of Mahadeva, Lord Siva; head was always heavy, the eyes were drawn above; this state does not break when inhaling is done; at that time, silence is very beneficial.
41. One can see all the deities if one withdraws the restless mind and makes inward himself in the Kutastha.
42. I saw Radhaji [consort of Krishna] at the base of the inner Sound.
43. The sun is Kali (Goddess Kali), I myself am Kali. Thinking about Kali I become Kali. Now I will be father of Kali, Brahma, the ultimate Self.
44. The sun is Kali [Goddess Kali], and I am what I am.
45. Aug 13, 1873 - Today, I became Mahapurusa, "the great man."
46. Aug 17, 1873 - I am Mahapurusa. In the sun I saw that I myself am Brahma, the ultimate Self.
47. Aug 18, 1873 - The world is revealed from my form. I myself am the only Purusa, the supreme Being.
48. Aug 18, 1873 - The world is revealed from my form. I myself am the only Purusa, the Self; there is nobody else.
49. Aug 22, 1873 - I myself am Adi Purusa Bhagavan, the first Lord.
50. Aug 23, 1873 - Whatever I say is Veda. Know it for certain.
51. I saw four Vedas, Brahma, Visnu, and Maheswar (Lord Siva) inside the Yoni [between the eyebrows].
52. I saw a blue color in the light; in the blue, I saw a white Spot (Bindu); and in the white Spot, I saw a man who manifested himself as a Hindu, English man, etc.
53. I saw thousands of Krishna’s.
54. I saw the greater Krishna.
55. Aug 24, 1873 - I myself am Lord Krishna.
56. Aug 25, 1873 - I myself am the Aksara Purusa, the eternal Being.
[It may be mentioned here that each rhythm of Consciousness of the seeker in the process of merging with the ultimate Self is a state of deity, or devata till he merges completely in Oneness with Brahma.]
57. Oct 3, 1873 - I am the sun, the Mahadeva, the first cause.
58. Nov 12, 1873 - I myself am Mahapurusa Purusottam, "the great Self, the supreme Being."
59. Aug 15, 1874 - It is not possible to achieve Abhaya pada, "the state of fearlessness" without the help of Guru. One must hold onto Oneself at the house of Tranquility, without which, one cannot achieve the Abhaya pada, the eternal Realization of the ultimate Self.
60. My form is everywhere; there is nobody except me, and that form is in Void. There is no day and night there.
61. If you take shelter in me with true faith, then, I have to come to you. How can I stay far away?
62. I remain present near one who practices Kriya.
63. If you write in reverse order and see it in the mirror, it looks straight. Similarly, if you make reverse the breath of the body, then you will see Swarupa, the form of your self.
64. Dualism is the root of all suffering.
65. Restless is manifestation, and Sthirattva, Tranquility, is Lord Siva.
66. You yourself do not know what will render you good.
67. If the strain is generated on the lips, throat, and teeth by the practice of Pranayama, then the knowledge is called Bhakti, or devotion.
68. Whatever one thinks at the time of death, accordingly one becomes that; likewise, if you become Satchitananda at the time of leaving the body, then, you become yourself, the ultimate Self.
69. Who is Kabir? He is sun, and he is Brahma, myself.
[These names are found from his notebook].
70. In Satyayuga Lahiri Mahasay was born as Satyasukrita, in tretayuga he was Munindra; in dwaparayuga Karunamaya; and in kaliyuga he was Kabir. Later, he became Shyama Charan.
71. If one meditates always on the Lord, all his other works are taken care of by the Lord Himself.
72. If people want to go away, let them go away; but you should remain firm in your practice. Then, at the end, you will go into the house of Sthirattva, Tranquility.
73. The movement is called world.
74. Applying body, mind, and speech in action is called Ahingsa [Non- violence].
75. Animals are enchanted by music; if man is not attracted by the sound of OM, then he is an ass.
76. Beyond the five senses there is mind, that is breath; beyond the mind there is buddhi, that is bindu, or spot [in between the eyebrows]; beyond the bindu, Brahma, the ultimate Self, is the Pure Void, and Formless.
77. Woman is the destroyer of man. Do not look at her, at any cost.
[The sun of the self, that is, sound, is referred to here as man; and the jyoti, light of the self, is referred to as woman. In other words, do not be interested in the play of jyoti, or develop attachment to the inner visions; after all, visions are secondary and are not inner Realization.
[It is sound, Om, or Nada, which helps the seeker to go beyond bindu and merge into Oneness with Brahma, the ultimate Self].
78. I saw a pure Void, that is Brahma, the ultimate Self. The mind must be dissolved in It.
79. Mind should not be made outward. What's the benefit if the mind and the eyes are tranquil and not the body? Today, the breath does not come out, and a lot of addictions are generated.
80. Merging in pure Voidness is called Samadhi.
81. Beyond Purusottam, the supreme Being, there is Brahma, the ultimate Self.
82. Without being niskama, that is, totally detached, there is no possibility to be merged in Brahma.
[When the seer destroys his character as seer and becomes one with the ultimate Self, then dualism is dissolved].
83. Voidness which is inside voidness is called great Voidness, Brahma.
84. Satyayuga is the After-effect-poise of Kriya; tretayuga is the temporary After-effect-poise of Kriya; dwaparayuga is to practice Kriya; and when one does not practice I, it is kaliyuga for him.
85. When one transcends Basu, desires, he becomes Dev, the Lord; that is, he becomes Basudev, or Lord Krishna.
86. One becomes Basudev when the basanas, the desires, are transcended. He is the Lord.
87. A liar who cannot keep his word is not a good man; his father, that is, his Lord is also no good.
88. The essence of Rama-mantra is to place the tongue into Talabya Kriya and continue to listen the sound of Om.
89. Inside this body there is another body which is somewhat black.
90. Knowledge of the ultimate Self is to know Oneself by oneself.
91. Looking at the middle of the forehead, which is above the nose and eyebrows, is a bit difficult; if one stabilizes on this, he attains the state of Samadhi.
92. Till Bhishma [grandfather of Kaurava and Pandava], that is, fear [in the light of Kriya Bhisma means fear of practicing Kriya], receives three arrows, that is, ida, pingala and susumna in his head [unite in the Kutastha], never becomes Sthira, tranquil; One should practice Kriya courageously.
93. Nobody is a sinner; no one is holy either; if the mind is put into the Kutastha, then, there is no sin; otherwise, if the mind is outward, there is sin; in other words, when the mind is not in the Kutastha, it is in sin.
94. The old father [Babaji] is Lord Krishna.
95. I saw Saptarsi, seven Yogis (Bhrigu, Atri, Angira, Marichi, Pulastya, Pulaha, and Kratu; and four Manus (Sanaka, Sananda, Sanatan, and Sanat Kumar].
96. All sins are destroyed at the After-effect-poise of Kriya.
97. Avidya, ignorance, is the outward state of mind; Bidya, Knowledge, is the After-effect-poise of Kriya.
98. One who practices Pranayama, truly loves all beings.
99. Slowly, slowly, all works are being done. 100. Worldly beautiful things are poisonous. If you see them outwardly, they attract you; but if you see them inwardly, then, they are renounced. This is maya, or restlessness.
101. Let others go as they please, but you continue to practice Kriya; It will render you good; You will achieve the state of Tranquility, Sthirattva.
102. One can say everything when the Kriya practice continues spontaneously at the six centers.
103. Nobody is a sinner; the mind itself is the sinner when it becomes outward away from the Kutastha.
104. Tranquil Moment beyond breath is Allah, that is, the House of Tranquility.
105. Brahma is Pure; It has not come out from anything; in other words, Brahma is ever Pure and Brahma is never tasted before by anyone.
[Tasting something is possible from the state of dualism. But if one becomes one with Brahma, one becomes Brahma himself. So there is no possibility to taste Brahma. As a result, Brahma remains ever untasted, Pure].
106. Do not be idle. Practice Kriya. Do not wait for advice to practice Kriya.
107. Exhaust your breath in practicing Kriya. Eventually breath will be Sthira, Tranquil.
108. All realization is possible by the practice of the First Kriya. One is required to practice strictly according to the instructions received from one's Guru personally.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on September 07, 2013, 06:21:03 PM
Hari/nagaraj/friends,
'The Blissful devotee and his cosmic Romance'-is one of the most delightful chapters that i always relish reading over and over again.This is about 'M'(The author of The gospel of Sri Ramakrishna) and how yogananda met him and enjoyed being in his company.

This is what 'M' tells him:
Quote
"I am not your guru; he shall come a little later," he told me. "Through his guidance, your experiences of the Divine in terms of love and devotion shall be translated into his terms of fathomless wisdom."

Yogananda subsequently meets Sri Yukteswar,his Guru.The above quotation is quite pregnant and to understand it we need to read how Sri Yukteswar trained Yogananda in his sadhana.

A living Guru in flesh and blood (like what our friend nagaraj has said)can truly point defects that otherwise are lurking in us-and certainly the advantage of such a relationship cannot be denied or wished away.It certainly is not an easy thing to serve such a one or to be in his company.
It is Satchidananda that is the Guru-Living (in flesh and Blood)or otherwise.Only the onus is  on the Devotee,more so when he is guided by the inner Guru.

Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2013, 07:41:02 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on September 07, 2013, 10:13:29 PM
 
The Gospel of Strength
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2013, 03:19:15 PM »
Great saints are the object-lessons of the Principle. But the disciples make the saint the Principle, and then they forget the Principle in the person.

Inspired Talks-swami vivekananda
 
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about."
[Rumi]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 11:03:48 AM
"Life is more or less a lie, but then again, that's exactly the way we want it to be."
[Bob Dylan]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 11:13:00 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 11:18:12 AM
"To Do Today, 1/17/08
1. Sit and think
2. Reach enlightenment
3. Feed the cats"

[Jarod Kintz]
:)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 11:20:44 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 11:26:37 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 11:40:16 AM
This morning again I found something which troubles me. I haven't realized it to this day. It is about the 'origin' of the world. Saying that the world comes from me, that it exists only until I exist, disappears in deep sleep and so on is just solipsism. To say that existence of others depends on me is somehow not right in my heart. Where is the borderline between solipsism and Advaita?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 02:42:19 PM
Some thoughts, please?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 04:40:06 PM
:D

Hari, these questions are tricky and have no really written answers, and even if there are, may not necessarily be satisfactory!

I would like present some abstract thoughts, which may be of some solace.

The world is part of the body. The body is inclusive of the world, or, the world is inclusive of the body!

Truly, solipsism is for whom? its for the mind! The Self itself is not bothered if its there or not there! What is seen through mind is solipsism and when mind is sacrificed, there is the end of solipsism.

Just look at the plain night sky, before we knew what it was, what was it? Then we were told about the sky, and the sky was seen, then we were told about the stars, and the stars were seen, then we were told about zodiacs and we began to see the zodiacs in the stars and so on. So in such sense, it is said the world arises from you.

Do not bother much about these Hari, The Sages as i have understood mean to say that learn, discern that you are not this world as seen, you are not this body as see, and so on. You are free to play, thereafter!

The Upanishads have said and Bhagavan has said in his talks:

The world is only lokah, lokah = lokyate iti lokah (what is perceived is the world). That which is seen is lokah or the world. Which is the eye that sees it? That is the ego which rises and sinks periodically. But you exist always. Therefore That which lies beyond the ego is consciousness - the Self.

The Sages, the Vedas, have only revealed to us thus far, as to showing us that we are not not is seen, but we are the Seer, that is beyond! They never went to really say about the nature of that Seer, what it does, and so on --> these are just the speculations of mind!

The Sages were only giving out the message to discern and just know what you come across art not Thyself! That is all!

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 04:45:40 PM
The Samskrut word 'prapancha' - a term used to describe the world or the universe, simply means, that which is seen through the 5 senses is prapancha, pancha means 5, and pra may mean anything like that which shines, shows and so on.

Suppose one of the senses is cut off, that sense of the world dies, if you loose your eyes, you no longer see the world, if you loose your ears you no longer hear the world, if you loose the tongue sensation, you can no longer taste the world, if you loose the touch sensation, you can no longer feel the world.

In addition, if you perhaps had an additional sense perception, we may have perceived the world in that sense.

(inspired thoughts)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 05:12:58 PM
The point is that it is somehow not right even logically to say that I (my body, feelings and so on) are real but others are not. That only I have mind and the people are just my creation. This is somehow not wisdom but huge egoism in my view. So some of Advaita's claims do not sound right. And even they are illusion after all. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 05:16:56 PM
Follow your heart, Hari, we have to find our own truth, if it matches or not with some siddhanta is of any irrelevance.

We all have to jump into the waters and see for ourselves! no matter how much we may describe the taste of tea, unless one drinks it, he does not know!

find your own truth, don't be limited by advaita or dvaita or shunya... who knows may be you may discover a new siddhantaa, in good spirit! :)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 05:20:20 PM
Hari, here is a Buddha quote, you are aware off:

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

just do so in good spirit! 'Stop not till the goal is reached' - Swami Vivekananda
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 05:52:16 PM
This is not the point what I want. The point is that I could not have good spirit accepting that I am talking to ghosts in my head (you, my parents and so on). :)

You are right. And Lord Buddha's advice is the best advice given by a human. It does not mean to reject everything but to test it and to see by ourselves.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 05:58:00 PM
This is not the point what I want. The point is that I could not have good spirit accepting that I am talking to ghosts in my head (you, my parents and so on). :)

haha :D but in one ways it is true, even if they are all not ghosts for now, they are all prospective ghosts, as nothing lasts. what is there today may not be there tomorrow. So they say, do not depend on them, that is all! This is only known as maya, that knowing very well that they all don't last forever, still one latches onto such dependence!

nice conversing with you Hari, they are simply matter of fact! no loads to carry and prove something! :)

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 06:06:27 PM
ground reality, Hari is that, we may not know the final conclusion, but what we are experienceing as of now, what we seem to know as of now is just as good as watching a cinema. It is as real as the span of the movie. Moreover it is so real to the extent of our involvement in it.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 06:07:28 PM
ground reality, Hari is that, we may not know the final conclusion, but what we are experienceing as of now, what we seem to know as of now is just as good as watching a cinema. It is as real as the span of the movie. Moreover it is so real to the extent of our involvement in it.

--

Exactly :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 06:11:49 PM
There is another thing which I was thinking. Are we really believe by heart that the world and everything is unreal. Yes, I have 'preaching' about unreality till now. But suddenly I really accepted the real possibility of unreality of everything. At this moment it became problem. Till now it was just a concept. I was asking myself "can someone accept and have no problems with this 'theory' if he/she really believe and accept it?" I didn't know what to answer to myself. Can the ego really accept its unreality. Somehow I doubt it. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 06:14:30 PM
And this discernment, of the transient nature of 'things' (include everything we are in relation with sentient and non sentient beings), makes us live better, love better, experience with full involvement!

Suppose you know you were going to die, what would you do? this takes us in the shoes of Parikshit, who was supposed to die in 7 days by being biiten by a deadly snake due to a curse by a Sage. Would it make us live better? and is this not the nearest responsibility?

Self is already known, realised, we really need do nothing to attain it! But, this now becomes a call to live well as to where we are as of now!

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 06:16:56 PM
There is another thing which I was thinking. Are we really believe by heart that the world and everything is unreal. Yes, I have 'preaching' about unreality till now. But suddenly I really accepted the real possibility of unreality of everything. At this moment it became problem. Till now it was just a concept. I was asking myself "can someone accept and have no problems with this 'theory' if he/she really believe and accept it?" I didn't know what to answer to myself. Can the ego really accept its unreality. Somehow I doubt it. :)

Hari, honestly, in my own direct experience, i see clearly, just the transient nature of the world, not the unreality of it! this unreality bit is illusion! i discern that the biggest illusion is illusion itself!

