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Ramana Maharshi => The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi => Topic started by: srkudai on July 13, 2009, 06:09:40 PM

Title: Realization through meditation
Post by: srkudai on July 13, 2009, 06:09:40 PM
That's non-sense.
Realization is always through Self - Knowledge.
Meditation helps purify the mind and make it ready for Self knowledge.
Realization is always through Self - Knowledge. no karma can get it.
when one has self knowledge but is not able to own it up, live it... then one needs meditation, japa and other practices.
Title: Re: Realization through meditation
Post by: matthias on July 14, 2009, 11:16:17 AM
you think so?

meditaiton was never a hindrance for realization, but it is also not neccessary..

same with self - knowledge...to know who you are, on a mental level, is not a hindrance but also not necessary...

but self knowledge in the sense of realization, you see when we use this term in such a matter then there is no discussion and no need for saying this is non sense, this is preliminary, this is all that is necessary etc...

because such distinctions do not exist in realization

but I know that you meant it the same way and you just put some light on another facett of the topic...

love matthias
Title: Re: Realization through meditation
Post by: Subramanian.R on July 14, 2009, 06:27:51 PM
Meditation, japa, tapas, chanting of names of gods, karma without
desiring the fruits, raja yoga, simple devotion to god outside in a
temple or home altar, are all for Chittasuddhi.  We are removing
the thorns and gravel on the path, for the Self to come within us,
or for us to go to the Guru's seat.  Bhagavan Ramana sings in
AAMM, Kutram aruthu enai kunamai paravi.....  O Arunachala, snap
my misdeeds, sins etc., and make me a character-ful person, for
the Self to stay within.

Arunachala Siva.