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Title: Mantras
Post by: Hari on September 14, 2011, 05:39:03 PM
Can we choose wich mantra to chant or we need initiation by Guru.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on September 14, 2011, 05:55:53 PM
Traditionally speaking, according to the shruti's any mantra will only be effective only when we receive a Dheeksha from a Guru.

Legend has it that even Valmiki got Rama Naama Dheeksha from Narada. At that time, Valmiki could not even utter the word "Rama" and was only able to utter it as "Mara"

However, these days, people take up by themlseves, which too will accrue same effect. Its best to seek a Guru and get a Dheeksha specially if it is a "Mantra"

For Nama Japa, one may take by oneself, say Rama, Rama Jai Raja Ram, Rama, Rama Jai Sita Ram or Hare Ram Hare Ram Ram Ram Hare Hare. Bhagavata says, Nama Smarana is best for Kali Yuga to get salvation.

Since in our country we have the Guru Sihsya Parampara since time immemorial, its best advised to seek from one Guru.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 14, 2011, 06:23:01 PM


Dear Ramana 1359,

All mantras require initiation by Guru.  But Sri Bhagavan has told
everyone to chant Arunachala Siva. He wrote AAMM in the beginning
for his devotees where Arunachala Siva comes. At the end, before
His leaving His mortal coil, when the devotees sang AAMM, He  shed
tears of bliss. So He has approved this mantra for all His devotees.



Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Anand on September 14, 2011, 09:49:13 PM
Dear friends,
In the Arunachala Mahatmyam , it is said that Arunachala Shiva recited once equals  one crore times OM NAmah Shivaya.
Out of curiosity , is there someone who is versed with MAntra Yoga who can quantify the fruits that are achieved with Japa of Om Namo Shivaya.
Anand.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 15, 2011, 10:48:36 AM


Dear Anand,

I have been initiated in Sri Pachadasakshari.  I have been telling these
mantras also.  I also chant Arunachala Siva.  But I have never tried
to quantify the benefits. Quantification is an act of ego.  The Maahatmyam
says so only to highlight the importance of the mantra Arunachalam.
 Nothing more.



Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on September 22, 2011, 10:30:01 PM
Dear Ramana 1359,

To supplement the above posting, let me write:
Mananat thrayate ithi mantraH – means that which protects or help us to cross ‘samsara’ (life in this world). This is the literal meaning of the word. It is not compiled or composed by anybody; it is there in the akasha. The first one who receives (heard) it is known as its ‘Rishi’ and he imparts it to his disciples and a ‘parampara’ (lineage) is born for that mantra. Sri Parameswara is considered as first Rishi. There are various Rishis for various mantras. There were (are) Gurus having the knowledge of more than eight crore of them.
There are ‘nama’ mantras and beeja mantras. Mantra is the form of a particular deity, which becomes the centre of your consciousness, on repeated recitation. For example, for five-faced Shiva, there is Panchakshari; for six-faced Subramanian, it is Shadakshari and for Sri Lalitha, there is thrikuda Panchadasi.
Bhagavan had confirmed the benefit of reciting the names of Gods and doing Mantra –japa, pooja etc. if the devotee had already been used/ advised by his guru to do so. But to my knowledge he, himself, was not used to give any such advices. In Mathrubhutheswari Sannidhi, there is Sri Chakra prathista and pooja is still going on (in which the recitation of mantra is unavoidable).
Bhagavan had been sarcastic when a devotee grieved that there was no progress for him even after doing the mantra japa everyday. Though Bhagavan had been silent, later he told the others that one’s duty was to do the japa as advised by the Guru and not assessing the progress or benefit.
Generally, Mantras have to be received from a proper Guru (Deeksha). Remember that a jeeva (life) is born only from another jeeva. The learned ones advise that it is better to get from a Guru which has a tremendous effect on the disciple. It leads to ultimate knowledge and Mukti.
Otherwise select any Mantra according to one’s own taste and liking. This also has great purificatory effect. Sidha Mantras like ‘Om Sri Mahaganapathaye’; ‘Om Nama Sivaya’; ‘Om namo Narayanaya’; ‘Hari Om’ etc.. may be selected accordingly.
Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya


Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Hari on September 23, 2011, 12:22:32 AM
What about the people who cannot find their Guru must do? Or they who follow a Guru who is not physically present? Do they have to forget about japa practice? Is mantra japa something like concentration practice or there is something more?
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on September 23, 2011, 10:21:43 AM
What about the people who cannot find their Guru must do? Or they who follow a Guru who is not physically present? Do they have to forget about japa practice? Is mantra japa something like concentration practice or there is something more?