What is unreality? unreality itself is an illusion, there is nothing that is unreal! Everything is REAL, Everything is REAL.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 06:25:43 PM
There is another thing which I was thinking. Are we really believe by heart that the world and everything is unreal. Yes, I have 'preaching' about unreality till now. But suddenly I really accepted the real possibility of unreality of everything. At this moment it became problem. Till now it was just a concept. I was asking myself "can someone accept and have no problems with this 'theory' if he/she really believe and accept it?" I didn't know what to answer to myself. Can the ego really accept its unreality. Somehow I doubt it. :)

Hari, honestly, in my own direct experience, i see clearly, just the transient nature of the world, not the unreality of it! this unreality bit is illusion! i discern that the biggest illusion is illusion itself!

What is unreality? unreality itself is an illusion, there is nothing that is unreal! Everything is REAL, Everything is REAL.

--

This all-embracing "Everything is real. Everything God" makes me happy. The notion "Everything is illusion. Everything is Maya" makes me sad. The first notion is fullness. The second is nothingness. Accepting everything with happiness as Sri Krishna taught I prefer than rejecting everything and feeling sad and strangulated. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 06:30:46 PM
This all-embracing "Everything is real. Everything God" makes me happy. The notion "Everything is illusion. Everything is Maya" makes me sad. The first notion is fullness. The second is nothingness. Accepting everything with happiness as Sri Krishna taught I prefer than rejecting everything and feeling sad and strangulated. :)

yes Hari, do we need to specially affirm that which is not, as NOT, that which is unreal as Unreal? does it make any sense? it does not make sense to say that zero has no value, it is self inferred, this inference is also unnecessary!

What is Real now, everything is connected with me --> us, here it becomes applicable what Jesus and others have expressed such as love Thy neighbor as thyself, as thy neighbor is thyself and so on in the likes.

We are just unable to give up what is really UNREAL and cling on to the Unreal!

Reality is affirmative as you have beautifully expressed  -- >"Everything is real. Everything God" makes me happy. The notion "Everything is illusion. Everything is Maya" makes me sad.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 06:38:22 PM
It is like to make a journey and to bring stones instead of food. If we make the journey (Self-enquiry or whatever) what is the use of taking stone (accepting theories which injure our well-being) than taking food (accepting theories and practices which are useful for our well-being and make us happy). Stones and food are there as long as we arrive at the destination. There we will not need them (we didn't need the stones in the first place, except may be to kill someone on the road :D). At the final destination there is everything we need. This is just my thought.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 06:42:23 PM
:D nice analogy!

If we notice very carefully, we are bringing stones because there is publicity for stones, as we hear and read that stones are very precious!

your observations are not to be seen just as simple thing, what you have observed is true!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 06:49:55 PM
Stray thoughts...

There is nothing more than just what is, as it is, without our interpretations!

--
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 06:51:23 PM
This reminded me for a argue I had with a friend. He judged the mormons for being in delusion, stupid because they believe that Lord Jesus came to America after His resurrection, saved many people, that Indians are actually Jews who went to America  thousands of years ago and so on. He said that Joseph Smith cannot be prophet. Where are the golden tablets he was talking about. Then I asked him "Ok. If this is your criterium, then prove me that all Bible stories are true. He immediately attacked "Read the Bible. Everything is proven by science." Then I asked him "Show me the evidence". He couldn't. So he and mormons are fighting each other and nobody can prove their own stance. :) So what can be achieved by such arguments? :) It is the same with everything else in spirituality. We cannot prove our stance but we continue to defend it. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 06:57:49 PM
true, that is an issue, we look for confirmation outside of our heart. why we need to prove something to somebody n first place? this itself springs from ignorance, borrowed from some ignorance, and there begins rat race/

Sometimes, things are beautiful, left as they are, there need not be answers for somethings!

Somethings, the real answers are 'no answers' and we must be willing to accept this as well!

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 07:00:46 PM
true, that is an issue, we look for confirmation outside of our heart. why we need to prove something to somebody n first place? this itself springs from ignorance, borrowed from some ignorance, and there begins rat race/

Sometimes, things are beautiful, left as they are, there need not be answers for somethings!

Somethings, the real answers are 'no answers' and we must be willing to accept this as well!

--

Because this is the way the ego acts. Its self-rightousness, confidence and progress is by 'eating' and destroying everything of its path, literally and metaphorically. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
Because this is the way the ego acts. Its self-rightousness, confidence and progress is by 'eating' and destroying everything of its path, literally and metaphorically. :)

so much pain, as the ego doesn't realise it is devouring itself !

Like the dog that bites a raw bone to the extant of tasing its own blood of its mouth!

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 07:04:15 PM
Stray thoughts...

There is nothing more than just what is, as it is, without our interpretations!

--

Absolutely agree! But this can only happen when the mind is 'empty' of judgmental and categorizing thoughts, just observing everything as it is.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 07:06:57 PM
There is nothing more than just what is, as it is, without our interpretations!


Absolutely agree! But this can only happen when the mind is 'empty' of judgmental and categorizing thoughts, just observing everything as it is.

but yet again, without interpretation, we will be dead meat!

Perhaps what is required is cultured interpretation! If there is interpretation!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 07:08:27 PM
Because this is the way the ego acts. Its self-rightousness, confidence and progress is by 'eating' and destroying everything of its path, literally and metaphorically. :)

so much pain, as the ego doesn't realise it is devouring itself !

Like the dog that bites a raw bone to the extant of tasing its own blood of its mouth!

Exactly.

But what is the way to dissolve the ego. If we do some 'thing' to get rid of it we actually feed it in another direction. If we do nothing, then we again feed it. I think that we can do nothing to get rid of it. It can be done only by God. :) I may be wrong but this is how I think now.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 07:10:04 PM
But what is the way to dissolve the ego. If we do some 'thing' to get rid of it we actually feed it in another direction. If we do nothing, then we again feed it. I think that we can do nothing to get rid of it. It can be done only by God. :) I may be wrong but this is how I think now.

well, as i can see, it is being dissolved now, this very moment!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 07:11:44 PM
we are doing yet not doing!

these conversations, simply matter of fact !

inadvertently!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 07:15:02 PM
we are doing yet not doing!

these conversations, simply matter of fact !

inadvertently!

This is exactly what I had to write to you. :) I think so because during this conversation I didn't have a thought about myself although I talked about myself. :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 07:17:43 PM
This is exactly what I had to write to you. :) I think so because during this conversation I didn't have a thought about myself although I talked about myself. :D


i have to reply the same, as it is! during this conversation I didn't have a thought about myself although I talked about myself :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 07:20:39 PM
This is exactly what I had to write to you. :) I think so because during this conversation I didn't have a thought about myself although I talked about myself. :D


i have to reply the same, as it is! during this conversation I didn't have a thought about myself although I talked about myself :D

What other could I say but Sri Ram Jai Ram Jai Jai Ram! :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 07:22:43 PM
(http://walkingwithourlord.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/jesushug.png)

Jai Sri Jesus

:)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Nagaraj on September 08, 2013, 07:24:36 PM
Hari, i have to express, this was one of the best conversations i have ever had here or elsewhere! i am grateful! thank you, thank the Lord! it just feels so very light!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 08, 2013, 07:27:00 PM
It is the same with me! Thank you, Lord! Thank you, Sri Nagaraj! :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 09, 2013, 12:02:24 PM
Quote
Q: Sri Bhagavan often says that maya [illusion] and reality are the same. How can that be?

A: Sankara was criticised for his views on maya without being understood. He said that

(1) Brahman is real,
(2) the universe is unreal, and
(3) The universe is Brahman.

He did not stop at the second, because the third explains the other two. It signifies that the universe is real if perceived as the Self, and unreal if perceived apart from the Self. Hence maya and reality are one and the same.

Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 09, 2013, 12:04:05 PM
Q: So the world is not really illusory?

Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: At the level of the spiritual seeker you have got to say that the world is an illusion. There is no other way. When a man forgets that he is Brahman, who is real, permanent and omnipresent, and deludes himself into thinking that he is a body in the universe which is filled with bodies that are transitory, and labours under that delusion, you have got to remind him that the world is unreal and a delusion. Why?

Because his vision which has forgotten its own Self is dwelling in the external, material universe. It will not turn inwards into introspection unless you impress on him that all this external, material universe is unreal. When once he realizes his own Self he will know that there is nothing other than his own Self and he will come to look upon the whole universe as Brahman. There is no universe without the Self.

So long as a man does not see the Self which is the origin of all, but looks only at the external world as real and permanent, you have to tell him that all this external universe is an illusion. You cannot help it.

Take a paper. We see only the script, and nobody notices the paper on which the script is written. The paper is there whether the script on it is there or not.To those who look upon the script as real, you have to say that it is unreal, an illusion, since it rests upon the paper. The wise man looks upon both the Paper and script as one. So also with Brahman and the universe.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 09, 2013, 12:05:46 PM
Q: So the world is real when it is experienced as the Self and unreal when it is seen as separate names and forms?

Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi: Just as fire is obscured by smoke, the shining light of consciousness is obscured by the assemblage of names and forms,the world. When by compassionate divine grace the mind becomes clear, the nature of the world will be known to be not the illusory forms but only the reality.

Only those people whose minds are devoid of the evil power of maya, having given up the knowledge of the world and being unattached to it, and having thereby attained the knowledge of the self-shining supreme reality, can correctly know the meaning of the statement `The world is real.' If one's outlook has been transformed to the nature of real knowledge, the world of the five elements beginning with ether [akasa] will be real, being the supreme reality,which is the nature of knowledge.

The original state of this empty world,which is bewildering and crowded with many names and forms, is bliss, which is one, just as the egg-yolk of a multi-coloured peacock is only one. Know this truth by abiding in the state of Self.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 09, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 18, 2013, 04:47:23 AM
"Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to."
"I don't much care where "
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go."
[Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland"]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 18, 2013, 05:03:01 AM
"When it is not in our power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is most probable."
[René Descartes]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 18, 2013, 05:26:03 AM
"The Self is subtler than the subtle, greater than the great; It dwells in the heart of each living being. He who is free from desire and free from grief, with mind and senses tranquil, beholds the glory of the Atman. Although this Atman dwells in the heart of every living being, yet It is not perceived by ordinary mortals because of Its subtlety. It cannot be perceived by the senses; a finer spiritual sight is required. The heart must be pure and freed from every unworthy selfish desire; the thought must be indrawn from all external objects; mind and body must be under control; when the whole being thus becomes calm and serene, then it is possible to perceive that effulgent Atman. It is subtler than the subtle, because It is the invisible essence of every thing; and It is greater than the great because It is the boundless, sustaining power of the whole universe; that upon which all existence rests."
["Katha Upanishad"]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 18, 2013, 05:54:23 AM
"Moderation in all things healthful; total abstinence from all things harmful."
[Xenophon]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 19, 2013, 01:38:40 AM
"The Lord is enshrined in the hearts of all.
The Lord is the supreme reality.
Rejoice in him through renunciation.
Covet nothing. All belongs to the Lord.
Thus working may you live a hundred years.
Thus alone can you work in full freedom."
[Isha Upanishad]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 28, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
"A dream is a wish your heart makes when you're fast asleep. In dreams you will lose your heartaches. Whatever you wish for, you keep. Have faith in your dreams, and someday, your rainbow will come smiling through. No matter how your heart is grieving, if you keep on believing, the dream that you wish will come true."
("Cinderella")
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 28, 2013, 12:12:28 AM
"Good character is not formed in a week or a month. It is created little by little, day by day. Protracted and patient effort is needed to develop good character."
[Heraclitus]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 28, 2013, 12:18:40 AM
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."
[Plato]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 28, 2013, 12:42:48 AM
The Venerable Nagasena stayed at the Sankheyya hermitage together with 80,000 monks.  King Milinda, accompanied by a retinue of 500 Greeks, went up to where he was, gave him a friendly and courteous greeting, and sat on one side.  Nagasena returned his greetings, and his courtesy pleased the king’s heart.

The Doctrine of Not-Self

The Chariot

And King Milinda asked him: “How is your Reverence known, and what is your name, Sir?”

Nagasena: “As Nagasena I am known, O great king, and as Nagasena do my fellow religious habitually address me.  But although parents give such names as Nagasena … nevertheless this word ‘Nagasena’ is just a denomination, a designation, a conceptual term, a current appellation, a mere name.  For no real person can here be apprehended.”

Milinda:  (addressing the assembly) “Now listen, you 500 Greeks and 80,000 monks, this Nagasena tells me that he is not a real person.  How can I be expected to agree with that?”  (Turns to Nagasena) “If, most reverend Nagasena, no person can be apprehended in reality, who, then, I ask you, gives you what you require by way of robes, food, lodging, and medicines? What is it that consumes them? Who is it that guards morality, [and] practices meditation?  Who is it that kills living beings, takes what is not given, commits sexual misconduct, tells lies, drinks intoxicants?  Who is it that commits the Five Deadly Sins?  For, if there were no person, there could be no merit or demerit; no doer of meritorious or demeritorious deeds, and no agent behind them; … and no reward or punishment for them.  If someone should kill you, O Venerable Nagasena, he would not commit any murder…. What then is this ‘Nagasena’?  Are perhaps the hairs of the head ‘Nagasena’?”

Nagasena: “No, great king!”

Milinda: “Or perhaps the hairs of the body?”

Nagasena: “No, great king!”

Milinda: “Or perhaps the nails, teeth, skin, muscles, sinews, bones, marrow, kidneys, heart, liver, serous membranes, spleen, lungs, intestines, mesentery, stomach, excrement, the bile, phlegm, pus, blood, grease, fat, tears, sweat, spittle, snot, fluid of the joints, urine, or the brain in the skull – are they this ‘Nagasena’?”

Nagasena: “No, great king!”

Milinda: “Or is form this ‘Nagasena,’ or feeling, or perceptions, or impulses, or consciousness?”

Nagasena: “No, great king!”

Milinda: “Then is it the combination of form, feelings, perceptions, impulses, and consciousness?”

Nagasena: “No, great king!”

Milinda: “Then is it outside the combination of form, feelings, perceptions, impulses, and consciousness?”

Nagasena: “No, great king!”

Milinda: “Then, ask as I may, I can discover no Nagasena at all.  Just a mere sound is this ‘Nagasena,’ but who is the real Nagasena? Your Reverence has told a lie, has spoken a falsehood!  There really is no Nagasena!”

Nagasena: “As a king you have been brought up in great refinement and you avoid roughness of any kind.  If you would walk at midday on this hot, burning, and sandy ground, then your feet would have to tread on the rough and gritty gravel and pebbles, and they would hurt you, your body would get tired, your mind impaired, and your awareness of your body would be associated with pain.  How, then did you come:  on foot, or on a mount?”

Milinda: “I did not come, Sir, on foot, but on a chariot.”

Nagasena: “If you have come on a chariot, then please explain to me what a chariot is.  Is the pole the chariot?”

Milinda: “No, reverend Sir!”

Nagasena: “Is then the axle the chariot?”

Milinda: “No, reverend Sir!”

Nagasena: “Is it then the wheels, or the framework, or the flag-staff, or the yoke, or the reins, or the goadstick?”

Milinda: “No, reverend Sir!”

Nagasena: “Then is it the combination of pole, axle, wheels, framework, flag-staff, yoke, reins, and goad?”

Milinda: “No, reverend Sir!”

Nagasena: “Then is this ‘chariot’ outside the combination of pole, axle, wheels, framework, flag-staff, yoke, reins, and goad?”

Milinda: “No, reverend Sir!”

Nagasena: “Then, ask as I may, I can discover no chariot at all.  Just a mere sound is this ‘chariot’. But what is the real chariot? Your Majesty has told a lie, has spoken a falsehood!  There really is no chariot!  Your Majesty is the greatest king in the whole of India.  Of whom then are you afraid, that you do not speak the truth?”

(To Assembly) “Now listen, you 500 Greeks, and 80,000 monks, this king Milinda tells me he has come in a chariot.  But when asked to explain to me what a chariot is, he cannot establish its existence.  How can one possibly approve of that?”

