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Ramana Maharshi => The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi => Topic started by: Subramanian.R on November 23, 2009, 05:55:18 PM

Title: Masters in invisible form
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 23, 2009, 05:55:18 PM
Once a Theosophist once asked Bhagavan Ramana:

"They say the Masters (as per Theosophy) exist in an invisible
form.  How is one to see them?"

Bhagavan:  How can you see those who are invisible?

Visitor:  By Jnana

Bhagavan:  For a Jnani there is no "Other".

An ashramite once said to Bhagavan:  "You say that the world
is an illusion, whereas we don't say so.  Is this not the only
difference between us?"

Bhagavan:  Not at all.  All that we say is that the only Truth is
the Atma and that the world is only Atma.  By saying that the
World, Self and Iswara are Truth, you are apportioning only
one-third of the Truth to Iswara!

(Source: Ramana Leela by Oruganti Venkata Krishnayya, (Sri
Krishna Bhikshu.) )

Arunachala Siva. 
Title: Re: Masters in invisible form
Post by: Chuck Cliff on November 24, 2009, 12:57:12 AM
Osborne related the same story in a slightly different fashion (cribbing perhaps from Ramana Leela..?)
Quote
A Theosophist asks whether Sri Bhagavan approves of the search for invisible Masters and he retorts with swift wit,
“If they are invisible how can you see them?”
“In consciousness,” the Theosophist replies, and then comes the real answer,
“In consciousness there are no others.”
The poor theosophist should have taken the first reply while he was ahead.

Indeed, this is the crux of the paradox that religion, useful as it can be, leaves the believer -- the believer, of necessity, must think of God as Other.  On the other hand, since God must Be All (as infinite all powerful all knowing, bla, bla) how can there be anything beside God to think of God as other?
Title: Re: Masters in invisible form
Post by: Subramanian.R on November 24, 2009, 03:59:46 PM
Yes.  Multiplicity comes only for Ajnani, the ignorant.  The
Jnani sees only unity.  Bhagavan Ramana says in Who am I?

What is Real is only Swarupam.  The world, the jiva and the
Iswara are all imaginations like silver in the oyster shell.

Then He says the following:  (so that the people like theosophists would not misunderstand Him!)

Swarupam alone is the world.  Swarupam is Jeeva, the individual
soul.  Swarupam is Iswara.  All are Siva-Swarupam!

Jesus Christ has said:  I and my Father are one and the same.

Arunachala Siva.