Dear ramana1359

it can never happen that one does not find a Guru. That is impossible! A Guru is always there, just we need to recognise HIM. He is just before us like the huge himalayas, just we need to recognise that.

This can never happen that one does not find a guru. so :) no worries, the more we sincerely we do our bit, we would be able to recognise the Gurur who is  even Pratyaksha ever present!

not only Mantra, keep chanting shlokas, with deep fervor, bhakti.

Have this attitude,

त्वमेव माता च पिता त्वमेव, त्वमेव बन्धुश्च सखा त्वमेव, त्वमेव विद्या, द्रविणं त्वमेव, त्वमेव सर्वं ममः देवदेवा

Tvameva Maataa Ca Pitaa Tvameva
Tvameva Bandhush-Ca Sakhaa Tvameva
Tvameva Vidyaa Dravinnam Tvameva
Tvameva Sarvam Mama Deva Deva

You are my Mother And You Truly are my Father
You are my Relative And You Truly are my Friend
You are my Knowledge and You Truly are my Wealth
You are my All, My God of Gods

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on September 23, 2011, 10:33:44 AM
and moreover, A guru can appear in any way, He could be just your mother, father or your uncle, he could be your teacher as well.

Approach the one you respect the maximum who is in your vicinity, it could be some body, grandfather, a respected elder. Approach such a respected person and seek guidance in this regard :)

Satguru Paahi Paahi,

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on September 23, 2011, 10:54:06 AM

Dear Sri Ramana 1359,

Q: What about the people who cannot find their Guru must do?

Ans: Just do whatever is familiar and capable by one in his pursuit – reading spiritual scripts, chanting sthothras/ names, visiting religious places etc. One’s entry into this forum/ similar ones will initiate him.

Guru need not be a different physical body. There was no such physical Guru for Bhagavan as told by him. Further, if required and destined so, Guru will come to you at the appropriate time. One need not search for a Guru. Since the guru is the grace of God, it has its own way.

Ultimately, there is only one’s self and no Guru apart from that. Another person, book, incident, emotion etc may help and direct one to that self- that’s known as God’s grace.

Q: Or they who follow a Guru who is not physically present?                                       

Ans: Still you reach your goal. We have the example of Sri Ramana Bhagavan.

Q: Do they have to forget about japa practice?

If you are able to proceed in the path as Bhagavan advised, there is no need for such practices. But if you are not ripe enough due to acquired Vasanas, it will help.

Q:  Is mantra japa something like concentration practice or there is something more?

It depends on the approach. The major effect is that it helps to concentrate. But for that purpose you may use simple Nama mantras.  There is much more,  which is even beyond our imagination. You create your own Deities in a form of your liking and  with their help go beyond to Advaitha. One also gets Sidhis and immense power through them which can be used for good/evil. Just for understanding it is like generating electricity. The world of Mantra is like world of music and there is no end if one goes on exploring.

Bhagavan had not given much importance to these things. Yes, it has not much effect on Jnanis. Hence  we need not explore much in this area. If one is already initiated and doing Sadhana, it is OK.

Personal: I believe that my Sadhana before and after initiation led me to Bhagavan. I got the direction to Bhagavan from  my Guru. Hence it is my suggestion that one may not bother about all these things once he is within the grace of Bhagavan. The discussion is good only for the purpose of information.

Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya

Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on September 23, 2011, 01:57:56 PM


Dear friend,

Why do you say that a Guru is not available, what to do?  Sri Bhagavan is our first Guru and
He has told us Arunachala Siiva,  Arunachala Siva.  He has sung AAMM and even on the last
day, when people seeing the hopeless state of Sri Bhagavan mortal coil, started singing
Arunachala Siva, Arunachala Siva. And He looked at them approvingly with tears of bliss
coming out of His eyes.  That is His approval of mantra for all.



Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Hari on November 20, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
Can we do japa without mala?
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 21, 2011, 05:52:55 AM
Dear ramana,

Yes. One can count with fingers and do japa.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 21, 2011, 10:08:03 AM
Yes, it is mandatory to have minimum counts of atleast 108 to start with. Traditional practices recommend 3 times during the day: During Sunrise, During Mid day and During Sunset. It has to be done facing the east.

With the progression of this Sadhana, eventually, one can culminate this japam during work and etc. But before that, atleast a minimum of 6 month of strict practice of 3 times a day is mandatory. It is important to maintain the time very much because, it trains us from all other duties and to give more importance to Japa during these three times.

One of the most used ways of keeping count of Japam with fingers is given aside. One should count upto 10 and then count from back to first again and one cycle completes 20 counts and 5 such 20 counts makes it 100 + 8 counts makes it one complete Japa of 108 counts.

Another way recommended is the use of Japa Mala. Commonly, people use the main index finger to keep counts which is wrong to do so. The Shrutis say, one has to rest the Japa mala in the middle finger and count using the thumb. Image as given aside. One should never use the index finger for any purpose in any ritual performance.
(http://www.namboothiri.com/images/nam_count_fig_2.jpg)(http://mala-beads.50webs.com/malapicturesmall.jpg)

Before one commences the Japa, one should wash his limbs and face and sit in one calm corner upon a mat and prepare oneself mentally and begin the Sadhana. It has to be done slowly and not fast very rhythmically

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on November 21, 2011, 10:19:50 AM

Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!


Dear Ramana1359,

Various methods are there in doing japas just like doing cooking. First one has to select a line as given by his Guru or according to his vasanas or tastes and stick on to it. In due course he will get the information / wisdom to proceed further.

Generally it may be confusing if one goes for shopping all the methods.

Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 21, 2011, 10:43:35 AM
Dear ramana and Sreeswaroop,

Sri Bhagavan had asked Annamalai Swami and Muruganar ( on different occasions)
to chant Siva, Siva.  When one Rama Sastri from Andhra Pradesh who had come for
Darshan sought a mantra from Sri Bhagavan, He told Sastri: Your name itself is Rama
Sastri.  What better mantra can you have than Rama, Rama?  When Akhilandamma asked
 for a mantra upadesa, He had said:- What mantra can I give you? Pray: Please give me
My Self!  Akhilandamma did not understand this. But she was praying like that!  For another
devotee, who was also a lady, He wrote on a piece of paper, "Om Namo Bhagavate Sri
Ramanaya!"

So, mantras vary according to the nature of a devotee.


Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on November 21, 2011, 10:53:08 AM
Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!

Dear Subramanianji,

Very much yes. Further it depends on the level of evolvement of the devotee.

The strange thing  is  that people see Manthras as a magic stick, obtaining which, they get Punya or fulfil their desires.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 21, 2011, 11:10:04 AM
Dear Subramanian Sir, Sreeswaroop ji,

Yes, majority of the people consider mantras as magic words that is capable of confering to them their desires! I felt, why not? what is wrong in that? If one chants Rama Rama Rama, with utmost fervor to have their objects of desires such as:

Please get my son or daughter married to a good family, Please bless me with a good job, please help me with my loans, please give me powers to become the richest person on earth, make me powerful, etc...

I feel, why not? I felt, it is absolutely ok to do japam with desires. But Lets not also forget that the same Japam is capable of tuning the performer's mind as well and bring him to the true spirit of Self and beyond the material desires.

It is better to do Japam with desires that not even do at all.

It is said that even Kamsa attained Krishna by the way of constant remembrance of Krishna out of fear! Such being so, it is fully ok to pray with desires.