The five hundred Greeks thereupon applauded the Venerable Nagasena and said to King Milinda:  “Now let your Majesty get out of this if you can!”

Milinda: “I have not, Nagasena, spoken a falsehood.  For it is in dependence on the pole, the axle, the wheels, the framework, the flag-staff, etc., that there takes place this denomination ‘chariot,’ this designation, this conceptual term, a current appellation, and a mere name.”

Nagasena: “Your Majesty has spoken well about the chariot.  It is just so with me.  In dependence on the thirty-two parts of the body and the five Skandhas there takes place this denomination ‘Nagasena,’ this designation, this conceptual term, a current appellation, and a mere name.  In ultimate reality, however, this person cannot be apprehended.”

Milinda: “It is wonderful, Nagasena, it is astonishing, Nagasena! Most brilliantly have these questions been answered!  Were the Buddha himself here, he would approve what you have said. Well spoken, Nagasena, well spoken!”
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 02, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
"Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before."
[Edgar Allan Poe]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 02, 2013, 06:30:59 PM
"All things excellent are as difficult as they are rare."
[Baruch Spinoza]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 02, 2013, 06:39:37 PM
"Those who are believed to be most abject and humble are usually most ambitious and envious."
[Baruch Spinoza]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 03, 2013, 03:05:34 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 03, 2013, 08:19:29 PM
"I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear."
[Martin Luther King, Jr.]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 04, 2013, 01:02:09 AM
"The greatest happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved; loved for ourselves, or rather, loved in spite of ourselves."
[Victor Hugo]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 05, 2013, 01:20:24 AM
"Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armour yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you."
[George R.R. Martin, "A Game of Thrones"]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 06, 2013, 01:37:09 PM
"Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies."
[Aristotle]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 10, 2013, 12:50:39 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 10, 2013, 01:01:09 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 10, 2013, 01:03:02 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 10, 2013, 02:11:02 AM
"The purpose of life is to live it, to taste experience to the utmost, to reach out eagerly and without fear for newer and richer experience."
[Eleanor Roosevelt]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 10, 2013, 02:17:09 AM
"The human race is a monotonous affair. Most people spend the greatest part of their time working in order to live, and what little freedom remains so fills them with fear that they seek out any and every means to be rid of it."
[Johann Wolfgang von Goethe]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 10, 2013, 02:26:06 AM
"The mystery of human existence lies not in just staying alive, but in finding something to live for."
[Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Brothers Karamazov]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 11, 2013, 03:06:01 AM
"If one sticks too rigidly to one's principles, one would hardly see anybody."
[Agatha Christie]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 14, 2013, 11:26:50 PM
"No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path."
[Buddha]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 14, 2013, 11:46:23 PM
"I know that I am mortal and the creature of a day; but when I search out the massed wheeling circles of the stars, my feet no longer touch the earth, but, side by side with Zeus Himself, I take my fill of ambrosia, the food of the Gods."
[Ptolemy]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 16, 2013, 08:31:11 AM
""Does all the beauty of the world stop when you die?"
"No," said the Old Oak; "it will last much longer - longer than I can even think of."
"Well, then," said the little May-fly, "we have the same time to live; only we reckon differently."

[Hans Christian Andersen, The Complete Hans Christian Andersen Fairy Tales]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 16, 2013, 08:51:34 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 16, 2013, 08:59:19 AM
Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!"
"Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 21, 2013, 09:30:28 AM
The 12th century master Geshe Ben was renowned for his goodness and integrity.
Once, while begging for alms, a family of devout Buddhists invited him to their home to be fed. He was so hungry that he found it difficult to wait while his hosts were elsewhere preparing the meal. To his complete shock he found himself stealing food from a jar when no-one was looking. Geshe Ben suddenly burst into loud cries of "Thief! Thief! I've caught you red-handed."
His hosts rushed into the room to find him berating himself and threatening his hand with being cut off it ever behaved like that again.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 21, 2013, 10:01:34 AM
SRI SANKARDESIKASHTAM by Hastamalaka

1. O ocean of the nectar of illumined knowledge of the whole Sastras! Thou hast revealed the treasure of the meaning of the great Upanishads. I meditate on Thy pure Lotus Feet in my heart, O Sankara Desika (Acharya), be Thou my refuge.

2. O ocean of mercy! Protect me who am afflicted sorely by the pains of Samsara; Thou hast expounded the truth of the various schools of philosophy, O Sankara Desika, be Thou my refuge.

3. By Thee the humanity has attained happiness. Thou art endowed with a fine intellect reflecting Self-knowledge. I meditate on Thee who expounded the identity of Jiva and Isvara, O Sankara, be Thou my refuge.

4. "Thou art my God" – thus thinking my mind became full of joy. Remove the great ocean of delusion in me, O Sankara, be Thou my refuge.

5. It is through various meritorious actions done by me for a long time that I have got in me a love for the vision of Thy Lotus Feet. Protect this humble self, O Sankara, be Thou my refuge.

6. For the redemption of mankind great souls like Thy Self move about from place to place. Thou seemst to me like the pure and resplendent sun, O Sankara, be Thou my refuge.

7. O best of Gurus, O Lord Siva! It is impossible for anyone to gauge Thy mental poise. O Protector of the refugees! O Repository of Knowledge! O Sankara, be Thou my refuge.

8. I have not been able to find any treasure worthy of possession except Thee, O Preceptor! Have mercy on me which is Thy natural quality, O Sankara, be Thou my refuge.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 24, 2013, 12:46:26 AM
Atma Shatakam

I am neither the mind, nor the intellect, nor the ego, nor the mind stuff.
I am neither the body, nor the changes of the body.
I am neither the senses of hearing, taste, smell or sight.
Nor am i ether, the earth, the fire, the air.
I am existence absolute, knowledge absolute bliss absolute. I am He, I am He.


I am neither the Prana,nor the five vital airs.
I am neither the materials of the body,nor the five sheaths.
Neither am I the organs of action nor objects of the senses.
I am existence absolute, knowledge absolute bliss absolute. I am He, I am He.


I have neither aversion nor attachment, neither greed nor delusion, neither egotism nor envy.
Neither Dharma nor Moksha. I have neither desire nor object of desire.
I am existence absolute, knowledge absolute, bliss absolute. I am He, I am He.


I am neither sin nor virtue, neither pleasure nor pain, nor temple, nor worship, nor pilgrimage,
nor scriptures. And I am neither the act of enjoying, the enjoyable nor the enjoyer.
I am existence absolute, knowledge absolute, bliss absolute. I am He, I am He.

I have neither death, nor fear of death, nor caste nor was I ever born, nor had i parents, friends and relations.
I have neither Guru nor disciple.
I am existence absolute, knowledge absolute, bliss absolute. I am He, I am He.

I am untouched by the senses. I am neither Mukti nor knowable, I am without form, without limit, beyond space, beyond time.
I am in everything, I am the basis of the universe, everywhere am I.
I am existence absolute, knowledge absolute, bliss absolute. I am He, I am He.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 24, 2013, 03:23:58 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 24, 2013, 10:54:32 PM
Carpe Diem

O mistress mine, where are you roaming?
O stay and hear! your true-love's coming
That can sing both high and low;
Trip no further, pretty sweeting,
Journey's end in lovers' meeting--
Every wise man's son doth know.

What is love? 'tis not hereafter;
Present mirth hath present laughter;
What's to come is still unsure:
In delay there lies no plenty,
Then come kiss me, Sweet and twenty,
Youth's a stuff will not endure.
[William Shakespeare]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 25, 2013, 02:51:36 AM
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong."
[Mahatma Gandhi]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 25, 2013, 03:03:40 PM
"Bhakti will of its own accord grant you Jnana and Vairagya. You do not have to seek them."
[Bhagavan Kapila]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 25, 2013, 11:19:03 PM
"You will know (the good from the bad) when you are calm, at peace. Passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack."
[Master Yoda, "Star wars"]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 26, 2013, 12:21:31 AM
"It's strange how pain marks our faces, and makes us look like family."
[Stephen King, The Green Mile]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 26, 2013, 12:34:15 AM
"You know, for an educated person Mark, you repeat things quite a bit. Are you aware of that?"
[Prot, K-Pax]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2013, 01:12:33 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2013, 05:46:55 PM
"'How amazing!' Lakshmana said to Rama. 'Even a sage like Vasishtha is stricken with grief because of the death of his sons!' 'Brother,' replied Rama, 'he who has knowledge has ignorance also. Therefore go beyond both knowledge and ignorance.'"
[from the gospel of Sri Ramakrishna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2013, 05:53:08 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2013, 05:56:42 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 28, 2013, 10:24:50 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 29, 2013, 01:05:35 PM
Student: I see only the inside is real, only That is always here.
Papaji: If the inside is real the outside also has to be real. Therefore, I do not prescribe any unreality. Everything is real, everything is the Self.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 29, 2013, 02:26:43 PM
"Nirvana is samsara and samsara is nirvana"
[Nagarjuna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 02, 2013, 05:23:14 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 07, 2013, 07:24:12 PM
If the Self is limitless then we cannot say that It is one or many, with or without qualities, this or that or nothing. The Self can be everything at the same time just because of Its limitlessness.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 08, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
In my view Advaita is like a homepathic drug - ingorant philosophy diluted many times and potentiated which makes it able to cure the ignorance. Just like the homeopathic drug cannot show you what health is (but can only pave to you the path to it) so Advaita cannot show you your true nature but can only show you a way to it. However we must remember that there are many ways to cure a disease. There is no one universal way.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 08, 2013, 12:10:52 PM
Freedom must be our nature right now. If it is not so there is a big problem. According to philosophy reality is always real. So if freedom is not real and existent now then it is not a characteristic of the reality at all. But if the freedom is not a characteristic of the reality then happiness is not too because happiness cannot exist without freedom. If happiness does not exist sat-chit is nothing more than the christian eternal hell.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 08, 2013, 05:35:43 PM
You are That should not be right in the light of Advaita. There is no you because there is no I. There is no That because there is no I to point to It.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 09, 2013, 10:47:21 PM
So many words, so little truth. So many words, so many truths.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 10, 2013, 12:04:54 AM
Some people say "I love myself" but what they love? Their hands? Their legs? Their heart? Their lungs? Their nails? Their kidneys? Their nose? Their lips? Their hair? Their mind? Their thoughts? We all love one aspect of us and another - we don't. Can we truly and wholly love ourselves if we don't love every aspect of ourselves? No. Can we love every aspect of ourselves? No. Then how can we love ourselves? Only one way - when we forget ourselves.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 10, 2013, 01:27:01 AM
Most poisons and therapeutic substances are bitter in taste. That's why we should discriminate rightly what we are taking.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 12:34:47 PM
All is Brahman. If that is true then "all" must exist in the first place. But if all is Brahman then why we postulate "all" at all?! Brahman only is. This is the mystery of life. If it is not a mystery then it is a lie.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 12:47:44 PM
"After the rise of "I" everything other becomes to exist". Does America exist because India exist? If suddenly the Earth disappears America and India will disappear at the same time and none of them will be responsible for the extinction of the the other. Everything appears and disappears at the same time, without any causation, without any reason inherent in it.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 11, 2013, 12:48:16 PM
Dear Hari,

All is Brahman has come from Sanskrit Sarvam Brahma mayam.  Why this Sarvam or All?  The answer is the world, jivas, and all
other living beings, insentient beings, all objects including Sun and Moon and stars and galaxies, supernova which we think
are other than Brahman is also Brahman.  There is nothing other than Brhaman.  But this can be realized only by a Self Realized
Sage and not by poor mortals like us.

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 12:50:49 PM
Dear Hari,

All is Brahman has come from Sanskrit Sarvam Brahma mayam.  Why this Sarvam or All?  The answer is the world, jivas, and all
other living beings, insentient beings, all objects including Sun and Moon and stars and galaxies, supernova which we think
are other than Brahman is also Brahman.  There is nothing other than Brhaman.  But this can be realized only by a Self Realized
Sage and not by poor mortals like us.

Arunachala Siva.

I agree. That's why it is a mystery. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 01:27:22 PM
There is only one thing which is common to all philosophies and religions and all agree with it. The true happiness is in Atman (the Soul).
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 01:44:25 PM
Bhagavad Gita is summum bonum of all philosophies and religions. There is no teaching higher than the teaching of Sri Krishna in the battlefield of Kurukshetra. The Upanishads are the nectar of the flowers which the bees collect, Bhagavad Gita is the honey. To have Bhagavad Gita in our hands is the Grace of God Itself!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 02:13:56 PM
My life is such a drama
governed by the will of Rama.
What I have is not enoug,
there must be something above.
Rama is all that I want,
but my mind and body always confront
the path to Him, His peaceful face,
His beauty, love and smile, His Grace.
But one day to Him will I return,
when this body and mind in His fire I burn.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 03:49:50 PM
I walked alone on smoky road,
then in river I was on boat,
in a old castle I arrived,
inside there were people and all they smiled.
They did't want to know my name,
like they are born not to blame.
Why these people are in such a peace?
Don't they know about disease,
called a 'life', sorrow itself?
And I started to ask myself
why am I not like them,
where is my problem?
Then a man came to me close,
and he began to expose
one by one - all my mistakes,
in all of them what partakes
is my ego and all its play
and truly I didn't know what to say.
This man cleared all my doubts,
unlike my holy teacher who only shouts.
This man did open my eyes
without he needed the disguise
of holy man with sacred speach,
he only wanted me to reach
the simple truth of who am I,
that I am not just a guy,
but an awareness without a voice,
in which all people rejoice.
In this state there is nothing to miss,
all in it is full of bliss.
Where there is bliss, all is whole
and now I know that this is the nature of my soul.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 04:52:45 PM
Ganesha came in my dream,
in His hand there was a beam.
I asked Him "Why you come to me with this?"
to show me the lovely life I miss?
Or to use the beam to beat my flesh,
to break my bones, my soul to smash?
If You are the God of obsticles I guess,
that You are the reason for all the mess
I call 'life' of which I'm tired,
and the dead people once admired.
And Lord Ganesha became to smile,
with compassion and for a while
He stayed like stone
without a movement, like alone.
Then suddenly He looked at me, like anew
"I am not here to destroy you.
But to kill the thief,
who does not let you to relieve.
This thief Janaka time ago
revealed him - this is the ego.
With this beam I'll break his head
then you'll see - I am not the bad.
After that peace you'll find
and no more will you be blind."
In my heart tears were flowing,
and bowed down to Him rejoicing.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 06:25:15 PM
This is specially for my dear friend Jewell.

Balkan mountains is my home,
here I feel like there's some
power very beautiful and rare
to which I have nothig to compare.
Air is so fresh and clean,
pine forrest worthy to be seen.
Squirrels, lizards, bears, sparrows,
fallen needles like arrows.
I love the smell of the resin of the pine,
like a whisper of peace, that everything is fine.
Balkan mountains binds two countries as one,
for Bulgaria and Serbia it was like Titan
who secretly helped the fighters of despotism,
to free the peninsula from Ottoman colonism.
Now it is symbol of freedom, a place where,
the Spirit of Christ is constantly there.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on November 11, 2013, 06:45:23 PM
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Balkan mountain! And it is for meeeeeee!

Dearest Hari,

How beautiful,beautiful and sweet of you! Ohh,I am deeply touched! I have no words to describe how I feel... You made my heart dance and cry in the same time.

I love it! It is beautiful. So lovely! I am sooo happy now,and so honored! :)

Thank you from All my heart,Popocatepetl! ;D

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 07:02:11 PM
Thank you, Jewell. I know how you love this mountain, like I do. I am happy you like it. I intentionally put Titan (with serbian pronounciation) to be in rhyme with "one" (in contrary to English pronunciation) and I am sure you have felt the tease :P.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on November 11, 2013, 07:50:39 PM
Actually,i didn't,i was focused more on beauty of the words.
And they are truly describing the beauty of our mountain.

Yes,yes,i know,my English is absolutely wonderful. 8)

Ken liiiiiiiiiiii

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LTLEVC-sfQ    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LTLEVC-sfQ)




       :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P   
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 11, 2013, 07:53:41 PM
Hahahaha, I still think that we are not as bad as she is. :D
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on November 11, 2013, 08:05:04 PM
Yes. Well,she gave very high standards. ;D

Even if I am so close to beat her sometimes. 8)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 12, 2013, 02:26:16 PM
If we accept the existence then we must accept the non-existence also. But if we stop accepting and rejecting everything is as it is, no description of any kind is necessary.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 12, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
Sooner or later everyone realizes that there is nothing/nobody to give him/her realization. Realization is like the food consumption, you just need to open your mouth and take it, chew it up and swallow it. Nobody can do it instead of you.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 12, 2013, 03:01:13 PM
There are only three ways to deal with a desire. First is to satisfy it. Second is to find some higher desire. Third is to kill the subject of desire.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 12, 2013, 03:33:56 PM
Excerpt from Vishnu Purana

You are everything, earth, water, fire, air, and space,
the subtle world, the Nature-of-All (pradhana),
and the Person (pums) who stands forever aloof.

O Self of all beings!
From the Creator (Brahma) to the blade of grass
all is your body, visible and invisible,
divided by space and time.

We worship you as Brahma, the Immense Being, the first shape,
who sprang from the lotus of your navel to create the worlds.

We, the gods, worship you in our selves,
we, the King of Heaven, the Sun, the Lord of Tears,
the Indweller, the twin gods of agriculture,
the Lord of Wind, the Offering, who all are your shapes
while you are our Selves.

We worship you in your demonic shapes, deceitful and stupid,
wild in their passions, suspicious of wisdom.

We worship you in the genii, the yakshas,
with their narrow-minds obdurate to knowledge,
their blunt faculties covetous of the objects of words.

O Supreme Man! We bow to your fearful evil shapes
which wander at night, cruel and deceitful

O Giver-of-Rewards (Jundardana)!
We worship you as the Eternal Law
whence virtuous men, who dwell in the heaven,
obtain the blissful fruit of their just deeds.
We bow to the Realized (Siddhas) who are your shapes of joy;
free from contacts, they enter and move within all things.

O Remover-of-Sorrow (Hari)! We bow to you the serpent shapes,
lustful and cruel, whose forked tongues know no mercy.

O Pervaderl We worship you as knowledge
in the peaceful form of the seers,
faultless, free from sin.

O Dweller in the lotus of the Heart! We bow to you
as the self of Time which, at the end of the ages,
infallibly devours all beings.

We worship you as the Lord of Tears,
who dances at the time of destruction,
having devoured gods and men alike.

O Giver of Rewardsl We worship your human shape
bound by the twenty-eight incapacities (badha),
ruled by the powers of darkness.

We bow to you as vegetal life (mukhya rupa),
by which the world subsists and which-six in kind,
trees, [creepers, bashes, platits, herbs and bamboo]
supports the sacrifcial rites.

O Universal Self! We bow to you under that elemental shape
from which beasts and tnen have sprung,
gods and living beings, ether and the elements,
sound and all the qualities.

O Transcendent Self! We bow to you as the Cause of causes,
the Principal shape beyond compare,
beyond Nature (pradhana) and Intellect.

O All-powerful (Bhagavan)! We bow to your shape
which the seers alone perceive and in which is found
no white nor other colour, no length nor other diniension,
no density nor other quality.

Purer than purity it stands
beyond the sphere of quality.

We bow to you, the birthless, the indestructible,
outside whom there is but nothingness.

You are the ever-present within all things,
as the intrinsic principle of all.

We bow to you, resplendent Indweller (Vasudeva)! the seed of all
that is!
You stand changeless, unsullied.

The Supreme stage is your core, the Universe your shape.
You are the unborn, Eternal.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 13, 2013, 03:30:36 AM
There is no use of denial of an object when you are deeply attached to it. Accept it as your Self then you will not need to possess it in any way.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 13, 2013, 04:06:18 AM
Hercules matched one of the most difficult tasks known - killing the Lernean Hydra. She had 9 heads. In the place of every smashed head two new heads would appear. But Hercules with the help of his friend - his nephew Iolaus killed her. In every head cut Iolaus held a torch on the headless tendons to prevent the growth of the replacement heads. This way they defeated the dangerous Hydra. Our problems are not as little as the heads of the Hydra, when we solve them they don't double but multiply scores of times and we are not demigods like Hercules. Then what are our chances to put them to end? They are much better! The sadhana prescribed by the Lord is the most powerful weapon available which destroys even the most powerful enemy existing - the ego. When ego is done, all is done.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 13, 2013, 02:31:09 PM
There is so much beauty in the world. But all this beauty is seen by the light. Without light there is no beauty, just objects with which we collide in the dark. Without light this beauty has turned into an obstacle.
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 13, 2013, 02:59:06 PM
The wisest are children. They take the thoughts which the mind gives them but don't pay attention on them and let them go.
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 14, 2013, 12:48:48 AM
Food for thought: When there is inside, there is outside and border between them. But inside what and outside what? Where is the border?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 14, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
Food can be taken for survival but also for just pleasure of the mind. Every spiritual practice becomes just a play for the pleasure of the mind if we don't use it by the way it is intended to be used by the Sages.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 15, 2013, 01:39:08 PM
The world is illusory when it is seen as something outside but is real when it is seen as the Self. So the problem is not in the world but in the mind. Even if the world disappears the mind will objectify something else. The most subtle objectification and duality is the pure mind. It is when it is turned to the Self and is called Self-attention. The Self is even above this "I, I" duality and is called just 'existence' or 'being' because there is nothing to be aware of, there is nothing to be done.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 15, 2013, 01:49:56 PM
There is no use of arguing if the world is mind-creation or it is something real outside us. There is no philosophical arguments which to prove or disprove either of these notions. The important thing is that our vision of the world is due to our mind. And even more important than this is that we are not the mind. Sankhya/Yoga and Vedanta share the same highest Truth - "You are the Self/Purusha". Everything else is just details.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 16, 2013, 02:53:44 AM
Quote
By His Command, bodies are created; His Command cannot be described. By His Command, souls come into being; by His Command, glory and greatness are obtained. By His Command, some are high and some are low; by His Written Command, pain and pleasure are obtained. Some, by His Command, are blessed and forgiven; others, by His Command, wander aimlessly forever. Everyone is subject to His Command; no one is beyond His Command. O Nanak, one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego.
[Guru Granth Sahib]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 18, 2013, 09:54:26 PM
Food for thought: Is it spiritually healthy to accept totally, without an jota of scepticism the most precious for us teaching or Teacher?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 19, 2013, 12:24:47 PM
Follow the facts and your sharp mind but there is time when you must let them go.
Title: Poem for Shiva
Post by: Hari on November 21, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
Bholo bholo submela bholo Om namashivaya
O, Gracious Lord, help me, save me of Your Mahamaya.
I feel so small, struck, egoistic and weak,
I am so helpless, your Grace I seek.
Look at me, I am the pities creature itself,
please, o, my Lord, show me the Self.
I will go wherever You say,
I would do whatever I may.
Show Your face in front of my eyes,
if You want renounciation, I'd pay that price.
O, Shiva, Arunachala, Shankara,
You Who dwells in sahasrara,
please, Lord, give me Your help
compared to You I am like whelp.
Without Your Light I live like in hole,
where the darkness embraces my soul.
I see the people are calling Your Name,
but their life - it seems to be same.
Why You don't answer their prayers,
why don't You resolve their cares?
Their karma Sages say - "it's strong,
this is where now they belong.
Karma resolves itself, there is no need
to search a help, you have planted the seed.
Everything what is destined will come,
karma acts to all, not to some.
Be patient and sharp in your mind,
to all creatures I advice you to be kind.
This way new karma you sowed,
and the path of freedom to you'll be showed.
There is another thing to say,
Lord's Name is the way
which is above karma current or next
with God's Name you'll never be vexed.
Saying It now you don't see results but wait
everything changes when grows the faith"
I am waiting to teach me Vedanta o Hara
without misconceptions, and fear, and doubts, Parameshvara.
At Your feet I am always on my knees,
all I want Lord is to share with me Your peace.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 26, 2013, 03:49:42 PM
Everyone wants to give comments on Bhagavad Gita. Aren't God's Words clear enough? Or we want to make our own philosophy on Lord's account? Isn't more honest to say "Hey, I have new philosophy. Do you wanna hear it?" than to put words in God's mounth?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 26, 2013, 04:14:09 PM
Just as we can move the atoms so that we can make a movie from them so the Lord controls all the atoms in the universe to make His own movie called life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCX78-8-q0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCX78-8-q0)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 27, 2013, 09:57:45 PM
To be alone does not mean to be lonely. When someone is alone due to his/her own will it just means that he/she finds happiness in his/her Self and in the Silence of the Lord. But how could the ordinary people understand that?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 28, 2013, 04:41:25 AM
O, Krishna, we are puppets and You are the Puppeteer. O, Krishna, we are so happy that You are our Puppeteer. Please, lead us from the darkness and lead us to the light of Your Heart. Clean the dirt of our minds so vairagya, shraddha, mumukshutva, viveka and prema to strart glowing in our souls. O, Supreme Lord, hour after hour, day after day, year after year we are begging for Your mercy and compassion. Please, Lord, save us from this samsara. Remove from our mind all that is obstacle for our spiritual path. Be our Friend and Beloved forever and ever.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 28, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
People say that living worldly life is ignorance because the world is not real, only the Self is. All methods and teachings are also unreal then and following them is also ignorance. But if we accept everything as God's Lila then no matter what we do - this is wisdom.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 29, 2013, 03:35:47 PM
If everything is unreal or illusion in the western sense of the word then there is no reason to care about anything and anyone. The 'illusion' in eastern sense of the word has a meaning which only the Self-realized can understand and no one else! There is no description or example which to illustrate this!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 02, 2013, 03:27:06 AM
Separation and unification are mind categories. The Ultimate Truth is above all that.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 05, 2013, 03:39:17 AM
Krishna, it is so strange. Some of Your followers who accept Your Maya as illusion behave like Maya is the most imortant thing and some of Your devotees who accept Your Energy as real behave like It is not. How strange is Your Divine Lila, o, Lord.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 05, 2013, 09:29:19 AM
O, Sri Rama, when Your devotees see Your face and hear Your Name they lose interest in all else. Even in their dream Your Form embraces their being. How can this be explained? It cannot! That's why You are called Vishnu - the all-pervading and very few realize this mystery. You are the changeless substance of everything. All Names, Forms, Gods, living beings, worlds and energies are contained in Your Name. The Name of Rama is the ultimate remedy and the best way to cross the lake of samsara. Nobody knows the true significance of Your Name, Lord, but Your devotees take refuge in It and by Your infinite Mercy they are saved. This is more than enough. The thirsty man takes as much water as it is needed to quench the thirst.

(http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/gallery/ram-hanuman/Rama-returns-to-Ayodhya.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 06, 2013, 12:39:39 PM
If we wash away all that we were taught, all that we have read and ask ourselves what we really want we will be surprised. We don't want some absolute reality called by hundreds of names devoid of any individuality. The proof for that is that majority of the people believe in eternal heaven. What we really want is just happiness, existence, love, acceptance. We want to live forever with the most dear relatives and friends. This is seen in life even now. Everyone cares so much more about his/her child, mother, father, brother, sister, friend, husband, wife than anything else and tries to protect them at all costs. This inherent will to live forever with our dearest is the main reason a very few people to really, by heart, accept the non-dual philosophy. Everyone should choose for him/herself what to listen - the heart which loves the people and consider them as real as possible or the mind who argues all is illusion and must be rejected as objective reality and to trust the words of men who say they have experienced something which is above the ordinary.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 06, 2013, 03:55:39 PM
A young handsome man came to a sage in a forrest. He approached him asking:
- Who am I, o, venerable Sage?
- It all depends on the view point. For your mother and father, you are their beloved son; for the dealer you are just another source of money; for the lion you are tasty meat; for the young girls you are beautiful young man, for the other young men you are competition; for the ants you are enemy; for your dog you are his/hers best friend; for the nothingness you are nothing; for yourself you are the most precious person; for your wife you are the beloved husband; for the earth-worms you are future meal; for the parasites you are home and source of food; for your business partner you are cooperator; for the universe you are insignifican particle, for the most people you are ordinary person; for Yama you are one of His preys; for Brahma you are one of His magnificent creations; for me, my dear boy, you are my own Self.

(http://davidderrick.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/nanak-dev.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 06, 2013, 04:34:01 PM
Saint George is one of the most respected Saints in Bulgarian Orthodox Christianity. He is respected of every race and minority here, even from the Muslims. We call him Свети Георги (Sveti Georgi). He symbolizes the spiritual battle with our ego and ignorance (the Dragon). Here is a song dedicated to him sung in bulgarian and gypsy language as sign of union of faith and ethnicity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQFo4MCiy2Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQFo4MCiy2Y)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 08, 2013, 01:24:21 AM
If one truly believes that everything is illusion and the individual self is non-existent then all other questions and queries are meaningless, bordering on insanity. But if he/she does not believe so then what is the point and what is the value of such teachings?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 11, 2013, 01:55:04 PM
Advaita is like "If I must chose between me and others I would chose none". This is really bizarre for the ordinary mind.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 11, 2013, 02:00:16 PM
God is the only winner now and forever.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 17, 2013, 12:40:41 PM
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
[Lord Jesus Christ]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 17, 2013, 01:08:10 PM
The only thing I am sure is that I am not sure about anything.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 20, 2013, 12:50:08 AM
Whatever we now consider as knowledge is actually a certain degree of faith.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 25, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
Merry Christmas to all! Today the Incarnation of Love has been born in a stable. Born as poor child He became the Prince of Peace and Compassion. He captured the heart of almost half of the world. Let today we remember His glorious and profound teachings and deeply meditate on them.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 25, 2013, 10:46:50 AM
"What you seek after (is) within you."
[The Dialogue of the Savior]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 25, 2013, 10:54:33 AM
"Beware that no one lead you astray, saying 'Lo here!' or 'Lo there!' For the Son of Man is within you. Follow after Him! Those who seek Him will find Him."
[The Gospel of Mary]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 25, 2013, 11:25:26 AM
"He who has known himself has…already achieved knowledge about the depth of all."
[The Book of Thomas The Contender]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 25, 2013, 11:40:26 AM
"Those who have come to know themselves will enjoy their possessions."
[Gospel of Phillip]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 25, 2013, 01:09:06 PM
"That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves."
[Gospel of Thomas]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on December 25, 2013, 06:32:43 PM
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May this beautiful and joyful day brings You
lots of laugh and joy,good will and peace.
To spend it remembering our Lord,our Saviour,
His Goodness and Compassion.
May He Grace You and Your family
with love,happiness, good health and wisdom!

MERRY MERRY MERRY CHRISTMAS,dear Hari!!!!

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 26, 2013, 04:07:46 AM
Thank you, dear Jewell! Let the Peace, Love and Supreme Wisdom of the Son of God go in your heart, purify it and show you the path meant for your spiritual realization! Merry Christmas!!!!!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 28, 2013, 12:13:35 AM
I am God's Lion, not the lion of passion....
I have no longing
except for the One.
When a wind of personal reaction comes,
I do not go along with it.
There are many winds full of anger,
and lust and greed. They move the rubbish around,
but the solid mountain of our true nature stays where it's always been.

[Rumi]

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IFpg2m9UrgY/TH15mv73c2I/AAAAAAAAGZA/qAnNovOY_aY/s1600/light_upon_light.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 28, 2013, 08:53:28 AM
"I can no longer write, for God has given me such glorious knowledge that all contained in my works are as straw – barely fit to absorb the holy wonders that fall in a stable."
[St Thomas of Aquinas]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 01, 2014, 06:58:58 PM
Happy New Year! Let 2014 gives you good health, happiness and spiritual prosperity!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 12, 2014, 12:11:09 AM
Vijay: "What must the bound soul's condition of mind be in order to achieve liberation?"