There is one very beautiful story as told by some sage! There was one great robber, who was very intelligent and was capable of stealing things without being noticed by anybody. One day, during mid night, he entered a house and after finishing his job, his legs hit some vessels by mistake which fell and the owners awoke and became cautious, and began to shout "thief, thief" and woke his neighbors as well and the entire village was awoke and all of them went in search of this robber.

Meanwhile, this robber, quietly made his escape and he had reached the boundaries of the village, and he was too tired and was sure of being caught of he ran further. Because he had not shaved for some months, he had good beard. His intelligence prompted him to sit under a peepul tree and began enacting as a sadhu with his eyes closed and he sat down in padmasana.

The villagers who came chasing the thief, and could not trace him anymore, while they were returning, the villagers were surprised to see a new Sadhu in their village and the thief being intelligent, his enacting of a Sadhu was so perfect that people felt peace in his stature and began to pay their respects to him.

Each day, the villagers began to take care of the thief Sadhu and brought to him good food and donations etc... The thief was immersed in the bliss of all this, he was telling to himself, wow, I am getting everything without even working! I am getting all jewels and food without even having to steal anybody. He was continuing like this for some time, sitting silently in front of the villagers posing as meditating, and one day it struck to him, and he pondered, just by being an artificial Sadhu, he got so much love and respects of the villagers, what if he were really a True Sadhu. He resolved himself that moment that he would strive to become a real Sadhu and engaged in rigorous Tapas and he eventually became a great Tapasvin.

That way, It is ok, to take some Nama and do Japa, with motives also. Don't all our Shlokas have also "Phala Shruti" "Benefits of chanting" in them? In the same way, it is a good sign if one has that blind faith over mantra, that it shall confer the performer his desires!

At least with such belief, let such a person commence, let us not stop such a person, in this spirit, is what i humbly felt! :)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 21, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
Udai, any method is basically fine if one is already acquainted with one. :)
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on November 21, 2011, 11:20:39 AM
Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!

Dear Nagraj ji,

Ok. But my point was that mere obtention/ selection of Manthra does not give the fruits. It depends on the commitment, devotion and HARDWORK ( if I can say so).
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 21, 2011, 11:30:09 AM
Dear Sreeswaroop ji,

Is not the desire to even obtain/selection of some nama or mantra itself a fruit? :) it itself is a blessing! a result of a blessing. Such thought occurring in ones mind in midst of all worldly thoughts, isn't itself a great blessing? Isn't that thought to even start doing a japa itself a great thing? Such thought is prompted only due to the blessings of the Lord!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on November 21, 2011, 11:37:28 AM
Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!

Dear Nagraj ji,

Further, the manthras have great effect. As the sadhaka evolves it purifies his mind towards Nishkama bhava.
He may or maynot  fulfil his desires but in practice the desires itself change in accordance with the evolvement.
The Phala sruthis are also intended to ' lead the cow to the shed'.

If the Tamo/ Rajo gunas in the sadhaka is so deep rooted, he may still hold on to his original desire. In that case he may achieve the desire and not the SELF like our great Tapaswins who are told to be in Heaven.

The use / benefit of Manthras are not challenged.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on November 21, 2011, 11:43:27 AM

Is not the desire to even obtain/selection of some nama or mantra itself a fruit? :) it itself is a blessing! a result of a blessing. Such thought occurring in ones mind in midst of all worldly thoughts, isn't itself a great blessing? Isn't that thought to even start doing a japa itself a great thing? Such thought is prompted only due to the blessings of the Lord!


Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!


Dear Nagraj ji,

I agree with you. But has one the right to have the fruit of his action?

Further there is difference in Nama japam and Manthra japam. Any one may do Nama japam according to his taste.

Mathru Devi ( Sri Ramakrishna) advised to do 15000 or 20000 nama japas daily so as to keep one's mind steady. She affirmed that it was truth.  Any body can do that.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 21, 2011, 11:56:30 AM
yes precisely Sreswaroop ji, The desire to commence a japa for fulfillment of ones desire transcends the same desire eventually! One cannot stay put in enjoyment of desires for ever.

And moreover, if a person is filled with Tamo/Rajo Gurna excessively, If such a person is so deep rooted in Tamo-Rajo Guna, a desire would not sprout in him to do some prayers or Japam in first place. That is the light of Satva Guna. That light grows and grows and as one does Japa even out of ignorance, his tamo guna and rajo guna reduces involuntarily due to the effects of the Sadhana even ignorantly!

Like Bhagavan's words, whether or not one does the Girivalam with faith or not, it leaves its effect on the person!
____________

To begin with it, a Sadhaka even if he begins with the belief that he has the right to enjoy the fruits of action. a child first begins to learn abcd... but eventually he would transcend that desire for the betterment of others. He would want to do service for others, desire to help others, he would pray for such desires so as to be helpful to others and enjoy the fruits. eventually he is lead to to that desirelessness.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on November 21, 2011, 12:03:48 PM
Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!

Dear Nagraj ji,

I think there is a mistake. A person deep rooted in Tamo/ Rajo gunas may do japam/ tapas for fulfilment of desires. There are a good number of examples in Puranas too.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 21, 2011, 12:08:17 PM
Dear all,

Sri Bhagavan says in AAMM :-  When I thought of Arunai (arunachala),  I was caught in
Your net, how can one ever escape the Grace, which is your net?

So mantras have their own potent power.  The pronounciation is important.  It should
have been initiated to you. And you should chant it in low voice with faith and sraddha,
i.e sincere interest.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 21, 2011, 12:15:05 PM
Dear all,

Mantras can be chanted both for fulfillment of worldly desires and also with no desire but
only for Peace. The puranas speak of characters who used mantras for winning the battles
for marrying a particular girl or even to get a child, and even to gain eight Siddhis.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 21, 2011, 12:18:00 PM
Dear Sreeswwaroop ji, Subramanian Sir,

What happened to all those people who did japam with Tao Guna is the Puranas? :) They all died eventually, they, in the sense, their ego had to die eventually.

All the Asuras represent the Ego. And all Asuras eventually merged with the Deity who killed them. All Asuras represent only the ego, the rajotamo guna

They are killed meant the killing of Ego. Ravana, Bhasmasura, Tarakasura, Mahishasura, all did great tapas and eventually got killed by the God. What really got killed is their EGO, they are eternal Atma and merged with the God.

Japam only does positive. No negative! it is sure guaranteed sadhana to reach the heart of the Lord. There is no doubt that the Tamo Rajo guna (ego) get killed and eventually.

The Mantra, or Nama, itsels is so powerful that even if one is insincere towards doing japama, The power of the Japam itself takes one further, it bestows the blessings of sincerity to the Sadhaka. No Doubt about this.

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 21, 2011, 04:05:37 PM
Dear Nagaraj,

Srimad Bhagavatam says that constant remembrance of Sri Krishna in one way or other
and attained Krishna Brahmam. Kamsa due to fear. Sisupala due to hate. Duryodhana
due to enmity and Hiranyakasipu due to anger.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 21, 2011, 04:33:16 PM
Dear Subramanian Sir,

I remembered the story of Ajamila from Bhagavatam, which is very interesting. It is a direct proof to the efficacy of the utterance of Nama of the Lord. The Name of Lord, whether uttered with a sense of hate or fear or out of distaste or even out of intention of disproving the Lord, it still has its efficacy. How can anyone forget the story of the great Tamil poet Kannadasan who was a declared atheist and when Karunanidhi gave him Bhagavad Gita and asked him to write everything that is wrong in the Gita and so that they can publish that book and circulate it among the masses. A. L. Muthiah (his real name) who started reading the Gita inorder to find all the loopholes in it, slowly started being trapped in the admiration of Love of Krishna and eventually he was completely captured and he renamed himself Kannadasan thereafter. Such is the Power of "Nama" of Lord.