Sri Ramakrishna: "He can free himself from attachment to 'woman and gold' if, by the grace of God, he cultivates a spirit of strong renunciation.  What is this strong renunciation? One who has only a mild spirit of renunciation says, 'Well, all will happen in the course of time; let me now simply repeat the name of God.' But a man possessed of a strong spirit of renunciation feels restless for God, as the mother feels for her own child.  A man of strong renunciation seeks nothing but God.  He regards the world as a deep well and feels as if he were going to be drowned in it.  He looks on his relatives as venomous snakes; he wants to fly away from them.  And he does go away.  He never thinks, 'Let me first make some arrangement for my family and then I shall think of God.' He has great inward resolution."
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 12, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report: if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
[Saint Paul]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 12, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
"Let me tell you a story about strong renunciation.  At one time there was a drought in a certain part of the country.  The farmers began to cut long channels to bring water to their fields.  One farmer was stubbornly determined.  He took a vow that he would not stop digging until the channel connected his field with the river.  He set to work.  The time came for his bath, and his wife sent their daughter to him with oil.  'Father,' said the girl, 'it is already late.  Rub your body with oil and take your bath.' 'Go away!' thundered the farmer.  'I have too much to do now.' It was past midday, and the farmer was still at work in his field.  He didn't even think of his bath.  Then his wife came and said: 'Why haven't you taken your bath? The food is getting cold.  You overdo everything.  You can finish the rest tomorrow or even today after dinner.' The farmer scolded her furiously and ran at her, spade in hand, crying: 'What? Have you no sense? There's no rain.  The crops are dying.  What will the children eat? You'll all starve to death.  I have taken a vow not to think of bath and food today before I bring water to my field.' The wife saw his state of mind and ran away in fear.  Through a whole day's back-breaking labour the farmer managed by evening to connect his field with the river.  Then he sat down and watched the water flowing into his field with a murmuring sound.  His mind was filled with peace and joy.  He went home, called his wife, and said to her, 'Now give me some oil and prepare me a smoke.' With serene mind he finished his bath and meal, and retired to bed, where he snored to his heart's content.  The determination he showed is an example of strong renunciation."
[Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 22, 2014, 12:08:35 PM
Chaitanya and Maya are in eternal play. They are identical. So whatever we say about the one we must say the same about the other. But is the Maya permanent? Yes. She is permanent in Her impermanence.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 22, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
I went out with three of my friends. One is 28 years old, second is 20, third is 16. We discerned where would we find happiness. No matter the age difference we all wanted to know one thing - where is the happiness. When my turn came to give them a clue where to find happiness I told them that if I have found such place I would not be here with them but would be in that place and would never change my position even 1 cm from there. And that if there is place where happiness is abundant it must be in ourselves because if it was not so then we would be dependent on particular place on earth and we will lose it when we die. And such thought is more than unsatisfying.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: mcozire on January 26, 2014, 02:39:18 AM
Hey Hari! :)

I just wanted to follow up on your post about the similarities between Solipsism and Vedanta. I recently had the same questions. I think this is the way I sorted it it in my mind.

In solipsism, I understand it as the "I" as ego Mark, is real, and that everyone else is just my imaginings, are hollow 'automatons'.

However in Vedanta, everyone including myself as 'I' ego Mark, are unreal, yet everyone is real as the Self within them. Or taken from the position of the non liberated Jiva, all Jivas are 'real' in themselves, as the One true being inhabits them all.

In other words if I met you I would not for a second discount your reality, I would smile and great you as a fellow being, however to the the adamant believer in solipism he might discount your reality when he met you.

I think in Vedenta you would have to throw yourself out as unreal if your going to say that everyone else is unreal, where as in solipsism you just say I' real, and your not. Whereas the real-real that we feel within us is the all pervading self, which is as all pervading equally for our neighbour as it is for us, inclusive for all, holding all in its infinite love.

This might be a little scatty, but I think I've got a handle on it for myself inwardly anyways :/

Much love and thanks for your previous posts, most enjoyable! :)

Love,
Mark.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 28, 2014, 08:15:55 PM
Dear mcozire, thank you for your kind words.
Yes, this is the conclusion I made for myself too. Actually Classic Advaita Philosophy is not solipsistic at all. Just Bhagavan Ramana's view of drishti-srishti vada is the main solipsistic source of Advaita known today. But we must consider this teaching of Him as useful way of view of life which can help sadhaka to enhance vairagya and viveka and this way to accelerate the realization of the Self. He has firmly stated however that only ajata vada is the most close theory to the Truth and all other are just for the taste of the different sadhakas. In my view the Truth is one and It has many faces. To believe that you (as the ego) are the cause of the universe and all other are your imagination is distorted Advaita. This is not Shankara's view. This is much later theory grounded by some Advaita communities. So we should not even for a second make this mistake again that solipsism and Classical Advaita are even closer to each other.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 28, 2014, 08:36:04 PM
"I wept before the Mother and prayed. "O Mother, please tell me, please reveal to me what the yogis have realized through yoga and the jnanis through discrimination." And the Mother has revealed everything to me. She reveals everything if the devotee cries to Her with a yearning heart. She has shown me everything that is in the Vedas, the Vedanta, the Puranas, and the Tantra."
[Sri Ramakrishna]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 28, 2014, 08:53:15 PM
"To my Divine Mother I prayed only for pure love. I offered flowers at Her Lotus Feet and prayed to Her: "Mother, here is Thy virtue, here it Thy vice. Take them both and grant me only pure love for Thee. Here is Thy knowledge, here is Thy ignorance, take them both and grant me only pure love for Thee. Here is Thy purity, here is Thy impurity. Take them both, Mother, and grant me only pure love for Thee. Here is Thy dharma, here is Thy adharma. Take them both, Mother, and grant me only pure love for Thee.""
[Sri Ramakrishna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: mcozire on January 28, 2014, 09:10:14 PM
Hi Hari! :)

Many thanks for your reply.

I find ajata vada, very hard to comprehend.

But I shall do my best ask to what Sri Ramana has asked of me first, that is to find out who I am.


Here is something small I wrote, praise be to the one for it. I hope you don't mind me adding it here, and that it is suiting.

You are.
You are an undivided whole.
At your centre you are one, as I am.
As this I am in you, and you are in me.
We share the most intimate of phenomena which is seen through our invisible eye. It is inseparable from itself, it is life.
It knows only peace and joy. It is unbound.
Be still and know that you are that which is.
Indestructible, unconquerable, full of love.


Much love,
Mark.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 28, 2014, 10:03:23 PM
Very beautiful, dear mcozire. This is indeed what is the Peace and Happiness we are searching for. We call it the Self, Brahman, etc. We use different terms making it like something so far away and difficult to understand but it is actually the happiness we have experienced sometime in the moments when the mind stop functioning but we are aware of that. This is what Bhagavan has taught me. This is the most practical and fatherly advice from Him which made me strong in the process of Self-realization. He gave me the courage that the Self-realization is the most natural thing in the world and it is for everyone and it's worth it all sacrifices that we make for attaining it. This is the best part of His teaching and I take it for granted and this is enough for me. Surrender to God and searching for the Sat-chit-ananda within, this is the summun bonus of all spirituality!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: mcozire on January 28, 2014, 10:27:13 PM
Many thanks for you kind words Hari.

At this time the words you speak are easing my mind, as I am currently grappling with what I think is being brave enough to gradually surrender or let go in every moment. Sometimes I feel, if I let go completely, what will happen to the rest of my life? Maybe it will fall apart etc.

Many thanks.
Mark.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 28, 2014, 10:42:08 PM
Surrender is not what we think it is. It is not 'doing-nothing'. This is impossible. It is detachment from the sense of doership. But this can happen only naturally with the Grace of God. There is no other way.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 28, 2014, 10:50:38 PM
- Good morning! - said Bilbo, and he meant it. The sun was shining, and the grass was very green. But Gandalf looked at him from under long bushy eyebrows that stuck out farther than the brim of his shady hat.
- What do you mean? - he said. - Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?
- All of them at once. - said Bilbo.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: mcozire on January 28, 2014, 11:15:13 PM
Thanks Hari. Yes I think this is what I am grappling with at the moment, I think I know though what you mean. Many thanks.

Love the Lord Of the Rings quote!
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 28, 2014, 11:28:56 PM
Dear Mark, everything will happen when it is time. What use if the fruit falls down when it is unripe? Only God knows the right time for us. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 28, 2014, 11:30:40 PM
"Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity."
[Lord Buddha]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: mcozire on January 29, 2014, 02:30:42 AM
Thank you Hari. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 29, 2014, 05:01:57 PM
"Happiness is like those palaces in fairy tales whose gates are guarded by dragons: we must fight in order to conquer it."
[Alexandre Dumas]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on January 29, 2014, 05:47:41 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 01:13:05 PM
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
[Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 01:44:14 PM
Spirituality of today suffers from dualismophobia. Everyone gets angry or disgusted when hears the word 'duality'. It is like disease and the most unwellcome guest. But nobody actually realizes that the duality is part of the unity and that without duality there is no unity because without duality what is to be united?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 02:20:35 PM
I stood in front of my mirror and repeatedly said to my reflection: "Go away, you are an illusion". But then I realized that my reflection was saying the same to me.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 04:19:58 PM
There was a rumour that God exists. Some people was curious and went to search Him. Some of them found Him and was the happiest people alive. The other did not find Him - some of them was disappointed and said that this rumour is a lie along with the claim of the people who have found Him, the rest continued to search Him. Some of the people were even not curious if the rumour is true or not because they were so much agitated with their own self.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 04:35:17 PM
Your blood flows through your veins. It is in you but you are not in it. It is mysteriously moving by yourself (subconsciousness, shakti). How? You (consciousness) have not idea (about the source of heartbeat, etc., of this shakti) but it works as it should be without your knowledge and control.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 05:09:16 PM
Sweetness of the sugar is one feeling and experience caused by two things - glucose and fructose.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 05:39:31 PM
Dying man prayed to God:
- Please, Lord bring me to Yourself. Let this be my final birth, let this be my final death.
- Where do you think am I? - said the Lord. - Do you not know that I am all-pervading? If I was not here now how could I listen to your prayers? If you are what you think you are and I grant your wish this to be your final death then you pray for your extinction. Don't you know that on My side there is no death or birth? So how can you go to Me when I am everywhere and how can you die finally and to expect to be on my side? Just realize that there is nowhere to go and no one to die.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 06:00:05 PM
If you want to understand what is the effect of some medicine you should try it. No talks and theories can resolve the problem. One medicine has different effectivness to different people, sometimes has very bad side effects, sometimes does not bring good at all. There are however medicines that do not help much or at all but at least do not cause any harm. The wise doctor prescribes the medicine according to the uniqueness of the patient. It is the same with the spirituality. Guru is the doctor. There is only one medicine which always helps, does not do harm and is always sweet. This is the surrender to the Supreme God in the form of the Ishta Devata and the Guru. This is the milk and honey of the spiritual life. It is so sweet and nutritious that you don't want and need anything more.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 02, 2014, 07:40:50 PM
Let for a moment we all sing
the name of the beautiful King
Whose Name is above all
and His followers never fall.
Sages call Him Rama
and tell us that His Nama
destroys all sins from the core
and there is karma no more.
Because the power of this Vishnu Avatara
saves all from the torment of samsara.
So let for moment we put our actions away
and joyfully calling the Name of Rama today.

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 04, 2014, 03:35:07 AM
Lord Hanuman to Mandonari:
Am I in need of fruit?
I have the Fruit that makes this life
fruitful indeed.  Within my heart
The Tree of Rāma grows,
bearing salvation for its fruit.
Under the Wish-fulfilling Tree
of Rāma do I sit at ease,
plucking whatever fruit I will.
But if you speak of fruit -
no beggar, I, for common fruit.
Behold, I go,
leaving a bitter fruit for you."

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on February 04, 2014, 06:44:24 AM
It is also true that after the vision of God the devotee desires to witness His lila. After the destruction of Ravana at Rama's hands, Nikasha, Ravana's mother, began to run away for fear of her life. Lakshmana said to Rama: 'Revered Brother, please explain this strange thing to me. This Nikasha is an old woman who has suffered a great deal from the loss of her many sons, and yet she is so afraid of losing her own life that she is taking to her heels!' Rama bade her come near, gave her assurance of safety, and asked her why she was running away. Nikasha answered: 'O Rama, I am able to witness all this lila of Yours because I am still alive. I want to live longer so that I may see the many more things You will do on this earth.'

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Krishnan on February 04, 2014, 04:37:41 PM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya
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There have been many objections to the introduction of the idea of Grace in these writings. It is too closely associated with theology for these objectors' liking, too much connected with a God who favours some but neglects others. Grace was never taught by Buddha, they point out. And to those who have plodded wearily year after year along what seems an unrewarding spiritual quest, the idea either mocks their plight or is simply a remnant of theological imagination--unfactual and untrue. These critics are right in part, wrong in part. If Saint Paul used this term and concept "Grace" several times but may be thought too religious to be considered authoritative by modern seekers of a scientific bent, let them remember that Ramana Maharshi of India also used it several times and yet his bent was quite mystical and philosophic.

 - The Reverential Life, Paul Brunton
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 08, 2014, 02:06:11 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 08, 2014, 06:15:21 PM
"The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies but also to hate his friends." [Friedrich Nietzsche]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 08, 2014, 06:18:16 PM
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." [Arthur Schopenhauer]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 08, 2014, 06:23:21 PM
"If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." [Rene Descartes]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 08, 2014, 06:26:45 PM
"People are like dirt. They can either nourish you and help you grow as a person or they can stunt your growth and make you wilt and die." [Plato]
Title: My first musing called "If my ideal is the right one"
Post by: Hari on March 08, 2014, 11:22:35 PM
This are my musings which my heart wanted to share today, exactly in this topic which started because of my deep desire to know the Truth. This is the first of my series of posts.
Many things changed in me since the beginning and this is quite normal. Everyone changes. But there is something which did not change in me. I am sure it did not change in any of you. This is the desire to solve the problem of impermanence and unhappiness and to find the eternal happiness. So many sincere devotees, so many sencere answers and thoughts. This is what grabbed me to be here. Not only Ramana. I could read His books and not bother coming here. But the love and enthusiasm, the restlessness for the Truth which shines in this forum has more attractive power than the most powerful magnet. And I realized that people here are different. Yes, they are all devotees of Ramana more or less and accept His teachings but everyone is so unique. This made me realize that everyone has different understanding of what happiness is. Some believes that realizing the Self is the Goal. Others that serving at God's feet is the Goal. Everyone has his/her own ideal. But isn't the happiness the real ideal disguised as different searches, paths, religions, philosophies, desires, points of view, etc.? We all have changed our attitude towards life, religion or philosophy but our goal is the same, unchanged. Actually our desire for happiness is the only permanent thing in all this impermanent world. And then I asked myself ? why would I try to prove the others the Self is the goal when without any doubt many people does not share my ideal. If there is a eternal heaven where there are devotees who ecstatically serve the Lord intoxicated by the Love for Him then why should I try to change their mind and to convince them that they must overcome this and go 'beyond' to be liberated? Or that no matter if they want or not they will disappear in the ocean of the Self? Does the trying to kill the ideal of the other do any good to anybody (us or them)? Isn't that cruel? But if there is teaching which leads to the realization of Absolute and Only one Truth (for example Advaita), is supporting the Visishtadvaita or Dvaita do we not do harm to their followers, keeping silent about the Truth? "The Goal is one" most Sages say? But the Goal for the Christians is the heaven with Jesus, for the Muslims ? the heaven with Allah and His prophets. The Goal for Vaishnavas is Vaikuntha. The Goal for Shaivas is Kailasha. The Goal for Advaitin is the self-extinction and being the Absolute. So where is the Oneness of the Goal. There is much more diversity than Oneness. Is the Goal one? Or they are many, equally true and real? Or there is no Goal and searching It is an illusion? For me as a human who communes with other people drawn in spirituality the answers of these questions are important. This is my first musing which I called "If my ideal is the right one". Please, feel free to share your thoughts.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on March 09, 2014, 08:08:53 AM
Hari,
Wonderful post by you.I would like to say that I was drawn to this forum on account of your posts,perhaps in this thread -where you were raising an earnest point(paraphrased)-"If God is only a Dream how can i ever pray to him?" and was not getting heard.It was this or  a variant of this theme that you were raising and I felt that it was not getting the attention and not being a member then,I posted a response through our friend ksatk(Krishna).I still find yourself trying to reconcile this with the inexorable  advaitic Truth.
The Fundamental thing to be understood is that unity is not uniformity.Unity is something that is quite at ease with diversity.The Theme is one but its expressions are many.
An analogy from Music may help-An oboe playing a Note ,say E-flat sounds different than a flute playing the same note-E-Flat;this is on account of Harmonics that gives what is called the timbre,the tone that characterizes that particular instrument;when the instruments play together it adds to the colour of the music ,although the theme remains the same!
To illustrate ,I recommend this piece of wonderful music by Benjamin Britten-where the individual instrument sections ,i.e the Strings,the woodwinds,the Brass and the Percussion all combine to play the composition-Variations on a theme of Henry purcel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HhTMJ2bek0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HhTMJ2bek0)

We may think of the orchestra as a complex instrument played by the conductor-and the Music is the Goal;It is music whether played loud or soft,whether played by a single instrument as long as that instrument serve the music.

Sri Ramakrishna referring to this variety of expression says:

MYSELF: "What is the difference between a Hindu and a Brahmo?"
MASTER: "There is not much difference. In the serenade we have here, one flutist plays a single note right along, while another plays various melodies. The Brahmos play one note, as it were; they hold to the formless aspect of God. But the Hindus bring out different melodies; that is to say they enjoy God in His various aspects.
"The formless Deity and God with form may be likened to water and ice. The water freezes into ice. The ice melts into water through the heat of jnana. Water takes the form of ice through the cooling influence of bhakti".
"The Reality is one. People give It various names. Take the case of a lake with four landing-ghats on its four banks. People who draw water at one ghat call it 'jal', and those who draw it at the second ghat call it 'pani'. At the third ghat they call it 'water', and at the fourth, 'aqua'. But it is one and the same thing water."

Again,we have this conversation in The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:
The evening worship in the temples was over. Sri Ramakrishna was again seated in his room with M.
M. had been visiting the Master for the past two years and, had received his grace and blessings. He had been told that God was both with form and without form, that He
assumed forms for the sake of His devotees. To the worshipper of the formless God, the Master said: "Hold to your conviction, but remember that all is possible with God. He has form, and again, He is formless. He can be many things more."
MASTER (to M.): "You have accepted an ideal, that of God without form-isn't that so?"
M: "Yes, sir. But I also believe what you say-that all is possible with God. It is quite possible for God to have forms.?
MASTER: "Good. Remember further that, as Consciousness, He pervades the entire universe of the living and non-living."
M: "I think of Him as the consciousness in conscious beings."
MASTER: "Stick to that ideal now. There is no need of tearing down and changing one's attitude. You will gradually come to realize that the consciousness in conscious beings is the Consciousness of God. He alone is Consciousness".

Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on March 09, 2014, 08:34:18 AM
Hari,
I am copying what I have expressed in the Rough notebook -open forum thread :

Quote
The path of mind or jnana is a way of Rejection,it rejects everything as unreal to arrive at Truth.
The Path of the heart(seat of Love) or Devotion accepts everything as coming from God to arrive at Truth.

Both are equally valid and it is a matter of temperament and predilection of the aspirant as to the path through which he is lead
.

To add to this,I will just say that some may outwardly express one thing while inwardly they may cherish the other!They do not see any contradiction in this and are perfectly reconciled to the unity that underlies these approaches.

Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on March 09, 2014, 09:41:57 AM
Hari/Friends,
Coming to the so called 'Goal',I will post the conversations with Latu Maharaj(Swami AdbhutAnanda in the Rough-Notebook -Open Thread-He was called as Adbhutananda on account of his wonderful Realization-He was a 'servant boy' , totally untutored,unread and who did not even know the alphabets.He came to Sri Ramakrishna and was transformed into a paramahamsa)
Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: eranilkumarsinha on March 09, 2014, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from Sri Ravi:
"To add to this, I will just say that some may outwardly express one thing while inwardly they may cherish the other! They do not see any contradiction in this and are perfectly reconciled to the unity that underlies these approaches."

"The Fundamental thing to be understood is that unity is not uniformity. Unity is something that is quite at ease with diversity. The Theme is one but its expressions are many."



Dear Sri Ravi,

Ji, yes. Wonderful insights! Thanks very much, Sir.

Pranam,
 Anil



Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 09, 2014, 02:56:53 PM
Dear Sri Ravi,
unfortunately holistic Sages like Sri Ramakrishna are complete rarety. We cannot deny that. The others somehow willingly or unwillingly try to "convert" you to Their own belief or experience. And this I feel more like a harm than good. How many Sages you can name Who will accept your desire if you say "I believe in Vaikuntha being my last Abode. There is my Final Goal - to live with Lord Vishnu for eternity"?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 09, 2014, 08:46:27 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on March 10, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
Hari,
There is this wonderful excerpt from Ralph Waldo Emerson's essay on Self-Reliance:

There is a time in every man's education when he arrives at the conviction that envy is ignorance; that imitation is suicide; that he must take himself for better, for worse, as his portion; that though the wide universe is full of good, no kernel of nourishing corn can come to him but through his toil bestowed on that plot of ground which is given to him to till. The power which resides in him is new in nature, and none but he knows what that is which he can do, nor does he know until he has tried.

Why look upto others,be they sages,when our heart is set on an ideal-if that ideal be like what you have put:"I believe in Vaikuntha being my last Abode. There is my Final Goal - to live with Lord Vishnu for eternity"?

Sadhana is to immediately set about establishing this link with God and allowing him to lead us to wherever He wills.As long as we have the Divine company,what does it matter whither we go,even if it be to Hell!Why bother whether there is any place better than Hell or whether there is anyone dearer than God or whether there is any State more advanced than God Consciousness?

Here is a wonderful conversation from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:

JAYGOPAL: "How can we know that all paths are true?"
MASTER: "A man can reach God if he follows one path rjghtly. Then he can learn about all the other paths. It is like reaching the roof by some means or other. Then one is able to climb down by the wooden or stone stairs, by a bamboo pole, or even by a rope.
"A devotee can know everything when God's grace descends on him. If you but realize Him, you will be able to know all about Him. You should somehow meet the master of a house and become acquainted with him; then he himself will tell you how many houses he owns and all about his gardens and government seurities."

Again He says:

"God talked to me. It was not merely His vision. Yes, He talked to me. Under the banyan-tree I saw Him coming from the ganges. Then we laughed so much! By way of
playing with me He cracked my fingers. Then He talked. Yes, He talked to me.
"For three days I wept continuously. And He revealed to me what is in the Vedas, the Puranas, the Tantras, and the other scriptures".

This is the Great lesson to be learnt-to rely totally on God and not on this theory or that theory ,however logical and irrefutable it may be.The simple way is the way of prayer-to put all our soul into it and establish the connection with God who is the fount of all wisdom.He himself will then teach us all that we need to know and take us wherever we need to go.

Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 11, 2014, 12:30:32 AM
Thank you, Sri Ravi! Some series of posts of yours helped me very much. It was the words of Kanchi Mahaswami. http://www.ramana-maharshi.info/forum/index.php?topic=7697.msg46165#msg46165 (http://www.ramana-maharshi.info/forum/index.php?topic=7697.msg46165#msg46165). They were some of the most useful words for me that I have read along with those of Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Ramana.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on March 12, 2014, 06:17:24 AM
Hari,

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It was the words of Kanchi Mahaswami. http://www.ramana-maharshi.info/forum/index.php?topic=7697.msg46165#msg46165. They were some of the most useful words for me that I have read along with those of Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Ramana.

Yes,indeed the words of  Kanchi Mahaswami are verily nectar and they carry conviction and allay all doubts.
Namaskar
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 23, 2014, 09:13:44 AM
Mr. Frydman: Janaka was a Jnani and still he ruled his dominions. Does not action require activity of the mind? What is the rationale of the working of a jnani's mind?
Ramana Maharshi: You say, "Janaka was a Jnani and yet active, etc." Does Janaka ask the question? The question is in your mind only. The Jnani is not aware of anything besides the Self. He has no doubts of the kind.
Mr. Frydman: Probably it is like a dream. Just as we speak of our dreams, so they think of their actions.
Ramana Maharshi: Even the dream, etc. is in your mind. This explanation too is in your mind only.
Mr. Frydman: Yes. I see. All is Ramana-Maya - made up of the Self.
Ramana Maharshi: If so, there will be no duality and no talk.
Mr. Frydman: A man, on realising the Self, can help the world more effectively. Is it not so?
Ramana Maharshi: If the world be apart from the Self.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 26, 2014, 04:45:46 AM
"The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly." [Buddha]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 28, 2014, 03:50:27 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 31, 2014, 09:30:17 PM
When one devotee asked if it would be possible to prostrate before Sri Ramana and touch his feet, he replied: "The real feet of Bhagavan exist only in the heart of the devotee. To hold onto these feet incessantly is true happiness. You will be disappointed if you hold onto my physical feet because one day this physical body will disappear. The greatest worship is worshipping the Guru's feet that are within oneself."

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on April 04, 2014, 11:55:45 PM
"Deep sleep is only the state of non-duality. Can the difference between the individual and Universal souls persist there? Sleep implies forgetfulness of all differences: This alone constitutes happiness. See how carefully people prepare their beds to gain that happiness. Soft cushions, pillows and all the rest are meant to induce sound sleep, that is to say to end wakefulness. And yet the soft bed, etc., are of no use in the state of deep sleep itself. The implication is that all efforts are meant only to end ignorance. They have no use after realisation."
/Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi/

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on April 07, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
Dr. Lohara asked for the meaning of one stanza in "Upadesa Sara".
Ramana Maharshi: The one then in sleep is also now awake. There was happiness in sleep; but misery in wakefulness. There was no "I"- thought in sleep; but it is now, while awake. The state of happiness and of no "I-thought" in sleep is without effort. The aim should be to bring about that state even now. That requires effort.


Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on April 07, 2014, 12:29:55 PM
A disciple asked how he could recognise his own natural primal condition.
Ramana Maharshi: Absolute freedom from thoughts is the state conducive to such recognition.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on April 08, 2014, 11:31:28 AM
A visitor from Tirukoilur asked if the study of the sacred books will reveal the Truth.
Ramana Maharshi: That will not suffice.
Devotee: Why not?
Ramana Maharshi: Samadhi alone can reveal it. Thoughts cast a veil over Reality and so it cannot be clear in states other than Samadhi.
Devotee: Is there thought in Samadhi? Or is there not?
Ramana Maharshi: There will only be the feeling 'I am' and no other thoughts.
Devotee: Is not 'I am' a thought?
Ramana Maharshi: The egoless 'I am' is not thought. It is realisation. The meaning or significance of 'I' is God. The experience of 'I am' is to Be Still.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on April 09, 2014, 11:02:28 AM
The Master [Sri Ramana] observed: "Being of the nature of Bliss why does one continue to crave for happiness? To be rid of that craving is itself salvation. The Scriptures say, 'You are That'. The imparting of that knowledge is their purpose. The realisation must be by your finding out who you are and abiding as That, i.e. your Self. To be repeating, 'I am that' or 'not this' is only a waste of time. For the worthy disciple, the work lies within himself and not without."

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 07, 2014, 10:48:30 PM
Everything Is Best (Zen koan)

When Banzan was walking through a market he overheard a conversation between a butcher and his customer.
"Give me the best piece of meat you have," said the customer.
"Everything in my shop is the best," replied the butcher. "You cannot find here any piece of meat that is not the best."
At these words Banzan became enlightened.


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 18, 2014, 04:59:42 PM
Quote
        In the ancient times, there was a king named Janaka. Vedanta texts were recited everyday in His courtyard. One day, he heard the son of his high priest reciting verses from the Vedas.

        The young boy pronounced, "A man can become enlightened in between the time it takes for one foot to be placed in the stirrup of the saddle, and the second."

        Janaka was intrigued by this and questioned the boy. "Is this true?" he asked. And the boy said, "Yes, it is true."

        Janaka said, "Show me."

        But the boy confessed his inability, saying, "I am sorry, I am not realized so I cannot show you the truth of this sentence."

        Janaka became angry and said, "If you are not realized, then you do not know this is true. Therefore, you are lying to me, and falsely leading the people." And he put the boy in jail.

        Subsequently, the boy's father, the high priest, came to the palace to speak to Janaka and seek release for his son. Janaka asked him, "Tell me, is it true that a man can become enlightened in between the time it takes for one foot to be placed in the stirrup of the saddle, and the second?"

        The priest said, "Yes, this is true." So Janaka said, "Show me."

        But the priest responded, "I cannot show you, for I am not realized."

        This made Janaka outraged. He stormed, "Then, you do not know it's true. You are lying to me, and to the people of the kingdom."

        He sent the high priest to jail, and then began to ask the same question to all the Brahmins in the land, yet every time, they were unable to help him, for none had realized God. Janaka sent each one to prison.

        One day, an enlightened saint named Astavakra came to the palace to ask his wellbeing . He asked Janaka why he had sent all the brahmins to prison. Janaka said as they were unable to prove the truth of what they preach, he had send them to jail to stop further damage of social values. Astavakra asked if he wanted to know the truth of those words, Janaka affirmed with a great enthusiasm.

        Once in the woods, Janaka began to rise up on his horse by putting his foot in the stirrup and pulling himself up, but just before he swung his second foot around, Astavakra said, "Stop King, Don't you know that you must have a guru to be able to realize God?"

        Immediately Janaka said, "Master, I give you my body, my mind and every belonging I possess."

        Upon hearing this, Astavakra left to a nearby cave for several hours. When he returned, he was amazed to see Janaka still in the very same position he left him, with only one foot in the stirrup.

        Astavakra asked, "Oh, King! What happened to you? You haven't moved for hours."

        Janaka was vibrationless. He stated, "Master, I have given everything to you, and now I can't find anything to do or to think."

        Astavakra replied, "This foot in the saddle and self knowledge is meant for a high quality aspirant, and you are that. Janaka, behold this, that you are the ever liberated, pure, divine, eternal, self-illumined Self."

        As Astavakra said these words, Janaka realized this truth within himself, and thus became enlightened.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 21, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
"All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full." [King Solomon]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 24, 2014, 12:41:22 PM
"Things derive their being and nature by mutual dependence and are nothing in themselves." [Nagarjuna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 24, 2014, 08:12:23 PM
"If you desire ease, forsake learning." [Nagarjuna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 24, 2014, 08:20:46 PM
"All philosophies are mental fabrications. There has never been a single doctrine by which one could enter the true essence of things." [Nāgārjuna]


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 24, 2014, 08:37:41 PM
"I am not, I will not be.
I have not, I will not have.
This frightens all children,
And kills fear in the wise."
― Nāgārjuna ―

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 25, 2014, 07:46:23 PM
"What is this true meditation? It is to make everything: coughing, swallowing, waving the arms, motion, stillness, words, action, the evil and the good, prosperity and shame, gain and loss, right and wrong, into one single koan." [Hakuin]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 26, 2014, 01:04:28 PM
Sirshti-Drishti vada, Drishti-Srishti vada, Ajata vada.......How can they be true at the same time? And if they are not true at the same time then where is the unity of religions?
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2014, 02:29:36 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 27, 2014, 02:37:08 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 31, 2014, 01:18:54 AM
RABBIA

Rabbia, sick upon her bed,
By two saints was visited ?
Holy Malik, Hassan wise ?
Men of mark in Moslem eyes.