Ajamila is a figure from the Puranas. The story of Ajamila is taken from Bhagavata Purana Canto 6.[1]

Ajamila was raised according to the Vedic regulations. He was a perfectly trained Brahmin and had a chaste and beautiful wife.
But one day, while he was out in the fields collecting flowers for worshipping the Lord, he happened to see a drunken sudra and a prostitute engaged in sexual embrace. Ajamila became bewildered and attracted; his mind becoming more and more attached to the prostitute. In Bhagavad-Gita it is said that if one contemplates sense objects, he becomes attached to them. Although Ajamila was a strict Brahmin he became helplessly entangled by seeing a man and woman engaged in sexual activity. Consequently he took this prostitute into his home as a maidservant. Inevitably, he became so entangled that he abandoned his family, wife and children and went off with the prostitute. Due to his illicit connection with the prostitute, he lost all his good qualities. He became a thief, a liar, a drunkard, even a murderer. He completely forgot about his original training as a Brahmin, and his whole life was ruined.

Engaging in sinful activities, Ajamila fell down from his position, and he begot many children through the prostitute. Even towards the end of his life, around the age of eighty, he was still begetting children. It is explained that while he was dying, which is a very fearful time, he began to call out to his pet child, whose name was Narayana. Narayana is another name of God or Krishna. At that time, the Yamadutas, the messengers of death, were coming. They were tying up the subtle body of Ajamila and preparing to take him to be punished by Yamaraja, the lord of death. At the same time, because he happened to be speaking the holy name of the Lord Narayana, the beautiful Visnudutas, the messengers of Krishna, also arrived there. They checked the activities of the Yamadutas, refusing to allow them to take Ajamila for punishment. The Yamadutas were bewildered. "Why are these effulgent and beautiful personalities checking our action? It's our duty to take sinful men to Yamaraja for punishment; then they are awarded another material body for the next life so that they can get the result of their sinful activity." There was a discussion between the Yamadutas and the Visnudutas. The conclusion was that although Ajamila was sinful throughout his life and gave up his religious life, his wife and children and begot children through a prostitute, he nevertheless was purified from all these sins because at the last moment he chanted the holy name of Krishna, Narayana. If this single act of the utterance of a four-syllable word Narayana can make such a difference to life after death, what larger worlds of fullness and majesty he may not conquer by really leading a noble life of Dharma in the memory of the Lord? -- so thought Ajamila. And that very moment he renounced everything to which he was attached, went to Benares and engaged himself in austerities and meditation and in due time reached the abode of the Lord. It is noteworthy that a wrongdoer is given a chance to correct himself and thereafter lead a virtuous life before attaining salvation. It is not as if the Lord gives him a boon because he uttered the Lord's name when death was nearing him. It was the resultant of his previous good deeds that helped him to remember who he was and then get back to his previous position. Yet he had to struggle again and do enough penance before he could get salvation.

(Source: Wikipedia)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Hari on November 23, 2011, 05:58:53 PM
What is Guru mantra? Is the the mantra that your Guru has given to you or the mantra which praises the name of the Guru (like Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya)?
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 23, 2011, 06:46:42 PM
Guru Mantra, is that mantra which attributes to the Guru. Ashtakshari Mantra is attributed to Narayana. Panchakshari Mantra is attributed to Shiva. PanchaDasakshari Mantra is attributed to Sri Vidya and so on...

Attributes are nothing but Paths, which take you acorss the ocean of Samsara. Here when we refer to "Guru" Mantra or "Shiva Panchakshari Mantra" or "Vishnu Ashtakshari Mantra", etc... it does not really refer to the form of that deity. It means, through that form, be it Vishnu, or Shiva, or Devi, you are made to see that Ultimate Formless Self, which is yourself.

Mantra Sadhana, Japa Sadhana is that constant repetation and contemplation of that deity, by which the Mind Ekagram (Oneness of Mind, Concentration) is acheived.

That Mantra, what ever it is, is the refernece or the address of the destination. That address points to ones own self. Guru Mantra, what ever it is, leads to a point where You are yourself that Guru, whom you adored and respected and sought his blessings and upadesa and Mantra Upadesa from.

Tat Tvam Asi is the Address.

Guru Mantra, Shiva Mantra, Vishnu Mantra, Devi mantra  -  All represents the Self.

Guru(remover of avidya Ignorance - Self), Shiva (All Auspiciousness - Self), Vishnu (Which is all pervading - Self), Devi(Shakti - Energy, as "I-I" - Self) - These are all just another names of Self or Atma.

Bhagavan Ramanar allowed the use of Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya by everybody. Any body is free to take it as a Mantra Upadesa, Arunachala, Arunachala Ramana, Rama, Hare Rama, etc... These are few mantras which one is already eligible to use for mantra Japa, and one is by default give Dheeksha for few such select Mantras.

Certain other mantras require iniciation by a Guru. They are given based on the inclination of the Sadhaka.

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Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 24, 2011, 06:55:20 AM
Dear Nagaraj,

Guru Mantra reminds me of two mantras, indicated by Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni and further
elaborated by Kapali Sastri in his Sanskrit commentary for Sri Ramana Gita. ( English translation
by Sankaranarayanan. There two mantras have been indicated to invoke Sri Bhagavan.s
Grace and bkessings.  CAUTION:- These must be initiated by another Bhagavan devotee,
who has been initiated and who has been regularly chanting.

Om Vachatbhuve Namah :

(Salutations to the Effulgence)

Om Saravanabhava :

(This is also used in Skanda Upasana)


Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Nagaraj on November 24, 2011, 08:50:50 AM
Dear Subramanian Sir,

"Om Vachatbhuve Namah" reminds me of the essence of Gayatri Mantra. And, Gayatri Mantram in turn reminded me of a story as told by Bhagavan which foretells the importance of Initiation. Bhagavan once said "What is Gayatri? It really means ‘Let me concentrate on That which illumines all’

A devotee asked, “Can anyone get any benefit by repeating sacred syllables (mantras) picked up casually?” Sri Bhagavan replied, “No. He must be competent and initiated in such mantras.” To illustrate this he told the following story.

A KING VISITED his minister in his residence. There he was told that the minister was engaged in repetition of sacred syllables (japa). The king waited for him and, on meeting him, asked what the japa was. The minister said that it was the holiest of all, Gayatri. The king desired to be initiated by the minister but the minister confessed his inability to initiate him. Therefore the king learned it from someone else, and meeting the minister later he repeated the Gayatri and wanted to know if it was right. The minister said that the mantra was correct, but it was not proper for him to say it. When pressed for an explanation the minister called to a page close by and ordered him to take hold of the king. The order was not obeyed. The order was often repeated, and still not obeyed. The king flew into a rage and ordered the same man to hold the minister, and it was immediately done. The minister laughed and said that the incident was the explanation required by the king. “How?” asked the king. The minister replied, “The order was the same and the executor also, but the authority was different. When I ordered, the effect was nil whereas, when you ordered, there was immediate effect. Similarly with mantras.”

(Stories as told by Bhagavan)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Anand on November 26, 2011, 11:20:41 AM
dear all ,
I am sure Subramanian Sir will agree and bless us all in this forum for using the below mantras .
Om Vachatbhuve Namah :
(Salutations to the Effulgence)
Om Saravanabhava :
(This is also used in Skanda Upasana)
Both the criteria mentioned by Sir can be expected to have been   fulfilled.
CAUTION:- These must be initiated by another Bhagavan devotee(Subramanian Sir has indirectly initiated us all ) ,who has been initiated (The fact that Subramanian Sir is mentioning ,means we can expect him to be initiated) and who has been regularly chanting (Knowing Subramanian Sir we can expect him to be regularly chanting.
Subramanian Sir :- forgive me for the impetousity but we all need your blessing.
Regards,
Anand  Sundaram.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Hari on January 14, 2012, 08:56:24 PM
Can I chant "Om namo Bhagavate Jai Ramanaya" instead "Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya"?
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on January 15, 2012, 03:54:24 PM
Dear ramana,

No problem. But the first method is in vogue in many Ramana devotees.


Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on January 16, 2012, 08:11:50 PM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Dear ramana1359 & Subramanianji,

1. To my humble knowledge "Jai" is not appropriate since "namo" is there.

2. Basis of chanting mantras is FAITH. Why try to change it?  What is the purpose?

3. If  one is making new ones, it is OK. But what is the authority? There are already crores of them given through the great   SEERS..