Hassan said, "Whose prayer is pure
Will God's chastisements endure."
Malik, from a deeper sense
Uttered his experience:
"He who loves his master's choice
Will in chastisement rejoice."

Rabbia saw some selfish will
In their maxims lingering still,
And replied "O men of grace,
He who sees his Master's face,
Will not in his prayers recall
That he is chastised at all!"

(http://wisemuslimwomen.org/images/muslimwomen/rabia_al-_adawiyya.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 31, 2014, 02:44:31 PM
Where Everything Is Music

Don't worry about saving these songs!
 And if one of our instruments breaks,
 it doesn't matter.

 We have fallen into the place
 where everything is music.

 The strumming and the flute notes
 rise into the atmosphere,
 and even if the whole world's harp
 should burn up, there will still be
 hidden instruments playing.

 So the candle flickers and goes out.
 We have a piece of flint, and a spark.

 This singing art is sea foam.
 The graceful movements come from a pearl
 somewhere on the ocean floor.

 Poems reach up like spindrift and the edge
 of driftwood along the beach, wanting!

 They derive
 from a slow and powerful root
 that we can't see.

 Stop the words now.
 Open the window in the center of your chest,
 and let the spirits fly in and out.

[Jalaluddin Rumi]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on May 31, 2014, 06:07:49 PM
Hari,

Rabbia is a great favourite of mine.It is quoted by Swami Vivekananda and is absolutely a beauty.The other one by Rumi is a beauty as well -all his poems are.They are imbued with parabhakti-jnana.
Thanks very much.
Namaskar
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 31, 2014, 06:08:40 PM
"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know." [Ralph Waldo Emerson]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 31, 2014, 06:10:34 PM
Hari,

Rabbia is a great favourite of mine.It is quoted by Swami Vivekananda and is absolutely a beauty.The other one by Rumi is a beauty as well -all his poems are.They are imbued with parabhakti-jnana.
Thanks very much.
Namaskar

Yes, Sri Ravi. They are beautiful souls indeed! Everyone loves them - muslim, christian, hindu, atheist, agnostic, whoever. Because in their words there is soul, there is spirit, there is love and wisdom.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 31, 2014, 07:15:20 PM
"The monk should shut all the gates of his soul, that is, the senses, so that he is not lured astray. When the intellect sees that it is not dominated by anything, it prepares itself for immortality, gathering its senses together and forming them into one body" [St Isaiah the Solitary, Philokalia]

(http://morethanbranding.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/senses.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on May 31, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 01, 2014, 10:06:30 PM
"For each and every person, our Lord and Master provides sustenance. Why are you so afraid, O mind? The flamingos fly hundreds of miles, leaving their young ones behind. Who feeds them, and who teaches them to feed themselves? Have you ever thought of this in your mind?" [Guru Nanak, Sri Guru Granth Sahib]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 01, 2014, 10:13:48 PM
"He Himself makes the mortals anxious, and He Himself takes the anxiety away." [Guru Amar Das, Sri Guru Granth Sahib]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 01, 2014, 10:57:36 PM
"He who lowers his mind to the dust of all men's feet, sees the Name of God enshrined in every heart." [Guru Arjan Dev, Sri Guru Granth Sahib]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 04, 2014, 09:00:58 PM
"The happiness of the drop is to die in the river." [Abu Hamid al-Ghazali]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 23, 2014, 09:02:11 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 18, 2014, 12:50:09 PM
"Great minds discuss ideas,
average minds discuss events,
small minds discuss people."

[Eleanor Roosevelt]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 26, 2014, 06:40:17 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 31, 2014, 01:53:59 PM
A visitor, Mr. K. S. N. Iyer of the South Indian Railway, said, "There is a trifling halting-place in my meditation. When I ask myself, "Who am I?" my reasoning proceeds as follows: I see my hand. Who sees it? My eye. How to see the eye? In a mirror. Similarly to see me, there must be a mirror. "Which is to supply the place of the mirror in me?" is my question."
Sri Ramana: Then why do you enquire, "Who am I?" Why do you say you are troubled and so on? You could as well remain quiet. Why do you rise out of your composure?
Devotee: Enquiring thus helps me to concentrate. Is concentration the only benefit?
Sri Ramana: What more do you want? Concentration is the thing. What makes you come out of your quiet?
Devotee: Because I am drawn out.
Sri Ramana: Enquiry of "Who am I?" means finding the source of "I". When that is found, that which you seek is accomplished.
[The gist of Sri Bhagavan?s words seems to be that one should make a concerted effort and not give it up baffled, with a defeatist
mentality.]
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 07, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on September 22, 2014, 02:13:49 PM
"Not to hurt our humble brethren (the animals) is our first duty to them, but to stop there is not enough. We have a higher mission: to be of service to them whenever they require it." [Saint Francis of Assisi]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 10, 2014, 02:10:27 AM
"Before I had studied Zen for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters." [Ch'uan Teng Lu, "The way of Zen"]

(http://www.fullfreestuff.com/image/downloads/mountain/Mountain-and-water.jpg)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 10, 2014, 02:50:11 AM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on October 13, 2014, 11:07:46 PM
No Water, No Moon

When the nun Chiyono studied Zen under Bukko of Engaku she was unable to attain the fruits of meditation for a long time.

At last one moonlit night she was carrying water in an old pail bound with bamboo. The bamboo broke and the bottom fell out of the pail, and at that moment Chiyono was set free!

In commemoration, she wrote a poem:

In this way and that I tried to save the old pail
since the bamboo strip was weakening and about
   to break
until at last the bottom fell out.
No more water in the pail!
No more moon in the water!

(https://geoffmead.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/mooninthewell.jpg?w=627)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on November 04, 2014, 11:48:25 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on December 15, 2014, 03:15:15 AM
"Four blind men went to see an elephant. One touched the leg of the elephant, and said, "The elephant is like a pillar." The second touched the trunk, and said, "The elephant is like a thick stick or club." The third touched the belly, and said, "The elephant is like a big jar." The fourth touched the ears, and said, "The elephant is like a winnowing basket." Thus they began to dispute amongst themselves as to the figure of the elephant. A passer-by seeing them thus quarrelling, said, "What is it that you are disputing about?" They told him everything, and asked him to arbitrate. That man said, "None of you has seen the elephant. The elephant is not like a pillar, its legs are like pillars. It is not like a big water-vessel, its belly is like a water-vessel. It is not like a winnowing basket, its ears are like winnowing baskets. It is not like a thick stick or club, but its proboscis is like that. The elephant is the combination of all these." In the same manner those quarrel who have seen one aspect only of the Deity." [Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 07, 2015, 02:15:42 PM
"You must regard other views as so many paths leading to God. You should not feel that your path is the only right path and that other paths are wrong. You mustn't bear malice toward others." [Sri Ramakrishna]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 09, 2015, 12:00:38 PM
"If anyone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God Whom he has not seen." [1 John 4:20]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 10, 2015, 06:25:06 PM
In spirituality there is nothing more dangerous than hypocrisy, deception and self-deception.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 12, 2015, 11:02:11 PM
In ancient Greece (469 - 399 BC), Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom. One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to him excitedly and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about one of your students?"

"Wait a moment," Socrates replied. "Before you tell me I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Test of Three."

"Test of Three?"

"That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my student let's take a moment to test what you're going to say. The first test is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?"

No," the man said, "actually I just heard about It."

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second test, the test of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my student something good?"

"No, on the contrary..."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him even though you're not certain it's true?"

The man shrugged, a little embarrassed.

Socrates continued. "You may still pass though, b ecause there is a third test - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my student going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really."

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither True nor Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me at all?"


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 15, 2015, 08:55:17 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 15, 2015, 10:21:48 PM
        People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway.

        If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway.

        If you are successful, you will win some unfaithful friends and some genuine enemies. Succeed anyway.

        If you are honest and sincere people may deceive you. Be honest and sincere anyway.

        What you spend years creating, others could destroy overnight. Create anyway.

        If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous. Be happy anyway.

        The good you do today, will often be forgotten. Do good anyway.

        Give the best you have, and it will never be enough. Give your best anyway.

        In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.

        Mother Teresa

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 19, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
Teachings' parallel

"Only two kinds of people can attain self-knowledge: those who are not encumbered at all with learning, that is to say, whose minds are not over-crowded with thoughts borrowed from others; and those who, after studying all the scriptures and sciences, have come to realise that they know nothing." [Sri Ramakrishna]

"I know that I know nothing" [Socrates] (the so called "Socratic paradox")


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 25, 2015, 03:22:03 PM
Disciple: Different spiritual persons say different things. How to find out which is the highest? Our choice is not necessarily that of the highest.

Mother: Each one goes to the limit of his consciousness. I have met many persons in Europe, India and Japan practicing yoga under different masters. Each claimed that his realization was the highest, he was quite sure about it and also quite satisfied with his condition, and yet each one was standing at a different place in consciousness and saying that he has attained the highest.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 25, 2015, 03:25:50 PM
Sri Ramakrishna: Only two kinds of people can attain self-knowledge: those who are not encumbered at all with learning, that is to say, whose minds are not over-crowded with thoughts borrowed from others; and those who, after studying all the scriptures and sciences, have come to realise that they know nothing.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 25, 2015, 08:48:37 PM
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Title: Conversation between Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda
Post by: Hari on February 26, 2015, 03:25:02 PM
Swami Vivekanand:- I can?t find free time. Life has become hectic.

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- Activity gets you busy. But productivity gets you free.

Swami Vivekanand:- Why has life become complicated now?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- Stop analyzing life. It makes it complicated. Just live it.

Swami Vivekanand:- Why are we then constantly unhappy?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- Worrying has become your habit. That?s why you are not happy.

Swami Vivekanand:- Why do good people always suffer?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- Diamond cannot be polished without friction. Gold cannot be purified without fire. Good people go through trials, but don?t suffer. With that experience their life becomes better, not bitter.

Swami Vivekanand:- You mean to say such experience is useful?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- Yes. In every term, Experience is a hard teacher. She gives the test first and the lessons afterwards.

Swami Vivekanand:- Because of so many problems, we don?t know where we are heading?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- If you look outside you will not know where you are heading. Look inside. Eyes provide sight. Heart provides the way.

Swami Vivekanand:- Does failure hurt more than moving in the right direction?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- Success is a measure as decided by others. Satisfaction is a measure as decided by you.

Swami Vivekanand:- In tough times, how do you stay motivated?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- Always look at how far you have come rather than how far you have to go. Always count your blessing, not what you are missing.

Swami Vivekanand:- What surprises you about people?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- When they suffer they ask, ?why me?? When they prosper, they never ask ?Why me??

Swami Vivekanand:- How can I get the best out of life?

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- Face your past without regret. Handle your present with confidence. Prepare for the future without fear.

Swami Vivekanand:- One last question. Sometimes I feel my prayers are not answered.

Ramkrishna Paramahansa:- There are no unanswered prayers. Keep the faith and drop the fear. Life is a mystery to solve, not a problem to resolve. Trust me. Life is wonderful if you know how to live.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 26, 2015, 03:32:59 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on February 26, 2015, 06:55:50 PM
Hari,
The conversation between Sri Ramakrishna and Vivekananda is fictitious.This is not from any authentic source.Please check it out.
Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 26, 2015, 11:27:59 PM
Sri Ravi,
yes, I had such suspicion mainly because the style of Sri Ramakrishna's answers were not much like Him. :) Thank you.

I want to ask you something also. A time ago I downloaded some book for Sri Ramakrishna which was very volumetric. It was claimed it was as much important and authentic as The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. But I lost it. Do you have an idea which was that book. It was more than 1000 pages like the Gospel. I think there was stories about His life or something in this vein. I did not start reading it so I cannot give you specific direction.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 26, 2015, 11:37:46 PM
In Tokyo in the Meiji era there lived two prominent teachers of opposite characteristics. One, Unsho, an instructor in Shingon, kept Buddha's precepts scrupulously. He never drank intoxicants, nor did he eat after eleven o'clock in the morning. The other teacher, Tanzan, a professor of philosophy at the Imperial University, never observed the precepts. When he felt like eating, he ate, and when he felt like sleeping in the daytime, he slept.

One day Unsho visited Tanzan, who was drinking wine at the time, not even a drop of which is supposed to touch the tongue of a Buddhist.

"Hello, brother," Tanzan greeted him. "Won't you have a drink?"

"I never drink!" exclaimed Unsho solemnly.

"One who does not drink is not even human," said Tanzan.

"Do you mean to call me inhuman just because I do not indulge in intoxicating liquids!" exclaimed Unsho in anger. "Then if I am not human, what am I?"

"A Buddha," answered Tanzan.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: shiba on February 27, 2015, 04:50:15 AM
Though I am a Japanease I haven't know well about Tanzan and Unsyo till now . shame.

Tanzan(原 坦山) renounced the world and became a Zen monk when he was 20 (or 26). After he realized the truth, he become the first professor of  Indian philosophy at the Imperial University.

Another intersting story about Tanzan. I have known the content but I haven't know it is about Tanzan.

When Tanzan was young, he was on training journey with another monk. They came to a big river, and there was no brigde, no boat. Taking their clothes off, they tried to cross the river, and they saw a young woman being at a loss not to cross the river.

Tanzan, without least hesitation, saying, " I will carry you on my back and help you to cross the river", carrying her on his back he helped the woman to cross the river. After that the two men further continued the journey, but after a while, another monk blamed Tanzan, " Though you are monk who renouned the world, aren't you be ashamed of yourself for touching the woman".

 It is said that then Tanzan said to him, " Are you still hugging the woman? I put down her completely when I finished crossing the river."

 
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: shiba on February 27, 2015, 04:58:44 AM
Correction.

When Tanzan crossed the river, he carried the woman in his arms, not on his back :).
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on February 27, 2015, 06:01:54 AM
Hari,

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yes, I had such suspicion mainly because the style of Sri Ramakrishna's answers were not much like Him.

How about 'Vivekanand's' questions?Don't they sound hollow?

The question and answer session is nothing but  'creativity' of some third grade management Guru aspiring to be a spiritual guru!Nowadays it is pretty common for a management Guru to take on the mantle of a spiritual guru and vice versa-everything is okay as long as it brings Kubera's blessings(Dollars!)

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I want to ask you something also. A time ago I downloaded some book for Sri Ramakrishna which was very volumetric. It was claimed it was as much important and authentic as The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. But I lost it. Do you have an idea which was that book. It was more than 1000 pages like the Gospel. I think there was stories about His life or something in this vein. I did not start reading it so I cannot give you specific direction.

I think the book that you are referring to is 'Sri Ramakrishna,The Great Master' by his disciple Swami Saradananda.Although Swami Saradananda is a direct disciple of Sri Ramakrishna and had taken pains to compile this book-I will not say that it is as authentic as The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna.
The Reasons are:
1.Swami Saradananda began writing this book a long time after sri Ramakrishna had passed away-so much of it is from memory.
2.He gathered material from other people who had moved with Sri Ramakrishna-so there are likelihood of inaccuracies on account of this 'hearsay'
3.The Swami interprets the doings of the Masster in his Light and this is what Swami Vivekananda refrained from doing-Trying to paint Siva and end up drawing the picture of a monkey!Although Swami Saradananda was a Great soul,yet the 'interpretative' element comes into play and I have found that sometimes instead of clarifying it may tend to cloud the understanding of the Reader.

Valuable as this book is,I would say that it does not match The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna -The Gospel is a unique book that is untainted by any sort of 'interpretation' and brings the exact words and conversations of Sri Ramakrishna as it happened.