4. Finally if one is capable of making a new mantra, such question will not arise.

Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on January 17, 2012, 01:01:34 PM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Dear srkudai,

1. That is OK, if you are doing it in Advaita. But for those who are not capable of such a state there is another meaning for the word 'Namo' - I bow to you  /  my salutations to you  Bhagavan.

2. If 'Sri' is dropped why retain 'Bhagavan'?

Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Sreeswaroop on January 18, 2012, 08:35:41 AM
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Dear srkudai,

Thanks. Further as you have written earlier there are mantras with a good number of syllables. Even though they are used for specific purposes, they help us to go to deep meditation too.
Ex:- Shodasi (28 syllables); Maha Ganapathy (34); Sri Syama (97); Maha Varahi (112) etc..
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on January 19, 2012, 07:47:23 PM

The mantra Arunachala Siva has been initiated by Sri Bhagavan for all of us. Just keep telling throughout the day, whenever time is there,
even one minute time. No counting necessary. No fixed rule. I used to tell even while lying in bed and even before bath in the morning.
Muruganar said: O Master! Even if I forget myself, my tongue should utter your name. (Tiruchuzhiyal Padigam, Sri Ramana Sannidhi
Murai.)

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Hari on May 14, 2012, 09:04:40 PM
Nama Japa is repeating the Name of God. But what is more proper repeating? What I mean? For example:

1. Om namah Shivaya or just 'Shiva, Shiva, Shiva'
2. Sri Ram jai Ram jai jai Ram or only "Rama, Rama, Rama"
and so on
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 15, 2012, 04:55:01 PM
Dear ramana,

Any mantra is okay. But longer ones, you may stumble while repeating. That way
Rama, Rama or Siva, Siva is easier to repeat.

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: sanjaya_ganesh on May 15, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
Friends

I have heard Kavya Kanta Muni used to complete vows like completing 5 Crore Panchakshari etc. and as we all know he is a great great Mantra Sadhak when he met Bhagawan. My question is - does counting help in any way to control the mind or prevent it from wavering - in that sense - not in the sense of keeping accounts :). Any advice on that please?

I found that keeping a count actually prevents the mind from sleeping / switching off hearing the same mantra repeated. Does the counting help in keeping tamasic forces at bay?

-Sanjay
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 16, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
Dear ramana,

Normally counting is done while chanting mantras by fingers or telling beads. Initially yes, it shall divert your mind from chanting
to counting. But in due course, it will stabilize without distraction.

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on May 16, 2012, 07:44:10 PM
Dear ramana,

Mantras like Gayatri, Sri Vidya mantras need initiation. But simple names like Rama, Rama, Siva, Siva, Muruga, Muruga -
can be chanted by anyone.

Arunachala Siva.   
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Hari on August 27, 2012, 01:58:27 PM
Is it right to chant these mantras like that?

Om namah Shivay (not Shivaya)
Om namo Naray'na (not Narayana)

I ask because I have noticed that in some songs these mantras are read like that.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Subramanian.R on August 27, 2012, 02:19:46 PM
Dear Hari,

These two are also powerful mantras which need initiation. Panckaksharam and Ashtaksharam are the names for this.
Mere chanting Siva or Narayana do not require initiation.

Arunachala Siva.
Title: Re: Mantras
Post by: Hari on August 11, 2013, 03:29:59 AM
Introduction to Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra

The great mantra dedicated to Shiva as Mrityunjaya is found in the Rig Veda.  It is called the Maha Mrityunjaya mantra, the Great Death-Conquering mantra. It is a mantra that has many names and forms. It is called the Rudra mantra, referring to the furious aspect of Shiva; the Tryambakam mantra, alluding to Shiva's three eyes; and its is sometimes known as the Mrita-Sanjivini mantra because it is a component of the "life-restoring" practice given to the primordial sage Shukra after he had completed an exhausting period of austerity. The Maha Mrityunjaya mantra is hailed by the sages as the heart of the Veda. Along with the Gayatri mantra it holds the highest place among the many mantras used for contemplation and meditation.

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OM. Tryambakam yajamahe
Sugandhim pushti-vardhanam
Urvarukamiva bandhanan
Mrityor mukshiya mamritat