You may take a preview of the kindle version of the Book 'Sri Ramakrishna,The Great Master' by Swami Saradananda from this site:
http://www.amazon.com/Ramakrishna-The-Great-Master-Swami-Saradananda-ebook/dp/B0083BJDME (http://www.amazon.com/Ramakrishna-The-Great-Master-Swami-Saradananda-ebook/dp/B0083BJDME)

The Kindle version allows  'copy and paste' thus facilitating excerpts to be shared.

The pdf ebook version is available as a free download from this site.This is a scanned version and it is not possible to share excerpts.Please check:
www.estudantedavedanta.net (http://www.estudantedavedanta.net)

Namaskar
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on February 27, 2015, 06:10:28 AM
Hari/Friends,
I shall post a couple of Excerpts from 'sri Ramakrishna ,The Great Master' pertaing to the extraordinary love that the Master had for Narendra (Swami Vivekananda), in the Rough Notebook thread.
Namaskar.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 27, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
Yes, dear shiba,
this reminds me about the Bhagavan's explanation about married people and sannyasins. Actually the attachments are in the mind. The place and situation is almost immaterial. :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 27, 2015, 08:42:23 PM
Yes, Sri Ravi, I think that's the book I meant. I don't know about its authenticity but from the excerpts you have posted it does not seem to be so attractive and beautiful as the Gospel but I will give it a try.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 02, 2015, 04:46:39 PM
Mhm, Sri Ravi, I read the first 150 pages from the book and definately take my words back. This book is beautiful and I don't know what the 'learned' people think but I feel that this book is as much correct and authorative as the Gospel. And it is full of love and devotion. Thank you again for helping me find it. This is actually the book I needed right now.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on March 02, 2015, 08:15:38 PM
Hari,

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This book is beautiful and I don't know what the 'learned' people think but I feel that this book is as much correct and authorative as the Gospel. And it is full of love and devotion.

This definitely is one of the most authoritative depiction of Sri Ramakrishna's Life and is truly a treasure that is as invaluable as The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna.It is written with great devotion by a great soul,Sarat Maharaj(Swami Saradananda),a direct disciple of the Master.What I have referred to is that it does not capture the words and teachings of Sri Ramakrishna without any sort of interpretation  and stenographic precision like the way the Gospel does.
Yet it does evoke the times and spirit of the Master and brings him alive to the reader and tells the story of his unique manifestation and glory.The Descriptions and narrative style is very vivid and deeply devotional.Whoever reads this book will certainly be ushered into  the fragrant presence of Divine.

The story goes that when sarat as a lad in his teens visited Sri Ramakrishna,the master in ecstasy sat on his lap saying that he was testing how much burden the lad could bear!Sarat later on became the Secretary of the Ramakrishna Order of monks and had to bear the onerous responsibility of running the activities of the mutt and mission.As Swami Saradananda ,he took care of Holy Mother Sri sarada Devi as her attendant.He called himself her 'Gate Keeper' and built a house for her in Calcutta for which he took a huge loan.To Repay the loan ,he began writing the Life of the Master as a series of articles in the Magazine Udbodhan and was successful in repaying the loan!After,the passing away of The Holy Mother,the swami gave up writing the series and this indeed is a loss for us as he definitely had much more to share about Holy Mother's life as well.

Each one of the Master's disciples was a Great soul and there are good biographies available on their lives as well.I warmly recommend the Life of Swami Brahmananda(Rakhal was considered the spiritual son of Sri Ramakrishna) -It is called 'The Eternal Companion'.This book is also deeply devotional and what is more important it is full of practical hints for seekers-an excellent book .It is available in amazon as a kindle edition:
http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Companion-Swami-Prabhavananda/dp/0874810248 (http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Companion-Swami-Prabhavananda/dp/0874810248)

You may like to check portions of this book available a free download here:
http://www.estudantedavedanta.net/Life%20of%20Swami%20Brahmananda.pdf (http://www.estudantedavedanta.net/Life%20of%20Swami%20Brahmananda.pdf)

Namaskar
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Ravi.N on March 02, 2015, 09:14:48 PM
Hari,
You may be interested in watching this Documentary on sri Ramakrishna and Vivekananda-it is well narrated ,although the video quality is poor by present standards.Please check:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAUYFSElzIw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAUYFSElzIw)
This documentary  will help to review all that one has read in the book 'Sri Ramakrishna,The Great Master'.
Namaskar
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on March 05, 2015, 02:12:44 PM
Thank you, Sri Ravi. The movie was so deep, meaningful and beautiful.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on July 11, 2015, 01:50:27 PM
"Space seems broken and diverse because of the many forms in it. Remove the forms and pure space remains. So, too with the Omnipresent Self." Sri Shankara

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 06, 2015, 01:04:36 AM
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Train tirelessly to defeat the greatest enemy
Yourself,
and to discover the greatest master,
Yourself.

Shi Su Yan
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 06, 2015, 01:11:12 AM
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He who has no entrapping clinging desire
to lead him in any direction,
that Buddha,
whose home is in the infinite,
pathless as he is,
by what path will you lead him?

Buddha from Dhammapada
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 06, 2015, 10:57:39 PM
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If you begin to understand what you are
without trying to change it,
than what you are undergoes a transformation.

Jiddu Krishnamurti
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 06, 2015, 11:22:14 PM
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Finding does not come from seeking.
Finding comes from relinquishing the search.
Relax and soften.
It will shine when it shines.

Wu Hsin
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 07, 2015, 12:00:26 PM
"It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness." [Chinese proverb]

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 07, 2015, 12:15:13 PM
"The Master is within; meditation is meant to remove the ignorant idea that he is only outside. If he were a stranger whom you were awaiting he would be bound to disappear also. What would be the use of a transient being like that? But as long as you think that you are separate or are the body, so long is the outer Master also necessary and he will appear as if with a body. When the wrong identification of oneself with the body ceases the Master is found to be none other than the Self." [Ramana Maharshi]
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 08, 2015, 02:23:06 AM
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Where is the boundary between the silence and
The peal of the temple gong ringing; or
Between the cresting wave and
The vast ocean?
All there is is
Arising and falling within
The Great Unity.

Wu Hsin
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 08, 2015, 02:32:31 AM
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Let the waves of the universe
rise and fall as they will.
You have noting to gain or lose.
You are the Ocean.

Ashtavakra Gita
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 11, 2015, 01:01:08 AM
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Questioning how to live
Misses the mark.
It is better to inquire
What is it that is living?

Wu Hsin
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 11, 2015, 01:03:03 AM
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Entranced by the beautiful flowers,
One misses the root which is
Clear and evident.
With the trance broken,
The fullness reveals itself.

Wu Hsin
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 20, 2015, 01:22:04 PM
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Our Lord saith that the Kingdom of God is near us. Yea, the Kingdom of God is within us as St Paul saith ?our salvation is nearer than when we believed.? Now we should know in what manner the Kingdom of God is near us. Therefore let us pay diligent attention to the meaning of the words. If I were a king, and did not know it, I should not really be a king. But, if I were fully convinced that I was a king, and all mankind coincided in my belief, and I knew that they shared my conviction, I should indeed be a king, and all the wealth of the king would be mine. But, if one of these three conditions were lacking, I should not really be a king.

In similar fashion our salvation depends upon our knowing and recognizing the Chief Good which is God Himself. I have a capacity in my soul for taking in God entirely. I am as sure as I live that nothing is so near to me as God. God is nearer to me than I am to myself; my existence depends on the nearness and presence of God. He is also near things of wood and stone, but they know it not. If a piece of wood became as aware of the nearness of God as an archangel is, the piece of wood would be as happy as an archangel. For this reason man is happier than the inanimate wood, because he knows and understands how God is near him. His happiness increases and diminishes in proportion to the increase and diminution in his knowledge of this. His happiness does not arise from this that God is near him, and in him, and that He possesses God; but from this, that he knows the nearness of God, and loves Him, and is aware that ?the Kingdom of God is near.? So, when I think on God?s Kingdom, I am compelled to be silent because of its immensity, because God?s Kingdom is none other than God Himself with all His riches. God?s Kingdom is no small thing: we may survey in imagination all the worlds of God?s creation, but they are not God?s Kingdom. In whichever soul God?s Kingdom appeareth, and which knoweth God?s Kingdom, that soul needeth no human preaching or instruction; it is taught from within and assured of eternal life. Whoever knows and recognizes how near God?s Kingdom is to him may say with Jacob, ?God is in this place, and I knew it not.?

God is equally near in all creatures. The wise man saith, ?God hath spread out His net over all creatures, so that whosoever wishes to discover Him may find and recognize Him in each one.? Another saith, ?He knows God rightly who recognizes Him alike in all things.? To serve God with fear is good; to serve Him out of love is better; but to fear and love Him together is best of all. To have a restful or peaceful life in God is good; to bear a life of pain in patience is better; but to have peace in the midst of pain is the best of all.

A man may go into the field and say his prayer and be aware of God, or, he may be in Church and be aware of God; but, if he is more aware of Him because he is in a quiet place, that is his own deficiency and not due to God, Who is alike present in all things and places, and is willing to give Himself everywhere so far as lies in Him. He knows God rightly who knows Him everywhere. St Bernard saith, ?How is it that mine eye and not my foot sees heaven? Because mine eye is more like heaven than my foot is. So, if my soul is to know God, it must be God-like.?

Now, how is the soul to arrive at this heavenly state that it recognizes God in itself, and knows that He is near? By copying the heavens, which can receive no impulse from without to mar their tranquility. Thus must the soul, which would know God, be rooted and grounded in Him so steadfastly, as to suffer no perturbation of fear or hope, or joy or sorrow, or love or hate, or anything which may disturb its peace.

The heavens are everywhere alike remote from earth, so should the soul be remote from all earthly things alike so as not to be nearer to one than another. It should keep the same attitude of aloofness in love and hate, in possession and renouncement, that is, it should be simultaneously dead, resigned and lifted up. The heavens are pure and clear without shadow of stain, out of space and out of time. Nothing corporeal is found there. Their revolutions are incredibly swift and independent of time, though time depends on them. Nothing hinders the soul so much in attaining to the knowledge of God as time and place. Therefore, if the soul is to know God, it must know Him outside time and place, since God is neither in this or that, but One and above them. If the soul is to see God, it must look at nothing in time; for while the soul is occupied with time or place or any image of the kind, it cannot recognize God. If it is to know Him, it must have no fellowship with nothingness. Only he knows God who recognizes that all creatures are nothingness. For, if one creature be set over against another, it may appear to be beautiful and somewhat, but if it be set over against God, it is nothing. I say moreover: If the soul is to know God it must forget itself and lose itself, for as long as it contemplates self, it cannot contemplate God. When it has lost itself and everything in God, it finds itself again in God when it attains to the knowledge of Him, and it finds also everything which it had abandoned complete in God. If I am to know the highest good, and the everlasting Godhead, truly, I must know them as they are in themselves apart from creation. If I am to know real existence, I must know it as it is in itself, not as it is parceled out in creatures.

The whole Being of God is contained in God alone. The whole of humanity is not contained in one man, for one man is not all men. But in God the soul knows all humanity, and all things at their highest level of existence, since it knows them in their essence. Suppose any one to be in a beautifully adorned house: he would know much more about it than one who had never entered therein, and yet wished to speak much about it. Thus, I am as sure, as I am of my own existence and God?s, that, if the soul is to know God, it must know Him outside of time and place. Such a soul will know clearly how near God?s kingdom is.

Schoolmen have often asked how it is possible for the soul to know God. It is not from severity that God demands much from men in order to obtain the knowledge of Himself: it is of His kindness that He wills the soul by effort to grow capacious of receiving much, and that He may give much. Let no man think that to attain this knowledge is too difficult, although it may sound so, and indeed the commencement of it, and the renouncement of all things, is difficult. But
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when one attains to it, no life is easier nor more pleasant nor more lovable, since God is always endeavouring to dwell with man, and teach him in order to bring him to Himself. No man desires anything so eagerly as God desires to bring men to the knowledge of Himself. God is always ready, but we are very unready. God is near us, but we are far from Him. God is within, and we are without. God is friendly; we are estranged. The prophet saith, ?God leadeth the righteous by a narrow path into a broad and wide place, that is into the true freedom of those who have become one spirit with God.? May God help us all to follow Him that He may bring us to Himself. Amen.

Meister Eckhart
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 30, 2015, 10:49:29 PM
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    Someone once asked the Buddha skeptically, "What have you gained through meditation."

    The Buddha replied, "Nothing at all."

    "Then, Blessed One, what good is it?"

    "Let me tell you what I lost through meditation: sickness, anger, depression, insecurity, the burden of old age, the fear of death. That is the good of meditation, which leads to nirvana."
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on March 19, 2016, 06:16:39 PM
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What is it that knows when
There is a cessation of thought?

When the unstruck gong is heard,
All is complete.

Wu Hsin
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on June 05, 2016, 10:07:45 AM
The questioner says: "I maintain that the physical body of the man sunk in samadhi as a result of unbroken contemplation of the Self, becomes motionless for that reason. It may be active or inactive. The mind fixed in such contemplation will not be affected by the body or the senses being restless. A disturbance of the mind is not always the forerunner of physical activity. Another man asserts that physical unrest certainly prevents nirvikalpa samadhi or unbroken contemplation. What is your opinion? You are the standing proof of my statement."

Sri Ramana replied: "Both of you are right, you refer to sahaja nirvikalpa and the other refers to kevala nirvikalpa. In the one case the mind lies immersed in the light of the Self (whereas the same lies in the darkness of ignorance in deep sleep). The subject discriminates one from the other ? samadhi, stirring up from samadhi, and activity thereafter, unrest of the body, of the sight, of the vital force and of the mind, the cognizance of objects and activity, are all obstructions for him.

In sahaja, however, the mind has resolved itself into the Self and has been lost. Differences and obstructions mentioned above do not therefore exist here. The activities of such a being are like the feeding of a somnolent boy, perceptible to the onlooker (but not to the subject). The driver sleeping on his moving cart is not aware of the motion of the cart, because his mind is sunk in darkness. Similarly the sahaja jnani (liberated sage) remains unaware of his bodily activities because his mind is dead, having been resolved in the ecstasy of Awareness (Self)."


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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on February 23, 2017, 09:16:30 PM
Happy to see you!!!
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on February 23, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
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In pure being consciousness arises;
in consciousness the world appears and disappears.
All there is is me, all there is is mine.
Before all beginnings, after all endings -- I am.
All has its being in me, in the 'I am', that shines in every living being.
Even not- being is unthinkable without me.
Whatever happens, I must be there to witness it.

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on February 25, 2017, 08:27:36 PM
Always nice to see you, Jewell  :)
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on February 26, 2017, 06:40:58 PM
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Hari on August 05, 2017, 11:48:31 PM
The next day Sri Bhagavan said: These people want some japa, dhyana, or yoga or something similar. Without their saying what they have been doing so far what more can be said to them? Again, why japa, its phalasruti, etc.? Who is it that makes the japa? Who gets the fruits thereof? Can they not look to the Self? Or again, even if instructed by others to do japa or dhyana, they do it for some time, but are always looking to some results, e.g., visions, dreams, or thaumaturgic powers. If they do not find them they say they are not progressing or the tapas is not effective. Visions, etc., are no signs of progress. Mere performance of tapas is its progress also. Steadiness is what is required. Moreover they must entrust themselves to their mantra or their God and wait for its Grace. They don?t do so. Japa even once uttered has its own good effect, whether the individual is aware or not.
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on August 11, 2017, 11:23:48 PM
How i missed this post! ???

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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
Post by: Jewell on March 08, 2018, 03:03:26 AM
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While looking at the moon, the space in between did not come to your attention.
Therefore, it is Consciousness without an object.
If this space is separated, and is made an object of sight, this Pure Knowledge is transformed into a zero,
 because if Space is seen separately, the modification of the mind becomes a void.
If there is any difference between Space and Pure Knowledge it is this:
To separately look at one's own nature is Space, and when the 'looking' is abandoned,
it is 'Pure Knowledge'.

Sri Siddharameshwar Maharaj
Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
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Title: Re: Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
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